Endgame: Did I just AGREE with Omid Scobie?!

[@daftirishmarej1827]

Prince/King Charles had just lost his mother. Imagine having to keep things together in public in that situation. I'm sure I would have done worse

[@elliegreen872]

He was grieving and taking on a huge burden as constitutional head of many nations, a figurehead for millions of people, an example of all that’s right and proper

[@eilisnugent]

Exactly. You can't schedule your first throws of grief to be behind closed doors.

[@DONUTBUZZCUT]

This was not a bad moment for The King it makes him look human!

[@RayneSaltair]

Oh OK. I always questioned that situation, cause it makes him look really childish. Did not know he'd just lost QE2.

[@ToniT-to9rr]

Thank you! I don't think I'd be perfectly calm in public 24/7 if I'd just lost my parent.

[@StrongopinionsRus]

I hate to sound like I'm defending Andrew, but he is not a pedophile-a pedo is someone involved with pre-pubescent children. No one has accused him of that.

[@dhjdmba5684]

I agree. Even the extortioner acknowledges she was 17 and she was 17 in this picture. If the outrage is over the friendship where is the call for Bill Clinton to leave public life. Although I do believe Andrew is a huge tool then blame and hate him for that.

[@l.h.2543]

Stop throwing around the term “pedophile”. It cheapens the accusation. A pedophile is some one sexually attracted to prepubescent children. Andrew had sex with a prostitute above the age of consent. Reprehensible? Yes. Illegal? No.

[@cathmay6429]

This was a person who was flying around the world, by her own admissions, a ‘working girl’, who had no trouble entering a nightclub in London, drinks at the bar, dressing in adult fashion style, who supposedly offered her services. To say she was forced is just stupid. Her motivation was the lifestyle and the money. She herself procured other girls for the racket. She herself has admitted this….sometimes.

[@lornarettig3215]

I am surprised that people made such a fuss about a leaky pen. The King’s 70+ years of a life well lived is a far better measure of his competence. The king has consistently shown himself to be a thoughtful and intelligent man who cares about British and Commonwealth people.

[@gilliantovey1014]

I’m not surprised he was a bit miffed over the leaking pen as he was signing a document of historical significance. But that was all he was, a bit miffed. He wasn’t in a towering rage nor was he blaming anyone in particular, he was just irked about a leaky pen. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill

[@kct9003]

I find myself cutting Charles some slack during the early days of his reign. His mother just died. He was sad. He was mourning. And yet, he had to go out into public and ceremoniously take over her job. That would be daunting. I remember that after my mother died, I just wanted to hide away in sadness for days. After watching Charles having to perform in public after such a loss, I felt so sorry for him.

[@sidneybales9062]

I will be honest. I would have launched that leaky pen across the room if it had dripped ink all over my hand.

[@katemyer1955]

Prince William once said “no one longs for the day they will become King or Queen because it means that someone we love very much has just died.” Ugh. For all of their fancy clothes, sparkly jewelry, golden carriages- they are just people. They close their eyes alone with their thoughts at night like everyone else. They mourn when their parents die. For all of Harry’s complaining that the royals never show emotion, he sure as hell excoriates his father for the tiniest glimpse of emotional turmoil.

[@user-ut4ud8tb6l]

The stress must have been at that time great .

[@user-ut4ud8tb6l]

Also I wonder how much sleep he had in the last 48 hours

[@retrogradepink]

Totally agree, and also, someone should have checked the pen before hand!

[@caroleugis5155]

I think with the pen incident we have to remember that he had not really had the chance to properly mourn the loss of his mother. Grief shows in many forms.

[@arvie89]

I agree with you 💯. I believe people forget that the royals family have emotions and bleed like us common folks. I am so surprised that they can’t give them a period of time to grieve.

[@LouiseDay-bd4qi]

Also the document he was signing was very important..having said that I can't remember what it was!! But it was something constitutional so a leaky or not working pen would throw you off

[@elliegreen872]

Totally, agree, blots on the letter of ascension to the throne would have been awful, not surprised he was stressed.

[@fabulousnewt770]

And he was given that ridiculously small table with the ink wells in the way. I would have been pissed off too.

[@Static_Guard]

It is not like PC kicked a puppy for gosh sakes...he showed anger at a pen that made a huge mess. Not a big deal at all.

[@HarrietCraig323]

Of all the ridiculous words and actions of the Harkles, their desire to retain Frogmore under the circumstances is one of the MOST ridiculous.

[@run4cmt]

I am quitting my job but I want the perks and pay of still working the job is what that says. They are an entitled pair.

[@TefiTheWaterGipsy]

​@run4cmt certainly, I'll contact HR for you, would you like a massive salary hike and pick of the directors' car pool? We'll pay your taxes for you too. They've been warned all the way along if you do a, then b will happen. They did a, and b happened and he went waagh, waagh, waagh. Then it starts again. He doesn't think the threats will be carried through. You'd think they'd get it by now.

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

They wanted to keep that gigantic house empty for what, 51 weeks a year? Just in case they decided to show up. Such amazing environmentalists. 🙄

[@lizziestevenson1908]

Also, we'll be close enough to know what's going on as we've got People Magazine right here on speed dial. Ehh, NAW!!!

[@lynettefinnigan9540]

Why retain the home when they refuse to live in UK, and maintaining an empty house for Harry to pop into once or twice a year is a total waste, when as he's proven, he can just stay in a hotel like everyone else in the world!!

[@someamericanfanofQE2]

I saw the pen thing at the time, and I honestly felt like people blew it out of proportion. He was annoyed, but I saw a tired 70-something who had just lost his mum. He kept up a schedule of activities that I was worn out simply trying to follow in the news. Better to show frustration on a pen than to routinely drive your staff to tears...

[@Cynthia-nm6tg]

I totally agree !!! I watched all the reports regarding the pen incident. I kept thinking I missed something and was annoyed there was nothing to see. No freaking out, no bad language or melt downs as was reported.

