Endgame Tier List Update: S23 Mid-Season Exotic Weapons, Origin Traits, and Perks

[@CoDBeAsT1978]

Man said shorter

[@HauntedAnimations]

Shorter? Its 31 minutes

[@Star_Killer-bj1mx]

Hey this is a new record for him

[@MrJagye]

Im all here for it

[@Zarrakon]

Man blud brodie bruh Rizz baby gronk Ohio bruh 😂

[@ckruberducky]

Wish it were longer

[@The_Geni]

"Bit of a shorter video" Is the longest video he has posted in the last week

[@BlackMagik12]

Love to see Graviton Lance moving up the tier list this season!

[@Narfwak]

I can't believe I'm actually looking forward to Iron Banner, what the fuck Bungie

[@charidiamandis]

You provide incredible content. I love in-depth, long videos with legit tested information

[@tednicholson9949]

love the new format, lots of room to include nuance in a clear way

[@tylerlloydboone]

Thank you. The community doesn’t need any more tier maker lists. I hope we can all graduate to this type of information ❤

[@Muhkoonga]

The longer the video the better

[@BPdoggo]

Thanks again for making these lists, they're great and we love the content.

[@arminkozek1921]

Don’t burn out man, keep some energy for final shape. I say this because your content is amazing!

[@andrewberger3110]

always a good day when there's a new aegis vid

[@Zarrakon]

Parabellum with heal clip frenzy is fire

[@jingyshen]

I actually can’t not hear daily dose over your videos now and I’m not complaining

[@GrandmaDestiny]

Love that you cover origin traits.

[@ruaruahh]

Very agree about the heal clip part!! I love using heliocentricQSC,it's a sidearm , so the damage is pretty high among all legendary primary weapons, it reloads a lot and actually pretty fast! Maybe the only thing bad about it is having a unsatisfying short range.

[@Nerex27]

I like the longer vids more but either way these vids still high quality

[@syd6654]

New aegis video just dropped pog

[@paul2725]

starting out the week good with another tierlist, i like the new tierlist format!

[@koraysahin8778]

keep up the good work my man. it's insane to see just how much appreciation everyone in the comments has for your content. I have never seen such unanimous love in any comment section before❤

[@TheAegisRelic]

I appreciate that!

[@Ransom_Ryder]

Aegis, what a pleasant surprise it was to meet you today. I am so glad that Xemo and Mango introduced us. Hitting the raid with you three was an adventure that many guardians can only dream of. You possess great skill and patience. I know my team enjoyed playing with you. Hanging out with other streamers and content creators is always a highlight for me. I have delighted in watching your videos as they showcase what is best in guardians, ingenuity and willingness to go the distance to push back the darkness. I hope today is the beginning of an adventure for our friendship. Keep raising the bar and shedding light on our path. Reach for the stars and they will be yours. Again thanks. I hope to see you soon. Eyes up guardian.

[@TheAegisRelic]

Thank you Ransom! Hope to play with you again in the future!

[@TheBlueCrystal770]

I gotta hard disagree with the La Monarque placement. That bow is such an incredibly safe and effective option in high tier content, obviously its not good for every situation but if your looking for a safe ad clear option in GM's its not that bad at all. I would at least give it a high B on my imaginary list

[@TheAegisRelic]

So are a lot of other options while still providing good offensive utility :P

[@dtps_champion6016]

Parasite is great with solar holster. Quicksilver is great with an alh disorienting gl. It allows you to commit to it while still providing a lot of utility.

[@wk8323]

Nice vid as always. Deathbringer slept on tho with those bonus reserves!

[@koraysahin8778]

if 31 minutes is your shorter video then i'm all in for your longer ones too❤

[@ReapThySorrow]

I love you aegis, you have helped me become one of the better players.

[@TheAegisRelic]

[@silentib1534]

Suprised to see Parasite as a red x for gms. I gave it a shot and to be honest casually 1 tapping champs every now and then is quite nice

[@silentib1534]

Oh also, gives a pretty solid chunk of super if you launch a high power shot into a group of ads.

[@SlimeyZockt]

I like this tier list. I iften have problems with people putting alot of shit in S tier when it shouldn't be there. S is the best of the best, quite literally top tier. So I think unless literally everything is perfect (which is basically Impossible) there shouldn't be as much in the S Tier. Rating harsh but fair is what I like

[@TheAegisRelic]

Glad to hear it!

[@HowHistory]

Great vid as always. Why no ranking in tiers though? I always liked precise rankings and you were one of the only who still did it that way.

