Why Nobody Likes Woke Characters

[@Sixstringman]

Congratulations to Jar Jar Binks for no longer being the most hated character in the Star Wars universe.

[@alexross911]

Oh God, I hadn't realised that. I'm... not sure how I feel about that.

[@MagnusDudus]

@@alexross911 meesa just fine with that

[@riftvallance2087]

​@Kristopher Prime I think he dialed up his performance too high. Toning it down by a few degrees and I bet he would have been very well liked

[@frostreaper1607]

Hes such wasted potential, Darth Jar Jar would have been epic.

[@drewmorrison]

I miss those days 😢

[@Justmonika6969]

My problem with woke characters is as follows: 1. The focus on their identity is not a replacement for a personality. A person's sexual preference or skin color is not and should not be a huge part of their personality. It is also naturally divisive as obsession over identity has been a huge problem for this species to overcome, especially in recent years. 2. They are often self inserts set to replace established characters. Self inserts, like you showed, can be good characters, but bringing one into an established franchise usually means that they attempt to steal the reigns and attention of that franchise.

[@monstertmg7004]

The first point is also why people who make being gay their personality are so hated. Like please be more than the pride flag hung on your wall and get a hobby

[@RobynMarshall-wr7zr]

@@monstertmg7004 yeah we should watch stupid takes, make video games a personality and use anime avatars. How in self aware can a person be.

[@monstertmg7004]

@@RobynMarshall-wr7zr Congratulations! You just assumed multiple things about me based on a KZbin pfp I haven’t changed in 8 years. Here’s a medal 🏅 Also to note on your other comment on this video about Wolverine and Xmen: The entire point of the video is that a character’s sexuality or skin color should only be a side detail and not their personality. Wolverine is a character with lots of trauma, flaws, character development, struggles and more. Look at the Logan movie for instance. This goes for other xmen as well, if you take out their sexuality or skin color there’s still a character there unlike the examples in the video. The entire point of the video is that there should be more characters that represent minorities but they should be actually good characters, and new characters instead of just retconing past characters half hazzardly.

[@AbsoluteAbsurd]

@@monstertmg7004 Yep!

[@wakkaseta8351]

To come so close to realizing the multic*lturalism and multir*cialism have done nothing but destroy society and then just default right back to "but muh escapism!", how sad.

[@1998LeonSKennedy]

I still remember when the new trilogy of Star Wars showed Finn handling a Lightsaber and people were pretty in for that idea. Then they said that Finn was gonna be a Stormtrooper and people went absolutely nuts because we all thought that we are gonna get an incredible story of a Stormtrooper building his path into the Jedi warrior way. But then they throw us Rey. which ended up being really disappointing for all of us.

[@richmbailey]

Exactly. There was a good story there with an original story line. But nope. Disney has to promote ALL Female characters to the top. It's still happening even today.

[@Nehfarius]

@@richmbailey It probably wouldn't even have been so bad if Rey were a better character.

[@kellmedd4925]

Yeah, I was so damn disappointed. A friend of mine happens to be black and me and him quit a rather controversial group that preached of equality, justice for colored people, justice for women, and we were essentially stormtroopers then. Brainwashed and believed in a cause we didn't understand but it must have been right. Then we realized the wrong we were doing and left. Then again, that happened way after in like the 2020. But that would have been so amazing and hit close to home for me even back in the day where I was all confused in my life. Biggest disappointment ever. But it had potential but, a stormtrooper to Jedi would have been awesome.

[@Dakota_B_]

@@kellmedd4925 Gonna be real with ya. No modern actor will live up to Samuel L Jackson as a Jedi.

[@dannykemper4784]

@@Dakota_B_ Gonna be real with ya, you spittin too many facts.

[@kenabbott8585]

This is precisely what they did to Wheel of Time. The women in the books were absolutely badass, but when these people say "strong women characters" they don't actually mean strong women. They mean a sort of childish, uncreative "girlz rule, boys drool" brand of feminism that appeals to absolutely nobody but a few haters.

[@untantic]

The Wheel of Time is a bad example, a very bad one, the books itself is disgusting, painfully drawn out, with an insane number of unnecessary characters and plot lines, the author is simply a cosmic graphomaniac, so graphomaniac that he couldn’t even finish the books and died. The author had a very specific fetish for strong women, even in some kind of BDSM format, and fully realized it in the book; I’m actually surprised that they decided to film this piece of graphomania. I read all the books, just to never even return to this horror, I still feel bad about it.This work goes far beyond the discussion in the video. Projecting your fetishes and strange thoughts that lie far beyond the scope of good writing (the desire to create many characters, write a specific, most likely more number of books, give each and every one of these many characters dozens of storylines, describe everything in the smallest detail, although it is obvious that if you are not an artist, and you do not need to draw anything according to the description, all the descriptions will disappear from your head in about 10 minutes, becoming more compact, but the time for reading is wasted.) is something beyond the bounds good and evil, the worst version of the self-insert.

[@kenabbott8585]

@@untantic If it was a bad example you wouldn't need a string of absolute bullshit.

[@untantic]

@@kenabbott8585 A bad example, because the Wheel of Time is originally a broken work from a graphomaniac, no one spoiled it.

[@kenabbott8585]

@@untantic You said that before, and it was silly back then too.

[@untantic]

@@kenabbott8585 No, it was true

[@Wichnam]

No mention of Ashoka? She was a character people didn't like when she was introduced as Anakim's Padawan... But she is now a fan favorite for many, because her story is good, she evolved... She actually became her own character and not just the slap on.

[@potaterjim]

She has a fantastic tragedy that is fascinating to explore. In a way, her relationship to darth vader is more interesting even than Obi Wans'

[@SendarSlayer]

She was introduced as annoying and whiney. And they IMMEDIATELY changed that idea and had her mature in like 2 episodes.

[@Dimimash]

I still don’t like her character.

[@1hpredkingtower432]

@@Dimimash why?

[@Dimimash]

@@1hpredkingtower432 Well, my reasons will probably be disagreed with heavily; since you ask I just find her to be very underwhelming to the SW universe- sure, she’s got a huge pivotal role concerning Anakin and his change overtime, but to me I always felt that was really her only role in the universe was to serve as a catalyst for Anakin’s change into Darth Vader. I don’t BELIEVE she’s the prime reason he changed but she had some hand in it. With that said, I always felt that there were much better and more important characters that could carry the legacy of what she was given during Clone Wars and so on. I just think she’s been so popularized because of the cartoon show that it made no room for the creators to expand on the roster of Jedi’s and Padiwans. I don’t have anything against her character itself, but more of her significance to the universe; she technically has been around since the rise of the empire back then, but she’s not the only one, and she’s most definitely not one of the strongest characters to endure it. It’s more of a dichotomy issue I have with her than it is her character itself. She’s definitely super cool, has really unique traits in combat and is quite an awesome Jedi all-around but she gets all of this praise and gloat that it’s as if no one wants to give another character some time to shine in the universe. Her obtaining her own show as well as appearing in other shows and film, just reeks of forced fan-fiction than what more there could be added to the universe. I mean think about heroes that are in novels and comics, but never get a chance to appear in media because they just were never popular or characterized enough? She shows up in Clone Wars and all of the sudden, she’s cannon and now has a huge following.

[@CYBER_5KU11]

One of my biggest issues with the disney trilogy of star wars films was how they hyped the ex stormtrooper dude up as an equal protagonist if not more so to rey with her being a side kick or coprotagoinist just to shove him to the side lines for most of the next 2 films

[@isaacchirgwin5943]

Finn was awesome in Force awakens, then they just put him through some lame subplots in the following movies. Last jedi even blue balled everyone with the absolute nothing that was the Captain Phasma showdown, that should have been Finn shedding off the last remnants of trauma and loss of identity being conscripted as a Storm Trooper would do and besting the the penultimate Stormtrooper proving that by becoming more than just a number he has become not only stronger but a better person, that could have been such a strong scene. A 1 minute fight scene some explosions and phasma looking a little worried and just dies then onto Hoth... I mean red salt planet.

[@josephpiscitelli8053]

I don’t mean to an ass but the reason is pretty blatant,China is a very racist country so most of Finn’s scenes were set up in a way that they could be very easily edited out without much effort so the film could be aired there luckily this has seeming bit Disney in the ass because most of disneys films are banned in China

[@BryonYoungblood]

I blame what happened to Finn on Disney trying to appeal to China just because they HATE black people.