[@jenniferjones-ei8rg]

I agree with you both completely. How unkind the media was to spin out such a trivial incident under such circumstances. It was his way of venting strong emotion. If the King had burst into tears instead, the media would have been sympathetic (although probably gleeful). I think KC3 is doing a great job and often shows humour and charm and has been well trained by his wonderful mother.

[@missanne2908]

As loathe as I am to defend Prince Andrew, there are a couple of facts that may point as to why some members of the royal family seem to be lenient with him. First, Virginia Giuffre was of the age of consent in Britain when the events of the law suit occurred, so it was not a matter of pedophilia. Second, Andrew agreed not to fight the law suit but to settle instead because the law suit would detract from his mother's platinum jubilee. As to Royal Lodge - it is said that Andrew has not been able to keep up with the repairs and the place is falling apart. Charles could renovate the property and generate income by renting it out. That is why Charles wants Andrew in a smaller property like Frogmore Cottage.

[@Claireanlite]

Also for security. KC has to pay for Andrews security because of the location on the estate. Frogmore is in the security area. Harry took Netflix filming within that area and breached everyone's privacy and security. I don't think any of them wanted to be out on the estate with Harry and Meghan showing up with Cameras.

[@sidneybales9062]

Would the rent be Andrew's or KC? Also. It is my understanding that Andrew's relationship started because Sarah borrowed a substantial amount of money from Epstein. I heard (FWIW) Andrew was negotiating that payment. I am willing to cut Andrew a bit of a break because Guiffre has proven to not be very reliable by "forgetting" who was were and what she did. Andrew IS a ponce though.

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

Everyone forgets that's settlements do not presume guilt. They mean it's cheaper financially and publicly to have them end there and not go to trial.

[@Claireanlite]

@@LizRealGirlBeauty also in the US what Andrew did was Statutory Rape. The same as if a 18 year old had sex with a 17 year old. I am in no way trying to minimize Andrew's behavior. It's just that a pedophile is a person who is attracted to or abused PREPubescent children. Not trying to minimize but context to a 5, 8 or ten year olds is horrific and in my mind and the law not quite the same.

[@TheDooskinCO]

@@LizRealGirlBeauty That is correct! Randy Andy was never convicted of anything, and Virginia has been caught in many lies.

[@thepunpolice11]

I think the leaky pen is over blown. Not only was he mourning he was exhausted. A lot of the public thought it made him human.

[@gilliantovey1014]

Given his age I’m not surprised he was exhausted, it really was a huge fuss about very little

[@cathmay6429]

@@gilliantovey1014 And he was not even at home in England…he had, had to travel to Northern Ireland. I’m sure by this third day he was sleep deprived and weary and very emotional. But he was there doing what was expected of him…DUTY. So many PERFECT people feel they can judge him wanting, they need to read the bible.

[@tracynolan7135]

Not a fan of Prince Andrew, yet, as a survivor of child molestation, I need to speak up! Once you're the victim for as many years as I was, it's not hard to pick out liars, actual victims & abusers! Your gut really does tell you. Virginia was 18, worked for Epstein of her own free will & later admitted she lied about Prince Andrew. The photo had been doctored & the original is nowhere to be found! How convenient! It was an attempt to blackmail Andrew! The difference between Andrew & Harry is simple: Andrew was accused & never found guilty; Harry walked away, bashed his family & profited from his lies! The British Tax Payers & King Charles paid for the renovations on Frogmore. The real reason for KC wanting PA out of the Royal Lodge is that PA can't afford the upkeep on it & because of it's size, KC wants to use it for visiting Diplomats. PA is still a member of the RF & is allowed to live on the Grounds of Windsor! Harry disowned the RF & chose to distance himself from them. KC & the late Queen have offered to allow him to stay on the grounds, yet, H & MM have refused unless it's in the Castle. Even PW & his family is not allowed by protocol to stay in the same residence as the King!

[@LouisaWatt]

Yeah, I’ve got my own history of abuse and I have my doubts about the allegations against PA. He’s taken his demotions on the chin without flipping out like Harry has, and the only events he attends are family gatherings, like funerals. People are expecting unreasonably punitive treatment of PA when there’s not enough evidence.

[@lynettefinnigan9540]

Also, as a child of sexual abuse (from 8yrs old by an uncle), it is a different way that I see Andrew, the woman was 17, and at that age, most girls are having sex...she had been living on the streets before Epstein took her in (and he may well be the predator of young women) but Andrew was a young good-looking man at the time, and the photos of Virginia Guthrie with her arms around Andrew, did not look like an innocent girl being forced to have sex with him!!! She was just well trained in blackmail by Epstein, and I still think it's dodgey that she was going to be charged, but walked away Scott-free by pointing the finger.

[@bernettewhitehead8653]

Yes yes well said 👏 👍 🇬🇧

[@arsewell]

I agree 100%

[@barbaraallen435]

Scobie lies again it wasn't a vistors book ,it was a constitutional document .

[@rachmunshine9474]

Maybe that one wasn’t a lie. Maybe he’s just stupid. 😂

[@hils3066]

The pen thing - this just shows that KC3 is human. He’s grieving, stressed & easily annoyed as a result. We don’t know exactly what was going on behind the scenes, but I’m sure he was under immense stress. I bet if H had behaved like this, Amid would be all sympathy! And I don’t believe he was overwhelmed by any of his new role - he had watched his mother doing it for years and has had his own work to do for years. Mad.

[@andrearoyd2942]

He was signing historical documents, he had the right to be upset

[@hils3066]

@@andrearoyd2942 Precisely. The moment itself must’ve been so overwhelming, not to mention all of the other emotions he must have been feeling

[@janescott4574]

The lease was up, it wasn’t renewed, big difference in what Scobie tries to infer.