[@TheAegisRelic]

Exotic weapons are so different in what they try to achieve that it's hard to measure up besides general viability

[@gamesearljones]

Would be curious how you would rank some of these weapons as an "LFG experience" Where you're not very coordinated, you're not a highly organized GM squad, etc etc

[@pmo24]

Deconstruct on the wave frame is going to be crazy. Any other weapons worth considering deconstruct with? Maybe stacked with rewind rounds on parabellum or ros arago or cold front? Seems like a waste on ros arago as you can get onslaught. Parabellum more so for champions, so under over makes sense. Maybe if deconstruct was a 3rd column perk?

[@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4]

Its great mostly for Specials and Heavies (if we get any) as they benefit from the free ammo more than a primary would. Unending shots are fun and all but if it's in place for a damage perk? Not so much. That said the Wave Frame is going to be one to look out for sure. They recently "fixed" how deconstruct works with explosive damage and I believe Indebted Kindness would be one of the few (if not only) explosive damaging Deconstruct weapon we have besides the new wave frame.

[@DevilPanda1337]

Forerunner pve gang gonna remember this one 🤫

[@madmanawesome]

Honestly after taking some off time from destiny 2. It’s refreshing to get back into destiny. I experimented with multiple off meta solar and stasis warlocks builds and weapons, and these new mods this year are so much fun in master content of all kinds. Just need strong fundamentals in combat to fully utilize.

[@Googahgee]

I think a shotgun with Heal Clip could be pretty damn good, or if we got a sniper frame that reloads one bullet at a time like aggressive scouts. An aggressive scout with heal clip + firefly could also be pretty good but I doubt we will get one any time soon tbh, plus aggressive scouts would need to be good in PVE first and they’re just not.

[@Googahgee]

Also if we ever get a shotgun with deconstruct + cascade point in different slots, that could be pretty damn good for roam content or swap DPS. Kinda like a legendary fourth horseman that gets free ammo

[@life-destiny1196]

Aegis, if you're still reading these, do you think the Manticore buffs help it out at all? to recap, some QOL stuff so you're less likely to get stuck in the air, plus combatants are less accurate targeting you while in hover mode (think Always On Time), plus they changed the catalyst (I don't remember what it was before, but the gist is it refills 12 shots in the mag and gives you a 15hp void overshield when you either kill something with it while airborne generally, or put 5 shots into a not-rank-and-file enemy while in hover mode). I'm wondering if in a volatile flow season you can combine it with Stompee airborne DR to keep incoming damage minimal while spamming Devour and proccing Stylish Executioner; or as a means to become tankier while running around with Woven Mail on your favorite strand subclass. It also negates the need for Bastion to have consistent overshields on void titan, so you can run Controlled Demolition plus Offensive Bulwark--get a grenade kill to get volatile rounds and an orb for Devour, get an overshield, get a ton of ability regen; and the volatile explosions supplement Devour and the Manticore overshields to keep you alive. Otherwise you'd need a Repulsor Brace gun or maybe Vexcalibur, but exotic primary red bars 40% yadda yadda. None of this strikes me as putting Dawnblade out of business or anything, but it at least seems like it might be worth investigating if we get another season where Void has really good artifact mods.

[@TheAegisRelic]

I mean it certainly helps the exotic but it still seems too gimmicky to really knock any meta exotic primary out of contention, I think it will be relegated to quirky builds that are centered around its exotic identity but I doubt it becomes a mainstay

[@davidgagnon2108]

Collective obligation is niche but when used properly is s tier

[@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4]

Prosecutor with Rewind Rounds and Target Lock or Frenzy is worth using because of that Origin Trait imo.

[@joeyno137]

Use special/heavy

[@johnnygao4993]

Not the datto quicksilver shade D:

[@HugoL888]

I'm curious about the reasoning behind "wasted" on wish ender for solo content. The way you talked about it and defended qsilver position in solo made me ask this. This weapon looks like a very safe solo GM and solo flawless weapon to me, no ? Thank you for the recap!

[@TheAegisRelic]

It's only useful in champ content, and so I gave it said rating in GMs - solo GMs comprise a very small portion of solo content

[@saladgaming4339]

"bit of a shorter video" uploads a half hour video 🗣

[@Galaxy40k]

Thorn being in E tier while Osteo is in A tier is making me rethink my Necrotic Grips build a bit LOL I should try Osteo out more.....although Thorn has the cool factor, haha

[@kajasimpfeed7493]

worldline in dead last only hurts me a little, sleep easy king

[@aburritosnake7526]

You are massively underrating Wicked Implement for GMs, it can pretty easily deal with both overload and unstoppable champions without any support, it's definitely better for overloads since it can easily lock them down and keep them stunned, but it can deal with unstops and keep them in place once you freeze them the first time.