[@taloscal]

not to mention that in China the character was made smaller on posters and generally given less attention which basically goes against what they were preaching in the first place because 'chinese-money go cha-ching'

[@dontbeasadsoulja]

That's you biggest issue with them? No you're a lucky mofo, dude.

[@birdman9290]

Not gonna lie, I wanted Fin to be the main character. He just felt more believable. Even in the original trailers for the new set. It felt like he was supposed to be the one to become a jedi. Maybe I'm just remembering the commercials incorrectly.

[@joel2749]

Yeah. He even held a lightsaber

[@underrated7312]

Bro there is no way the star wars fandom would be okay with a black protagonist 🙄

[@joel2749]

@@underrated7312 Bro, Finn would be far better than Rey Sue

[@birdman9290]

@I quote movie lines I don't know; people were a pretty big fan of Samuel L. Jackson. I think the character just has to have a good story.

[@underrated7312]

@@joel2749 he certainly would have but unfortunately white people hate seeing minorities especially black people in prominent roles and the majority of the star wars fandom is white so Disney knew that making finn the protagonist would be a bad idea doesn't matter how well a black character is written white people will still hate him anyway unless he is written to be some idiotic comedic relief

[@arvin6606]

As someone said, "we don't hate women, we hate bad writing"

[@SwedishBroManDude]

"We hate bad writers" is more accurate to be honest with you.

[@SnekOil]

​@@SwedishBroManDudeyou shouldn't hate people, you should hate what people do

[@SwedishBroManDude]

@@SnekOil I prefer being toxic, the message has had their volley fire and HURRAH! Now, it is just natural for us to return the commitment.

[@pricture]

Hate can be useful. We should have the courage to have the same hatred toward the people pushing this stuff as much as they do us, if not moreso. Just don't be consumed by it.

[@SnekOil]

@@pricture but don't you see? If you wish to hate people, you are already consumed by it...

[@Zachary-]

The very worst thing about Luke trying to kill his nephew is that he failed. The strongest jedi in the history of ever failed to kill a sleeping child. Okay sure, Disney.

[@birdmcturd1626]

I’d be willing to accept it if there was,say,a moment of hesitation or something

[@jordanfelt5978]

Nah dude that's definitely not it, it's the fact that he would have even considered doing that in the 1st place because he thought there was a *chance* that his nephew would turn to the dark side. That completely goes against the type of character that we know Luke to be.

[@Kashlikaro]

@@jordanfelt5978 They could have easily put in some reasoning that he was being subtly manipulated for years, and all it led to was a literal singular moment of weakness. Luke isn't even immune to the Dark Side in the comics - post Episode 6, mind you - and it HAS screwed with him. People keep saying that he's incorruptibly pure, when the comics show that - while he IS largely, overwhelmingly pure - he is NOT immune to darker emotions. He's not perfect, he's human.

[@plasticflower]

idk is Luke really that strong? They say "the force is strong" or something, but not to the point where he's the strongest ever, right?

[@jordanfelt5978]

@@Kashlikaro ooookay...? I didn't say and was not implying that I thought he was perfect or something like that. I was just pointing out the obvious.....that Luke clearly shows true wisdom in the original trilogy where he's the kind of person who would clearly think through a situation before just assassinating his nephew because he had one bad dream. Like, I don't know if you're trying to defend the sequel trilogy or something? But simply based on your response it seems like you somehow completely misinterpreted what I was saying, my dude.

[@TheCountryGoblin]

I find it so frustrating that nerds grew up being bullied and shunned for liking this stuff, then the normies got into it, changed everything, then bullied the nerds again for not liking what they did to the stuff we loved way before them

[@SergioBocanegra]

My experiences with bullying were quite different from what you described. For most of my life my motto has been enjoy it while it's good then nope out when things get controversial. PS: this only applies to entertainment not real life situations.

[@merafirewing6591]

I was a normie, but I became a nerd over time and stayed like that and enjoyed being a nerd. But the smart thing to do was to stay under the radar of other normies.

[@Kascene2012]

I refer to it as the gentrification of geek/nerd culture. We usually gravitate toward these things because we were shunned and pushed out of the mainstream. Now that we've made these things popular they want to push us out and take it for themselves. And get mad at us because we don't like it

[@n.l.4626]

"I find it so frustrating that nerds grew up being bullied and shunned for liking this stuff, then the normies got into it, changed everything, then bullied the nerds again for not liking what they did to the stuff we loved way before them" Agreed, except that it isn't the normies who are doing that shit, but a bunch of mentally ill narcissists who think that nothing that doesn't pander to their ideology should have the right to exist.

[@TheCountryGoblin]

@@SergioBocanegra I was looked down on and mocked growing up liking nerdy things. Then being older seeing those same people wearing the shirts, watching the same stuff, etc that they mocked me for makes it that much worse

[@Stormchazer246]

The silence following Kathleen Kennedy’s introduction at the celebration thing was so satisfying to see.

[@Moushoe]

The simple answer is that people just want superheroes and secondarily relatable ones. We don’t care if it’s a guy, a girl, a black person, or a gay person, we just want interesting characters. The issue with these characters is that their entire character is hyper fixated upon their sexuality or race. Again, we do not care for that and we just want relatable characters. Hopefully these big corporations actually listen to their fanbase though, sorry for the rant

[@jpstevens938]

The silence that Kathleen Kennedy got when she went on stage was hilarious. It’s about as quiet as the packed theater was after the Last Jedi. Great job Disney for turning a billion into a million dollar franchise!

[@BlazingOwnager]

I have no idea how that woman keeps failing upwards and what blackmail she has on who. Did she stumble on a vault of Epstein Island videos or something? lol

[@hihihi1q23]

Star Wars is massively successful. Wtf are you talking about? Right now is probably the best era since the original trilogy in terms of games, tv shows, etc.

[@charleypolm9122]

@@hihihi1q23 lol you're either trolling or delusional.

[@BlazingOwnager]

@@hihihi1q23 hahaha, no. More like the most over saturated and over pushed, it's been a downhill cliff of diminishing returns financially since the Last Jedi turd and the subsequent poorly reviewed and performing follow ups. It's no longer a cultural juggernaut that it once was. Nobody can quite the new movies, other than in an ironic meta way. There have been failed projects, something that Star Wars never output before. It's a shell of it's former self, creatively and commercially, and is beyond redemption for many fans.

[@princedaniel714]

One day it wont make any money at all.

[@manamaster6]

Woke "characters" aren't characters, they are just convenient for immature writers. Just compare Mulan from the 90s animated version against the Disney's live action. The animated one recognized her flaw was not being as physically strong as the men that surrounded her, she was about to give up due to not being able to compete, but what did she do? She used her most human trait to overcome the odds: her intelligence and ability to adapt in creative ways to the problems ahead. She had to be smart and find new ways to achieve what others could through sheer force, and that allowed her to perceive things in a different manner. Now we have the new Mulan, she has superpowers, she easily overpowers everyone else, her only struggle is that she wasn't as confident, but no one is even a challenge to her superpowers, she could easily solo the final boss, what did she learn? Not much, just that she was already capable and struggling is for those who aren't naturally gifted. The animated one represented what it is like to be human, the second one represented what an edgy teenager thinks a good character is: non-emotional, cold, OP, and unfazed by the situation.

[@fabiocosta3830]

Hey is Rey, but chinese and in the middle ages! :D Actually hurts how close are to eachother's personality.

[@manamaster6]

@@fabiocosta3830 don't worry, there is more of Rey for the next 6 years as a new trilogy is coming with Rey as the lead character.

[@fabiocosta3830]

@@manamaster6 🤢🤢 that is true... Wish Lucas Arts would break free from Disney's grasp, somehow.

[@MaticTheProto]

Mulan is racist shit. It’s like a love story between anne frank and an ss officer

[@lindendrache8998]

Very well said!

[@joeyjojoshabadoo889]

They also changed using the Force from a mystical ability developed through devotion to a lifetime of discipline and effort to a mutant superpower that one just has. It essentially undermines a fundamental feature of the Star Wars Universe/Mythos

[@BryonYoungblood]

Yeah. Even Luke didn't have an awareness of his Force potential as a teenager in Episode 4, while Anakin as a child in Episode 1 was shown to have amazing reflexes and reaction time thanks to his small understanding of the Force, even without training. But it was training that further awoke their abilities.

[@RandoGrunt]

And ironically, those same people who do that crap also scream their eternal hatred of Lucas's Midichlorians.