[@fibanocci314]

Caner here to see if anyone else brought this up. Thank you. Their lease was up for renewal, they hadn't been there in I think two years? and they had (recently and repeatedly) complained that they didn't like it, that it was a sign of disrespect that they had been given it, etc. Absolutely no reason to keep it in their name when other people could use it doing the work.

[@fibanocci314]

Came*

[@juneinnbarford3554]

Endgame is pure conjecture

[@jlennon1779]

... through a very biased lens.

[@someamericanfanofQE2]

Charles has never been one I've cared for a great deal, but I will admit he is competent. If Omid is going so hard at him over a pen, it suggests he's really scrambling for something to criticize. And what's wrong with a scaled down coronation? Good grief, Omid.

[@sharonwelsh8907]

I'm actually shocked about your attitude to Andrew. He's never been charged with anything and VG was of age when she met him. Andrew was made a scapegoat during the whole thing, but its now been shown that VG was lying and that she is being sued for trafficking too. While his friendship with THAT MAN and his total attitude during the interview was disgusting are we to charge someone with little to no evidence, and hang drawn and quarter him because of that friendship. I'm sorry but I believe in innocence till proven guilty and will not condemn him on stories. Yes keep him out of the day to day life of the Royal family but guilty by social media is a NO from me

[@dot8788]

Totally agree! And he IS still apart of their family (whether they like it or not). He hasn’t hurt them personally, at least not in the way Prince Cheeto has.

[@fibanocci314]

We also don't know he had any idea anyone he slept with could be a victim of human trafficking. Giuffre's own telling of the story indicates she flirted with him (at the direction of Ghislaine) and that she didn't give any indication of unwillingness at any point. He's obviously both very stuck on himself/self-absorbed to the point of not paying much attention to others and not the sharpest tool in the shed. Are we to believe he somehow picked up on subliminal messages that the girl(s) flirting with him weren't actually attracted to him? Is that something he SHOULD be looking for? Yeah, probably. Is he criminally liable for not questioning every person he hooks up with? Questionable at best. I'll grant that he's an idiot with bad taste in friends and iffy morals, but I'm gonna need more information before I condemn him totally as a criminal, especially a pedo-file considering none of the claims against him specifically involve children.

[@denisebennett3144]

More like the end of Omid Scobie.

[@cocop5058]

I don’t care for Andrew at all, but he has never been indicted for any crime, nor has he ever been judged guilty in a court of law. So, as much as I may find him repellant, he’s legally and technically innocent, whether I like it or not. He’s been judged guilty in the court of public opinion, sure, but isn’t that a slippery slope to embrace? Do we punish people based on what the public believes without giving the accused a fair hearing? I can’t agree with that, but again, JMO. In addition, if he did in fact have sexual relations with Virginia Guiffre (there’s no proof that he did), it was not illegal for him to do so as she was well within the age of consent in both NYC and London. So, again, repellent behavior, yes, absolutely, but not illegal.

[@jlennon1779]

Agree wholeheartedly with the "public opinion slippery slope" portion of your comment.

[@dhjdmba5684]

And I’m not sure why it was repellent. She admitted consent. She was of age. Hate him because he is a complete tool and feel sorry for him because his mom forced him to settle with Giuffre (for less than $1m according to Tina Brown) but if everyone is going to treat him as a pariah because he was a FOE - well that’s a big list. Let’s call them all out starting with bill Clinton.

[@thepunpolice11]

The lease at Frogmore was expiring and it wasn't renewed. The Queen knew what she was doing. Everyone else got decades long leases. Harry and Meghan were given a 2 year lease with 1 year renewals. The Queen was taking care of the maintenance for Frogmore and the grounds because H&M weren't. Also Frogmore is very close to where William and Catherine live and they didn't want them anywhere near them.

[@laurasalo6160]

The King also just lost his beloved mother and im sure really wanted everything to go well. I think we can cut him a break.

[@jewelt8294]

It is not uncommon for a child to have a totally different character from their parents…Like my mum is an extrovert while I am an introvert…We are not expecting King Charles to replace Queen Elizabeth are we?

[@kathyevans2968]

When it came to the pen, I admired that King Charles wanted to sentimentally use the pen that his sons gifted him, despite its functional design being temperamental. I understood his frustration with the pressure he was under emotionally and signing an historically important document that will be examined forever. He’s human, was under pressure along with grief and has openly laughed about it since many times which says more about his character! This just showed how nasty the author was, picking on something petty & devoid of empathy or relevant details, as unable to find a better example to convince us of his anti monarchy narrative . You’re so right about editing to sway an opinion!

[@luxpursuits]

This is not KC's first rodeo... he should've showed more restrain. KC is always like this.

[@cloudybeforerain7134]

@@luxpursuits no he isn’t.

[@Nookiebear7769]

@@luxpursuitshis dealings with unforgivable Harry is a picture of his Herculean restraint (with a t)

[@jacquelinekirk5601]

They will insist on signing these historical documents with the historically significant pen! You have the right idea in the USA. Your president signs with a dozen modern pens and hands them out as a gift to those present. A much better idea.

[@jacquelinekirk5601]

@@luxpursuitsI agree. Watching him over the years, he seems to have a tendency towards petulance which is now being glossed over. He should have shown more restraint. It was one of his first jobs as King. I would have expected him to be on his best behaviour, not imitate his mother, but to make her proud.

[@amandam43793]

As someone who has experienced deep grief I can tell you that grief can cause irritability and can be expressed as anger at times. His mother just died, I think people need to realize that.

[@BackToNature123]

Not even the Queen's family would know if she felt that way about her red box. His blatant lies astound me

[@rachmunshine9474]

She spoken about how her father with teacher things about the things that came in the Redbox without specific details. But she was definitely his apprentice. If she relished anything about those boxes, besides the occasional interesting correspondence…. And whatever else…. It was probably memories of her father and trying to make him proud.