[@michaelferrarini1463]

Aegis rankings are based on viability in speed runs for the most part. Wicked implement is very consistent and versatile, but it is most definitely not speedy.

[@aburritosnake7526]

It should at least have a usable in GMs.

[@d2cbro]

You can do barriers with wicked implement too. Just learn the timing

[@petervalvo1186]

@@aburritosnake7526It is more than viable for the vast majority of players, he just mainly ranks stuff based on how fast can you get something done. Like he has Vexcalibur more usable than Outbreak or wicked implement for GM's and I genuinely don't know a single person in the world using vexcaliur in GM's lol

[@TheAegisRelic]

I might try Wicked Implement at some point but everything I've heard and seen indicates that it promotes a very slow and single target playstyle, which is what a lot of other low tier primaries suffer from

[@eddiebernays514]

ive been using graviton with strand and loving it.

[@caiquepacha3606]

Fvck shorter, this is the appropriate lenght for an aegis video

[@vickybustanut6451]

All I’m getting from this video is that sir aegis has commitment issues 😂

[@SweatySeoul]

Do you know when you'll be making a trace rifle list video?

[@TheAegisRelic]

Maybe when more traces release :)

[@SleepyR7]

Do you think you can update the list with exotic armor for each class? as a returning player its been a struggle trying to figure out whats even good anymore

[@TheAegisRelic]

Yep coming soon

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

Crazy that a year ago witherhoard is so low but it makes sense. The nerf it took really sucks.

[@trident_55_24]

What was the nerf?

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

@@trident_55_24 how long the cumpuddle lasts on the ground.

[@life-destiny1196]

@@trident_55_24 duration of the puddle on the ground is quite a bit shorter now

[@Jdv-gaming]

New to your channel do you have a dim links or build licks for dps builds for warlock?

[@TheAegisRelic]

No DIM links but they are coming soon

[@Jdv-gaming]

@@TheAegisRelic 😂😂 hate myself just saw I put build licks lol just came across your channel the other day man love your stuff already I’ve learned so much about myself, my playstyle and how to be optimal from your content in literally hours and I’ve been playing since d1 and I thought I knew a lot

[@yeah167]

what are the better options for close range damage? compared to acrius and lament

[@SentientMattress531]

Acrius in a team, Lament solo

[@TheAegisRelic]

Grapple melees, Trench shotguns (including Acrius), Tractor, Lament

[@BronzeDragon0009]

I have seen so many people say that quicksilver is too strong and are asking for a nerf. Glad too see someone else echo my opinion on it. It blanket tries to fill every role and does it worse than all of the top contenders in those rolls. Why would I use quicksilver when I can just spam rockets in a gm. Sunshot, supremacy, and a pack hunter rocket does what quicksilver does without requiring commitment with higher flexibility and less time spent plinking at a target.

[@d2cbro]

Quicksilver also falls short on long range plinking where wish ender and Polaris lance take the cake

[@rogerorchestry]

Awesome information

[@danny_8209]

Curious why you thought loose change doesn't really effect pve. Being able to constantly reproc it for a permanent +50 reload is super cool and it comes with a couple QoL bonues. Would love to know what I'm missing here, great video regardless :)

[@TheAegisRelic]

I was referring to how the change to it doesn't affect PvE so its rank stays the same

[@mylesjohnson-gray8973]

I think you're heavily sleeping on Wish-keeper. I think its legitimately situational in GM content and usable in solo content....particularly on strand shackle builds. But I tried it on void hunter in GMs the other week and I came away extremely impressed. You can trivialize a lot of encounters when you have a semi-on demand suspend (anti-unstop) and you know spawns. I think it belongs in the C tier with some of the other bows...its less versatile and has a weaker neutral game, but the potential is higher than Tichuus and LeMon. Its actually far better than all the D tier guns imo. Love the vids! Give wish-keeper a try again!

[@mylesjohnson-gray8973]

Sorry one more thought but its also quietly a top5 primary weapon for defeating brigs, tormentors, and wyverns.

[@TheAegisRelic]

I've got it in a few builds lined up soon so I'll be giving it a try :)

[@prstechnic1774]

stupid question: how good is parasite for sustained dps now since it got a massive reserve buff?

[@TheAegisRelic]

I'll be doing some testing soon!

[@kingkobra4910]

Curious to see your take on nothing manacles or Contraverse hold.

[@TheAegisRelic]

You'll find out soon :)

[@SenorGermaine]

was ex diris not on the exotic list? haven't seen much on it since the changes

[@TheAegisRelic]

It was

[@alexok37]

Any chance you'll make a "I haven't played season of the wish yet but i'm coming back a week before final shape, catch-up guide"?