[@zaberfang]

To be fair, there are a lot of characters who actually was born to wield the Force. I mean why do you think the Jedi and Sith were able to take in children? Because it's also a mutation.

[@notusingmyname4791]

we as fans should decide that NOTHING disney has put out is cannon in the star wars universe. like.. publicly, at star wars conventions.. openly and proudly say, their stories are trash and regardless of w/e right... we the fans decide what is cannon.

[@norrecvizharan1177]

@@zaberfang True, but usually it's more of a "they have a natural affinity for it" sense, instead of a "this kid's able to crush and levitate rocks whenever they feel like it" sense. I mean sure, extra strong affinities + super strong emotions can sometimes lead to dramatic accidents, but the whole point is that it takes dedication and training to actually harness it in a controlled manner. Hell, it's not even possible to use certain techniques like force lightning on accident, as it takes not just tons of hate, but having it be concentrated and focused in an incredibly specific way.

[@mk_wizard]

PS: As a writer, I objectively try not to self insert because I don't like doing it. I like to keep my life and fantasy separate.

[@natoriousthehopeful2786]

I am so glad that I am not the only one who does this

[@cheesybeans9476]

That's the entire point, like we don't need self inserts because the entire point of fantasy is that it isn't our lives

[@criminal2421]

yup 👏👏👏

[@ieuansmith518]

Indeed.

[@happerexyt9952]

You can do the good way the Stephen king way, where his main characters are writers, that's a good self insert. Or junji ito who makes a lot of his mains look kinda like him but having their characteristics

[@PurpSlurpper]

Disney had the potential to make Finn the best Jedi protagonist. A stormtrooper that realized what he was actually doing, starts to turn to another path when he starts to truly awaken his force powers. As his powers awaken, he feels remorse for everything he did while holding what is essentially the greatest power in the universe and that causes a storm of doubt that screws with his powers or starts to shift him to a grey Jedi. Once he meets Luke, trains in the force, and finds shit out from the Order, he slowly goes from demonizing himself and hating himself to realizing who he has to become and accepting everything that happens or something like that (I'm not a writer). Finn had so much potential to be a top-tier Star Wars protagonist. Same with Kylo Ren, but mostly because Kylo looked dope.

[@tau-5794]

See, that's the thing with so many of these productions, they almost always start out with amazing concepts or starting points that could be built upon to make fantastic stories, until executives, investors, activist advisors, etc etc start changing things up to check boxes or fulfill some egomaniac's power fantasy, which inevitably screws the entire project over.

[@Menorahdude]

Black males aren't allowed to be strong.

[@ShadowtheHedgehog_57]

bro managed to make a story that was 10x better than the sequels in a youtube comment

[@clown1536]

You're right about Kylo lookin' dope tho, I ain't never seen a lightsaber with that cross guard until he showed up

[@ski4life108]

Would have been cool but he’s black and that would never have sold in the Chinese market Disney so desperately wanted to pander too. That’s why Finn is like 70% smaller on the Chinese version of the movie poster

[@hozic9929]

i do not understand why some lgbt people base their whole sexuality around being lgbt

[@kubatbolat07]

bcuz they have no character so they have to fill the gap

[@zombieboy937]

Because society by virtue of discrimination reinforces their identity.

[@RogerCaplan]

@@kubatbolat07 Exactly. Some people are so boring and lacking in any kind of character or personality that they make their sexual orientation, gender identity, race, etc into their entire identity.

[@jgillette98]

I love woke characters. I haven’t seen one character asleep that’s done anything.

[@therealgotre123]

Bro's speaking facts so true us humans can't even perceive them

[@donalddeluxe6407]

Unless if you’re zenitsu. 🤣

[@noonespecialtbh]

​@@donalddeluxe6407he's a terrible character

[@donalddeluxe6407]

@@noonespecialtbh that’s fine if you don’t like him.

[@ivandpa8085]

Bro you had me in the first half 💀

[@madambutterfly1997]

The entire sequel trilogy was a missed opportunity to not have Han Luke and Leia and Lando in a scene together is probably the most unforgivable sin. Having Han go back 30 years in character development and Luke becoming a hopeless hermit… just listing these problems makes me want to assemble an army and an act order 66 on Disney and Lucasfilm

[@chheinrich8486]

With all the weapons in America, you could easily do that in real life, i mean, how good is security at lucasfilm,

[@Mnesterus]

@@chheinrich8486 glowy

[@chheinrich8486]

@@Mnesterus i dont know what you want to say😅

[@princesspikachu3915]

@@Mnesterus Where’s Strong Woman and the PC Babies?

[@odsttrooper3724]

@@chheinrich8486 average glowie (also Carrie fisher passed away so it is literally no longer possible)

[@gameoverinsertcointocontin8102]

I thought admiral purple-hair was KK's self insert/monument. A character put in a leadership position and doing a horrible job at it.

[@CreativeWM_Personal]

And guess what, she's a lesbian who banged Leila off screen. Now you have another reason to hate Miss Purple Hair.

[@hihihi1q23]

Hasn't Star Wars been massively successful, though?

[@RogerCaplan]

@@hihihi1q23 No. Disney is in the incredible position that its movie division has been losing money despite owning several of the most successful and most popular IPs in the world.

[@Subpar1O1]

It's not the needless pandering that really annoys me, but it's the self-righteousness that people have when doing it. Like people changing a characters skin colour to say they "fixed" them, changing a character's sexuality when it didn't matter in the first place, or just cramming self insert "I always win" type shower arguments into their stories. It's not the diversity of it all that's getting grating, but it's the people behind it acting like competent writers, acting like they know best, and how they have more creative potential than the men and women with actual creative talent, who wrote the stories that they're altering to fit their ideology. Creative media has just changed from being creative to a medium to tell thinly-veiled fanfiction by people who don't have the effort or creative potential to write stories of their own.

[@hihihi1q23]

Bro, literally no one does that. Calm your saggy man-tits. If you didn't consume trash videos like this one, you'd be fine.

[@kingbaluyut7550]

For some reason, that kind of reminds me of Imperialism.

[@godzillagamer7512]

How I see it is if the writer wants a character to be black, the character to be black. making a white character black does not "represent" black people, as if they needed any. same thing with "gender", you don't need a character to represent you because if you want a character that is a gender or colour, you can't just have them be the same, and if so then why does it matter if they're not "fixed" or whatever

[@bryanwoods3373]

I got into an argument about that on a Facebook group when someone posted art of InuYasha characters reimagined as Africans. The most insulting was "it just looks right". Africans in Japanese clothing and backgrounds, but it isn't cultural appropriation. Honestly, the art was great. But all the exorbitant celebrations was just proving that diversity means black characters.

[@pumkin610]

these new pieces of attempted entertainment seem to lack a person who is passionate about storytelling and have probably studied it, many people are passionate about this and they can whip up a serviceable story for a comic or whatever. It also seems like there is no quality control, can't they just get a few competent people to give their feedback so they can fix their mess.

[@rhyswong8976]

I remember one of the KZbinr said that Peter Parker is like the rest of us, but the creators punches him down on life even more making him not just relatable but rooting for the underdog. He is still my top favourite characters. Well written well planned characters are always amazing to watch. If the main characters have everything then it's so damn boring man.

[@koga115]

Too bad his current run hasn't been as fun... still love him though

[@BREADY_DUCK]

As a gay man myself i hate all the new representation we get because all it does is make it look like we ruined the characters, being gay isnt something that should define you its just another thing about you

[@Shjba]

couldn't have said it better

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

The difference between a good self insert and a bad self insert is this: a good self insert was made by someone who wants to do something cool, say creating a Time Machine and traveling through time, while a bad self insert is made by someone who wants to be someone cool, the protagonist of a popular story for example. The good self insert works because we want to read stories about people doing cool things.

[@Whitby_Abbeys_Ghost]

It helps if the Good Self Insert has a decent sense of honesty and humor about themselves.

[@narutokiubissj2]

​@@Whitby_Abbeys_Ghost Rohan Kishibe fits the bill

[@jackalenterprisesofohio]

I think a good example of this is Stan Lee with all his movies, he inserted himself intothe movies, not as a main lead or related storywise for any main plot point, but he inserted himself as a side character that did a small something, almost as a comedic relief.

[@ToxicQueen2787]

Nah you got it wrong tbh cause Spider-Man would fit your bad insert definition a Good insert is someone who actually has character and not some Mary Sue or Gary Stu with a one note personality and or goals

[@tunebeat3809]

Writers with good self inserts aren't afraid to let them deal with hardships in the story as long as they learn and grow from them without compromising their integrity.