[@pamelagarza646]

I came here to comment about the King’s reaction to the leaking pen but I see many others (as well as Cheere) had the same thought I did….His beloved mother had died just days earlier and the burdens of his new responsibilities added to his raw grief. I’d never judge anyone harshly under those circumstances.

[@len6871]

Ams as said it was a constitutionele document.

[@KerrieAdams-gs8jb]

The first signing was a day or 2 after loosing not only his mother but the Sovereign. I cried for 2 straight days! The country didn’t care about the pen - it showed how sad and unhappy he was and we felt it too! Look at his first speech to the nation. It was so moving and sad.

[@fabulousnewt770]

Poor king had had to deal with stupidly small table and inkwells the day before also. The placing of those ink wells on that stupidly small table also made no account for the fact that William, who also had to sign, is left handed

[@sidneybales9062]

I wondered if that table had historic significance. It was so small for so large a document.

[@kerriethompson2073]

The diff between QEII and KCII is that Elizabeth was in Africa when her father died, so she had the chance to privately mourn the loss of father. She was pretty much the last person to know. She wasn’t without scrutiny from the press. Unlike KCIII had to publicly mourn his mom. I kind of feel for the guy.

[@veronikabrozova]

I also don’t think she was on live tv through every single procedural and ceremonial thing. I felt like it was a bit much that there was not a day when he wasn’t doing something public 😢

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

She didn't have the black attire that was appropriate with her either. That's why they started the protocol that everyone must travel with mourning clothes at all times, so that doesn't happen to anyone again.

[@rachmunshine9474]

@@LizRealGirlBeauty no but one of the valley is or a lady in waiting brought a black dress onto the plane and she was in one by the time she came off the plane once they got back to London. Her late majesty only had hours longer than her son had before she had to appear before everyone - albeit not on TV for another 18 months or so. But just however long it took them to fly back to London in 1952.

[@rachmunshine9474]

Valet 😂 not valley

[@ry.butterfly]

Has Omid ever heard of the straw that broke the camel's back? This poor man lost his mother, became the king LITERALLY the second she died, and now has to be the head of a monarchy, mourn his mother, and keep it together for his family and his country. I probably would have burst into tears or just had a breakdown if i was dealing with all of that stress and grief. Sometimes the little things are the things that make you snap. How lucky are we that we don't have cameras everywhere to capture every slip up or moment of emotional overwhelm we experience. Poor Charles. Omid is such a nasty person.

[@mikeantonio3163]

The leaking pen made him human. King Charles is an intelligent well read human being. His legacy is far reaching and without undermining our late Queen, is far more in touch with the world than she was! He must have been shattered rushing up and down the country.

[@grainnelambert881]

The man was grieving his mother and the king was trying his hardest....all in one person.

[@debbykennedylubbe3122]

I watch that episode and quite frankly he had just lost his mother and with everything else going on he was probably exhausted and concerned about how his reign would be received. Damn Omid and his stupid book!

[@ehilton96]

Don't worry, hardly anybody read it

[@debbykennedylubbe3122]

@@ehilton96 I agree. That man is blood awful

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

"KC3 is the worst man in the world because he won't use a malfunctioning pen." 🙄

[@debbykennedylubbe3122]

@@LizRealGirlBeauty That is a stupid thing to say considering it's a historical document!

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

@debbykennedylubbe3122 I was paraphrasing Scobie with the quotation marks. Hence the rolling of the eyes.

[@gloriasmess]

Agree with most of these comments. He had just lost his mother *and* the document he was signing was of historical significance. People will be able to see it for centuries to come. It was a busy time, a stressful time. He’d probably barely slept for weeks. I think I might have been frustrated with a faulty pen too.

[@valerieforbes8096]

Andrew was never charged with any crime. Innocent until proven guilty.

[@sidneybales9062]

Guiffre has proven to be unreliable.

[@dhjdmba5684]

I’m so glad to see people finally getting off the Giuffre train. She committed extortion. Philip was dying, the Q knew she had cancer, it was her jubilee and most importantly and least mentioned Meghan was on the witness list as having information regarding the relationship. Also according to Tina Brown who ought to know the Queen paid less than $1m which is what it would hav cost to minimally defend. And he went along with it and didn’t make a fuss. People may hate him for being a complete tool, which is deserved and fair, but he has never been a traitor like his nephew.

[@kp8177]

I always thought the grief and lack of sleep was the reason for the pen incident. The Japanese kept prisoners awake during the war as a form of torture.....hello every new mum!

[@mikeantonio3163]

I've always been curious as to why no high profile American didn't get the same "justice" as Andrew. The woman involved was a professional. She wasn't underage and her parents were reaping the rewards. It was over 25 years ago. We still don't know the story.

[@mimib95]

I have to agree. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like Andrew, he is a pompous arse who is no stranger to accepting gifts and freebies. Doesn’t make him a paedophlile.

[@texasgal07]

I can’t imagine having to be on the world’s stage, cameras watching my every move…and criticizing each movement…just hours/days after my beloved 96 yr old mother passed away. I just took KC behavior as him grieving an astronomical loss. IMHO

[@GoggyL29]

I was working at Staples years ago and this woman comes in looking for a guest book for her mother's funeral. I don't remember the conversation but I could tell she was hardly keeping it together. The next thing I know is she is weeping in my arms. Sometimes it's the littlest things that break us. A pen leaking or even someone being nice.

[@LouisaWatt]

The frogmore cottage issue is much simpler than Omid is describing. First, the lease expired and as tenants H&M had breached terms of contract by secretly bringing media onto Windsor castle grounds to take pictures of private property which would put other members of the family at risk. They could no longer be trusted on private royal grounds without supervision, which is probably why Harry refuses to stay when he’s invited: because he can’t roam freely with recording devices. Cheere, as a primary school teacher I think you’re supposed to reiterate certain things so that small children can grasp it. Omid is doing it because the premise of his entire book is tenuous and hangs on a few threads, so he has to keep rehashing those scraps to make them seem bigger than they are.