[@TheAegisRelic]

I might :)

[@lucienmoolman8017]

We gotta break into bungo's vault to steal back our Craftening weapons

[@Cale.da.bomba.in.left.fieldLSU]

I cant get discord but want to start low manning and speed running any tips on where to start

[@TheAegisRelic]

Without Discord that's really tough I'm not gonna lie

[@bachpachary]

I was not expecting Dad-o

[@nightismonochrome]

Would you consider adding Outbreak Perfected to situational Day 1? Like in the event that that we get another bullet sponge dps check like caretaker (though I have my doubts it'll happen again). There are great ammo generation options now though, like Xenotaph and the scout mod on helmet, so I guess that makes sense.

[@ColonialDagger]

I highly recommend using Final Warning instead of Outbreak, it's insane how slept on Final Warning is.

[@TheAegisRelic]

ToM is a bit better for that but it's okay as well

[@yourbrojohno]

Man needs to adjust parasite. 17 ammo in the new 1 fusion 1 parasite rotation is cracked. Like 7 mil total dmg and dps up there with rocket or GL spam. Edit: that said, grand overture is pretty decent solo heavy damage, you can proc the perk for major clear before a boss. I.e, Hefnds vengeance it 3 taps the captains, or for Prophecy you can litterally never swap off of it for 1st encounter, using it to blind adds while killing knights and then having a full mag of rockets to deal 1/3 of the bosses health in 1.5 seconds.

[@michaelferrarini1463]

He mentioned it, but I also think it’s underrated for GMs. Get kills and one shot every mini boss with ammo to spare. No need to even stun them lol

[@TheAegisRelic]

I'm trying to work on a new Parasite rotation atm :P

[@Khalizhan]

Vex Mythoclast and Touch of Malice are not THAT bad. I would raise a tier for both. Vex just for it's cleaning capabilities, even though Osteostriga is best. Touch of Malice for some moments when you have no ammo and have to rely on some infinite primary ammo and in that cases you would be using also Outbreak Perfected and Hawkmoon (dude that last shot hurts anyone xDD). Also Sleeper Simulant is a good option IMO for easy exotic damage.

[@life-destiny1196]

Touch I think deserves its slot; Mythoclast I would rather have Sunshot in most cases, but the ability to just massacre a champion seems very good

[@sevenoilrigs]

6:43 dome of doom.

[@yep9620]

hierarchy pretty fun with phoenix due to how much super it makes for a bow

[@indiegizmo775]

Hierarchy, Phoenix and Ember of Combustion is really solid

[@Marklovesmovies]

I love the Lament. But I'm also a Titan Stronghold main. So it never leaves my inventory.

[@t.e.a4357]

would argue edge of action is viable in gms as it can get unsafe revives especially after the fix which made it take less damage from non bosses

[@TheAegisRelic]

Yeah I've heard about some positive experiences in LFG using it to clutch with unsafe teammates

[@Konnerading]

Could rays of precision and deconstruct on uzume cause you to have an near infinite ammo sniper?

[@chicknwing2742]

Wish they would buff Lament or give it a cool catalyst.

[@biebz7482]

I feel like I've been sleeping on deconstruct. I thought the ammo required vehicles & constructs

[@robin_nohood2515]

16:30 Eyes of tomorrow is a good weapon but to me it feels terrible to use

[@brodywood6274]

Witherhoard is underated. + bait and switch apex, i've yet to not have the highest damage in any phase

[@golddagger1276]

If witherhoard is “underrated” then I’m the president

[@brodywood6274]

@@golddagger1276 lol I'm talking on this list 😭 Bro put it at the bottom

[@TheAegisRelic]

Witherhoard is overrated for boss damage and maybe just rated for add clear and sticking majors

[@brodywood6274]

@@TheAegisRelic You. Me. Warlords ruin final boss, some friendly competition never hurt anyone lol.

[@TheAegisRelic]

Am I allowed to use Banner of War

[@costcotheballer8171]

Does the trench barrel QoL change affect Acrius?

[@TheAegisRelic]

Not really tbh

[@mitchkallas1929]

What is the problem with exotic specials? Just waste of an exotic slot or am I missing something?

[@DunkMyNuts]

Lost on that too. Same with the conditonal placement. Deals with Unstops like nothing and chunks health

[@TheAegisRelic]

Generally ammo issues now

[@life-destiny1196]

generally you either: -have enough people on cenotaph or aeons to support just using your heavy on almost everything -you don't have that and need ammo finders, which exotic primaries proc faster, which precludes exotic specials + there just aren't that many legendary primaries that keep up in their own right

[@blue_bloodstar6949]

Wdym one two punch change doesnt matter? isnt it twice as worst now?