[@popeye697]

The original Force Awakens script had Finn And Rey as dual protagonists with Finn leaning towards the light and Rey was being pulled to the dark. The "awakening" that occurs in the movie where Rey grabs the light sabre originally happened to Finn whereas Rey actually ran from it out of fear.

[@SephTheHuntress]

I would have been more for this than what they did.

[@geeworm]

i hate that we had so much buildup and potential for finn, but he was just put to the side

[@harlannguyen4048]

Source?

[@jaysanj152]

I appreciate the fact that there are people choosing to criticizing Kaitlyn Kennedy for creating Rey and producing the dreaded movies and NOT Daisy Ridley for simply play as Rey and the rest of the casts for play dumb poor written characters Felt so bad when i heard she's been getting ALOT of hate and backlash for something she had no blame or Control over and it's not her fault for playing such a woke mary sue character. if anything it's Kaitlyn who deserved all of the backlash and the lack of claps and woo during the celebrations really speaks for itself.

[@rapatacush3]

Well, she accepted the job, despite harrison ford warnings.

[@lordrevan571]

No she's also a cunt. She had some serious opinions about the fans just as the rose actress did, and when quickly told to fuck off they sob and stammer and cry about how they're targeted.

[@TheUncivilizedNation]

We learned not to go after the actors once the Prequel fans grew up and hate against the likes of Hayden Christianson finally stopped

[@redace4821]

Given what the actors and actresses have to work with, they did a pretty damn good job. But ultimately, it's not their fault that the characters and stories are incoherent mess of horse shit.

[@ceshmate1953]

Bitch defended the movies

[@Chayliss]

Its okay to be straight and white.

[@amazingmrpig6369]

No! It’s not okay! GRRRR😡😡😡😡😡😡

[@mk_wizard]

I have to admit that I feel the same way. I don't want to hate Rey. I really don't. I don't even blame her for the d--- move the writers did. Like you said, it should have been Luke.

[@editorrbr2107]

I don’t even blame Daisy Ridley given the trash script she had to work with. If Disney wanted to make money instead of a political point, they had the entire EU to work with - Thrawn is a license to print.

[@Atheismo9760]

It should have been Luke's son - Ben Skywalker.

[@ltb1345]

I hate her and Disney more than anything.

[@rps215]

They chose to go the "easy route" and replace an existing established character, they think at least. However, what I see is a completely missed opportunity for interesting new characters, and they don't even need to remove Luke. Not just Rey, but some others as well. If you look at legacy stories, Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus is a much more interesting character than his supposed "replacement", Kylo Ren. Finn can also make for a great character if they have chosen a better writer.

[@stilesstratton9566]

A perfect example of writing good female and male characters is my second favorite video game resident evil 5. Both Chris(a white male) and Sheva(a black female) are both well written. They both are capable people who don't sideline the other character, hey both help each other out, and the both have traumatic past, and they are both love characters among the resident evil community.

[@MrJinglejanglejingle]

Chris VS Boulder was the most beautifully choreographed fight scene in all of gaming history. Jokes aside, I agree. Some people didn't like RE5, but I did. Its great.

[@TBone4Breakfast]

I know its not totally related, but I appreciate Josh's voice actor pretty much telling the people calling the game "racist" that it takes place in Africa. There is gonna be black people and to just enjoy the game

[@stoops187]

Apparently if you like Resident Evil 5 in current year, you are a racist… *rolls eyes so hard I can see my on brain*

[@badman843]

Resident evil as a whole is the perfect example of why you don’t need to be pandering to write awesome and strong female characters.

[@madeofgrease9220]

There dialogues are goofy thou.

[@mythicalskeleton1546]

I hate when companies cannot figure out how to write certain characters so they base the entire personality over what they are supposed to be or make them a huge trope mess with nothing to redeem it then blame others for not "understanding" or liking it

[@sew_gal7340]

Because being gay or blaq in of itself isnt anything special or unique, it is shallow and vain at best.

[@gamerwithoutchannel9721]

I like when woke people complain about "racism" in hollywood while forgetting for example Morgan Freeman who literally played God and nobody had a problem with that

[@notimportant1659]

While I do agree that Morgan Freeman is the best candidate for god, second only to Gilbert Gottfried, the double standard with these people is unmatched

[@ssevegeta]

Beautifully written. Told a great story. My ears were blessed today.

[@EndymionTv]

Thank you for the kind words 🤘🏻🔥

[@hihihi1q23]

@@EndymionTv Your videos suck. You churn out 30 videos a month about MUH WOKENESS regurgitating the same flimsy points that every other fat, emotionally stunted conservative has. You're a grifter who has discovered that the only way to make money is to pander to terminally online weirdos.

[@cemsengul16]

@@EndymionTv Thank you for highlighting everything wrong with Hollywood today.

[@johnnymac42069]

You’re more forgiving than I am, because I absolutely think Daisy Ridley is on board with the woke shit and has injected her own beliefs in Rey, but since her and Kathleen’s ideology is damn near identical you can’t tell the difference

[@Tyler_W]

Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that her performance had nothing to do with the reason her character sucks. That's what people mean. There are characters who shck because the actor does a bad job, and then there are characters who suck because of bad writing and or direction. Daisy Ridley's Rey falls into the latter category.

[@hundkebab2433]

Daisy should honestly not talk at all cause first, her name is f*cking Daisy lmao - 2nd, her big teeth for cracking shellfish are honestly disgusting and downright creepy

[@KingNicotine]

@@Tyler_W ...I can agree with this. It's the same with John Boyega. The character he portrayed had amazing potential...could have been the next Han Solo...but Disney...out of sheer fucking hubris...relegated him to a bumbling side character.

[@SuperOmegaBerserker]

All them are idelogs of the same fucking thing

[@SuperOmegaBerserker]

​@@Tyler_W yes her acting and her character both sucked.

[@islandspice807]

This is gold...this chef's kiss.... I love you.

[@jurrienvallo6826]

9:35 "Peter also suffers immensely" We have too many comic issues and 3 or more movies to prove that

[@amazingmrpig6369]

Man Tom holland Peter ain’t suffered shit. Well, except for those times when..

[@doctorqrow3452]

In a very interesting humanities class I took during my associates, a classmate in my group introduced themselves as "Hi my name is X and I'm trans." So I replied "Hey my name is X and I'm not trans." They immidietely went to go talk to my professor and we never got put in a group again. I said nothing malicious, if you can use being trans as your definitive factor of identity, I can do the opposite. You've opened the door for things like that reply.

[@jeremiaas15]

Ah, you need more subtlety. You should have said: "My name is X and my middle school French teacher's favourite sport was tennis". In an introduction situation it's just as meaningful as someone's sexuality.

[@doctorqrow3452]

@@jeremiaas15 Ah damn that is way better. I'll do that next time because there will definately be a next time at some point without doubt.

[@IceRl1-v8d]

You passed the class thats why you were never put in again. You showed the double standards

[@dotzs2396]

dawg you know that she did nothing wrong right?

[@nevinwarrior-l2p]

@@dotzs2396 no one said that, and whos she?

[@Patricruss]

What really annoys me is that they just never learn and blame everyone else BUT themselves for creating a character that no one relates to. I’m bi and I don’t just want to see a character that is just bisexual… Like come on.. I wanna see a character that have flaws, strengths and weaknesses, growth, trial and tribulations that just happened to be bisexual because that’s just what I relate to

[@rianmacdonald9454]

Good example of that is the show SEE, with Jason Momoa - its a very good show, but his daughter in it is lesbian, or should I say turns out that way, as the show start season one with them as children growing up, learning, reading applying the knowledge, growing, in her case making bow and arrows, becoming damn good at it, then ending in war, getting captured, meeting another person on the enemy side who can see, then sleeps with her and small side story of their love starts. But the main thing is, she was a built established character, shown with flaws, who fell for another women - and it wasn't over top thrown in your face that, that was all she was. The idea of here is this character she is lesbian(or Bi) first then everything else, it is here is this character, who is this, who has these issues, who tries this, who then struggles with understanding herself until she falls in love with another woman and is lesbian, Over the course of season 1 and 2, it isn't thrown in your face on day one, it is built to that ending over the course of time, which makes it a lot more understandable and acceptable. I do seriously recommend the show, very enjoyable, a lot of thought has gone in to that show and it shows.