[@fibanocci314]

Also to have a book-sized manuscript instead of a pamphlet

[@sabsmcdabs7139]

That phone analogy is one of the worst I've heard. It doesn't even make sense. Totally scobie though lol

[@therealgigi_]

Yes King Charles III did come off as grumpy. But if you take into consideration all that he was dealing with on that day . He had just lost his mother. His son Harry , is threatening and acting like a fool, a loose cannon. The king had to go out into the public and shake hands, smile and he is actually a very empathetic man. He has not been afraid to show tears and feelings. On a day that he wanted everything to go perfectly. He was being compared to his mother and it would be impossible to match over 70 years of not putting a foot wrong. He was being himself, "blasted ink " I'd say I would have had a little melt down also. On such a simple thing to get right. Make sure the pens that they are paying hundreds of pounds for work😅😂. His memotions came out here. He was grieving and trying to hold it in. He is human.

[@allyanderson6755]

It is kinda funny that Endgame is indeed the last book Omid will sell 😂😂😂

[@zoorenard1101]

I also hear that the pen was special to him, it was gifted to him by his sons. He was indeed, very emotional at this point, after all he just lost his beloved mother and got catapulted into a major role. I would have been a bigger mess than he was, probably

[@user-me7by2jc3d]

Ignorant Omid and Co forget Monarchy is governance not a shop window display. Government work differenlty, need continuance, consistency, firm hand to steer the ship.

[@gonefishing167]

The poor man had just lost his mother. Perhaps a little leeway is understandable. Yes, it wasn’t s good look but keeping a smile on your face all the time must be difficult. Omid Scobie is now author ✍️👵🇦🇺

[@MicheleSayles-nt9vr]

Charles was frustrated at the pen. It's the first time he's signing as King, and things are not set up correctly, or something just goes flukey . I've had pens leak on my hand and it's a bother because it stains your hand. Give it a break.

[@raldogs78]

You are not fair about Andrew. He has not been found guilty of anything. He may be arrogant but that does not make him guilty

[@len6871]

He traveled 24/7 to honour his JUST deceiced mother, and to be received and announced as the new King through England, Schotland and Ireland..so plaeeeese. It was a bizare week. He did not have ONE moment to grieve. And still had to burry her at that time. No sleep for days. C'mon..you are all joking not?

[@HR-nl7fc]

In addition, he was probably still mourning his father. . . .and then there was the Harry debacle. Can we allow the man to be human?

[@naomiheal7062]

Not a fan of Andrew, however he has never been charged with anything. The only documents released with his name mentioned, were statements from 4 individuals 3 of which just said they saw him there and had been told by people what they were saying. So isn't that classed as hearsay? He paid that lady of as he was forced to by the family rather then go through a court case during the queens jubilee. Isnt she now being investigated for te same crime she has sued people for? Also uk age for sex is 16! In the eyes of the law even if they had a sexual relationship she was 17, so even if peope dont like it, he didn't break any laws.

[@sarahmurphy8030]

Also there are states in America that allow 14yr 15yr old to get married.

[@HR-nl7fc]

Never have been a fan of Andrew, either. Yet agree wholeheartedly.

[@fibanocci314]

She is being investigated. She was also forced to drop her suit against Alan Dershowitz (who I believe is the only other person she named by name) and admit that she made a mistake and had actually never had any contact with him.

[@CornbreadOracle]

Frogmore Cottage is over 5 thousand square feet. Even by US standards that’s a large home. Meghan talked like it was a pokey little cabin.

[@HR-nl7fc]

A shed, a hovel.

[@fibanocci314]

Wasn't it like seven houses they converted into one?

[@jackjames3190]

Brit lad from London here - I have to say The ink pen incident was not unfortunate at all - I know so many people who said that was when they warmed to Charles because it made him relatable - if people are too perfect Brits tend to get cynical and roll their eyes - that’s why markle went down like a lead balloon - she was projecting “I’m perfect, I’m flawless” and we were all “what’s she hiding?” I Now think she’d a proper psycho and I think Harry is a psychologically abused husband - Sadly that’s not a joke I’m genuinely worried about him. Pengate was also the moment I saw first hand how good camilla is for the king - I’ loved Diana and so camilla was always the enemy but now I can she - they were victims too - they loved each other in the 60s and weren’t allowed to marry so I’ve forgiven camilla and she has an amazing sense of humour. She’s good for the king and helps him do his job better. Scoby Pooh is an idiot writer - a one trick gossip girl who’s revealed far too much of his own ugly character in that toilet roll of a book ….😂

[@puffle_huff9400]

The tour was supposed to be visiting France and Germany but the french part of the trip got postponed due to riots happening in France at that time ( it had nothing to do with Charles, i think it was about the raising of the required age for retirement) but they went to France at a safer date

[@patricemiddleton9903]

Please consider his grief for his mother.

[@marylindolton9497]

Would not even be as patient as king charles after just losing my mother and having no time to grieve. In Britain the age if consent is sixteen love ti you and your family xxxxxx

[@StrongopinionsRus]

Again, hate to defend Andrew, but are we really suggesting we don’t want to see him going to church with his family?! Surely that’s the place for him!

[@MicheleSayles-nt9vr]

Does anyone question what Charles promised to his mother concerning Andrew? Does KC wonder what Andrew would do if he came down on him too hard? Another idiotic book? Andrew showed bad choice of associates but he's not convicted of any crime and he has been silent. Granted he should be invisable for the best. The pic is of a chic of 17. Today, basically it's not a crime nor if she was a willing participant. How did she get involved with epstein? Women's me too movement has lost it's power with too many crying wolf. I never followed the story of Epstein. Especially, since they hung Andrew out to dry and swept the other American big wigs under the rug, including President Clinton. Andrew does need to downsize but he has a lease, he does live there,,he's mostly invisible, and as long as he maintains it so the taxpayers don't, leave sleeping dogs lie. If he can't maintain it or wants to give the lease to a daughter he needs to move his butt out. He also needs to get a job or invest to have an income. Harry is KC son to deal with as he see's fit. He doesn't work for the crown. He doesn't live in the UK. And the Queen gave him Frogmore with the understanding of working for the monarchy. Charle's coronatio, he wanted to be not too extravagant because he realized the strife his subjects faced with inflation. People were worrying whether they could afford food or heat. At least he was aware of the problems at hand.