[@TheAegisRelic]

No it just means you can't do two melees from one proc

[@freakinschweeet]

Dad gamer shots fired with QSS.....

[@LT21Titans27]

I wish Collective Obligation was as good as Graviton Lance

[@sheckelboi]

Eggbert Tier List 🏂

[@Based_Shogun]

I appreciate it.

[@sureoutlaw822]

if you have restoration x1 going, and proc healclip does it give restoration x2?

[@TheAegisRelic]

No?

[@sureoutlaw822]

@TheAegisRelic but isn't that how you get it running heat rises on warlock without actual healing nades? Or am I mistaken

[@TheAegisRelic]

Cure is not Restoration (HC gives Cure)

[@Kirito_DualWielder]

​​@@sureoutlaw822 That's bound to the heat rises aspect rather than stacking cure and restoration.

[@aquativity2907]

shmuel was here

[@davidgabrieltaylor]

I was looking at the perk list and keep away and adagio looked so low it made me wonder if you know what they do. Free range and reload speed shouldn't be that low. Also adagio is just plain good, especially on hand cannons where you dont feel the delay as much cus they slow fire anyways. Free range, dmg, ammo economy... Just towards the bottom on the list.... Im not saying these perks will change the world or they are A tier. Just that they should be higher than what they are.

[@TheAegisRelic]

I wrote/paraphrased all the perk descriptions in the sheet myself so I definitely know what they do - range is practically useless in almost all PvE, the reload is nice but there are other essentially passive reload perks that don't require no enemies within 15m, and Adagio is essentially a sub-10% DPS increase on primaries for a kill (which is awful vs. other kill perks)

[@life-destiny1196]

@@TheAegisRelic not contradicting you, but IMO Adagio is a reload perk that just plays a damage perk on TV. your bullets do more damage individually, so it takes less of a mag to kill something. pairs nicely with subsistence and the veist trait on Krait, though I wouldn't take that into anything remotely difficult--it's the same variety of fun as Actium War Rig, just kinda turn your brain off and fire forever

[@InfernoPhilM]

Shorter? 31 mins has entered the chat

[@Blue-qt8ms]

Aegis teach me speeds 🙏

[@TheAegisRelic]

.gg/skated2

[@adamscott2921]

is sunshot really any better than incan zaoulis?

[@julianboyd8719]

Yes, it is a good deal better.

[@d2cbro]

it is better but often not worth the exotic slot eg if you need a gjally or tractor

[@petervalvo1186]

It's significantly better than zaouli's bane since it has better ad clear with its explosions and 40% damage to red bars, but zaouli's is a very very good replacement if you want your exotic slot for something else

[@jagan9235]

Can you explain to me why vex mythoclast is bad ?

[@TheAegisRelic]

Overcommitment to primary gameplay without worthwhile payoff

[@jagan9235]

@@TheAegisRelic hmm you put a lot of praise on quicksilver but isn’t vex a better option against champs? Also with all the solar artifact mods this season I thought it would be higher

[@TheAegisRelic]

QSS requires hits, Vex requires kills

[@spartacus6256]

@@jagan9235 also he mentioned the tier list doesn't take into account champ mods. If he did he mentioned that Polaris would be at A tier then.

[@gen8901]

Very very colors

[@idontdokick]

where are trace rifles

[@TheAegisRelic]

Probably next season :P

[@maximilianfuchs9684]

Am I blind? Where is Vex?

[@TheAegisRelic]

E

[@fpgamemearray]

"shorter video", bro lied to us and i'm okay with it

[@SignOnto]

Thanks 😊

[@thebapslaps]

"shorter" lmao technically not wrong

[@Aj-py8en]

More Revision Zero slander 😭😭😭

[@admiraltraunt6150]

Memes aside this is a shorter video 😂😂😂. Nah but really i dont mind the length given its a different style of content

[@garlos5074]

egis

[@TheAegisRelic]

Garlic

[@Pumperknuckle]

Polaris is B even ignoring artofact. Easily. Every 10 shots you get an ignition: safe ranged ad clear that stuns unstops and staggera bosses. No need to reload if you're accurate as well. May not be a raid exotic but you definitely gotta gove it props in GMs. Its a wish ender that synergizes with Solar and benevolence.

[@TheAegisRelic]

It's decent but it's held back by the fact that it's a high-impact scout

[@w0wdonger896]

Ur vidos good❤

[@EdibleRockingChair]

I love you

[@alabamaman1372]

Thanks for the tears. 😅