[@brookieb4796]

Yeah, I think its sad because it shows that a lot of these writers think the most important thing about themselves is who they are attracted to. Honestly, who cares that you are bi or gay? (Not you specifically, like the characters) Lets show a person who is bi or gay but has character flaws, personal growth, development of other values that have nothing to do with sex. I just honestly don't think that sex and who someone is attracted to is the most interesting part of a persons personality. That is only a very small portion of what makes a person who they are. Just like you as a person have so much more about your personal story than just being bi.

[@EthanP.]

marcaline and PB From adventure time is great. even though bubblegum is a totalitarian dictator but still lol

[@_shundra_3182]

You my friend, are definitely bisexual

[@mitacestalia7532]

ikr, your sexuality shouldn't be your main trait 😭

[@darklinkTOTK]

The reason spider man works too is because we can better relate. He struggles with paying rent his job is tough as hell and doesn’t pay well.

[@Belks1453]

My issue is you can have diverse casts that are actually fucking awesome, key example being across the spiderverse, Pravitr, Hobie and ESPECIALLY Miles are all standout characters + they manage to use their culture without it being over the top woke. (I.e. Pravitr's jab at the british is short and sweet and actually lands as a joke)

[@jahrusalem3658]

Spider-Verse is objectively perfect. There's also Miguel, who's half-Irish, half-Puerto Rican if I remember correctly. And yet the movie doesn't say a fucking thing about it because that's not the point, I love it.

[@averagecoasterenjoyer]

If more movies had representation but just didn't bring it up/ talk about it 24/7, everyone would be happy

[@GladwinAbel]

Facts Spider-verse is awesome my favorite film in a while

[@fantis7710]

I think that the spider-verse series is the pinnacle point in having diverse characters. That's just my opinion though, there could be something better out there that represents diversity better than the spider verse.

[@GladwinAbel]

@@fantis7710 fax it doesn’t disrespect any race or put the race before the story or plot you see little mermaid just remade the movie but with a black version nothing creative. Same with velma tv series

[@yofwill]

I can answer that question. Because it is lead by FAKE diversity and is mostly focused on self inserts and being politically correct. That is just LAZY writing!

[@Lordradost]

I'd like to thank Kathleen, Ryan, JJ and Disney for curing me of a 30 year addiction, inherited to by my family, almost passed on to my children. Their efforts to expose that evil can only corrupt, which I should not consume, has truly helped me move on.

[@MonstersNotUnderTheBed]

Nah, I'll still enjoy PT, OT, Rogue, Andor, Clone Wars. They are still good entertainment and even have good virtue lessons in them. But also make Disney and Lucasfilm bleed money for their trash products. Like, I'll never ever buy anything related to Sequels. And if everyone else did the same, their stockholders will clearly see this.

[@Whakapohaneitetou]

You look alot like this guy called He-man are you related by anychance ?

[@rustedknight]

Thanks to them I moved on to warhammer minis

[@Lordradost]

@@Whakapohaneitetou Thank you! The OG pronoun-man is my uncle. People call me They-ma'am.

[@Lordradost]

@@rustedknight Warhammer 40K minis and lore to fill that SW-EU sized hole for me.

[@nullvoid4193]

A good way to write a good character is to review them *without* having to state their race, sexuality, weight, and gender. If you can't describe them without those traits, you failed, rewrite them. Edit: Jeebus, 115 likes and 5 replies?! I know its sometimes annoying to see people giving thanks for this kinda stuff, but thanks.

[@bjornh4664]

Ripley in "Alien" was written in that way.

[@themightyalpaca313]

I think a good example is Captain Jack Harkness from Doctor Who (and Torchwood); it becomes readily apparent that’s he’s bi, due to his shameless flirting with just about anything with a pulse, but it’s never actually announced that he is bi. They just wrote him well enough that you could tell he’s bi without them telling you he’s bi. Either that, or I’m miss remembering him and need to watch Doctor Who again.

[@ImperialGuardsman2]

​@Björn H I love bringing up this fact when coming across any wokie who brings up that representation is only just now being done.

[@thatHARVguy]

@@themightyalpaca313 That's pretty much how I remember it too. Later The Doctor explained Jack was omnisexual.

[@jedijesus494]

Yes exactly. A big problem from these sorts of characters that i ve found is exactly this. Back until the 2015's and so, the way that characters were created was: We have this new character and it's name is X. X is a space engineer and has had a rough childhood. The way X has matured is through all of the problems that it has faced as a child, and now, all that it has learned as a child is being tested now as an adult. X is a good person, is very smart and is a fucking space engineer... oh and he's gay or something. The way they write characters nowadays is: this is X and he's gay. Oh and he s a space engineer, but that doesn't really matter because he is gay.

[@chloelam143]

I’d like to mention to add to the self-insert characters. I believe that Aragorn is the self-insert of Tolkien where it is the characteristics that he strives to have or sees as kingly. Not that Tolkien is sees himself as a king rather putting his ideas of good people in different forms and it’s honestly beautiful. Self-insert isn’t always bad. Even Mary Sues can be great if other characters think she is perfect but probably uses it as a front for her own insecurities. Not necessarily the reader needs to think of them as perfect.

[@jamesgutierrez4695]

Exactly Nothing wrong self insert. Just as long as the one inserting themselves aren't pieces of shit

[@thomasfrye6335]

Like was a Mary sue, so was Anakin. While anakin kinda was poorly done in the prequels he was well done pretty much everywhere else. Rey failed to work because she didn’t have character flaws and didn’t need to grow, snaking had an actual story that had good broad strokes, Luke had some skills he probably shouldn’t have, but he still needed to learn to use a lightsaber and the force, and they barely succeeded in the first movie. He lost his first duel, but he was well written. Ray had no goal that lined up with the story, somehow knew everything she needed to, stumbled on nostalgia bait, detracted from the well and decently written character in the movie, never truly lost a battle, brought us to a pile of regrets and character flaws that Mark Hamil thought didn’t feel like Luke, stole some books, got Luke killed, and then a poor rendition of the palpatine clone saga with Ray finding out she’s his defendant, rejecting her history, hey force heal is canon again. Why? Because we say so. I’m a skywalker, not even my own character.

[@torshavnnewell]

I think that's just plain inserting. If the author wants to express their morality through the story, the author would give the heroes virtues and the villains morals the author disagrees with.

[@lou9635]

The trap is to fall in your fantasizes. You can male a self-insert or a Marye-Sue. It can work. But only if you have self-control and a good knowledge about storybuilding. But most creators who make a self-insert are arrogant and selfcentred and are only preoccupied by if they are the victims or not. So like 99% of the time, we end up with a bad character.

[@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319]

I think the difference is creators before had a bit of humility when they self-inserted. Nowadays, self-inserts are always overly glorified representations of the writers - AKA Self Insert Mary Sues - whether it's Bella Swan for Stephenie Meyer or Katniss Everdeen for Suzanne Collins or Hermione Granger for JK Rowling.

[@LiyAxolotl]

I dont know who said it, but there's a very good quote out there that helped me focus on writing the characters I want despite what the audience may think; "We don't need strong female characters. We just need strong characters that just happen to be female" I feel like this can be said for not only gender, but also race, sexuality, and so on. A character cannot have their entire personality simply be this "woke thing", they just need to be good characters. Good characters have flaws, move the story forward, and feel like actually real people at the core of it all. You dont need a good character to be your gender, race, or sexuality to relate to them. Those factors are simply character traits, not the entire character. It's simply bad writing.

[@xxkankala1671]

Ok then watch the new total drama reboot or Craig of the creek. If has good gay characters and good diversity

[@datoneoof]

I think you heard that from the channel "Critical Drinker"

[@SatanicPizza-fo2ei]

Ripley, Sarah Connor and Scully are definitely up there as good female characters.

[@H.V.C_Shino]

Watch banana fish

[@traviscunningham7062]

And Peach from the Mario Movie

[@princeshadow13]

There are worse things than being a self-insert in a comic. The idea that your ideal lover is Deadpool, I can get looking past the fact that he's basically a living tumor that won't die, but he is not someone you want to be involved with. You are going to die, be it from his enemies trying to get at him, or by Deadpool's own hands.

[@EUROPAMusicOfficialChannel]

This was worded SO WELL! To me, I don't care one bit about people's sexual orientation. It's irrelevant to how I treat people. To me, sexual orientation is a private matter. I don't go around telling people what gender I'm interested in. I don't care to mention it. It's my own business. So when I see that every prominent character's entire personality is sexual orientation, it's just boring to me and I don't care to invest my time in it.