[@fibanocci314]

The entire deal with Jeffrey E is very fishy top to bottom. It might be worth looking into, but be warned you may never trust anyone with any money or power ever again.

[@Bluemoon_75]

Trump is not mentally competent either. He is also as mad as a hatter. Then there is the issue of his autocratic tendencies. Neither Biden or Trump should lead a country.

[@cocostone-nj1nk]

Autocratic tendencies- he wanted to become a dictator, for the first time in American history, the president (Trump) did not hand over the duties of responsibilities to the next president.. I live within an hour from DC. The shame of Jan 6 shall never be forgotten by those of us with common sense and pride for our country. Trump ruled with revenge and hatefulness for those opposed to him.

[@CMinorOp67]

24:00 “I spoke to a source close to the couple…” i.e., Harry and Meghan. He spoke to Harry and Meghan. 27:55: lol! Call me petty, but I love the fact there was a literal eviction notice nailed to the front door. I did not know about that. 😄

[@lornaackerman7022]

Agree so much! As for being evicted , that’s what happens to people who don’t pay their bills.

[@OctoberGirl16]

I don’t have anything positive to say about Andrew.. but privately no one can tell the RF they can’t still care for him as a brother/father/uncle.. even though he obviously should never be involved with the working monarchy again.

[@kerriethompson2073]

I will say this about Andrew. He was at least he was a true veteran and saw actual action in the Falklands unlike his idiot nephew who spent most of his military career in a bunker.

[@jlennon1779]

Sad so many concur with your and Cheere's harsh judgement on this. Andrew has shown himself to be a hard-working dedicated asset to the monarchy through many years. 🤷‍♂️

[@Kkat201]

@jlennon1779 Get a grip, Andrew was friends and parted with a convicted P file. Ask yourself who would do that . And I am sure he hung out with Epstin because if E fantastic personality 😂😂

[@cathmay6429]

@@Kkat201 well there is a long list of famous Americans who did just that and at least two of those Americans were Presidents, and not only past Persidents.

[@melkin3549]

​@@cathmay6429Virginia Guiffre couldn't name those powerful American 'clients' in case she ended up like Epstein. She went for the easy target of Andrew.

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

If Charles getting frustrated with malfunctioning pens the day and day after his mother died is the worst thing Scobie can find... Wow, that's reaching. He wasn't mad at the people, he was mad at an inanimate object.

[@michelle3952]

I would love a review of a Prince Philippe book. Fascinating life story! Fleeing Greece as a baby, institutionalized mother (wrongfully?), Nazi sisters, used as a pawn by Dickie Mountbatten?

[@cheeredenise]

We’ve gotten to the part where he is featured in the Mountbattens if you are following that book review!

[@michelle3952]

@@cheeredenise Yes, I do follow that and I enjoy it a lot.

[@thesubparty1]

Andrew Lownie is apparently going to be writing a Phillip book after he finishes his current project on Andrew & Fergie. Phillip had a fascinating & tragic childhood, which he managed to overcome and thrive after. Though I’m sure some of the personality complaints Harry has about him in Spare come from his very discombobulated childhood.

[@courtneymcgregor3417]

In all fairness, the man had still been grieving, end of story. Obie wan Scodobie would cry if his plastic surgery melted in the sun.

[@mikaelaolsen8835]

The pen thing. Why does anyone think it reflects badly on Charles? It reflects badly on the people who did not make sure to place properly working pens there on solemn occations. And any way, i behave in the same way with leaky pens and everyboy I know do too. I don't feel that reflects badly on me/us. But if doing a small thing twice totally reveals your forever unchanging core personality then Scobie has told us that Hawwy having said "P--ki", "R-- head" and worn that WWII costume means that Hawwy is an unchagable racist. The Andrew thing. You don't need to agree with Scobie on Andrew. Because had Andrew been banned, shunned and kicked out penniless and homeless, Scobie would have used that to show how nasty the royal family is."banned, exiled and humiliated, left without protection and for what!? Rumors!!! Andrew has not been convicted of anything and yet he is cruelly discarded. Exactly what they did to Hawwy! See what a nasty track record the royal family has!!!" So if you agree with Scobie now you would have to agree to the above scenario too. It would have been better for Andrew to have gone to court. Hardly any man gets convicted for what he was accused of. A non guilty verdict would have served him better even if no one believed him. I don't know what Scobie is on about. Andrew doesn"t have any royal duties. I would think it unusual and cruel if he would be banned from entering the church with the rest of the family even if he was found guilty and had served a prison sentence. In church with the family is the only time he is visible. We do live by " innocent until proven guilty". It would look nasty indeed if everybody in the family shunned Andrew without him even having been found guilty. And it would put is daughtets in a difficult situation. I thinjk Andrew is as banned as he can be under tge circumstances. You must have been too worn down by scobie's boring repwtitiveness to notice his sneake two facedness.

[@fibanocci314]

It does not follow that agreeing with Scobie on his interpretation of the current scenario regarding Andrew means she'd have to agree in a made-up, completely opposite scenario, that would be a different opinion for her to engage with possibly in a different way, but I agree with the rest of your comment.

[@ladybug3700]

I do think grief and exhaustion were a large factor. I understand that we expect better from a King, but he’s still a human. The little things can really be my biggest issues when I’m exhausted or emotionally drained. I’m willing to extend grace, because I know I need it during trying times. I live in a glass house, so I’m not tossing any stones. That’s just the category I’ve placed this incident in.