[@ShimarinSenpai]

"It's not being done to flesh the character out. It's simply written that way so places like CBR will write an article." This is how it felt when Arc System Works released Bridget in Guilty Gear Strive. The changes made to the character didn't feel like they were for the sake of adding depth to the character, but rather for the sake of getting the attention from gaming journalists. The funny thing is that I don't even think that adding more LGBTQ representation to the game is a bad idea, I'm actually in full support of them adding more LGBTQ representation to the game. However, with Bridget it ended up feeling like they didn't even try, opting to instead just simply slap a label onto whichever character was the easiest. The writers had an opportunity to tell a story about the character's feelings and struggles during their journey to figure out who they are, but none of that was ever shown to the players.

[@maximvandepoll3008]

Bad example of diversity: Rey, who's just a Mary Sue Good example of diversity: Luz Noceda, who isn't defined by the fact she's a bi Latino girl, but rather that she's a big nerd with an even bigger heart.

[@Babysharkboss2]

For real!!!

[@Kos1256]

Sad Disney canceled the owl house

[@chee.rah.monurB]

EXACTLY.

[@spaghttienjoyer173]

fo shizzle

[@kira-dk2mx]

YES!

[@americancapitalist9094]

Self inserting in moderation isn’t a problem, but I think the self insertion with Mary Sue type characters is just a classic display of narcissism. There used to be a saying: “They’ll have a rude awakening when they get out in the real world” We never predicted they would fail upwards so spectacularly.

[@wakkaseta8351]

What would geeks know about the real world?

[@joesomebody3365]

I think the reason the characters you cited work, is because they are either original characters, or respect what came before. The problem with a lot of the newer woke characters is that they feel they must degrade what came before, or they re-write/twist an existing character into something that they are not.

[@TheAurgelmir]

My favorite character in Cyberpunk 2077 is also the lesbian love interest (Basically there's just one of each it seems). Judy Alvarez is both badass but also vulnerable. Not to mention the game does a great job making characters seem human, from how they speak and act to random shit like Judy leaving you drunken voice messages. (Clearly showing her insecurities about being in love). Even if you don't play a female character and romance her, she comes off as very human.

[@dragonquest8ftw1]

This is what's been annoying me with how lesbians are viewed in recent media; that if you're a lesbian you automatically hate all men and there is NO place for a man in your life whatsoever, everyone from family, to friends, to rivals, to pets, to lovers HAS to be a woman, even kids in that lesbian's life has to be female. Judy as a friend to Male V is one of the best characters around, there's no bashing or gender belittling, she doesn't put on any tough act, she's sympathetic and caring and is absolutely fucking depressed when you get the worst ending in the game.

[@luvnongsiacc11]

​@@dragonquest8ftw1 right... i've rarely seen gay men depicted as hating women much as compared to how lesbians are fully portrayed as hating men

[@kalen2465]

Speaking of Cyberpunk 2077 my favorite character is Kerry. In the pen and paper game he's bisexual. In Cyberpunk 2077 he comes off as the sassy gay friend. What makes him interesting is his struggles. The man got rich by selling out to a record company. He wonders if the metaphorically sold his soul to the devil and tries to get it back. Along the way you get to blow up corporate property in the form of over priced yacht. If dc comics decided to keep Tim Drake and Jon Kent as bisexual characters . But gave them more personality than identity politics check boxes. I would support it. I can't support token gay characters or token race swapped characters.

[@TheAurgelmir]

@@kalen2465 Yeah Kerry was a great character too, but since I didn't romance him, I didn't get that side of his story. Judy just felt so real, you know? She was tough as nails on the outside, but vulnerable on the inside. In many ways I liked her over Panam, who was a little bit too much of a hard ass. (Although also a good character)

[@Alejandro-fr9jc]

I loved panam but Judy was by far my favorite out of the main group of V’s friends. Another thing I liked is when you romancé Judy she will beg you to be nice to her grandma since she wants to know what kind of gf Judy has 😂

[@KEYWESKI]

Characters only built by diversity aren't characters they are just marks on a checklist

[@redsnake188]

I used to love reading comic books. I got didn't care it made me a nerd and I looked stupid for loving nerd shit in my 20s then they got woke and it's gone from "I will proudly defend these stories" to "you can't pay me to read this" and it sucks. I feel like I got robbed of something I had to fight for for years

[@Montanakid1988]

16:52 the fact that you used the legend of Luther strode, makes you an absolute Baller in my book. I have the entire series and I absolutely love it. I’ve heard a rumor that they’re making a movie about it, but it worries me because I know they’re just gonna fuck it up. I would absolutely love to play that character in a movie.

[@Skullrayge]

Ideas shouldn’t be parasitic, they should be additive. Especially when an entire world is available, you should be able to coherently justify whatever kind of character you want, but they don’t take the steps to build that character from scratch using the tools inside the given lore of a franchise. They demand that you must change to meet their vision, while not even acknowledging the previous work.

[@crazyworld54321]

The problem they're having is that this is all one giant forced agenda. So instead of building a character that grows organically during a saga, they just get forced into place for the sake of the agenda, which then means that their target audience consisting of about 3% of the human populace cannot produce enough money to be profitable, all while slapping the other 97% of their potential audience in the face and wondering why they aren't pleased with the product. Just consume product, and wait for next product is the only recipe these corporate entities know. Lifeless and soulless. Dare I say, devilish.

[@jxstf1lz]

Imagine how poetic it would be if Rey at the end of IX just said “I’m just Rey” or “I’ll found out soon enough” after spending her whole life seeking a legacy to attach her self to she finally accepts that she has to forge her own. Heck the yellow lightsaber would make even more sense then. Obviously Rey’s not a jedi temple guard and therefore it makes her unique to ALL THE JEDI. I think that alone instead of the whole palpatine skywaler yadayada would have single-handedly redeemed all of Rey’s other flaws but thats just me tbh

[@eudacye709]

"I'm Rey, Rey Nobody" or "I'm Rey, Just Rey" would sound less cheesy.

[@ZerFayt]

Aphra was such a good character. She was a crucial part of the Darth Vader comics. I wish companies would take notes.

[@7evenseas975]

A great fact everyone should know is that the reason why Spiderman's suit is a full covering one was to make that you can imagine yourself as him. Stan Lee may have been flawed like all humans, but he was a great person, excelsior!

[@nolan6137]

Luke Skywalker - Experiences a terrible loss, meets an old but great master, follows a quest and must painstakingly train to develop his Jedi powers. Later on he gets his hand cut off but this event pushes him to only make him stronger for the final confrontation. Ray - No clear motivation and automatically is able to utilize force powers that should take years to develop. The then utilizes superior lightsaber skills / force powers to defeat a sith lord that has trained all his life...... Yeh.....

[@hariman7727]

Rey only makes sense if she's actually a sith Lord without realizing that she's embraced anger and selfishness, and becomes the villain in episode 10.

[@therookie5714]

@@hariman7727 I’m pretty certain they don’t follow that plot point anymore, and Rey being portrayed as anything but a hero wouldn’t fly.

[@tacitrhyme2254]

I think the problem with the characters the most is that their wokeness is seen as a personality trait which never works. I love seeing characters that are woke but it’s not their main motivation defining characteristic. An example would be Ellie from TLOU part 2. Where she is gay but that isn’t what the story is about. The story is about forgiveness and letting go of revenge. With her relationship making her more grounded as an individual

[@Reikotsu]

1:40 dude, that Starfire self-insert is fucking disturbing, like wtf is your problem? That is some psychopath bullshit.

[@GizmoFantasyCrew]

This is why my project Inverted Generations is mostly focused on character developments and how they struggle to deal with Zeth Cero's destruction and how hard the world is to you don't lose hope and your dreams

[@cbabula5662]

What is this Inverted Generations project? An independent intellectual property, obviously. But is it a new video or comic project?

[@GizmoFantasyCrew]

@@cbabula5662 It's my own project and I'm making into a comic but I need help making it but I'm writing on the story btw this story is dark very dark

[@GizmoFantasyCrew]

@@cbabula5662 And I want to make it into a movie too but we'll see

[@GizmoFantasyCrew]

@@Voxelex Don't worry I'll make it worth watching

[@raymaxler8431]

This is why when I write I focus on Badassery and good writing above all else

[@scream-beam3519]

ew… but naturally

[@seeNovel]

I do not care what gender you are, your sexuality, or what you identify as as long as it’s good writing that fits the genre.

[@MonstersNotUnderTheBed]

That's the lazy libertarian mentality that allowed the rot and poison to creep in. You should absolutely care about what disgusting degenerate sexual perversions leftists are trying to brainwash kids with.

[@armandomorelos2500]

When a character is written well you barely notice

[@seeNovel]

@@armandomorelos2500 which just happens to be the case for a lot of characters just thrown in there for inclusivity. You don't need to have a phd in film theory to see a character isn't good.

[@armandomorelos2500]

Seriously man how do these people keep their jobs? If I was this bad and lost this much money at any other job I would be terminated immediately haha

[@seeNovel]

@@armandomorelos2500 I'm someone who aspires to be a writer, and my friends do not. I swear to you, they could make write a script that is infinitely better than most newer disney and Hollywood movies if they put their mind to it.

[@SomeJuiceBoxes]

First season of the mandalorian was a actual banger

[@ericvulgate]

As if millions of fans cried out and were suddenly silenced.

[@raavenzen6100]

As if 100 tumblre rtards REEEd out And suddenly changed star wars

[@Feelix_music]

I’m glad I wrote my book with zero compromise to the story for the sake of “the modern audience.” It’s a tale for the sake of the story. Channels like these are good, they show that there are still sane people out there who have critical thought.

[@lilmovieperp3599]

Is that why nobody is reading it? 😂😂😂

[@Feelix_music]

@@lilmovieperp3599 lol it’s not out yet 😂

[@earnestc6110]

@@Feelix_music Tell us when it's published, I wanna read it

[@wakkaseta8351]

Probably isn't all that good either. You anti-SJWs have been punching down at the wokies for so long that you've gaslit yourselves into thinking that you're any better while being no different.

[@Feelix_music]

@@earnestc6110 I shall!

[@ac0SE]

Came here to know what woke is. Came out wondering what non-binary is.

[@spoony8497]

Honestly, I don't think self insert characters are inherently bad. I think that, when used effectively, they can actually be very useful tools for storytelling. Alot of self insert charaters play into a power fantasy that the creator has for themselves, and those characters function as outlets for those fantasies. However, such as the case with Spiderman, you can use self inserts as a way to give your character accurate traits, since you experience them directly. Completely ignoring the power fantasy aspect, and only using your traits as storytelling devices to extrapolate the characters storyline.

[@jaydenmerio6211]

Perfect example of self inserting is a manga called tokyo revengers ipdk if you know about it or not but the creator mixes is past along with fiction and it works because hes not forcing something

[@DonaldDuck-s8v]

Mary and Max? That is the better example to use.

[@dutch24]

I don't like it when somebody takes something they don't like and assign it the term woke, but yes, people are fighting racism with racism these days.

[@MatteoTomatto]

A good example of how self-defeating modern woke-tinged writing can be, can be seen in the Rugrats reboot. In the original series, Lil and Phil's mother Betty ticked all the "obvious lesbian" boxes at first glance. She was husky voiced, short-haired, wore a sweater with a big venus symbol on it, and served as a rougher, masculine counterpoint to Didi's gentle, feminine style of parenting. But she was also in a loving marriage with her husband Howard - it was just clear that she wore the pants in that relationship. In the new series, they erased Howard completely and just made her flat out gay. They got their representation, but it came at the cost of playing an easy stereotype straight.

[@chee.rah.monurB]

Yep.I'm also reminded of woke colleges making "n1gga-only spaces".Segregation was one of the most r4cist things in the USA,& NOW it's being presented as a weapong against r4cism.

[@burtonthegrape9217]

I remember when I would get beat up and bullied for liking these kind of things, now the bullies are taking something I loved and turning it into garbage to bully some more

[@spicelordthanos3858]

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[@Logan-dk8of]

that's what happens when something nerdy becomes mainstream, the actual nerds aren't welcome anymore.

[@swiftstreak98]

Personally I never took shit from anybody and I still don't which is why to this day I still defend my love for Star Wars even against these liberal conformists who not only don't give a shit about it but also constantly try to turn it against me and all real Star Wars fans out there

[@kinghyperheart1571]

All the more reason we nerds have to do what most of us Nerds don't want to do: Stand up to the bullies, tell them "No" and if they pick a fight about it, we got to kick their asses like they did ours and take our stuff back.

[@wakkaseta8351]

The people who rightfully bullied you and the degenerates hopping on your bandwagon are different groups; you people are just out of touch with real life and blinded by the chip on your shoulders.

[@jdrive03]

Woke idiot: “Hey, I have an idea, Superman can be gay.” DC Comics: “Okay… why?” Woke idiot: “Because LGBTQ+ has been so underrepresented in comics and I think that people need to see a hero that is gay.” DC Comics: “Well, I don’t want our studio getting into any PR nightmare… how about he’s Bisexual, that way it’s not such a drastic change…” Woke idiot: “Ugh… I guess.”

[@alittlekittycat21]

This I why I hold old school movies close to my heart. I have completely dropped Disney and woke Hollywood. At this point am consuming black and white movies, 80’s and 90’s movies/shows. No matter how ridiculous they get it’s so much better than today’s garbage. Let me tell you, Electric Dreams is a diamond in the rough and I was pleasantly surprised that Boy George’s song Time was made for it. So that’s cool.

[@haunted_mortuary]

Same here!!

[@swagless6719]

Your sleeping on John wick and jojo bizzare adventure

[@alittlekittycat21]

@@swagless6719 I’d rather watch ‘A League of Their Own’ for the 45th time. Or ‘Cliffhanger’ and ‘Misery’

[@swagless6719]

@@alittlekittycat21 well u watch some type of ani.e from ur pf

[@alittlekittycat21]

@@swagless6719 yeah- never changed it from middle school…

[@solarprophet5439]

The problem is that woke characters present the aspect which makes them so as their defining characteristic. Jonathan Kent is the perfect example of this. He's presented as a bisexual man who happens to be a superhero, instead of a superhero who happens to be bisexual. Woke writers also slap the audience in the face with their character's wokeness instead of hinting at it through subtle cues. For example, there's a lesbian couple in Hogwarts Legacy. The only reason we know is because it comes up in conversation, and does so in a very organic way. It isn't shouted to the rooftops and thrown in the player's face, or presented as good or bad. It just... IS. That's the way it should be.

[@bearbiter9051]

"Why does noone like Woke characters????" Because noone - no true fan; not one person in a beloved franchise's earliest fanbase BULLIED for being dedicated and passionate fans - ever asked for Woke bullies to march in, put their feet up on the coffee table, feel at home, and demand that their Woke characters be chiseled into a franchise they once openly hated.

[@birdmcturd1626]

And even the very people they want to pander to with woke characters hate it because they can tell there’s no soul behind it.

[@underarmbowlingincidentof1981]

mate there were enough people angry with Ashoka being put in when she came and now the fans love her... It's probably a matter of time. Stop being such a grognard.

[@ianlewin8888]

I think is largely due to the part that they only write characters, that they think people would want to see, rather than creating character that people could really relate to, in another words, it's their pride that people hate.

[@Darthdoodoo]

Luke killing his nephew is like Jesus killing his son or something it's just not in character we know he would do everything possible to pull him from the dark side he would never just resort to "absolutes" like a damn SITH

[@chakradarrat8832]

like the prequels' jedi resoluting to the absolute lack of emotions (and failing)

[@megatazz86]

Exactly! I just told a friend the other day, “I don’t care if there’s a gay/trans/whatever character in something…but if their only characteristic is that they’re gay/trans/whatever, I’m going to lose interest in the thing as a whole.”

[@TheAcrelicGem]

I know one specific marvel group that would disagree. They have X in their name. (This isn’t me bullying, I’m just making a joke)

[@Bl0kymtt]

1:38 bro you made me spill my coffee 😂😂😂

[@leegaul2161]

Traditionally, authors did not put themselves into their main characters, because their protagonists were the delivery mechanism for their premise, and did not want to dilute that. What many classical writers would do is create a side character that works adjacent to the protagonist - while still not being a deuteragonist - but instrumental in helping the protagonist along their journey. Usually in a mentor or advisory role. Authors that put themselves into the main character, usually do so to tell their own life story (a pity character meant to garner sympathy) or to create a power fantasy (a mary sue to appear grandiose) for themselves. This runs the risk of alienating the audience.

[@Insomnolant1335]

Dante would like a word.