[@rumakingthatup]

I really didn't care about the pen incident. It's an historical document and someone laid the pen down instead of keeping it upright. Those types of pens can leak everywhere when they're laid flat. I guess we have different definitions of "temper tantrum" because verbalizing you're getting ink all over your fingers isn't mine. Now if he'd thrown the pen across the room it would be a different story.

[@rosemaryh.4105]

A book about Prince Andrew might reveal the supposed 3 day romp that he supposedly had on a yacht with the wife of the King's youngest son...They know each other. Even though she appeared to think he was just Queen Elizabeth 's assistant, lol...

[@tharris114]

There were a lot of people who didn't know about Saville!

[@gilliantovey1014]

So true. I didn’t like him very much, just felt he was creepy but I had no idea what he was up to

[@cheeredenise]

Absolutely! But now that you know, you should do all that’s in your power to distance the family from those kinds of associations.

[@MaraMorrigan]

Meghan Markle tends to repeat herself to make the same tired point much like Omid. Amazing how she is well known for her volatility, temper tantrums and her remarkable ability to constantly gravely misjudge social media and public opinion, but her creepy cheerleader portrays her as peerless perfection at every turn. Charles baring his teeth was a comedic moment referencing the previous pen situation - poking fun at himself for struggling with his emotions at this time. Comparison is the thief of joy and KC3 loves the red boxes.

[@suefinnegan6185]

Andrew is still a family member, the Queen was still his mother. Charles was thinking about a more affordable house for Andrew. Andrew could no longer afford the upkeep of the large house he was in. I don’t condone Andrews behaviour one bit. But I think he has and is being punished still.

[@cloudybeforerain7134]

Fountain pens don’t do well when flying. You’re supposed to empty a FP before take-off so that the pressure changes don’t cause a burp of ink the next time you uncap it. I imagine, with all the flying they were doing in the first days, coupled with the fact he was being Proclaimed in front of the entire world (which had never happened before), the pen was overlooked. Personally, I’m not holding it against him.

[@baronessvondengler]

Anne be instigating. Lol.

[@cheeredenise]

🤣

[@meganb.higgins973]

Watching the bit about Charles with the pen, I was reminded of something my pastor once explained to me about older people. Often advanced age is accompanied with various health problems and vitamin deficiencies like B12. This can cause even the nicest of people to be easily frustrated and unintentionally harsh over small inconveniences. When you add his poor health with the emotional difficulties of losing both parents and having your child choose to be estranged from you in quick succession, it's not wonder Charles isn't at his best.

[@glorysmummy]

Exactly and he did find out he had cancer so may well have been feeling bad.

[@Jay-iu5bi]

As someone who is a high functioning autistic I always saw Charles’ pen outburst as being on the spectrum. It is said of Charles that he has a temper but is always immediately regretful and apologetic which is also very autistic. I saw a man who was grieving deeply but was having to repress his emotions in order to perform.

[@run4cmt]

Everyone does not have Autism. I am tired of hearing everyone is on the "spectrum".

[@len6871]

​@@run4cmt it was a constitutionele document so forever.

[@fibanocci314]

I thought the same thing, and the more I know of his personality behind the scenes the more I think so.

[@lizziestevenson1908]

I imagine the circumstances with Frogmore is a bit like us plebs who fall on hard times or want to visit our parents, we'd go back to our old room at their house - he wanted his own premises. Of course, there are plenty of places spacious enough for them to go back to without Frogmore. But, no no no, i dont want that!!!! WAÀGH!!!😢😢

[@karolynpawlowska2516]

I am finding this book a total annihilation of the Royal family. I think it is a load of rubbish. You are right Denise. It will not bother me if you dumped it where it belongs; in the trash. I feel I can't listen anymore.

[@timonemackey5113]

He just lost his mother!!!! Give me a freaking break!!!!

[@rose5170]

I don't think the King should be criticised over the pen incident, it made him relatable, it made him one of us. In fact, it made me laugh. and after all, we are used to his foibles by now and we wouldn't want him to change just because he has become a King!

[@queenredspecial]

I don’t like prince Andrew, but he is not a pedo.

[@tanianaldrett9156]

You’re expected to hand back the company car if you voluntarily leave the job. They wanted to leave and become “financially independent”. They wanted to escape this apparently rascist, vile, unwelcoming family so what’s the problem? They got what they wanted.

[@ginacable5376]

Andrew was stupid and indiscreet but that girl wouldnt have been under age over here and calling him a paedophile is a bit much she wasnt a child.

[@MeganCarrington-l1p]

If it meticulously exposes Andrew, I look forward to it.

[@kristaclifton512]

Who cares. Who doesn't get in a bad mood? Can you imagine everything you do being scrutinized. Could it be that Prince Charles was under stress when he got irritated by his pin.

[@Monpris0590]

I remember this clearly and I was irked by the pen incident but remembered how I was after my father passed and I was lacking sleep and tired from crying. I might have been short at times and I wasn't even being crowned queen or on the world stage. Can't hold it against him.

[@ralphl7643]

One day we'll learn that M&H actually wanted to give up Frogmore to lower their expenses, they just complained in order to get all their money back.

[@Catzilla931]

Harry did have a lease on Frogmore and it expired. It was probably short term because they would have been moved after they had a child.

[@cheeredenise]

That’s true of Nottingham Cottage. Frogmore was suppose to be their home once they had kids and their lease reflected that expectation.

[@Catzilla931]

@@cheeredenise sorry 😞. I was mistaken

[@margaretmorris672]

I hope that when Scobie is mourning a beloved member of his family, and is in the view of millions of people that he holds it together! A typical Scobie dig at the Monarchy and the King in particular. To him the Monarchy begins and ends with the two who live in Monticello !

[@mrsblakers8706]

I know a lot of people shared my opinion, monarchy aside, his mum literally just died. Inappropriate it may have been but under the circumstances, if everyone else is still grieving the loss of the queen and a new reign, imagine how he is feeling.