[@thecod2345]

I wouldn’t quite say that. There are instances where self insertion can work out. Two major examples would be Guts from Berserk and Denji (although in the case of Guts it’s more so the relationship the author had with his best friend). The thing is, you can’t turn it into a therapy session. You have to treat the characters on their own accord and approach their situations with enough self awareness to write a good story. Problem is that most self inserts jerk off the author in a way that’s either clearly dumping all their problems with no self awareness or just straight up ego stroking.

[@leegaul2161]

@@thecod2345 Before I read the relationship with his best friend part, I got shocked thinking you were implying Kentaro had the same trauma Guts did. xD Oof.

[@DLN_0.5]

@@Insomnolant1335 Dante from DMC?

[@Dude357]

It's not that marvel is pushing woke. Disney purchased Marvel. Disney is making all the good marvel heroes lame, gay, and black.

[@Kewr]

putting a woman in as a lead doesnt = woke, potraying that the woman is better in all ways with no character development = woke

[@cameroncullen7632]

The rouge one woman was really good. I feel like we had no back story to rey she just showed up with no character progression.It’s like buying a new game but already having everything unlocked

[@elijahhayter3026]

Rogue one. Rouge is the French word for red.

[@spagoongus140]

Bro rogue one was a great movie, it had a diverse cast and EVERY character was good. So underrated.

[@mattandrews2594]

Rogue One is fantastic, and should be immediately held up as an example of how to do a modern film with diversity right.

[@geronimo5537]

In truth, people hated the follow up star wars trilogy that followed the original trilogy for the same reason. introduction of a bunch of new characters and no real background. which thanks to animations like clone wars gave the newer trilogy much needed background and interest. I myself do not like the disney star war movie revamps. but maybe in the future we will see some worthwhile spin offs from it. then in 20 years people will appreciate it as the kids of now will be nostalgic over the movies. like in my age when the phantom menace released. only the kids seemed to like the prequel storyline.

[@kaiserberserk3622]

@@mattandrews2594 Exactly, I feel like Rogue One did well what the sequel trilogy couldn't do well. I enjoyed the sequel trilogy to a point but I was eventually met with disappointment, specially cause they seem like they recycled the original trilogy (episode VII is basically a modernised episode IV just slightly changed). While Rogue One gave us an interesting story that works on its own, adding more insight on the beginnings of the Rebellion and connecting to the beginning of episode IV pretty well.

[@aFLYER1980]

Basically, if the defining feature of the character is their gender/sexuality.... You have NO character

[@forzit8623]

being a girl is part of Rey’s character?

[@tatersalad76]

​@@forzit8623 is there anything else going for Rey? She's literally just Girl Luke in the sequels

[@forzit8623]

@@tatersalad76 shes not the same luke had parents of sort rey was literally homeless💀💀💀

[@LenaLoofah]

Rey should be remade. Her character has massive potential, daisy Ridley is a wonderful actor and a beautiful one aswell. Both the character and actor has massive potential and that idiotic director ruined both careers. They really need to remake the Rey trilogy of just a Jedi that just found out she’s a skywalker. I can make a whole story for Rey but I know no one would read beyond this comment so I’m not gonna post it

[@Skull-Kull]

I believe that while self insert characters are ok don’t make them a ‘Ray’ make their identity, make their personality and give them flaws that’s one of the most important because what most fans want out of characters from is humanity they want to see their heroes/villains fail, succeed, cry, laugh , they want to see humans people they could relate to people they could see themselves being not some perfect being that does no wrong and does all the right things and is a genius and everyone loves them. While some characters are like that it works for them like for example Mikasa she’s smart, brave, talented and strong but clearly has a clouded mind and weakness when it comes to Eren. What I’m saying is self-insert is fine as long as they feel like an actual fleshed out character that could actually exist within that world and I’m not saying they can’t be gay, lesbian, bi, trans, nonbinary or black, Asian, Vietnamese, Korean, Japanese, irish, Hispanic or Australian just don’t make those their defining trait or quality

[@leonardocoutomaciel4997]

WHY THE FUCK did I open a video with "Woke" in its title? Am I stupid?

[@QuickNickGT]

You clearly are

[@AwesomeAnthonyProductions]

That video of the muted response to KK at SWC was hilarious

[@dillonjohnson9368]

Glad a well spoken individual like yourself can put light to these issues that we all see and hate . A video I’ve been hoping to watch from other creators for a long time . Great job! You killed it .

[@toxicmanbaby1069]

It goes even beyond the fact they she's "just Luke but without the flaws and can do everything perfectly" Take the prison escape, for example. It's not enough that she escaped, the movie needs the male characters to know that they came all this way for nothing. One of the male characters says "Looks like she already escaped" and suddenly they're useless. All her scenes are set up like this, by the way. From the first moment where Finn decides to rush in to save her from some thugs (which she beats on her own before I can even get there), to "here, Han Solo, I fixed your ship for you" and of course "don't hold my hand, I can fun by myself" Everything is set up to make everyone else look useless and stupid in comparison. To me, this is the most grating thing about her.

[@PsycheTrance65]

One of my favorite characters is Poison, from a book of the same name. She manages to be a strong female lead without ever going "OMG LOOK ITS A GIRL THAT DOES COOL SHIT!!!!!!". She doesn't solve her problems by being "like a man", she knows she is outmatched by most of her enemies so she just outsmarts or outmaneuvers them. I wish more writers would create cool characters that just happen to be a woman or LGBT instead the other way around where they create "woke" characters and make it their entire identity. I also hate how poisoned the discourse around it has become, the second you say you don't like a "woke" character, people are so quick to accuse you of being "x-phobic" or whatever buzzword. No, I don't like [insert woke character here] because they're a woman or are gay, I don't like them because they are poorly written!

[@DerpySnake]

Virgin "games too woke me no likey" vs chad "hey this game isn't that good, i won't play it"

[@RealCoachMustafa]

Actions, morals and character traits will always be more relatable than physical traits or "identities"

[@shadowednight1600]

It's weird seeing a man in bandages being called a woke character, but I guess woke's gotten that good at hiding in plain sight I am referring to the thumbnail BTW

[@IIISWILIII]

The whole woke thing screams, "I'm incredibly insecure about my own existence and rather than try accepting and loving myself for who I am, I'm going to force the rest of the world to validate me so I can feel better about myself."

[@kleinerfischimgroenmeer2491]

That’s why I love Arcane. This show does representation just right in my opinion. There are black and lesbian characters but those traits do not make the characters special and aren’t the focal point of their existence. There are both many complex and important female AND male characters. Everyone brings something to the table. That’s because Arcane has very good writing. If someone strives to have a lot of representation in their show, they really should take a look at Arcane imo.

[@thomasfrye6335]

I need to rewatch Arcane (it’s been a few months) because I forgot the councilor names, but the one who’s Jace’s love interest has an almost perfect backstory. She’s a strong black character, but she’s great because she’s a character. She isn’t a character trait, but rather a character. Echo(I think the spelling is something different, like I said it’s been a while) was a character who happened to be black. Most of the stuff we see him do after the time skip, we don’t know it’s him. We have no inkling that he’s black, because it didn’t matter. Overall, his race mattered for consistency with the game. He’s just a character. That’s what we want, characters rather than a collection of potato r character traits. They should have a motivation, flaws, need to learn things. There are exceptions, but those are shows for mindless fun rather than complex storytelling. Star Wars even fixed a character who was a pile of positive character traits and a flaw in Ashoka. She was a snarky/annoying character who was always, provably, right. They made her a touch less annoying, but gave her actions consequences. She needed to be able to learn and grow, so they made her get overconfident and fail. She learned and became a character, and people loved the character she became. Even in Rebels, it feels like she became a more well rounded character. She went from a pile of positive character traits tied together with a flaw, to an character, to a character that has probably learned, to a character that feels like she’d grown since we last saw her.

[@Sh-qc1eh]

I can agree. I enjoyed arcane thoroughly. It has majority of the elements that comprise of a good and enjoyable show. For me personally, I am against the LGBT community in what they stand for and belief. You can pretty much say I am despise the concept of this gender bs and/or homosexuality. In truth I do standby my firm belief against it. Arcane may have a small portion of lesbian, but that didn’t afffect my enjoyment because the story was so well told that the lesbian aspect was pretty much dwarfed in comparison. This I can stand for. I will never support the LGBT community in anyway possible, in fact I will go as far as I can to denounce them. But so long as shows like arcane don’t try to promote it as a status quo, but promote their fantastic story that enthralled their viewers, by all means I am in for it

[@naintham5849]

they completly forget Soka Tano! A woman, strong leader! we all love her, and she has growth