[@maureenormston8356]

I can quite easily cut KC some slack over the pens incident, he had just lost his beloved Mother and was grieving with the added stress of trying to keep himself together in public. Not easy for anyone in that position. Andrew on the other hand........ I'd be happy if they did a Napoleon and exile him to some remote island. I appreciate he's innocent until proven otherwise but no one can deny his association with some very unsavoury characters. The RF connection with Jimmy Savile is a whole other scenario. Savile's despicable behaviour was tolerated and enabled by those in power at the BBC and others. Whether the RF were aware of it at the time I don't know as he wasn't truly exposed until after his death. Vile, vile piece of sh*t (sorry I can't bring myself to call him a human being).

[@nicoletteralfe733]

The king had one egg thrown at him and it missed… from quite close quarters! He turned and looked at it smashed on the ground and then turned back to continue his conversation. Total class😎

[@tweetledd4709]

I’m so happy for Omid! He’s never experienced a leaking pen. Forget the stress of grieving the loss of a parent AND stepping into that parent’s job which happens to be KING, getting ink on one’s hand and clothing is a trigger for major annoyance. I had a pen failure while inflight to visit a client. My fingers stuck together with black ink which soon found its way to the cuff of my white shirt so, yes, one can indeed get quite annoyed with a leaky pen. Had cameras been clicking and someone filming my attempts to get tidy and presentable, I would have cursed and, no doubt, delighted whoever was trying to catch me out in an emotional display. Too much has been made of these very human moments (we no longer believe that the monarch is divine, right?) That Scobie so focuses on these minor incidents - already documented, commented on and left in the dust of history because THEY ARE MEANINGLESS- is yet further proof that he (Scobie) and his biased regurgitated narrative provide no education, no insight and no value. Mad props to you for going through this painful exercise and sharing your review with us!

[@BackToNature123]

Harry said they'd been talking about leaving for years (plural), which would mean it was at the latest 2018, they year they married. It is clear that they went ahead for renovations, knowing they wanted a different style of life. For that reason, I think it's right that they repaid it, even though the lease was ended

[@valerieswinscoe]

I think people need to remember we lots our queen but he lots his mum

[@nicoletteralfe733]

I’m not an Andrew fan, but he hasn’t been convicted of anything. He’s had his royal privileges revoked, but he is still a member of the family. Who can deny him going to church with them?

[@KathiLou1980]

H&M never paid any rent - Scoobie left that part out. Thru were also never appreciative of what they were offered

[@shannonslutzky4754]

Royalty or not, I think Charles losing it over a leaking pen actually makes him really relatable. He was still freshly grieving his mother. My husband passed just 4 months ago. I get angry and frustrated at just about anything lately. It comes and goes in waves. This makes me actually like Charles more for just being human.

[@lisalivingston6473]

In hindsight, I think King Charles' reaction to both the leaky pen and his obvious irritation at his pen set not being moved away from him as he signed documents following his mother's death could simply have been caused by lack of sleep, grieving his mother's recent death and having questions fired at him from all angles as his staff needed him to approve each step of the process as he assumed his role of King. I actually felt bad for Queen Camilla who had the leaky pen thrust at her by her irritated husband...so much for chivalry. I remember feeling the same way when protestors started throwing raw eggs at the King as he went on a walkabout on a public street. He never flinched, but interestingly enough, I never saw him even glance his wife's way and try to shield her from the eggs being lobbed in their direction. It is interesting to now hear that the pen set had been a gift from his sons...I bet the leaky pen was from Harry...sorry, just kidding - LOL!

[@rebeccagilstrap3507]

Ok, most Americans don't know this but MM wasn't the first royal Tom Bowers wrote a scathing book about. The only difference between that book and MMs book is he DID change that royal's behaviour. Yes, Tom Bowers wrote a SCATHING book about Charles when he was the Prince of Wales. He ripped Charles a new A-hole. And legend is he adjusted his attitude and changed the way he operated. Now, I'm not the biggest fan of Charles but I would imagine his behavior is because he was brought up in a world where he was provided for materially with every worldly luxury, however, he was a sensitive child and had a mother who had no propensity for motherhood. Even when he was very little the Queen went to live on base with Phillip in Malta and didn't bring Charles and Anne with them!! The courtiers either kissed his ass or abused him. No one had his back with no strings attached with the exception of the Queen Mother. His parents weren't very bothered with him so what does that produce? Can you say narcissistic behavior? Narcs are created, not born. I say that to say this though, that incident with the pen should have never been put on the screen. That should've been edited out. He had just lost his mom. I didn't think he acted that bad. If I had my finest clothing on and my mom just died a leaky pen would've had me heated. I don't think it's a big deal that he acted that way for one reason: he was acting out towards the PEN. He didn't say "Who the HELL put this pen here? Call the guards! Off with his head!" He was upset and frustrated. That may have been the third pen that day that leaked. Worse than that it may have been one of those antique pens. Who knows? The way I see it, everyone is ok having Charles bc he's older and wiser, plus he learns his lessons as reported by Tom Bowers. Plus, after him we get William and Catherine so... So far i think the king is doing a great job with the people. He reminds me of Edward VII who followed the LEGEND Queen Victoria. They thought hed be a disaster but the people ended up liking him. It was the luxurious Edwardian age. Thanks for reading my novel. ❤️

[@mu77]

Charles is grumpy. Who isn't? My 72-year-old husband is grumpy too. With everything he was going through and considering his future cancer diagnosis, the King was going through a lot. Scobie can suck it.

[@charlieEm6817]

I think, at the time the pen thing happened, we have to remember that he was in the first throws of grief for his mother whilst being thrown onto the world stage to be scrutinised under great pressure. I think we can give grace in this instance. I know that I was not always able to hold myself as gracefully as I would have liked in the first few weeks after my mums death.

[@xiaomoogle]

Meghan and Harry don’t get the internet and social media either…