[ENG] AfreecaTV StarLeague(ASL) S16 Ro.24 Group F (Tastosis)

[@JakeAkinTUL]

My 4 month old is sick with his first little cold and I’m on overnight duty right now with him and let me tell you the JOY I felt seeing this was just posted. Thank AIUR for this!

[@TheRealMjb2k]

12:35 Tastotis 18:30 game 1 39:30 game 2 1:01:46 winners match 1:25:47 losers match 1:41:30 final match

[@QuantumLeap11]

God's work

[@shaggyfeng9110]

Thank you captain

[@stefanc4520]

Artosis I'm sad you were eliminated but your Tastosis cast still soothes my soul! Don't think I've forgot about you Tasteless, your a legend in your own right! ❤

[@CommanderShiz]

Artosis was in asl?

[@fromryuk7785]

​​​@@CommanderShizI think he's talking about the recent lan they had in NY 3ish weeks ago. Artosis went and like top4'd but didn't win the whole thing.

[@Anna-ff2hn]

insane crowd considering its RO24! really loving this season so far!

[@iMDope91]

Much love as always @Tastosis! ❤️ Thank you for carrying the passion of Broodwar for so many! ❤

[@Leo_Kruger]

Tasteless: "Me not make attack building. Me make attack unit 🦍" made me LOL 😂 Love you guys!

[@yyyy-uv3po]

- "My 2 favorite moments in the year are my birthday and Christmas. You?" - "ASL season 1 and season 2."

[@dragonsdynamite6403]

A birthday is just a reminder of you getting older. Commercialism has taken majority of Christmas spirit away and has changed priorities

[@ruhtraeel]

Bisu's winrate is actually insane for someone who hasn't won ASL before. I think he has the highest winrate out of anyone who hasn't won, especially because his winrate is better than many ASL winners (Royal, Mini, Jyj, Shuttle, Light)

[@pavetwo4496]

as a lifelong bisu fanboy can confirm its a bummer seeing him go out in RO4/8/16 in literally every ASL hes competed in lol

[@dragonsdynamite6403]

Reading between the lines here. The win rate is superficial because it’s often against a lower tier opponents. Once he comes up against a formidable opponent, whether due to nerves (unlikely after decades long exposure) or else, he doesn’t succeed. Evidently I didn’t think my comment through before posting because it makes less sense with each passing minute.

[@floatocean7059]

the +1 armour for the marines in the first game might be anticipate a quick lurker switch, as it takes 3 shots instead of 2 to kill a marine

[@andrewferguson6901]

Helps a ton with scv vs muta too doesn't it?

[@williamwang2383]

Can you show us the math? I am too casual to understand the numbers

[@mentacorex]

​@@williamwang2383the lurkers do 20 dmg and the marines have 40hp, so with the +1armor they take 19 dmg, thats why they need to be hit 3 times instead of 2, hope this info help❤

[@leeva93]

⁠​⁠@@andrewferguson6901no not really. 7 mutas are required to one shot scvs but 8 mutas for +1 armor. But Zerg players makes 11 mutas for a full control group plus a few more to rotate injured ones out. If they stoped at 7-8 then yes but that’s never unless they tech switch.

[@veidro]

Its not like it would make much of a difference as they’re always stimmed and below 40hp anyway

[@wolvie90]

Stork Vs Bisu, I feel like I'm warped back in time.

[@pinroshan020]

Me too. I remember when CholeraSC was still active on youtube back in 2007-2010, i always watched some of the best korean StarCraft players. ❤️

[@kevingarnett1255]

Could you imagine coming into your first ASL on TV and your matchups are Rush and Bisu

[@arson1136]

Really impressive he made it to r24. Should be proud as a new comer

[@sangvinhun]

i can imagine better: artosis miraculously getting into asl and the matchup is snow and flash 😂

[@iithunderii9800]

I felt really bad for him. You can see that ivOry has some potential.

[@fangzhoudu2741]

Stork is one of the all time great player in starcraft. He was actually invincible during 2007-2010. As time goes by, the capability may fadeaway, the legend will not.

[@robertovonschoettler]

Just when I thought it couldn't get any better, they clicked the screaming bird

[@nandinoo]

Tastosis... so fun, those little stories you guys tell really make me laugh, I love you so much. Thank you for doing this.

[@canag0d]

Kakaru! I think that’s the observer being excited for nostalgia reasons! Edit: is Shine observing?

[@TheMGeldart]

I'm not sure how I'd function without BW. Much love.

[@xthebumpx]

We finally get another Protoss advancing. All it took was matching up against an amature zerg on a map where hydra busts don't really work and another Protoss.

[@l4unchp4dgaming38]

Thanks for keeping the dream alive Tastetosis!

[@spenyn7]

Some cheesy smiles from our favorite casters! ❤

[@bobby7274]

loving these! watching all of them as they get posted, thank you!

[@dragonsdynamite6403]

It’s not the biggest of challenges considering the amount of time you are given to *in between*

[@gillbates5]

oh my god that PvP was INSAAAANE Artosis cheering for Protoss?? He's beginning to believe...!

[@Existence_End]

15:30 says that ivory beat ssak organ and soma in the qualifying matches so great call artosis that is saying alot about this guy....love me a good under dawg 16:55

[@ludviglinden4395]

This INTRO IS SO DAMN COOOOOOL :D GETS ME HYPED EVERY TIME!

[@ugignadl]

Awesome matches! And let's not forget that they clicked the screaming bird.

[@electricgoose4691]

1:43:27 was the highlight of todays group. Just beautiful play

[@TheSarenarass]

Please have subtitles for ro16 group selections!

[@miguelrangel6041]

My fav player advancing! Good job man!

[@rareroe305]

Who are you rooting for?

[@dragonsdynamite6403]

Don’t tell him

[@crownic]

you guys are so funny

[@Teddybearxx113]

Yessssssd group f let's go ty so much tastosis

[@AdmBmb]

IDK when they're going to drop, but when I get tastosis vids I get giddy and that happens with VERY FEW IF NO OTHER vid series drop.

[@Scrambles2112]

CLICK THE SCREAMING BIRD!!!!!!!!😂😂😂

[@hasudrone2]

muta bounce does 9+3+1 dmg. marines have 0 armor to start, with +1 armor, assuming the muta attack bounces 3 times, u are effectively reducing 3 dmg per single muta attack, albeit spread across different marines. also +1 armor marines it takes 3 hits to kill instead of 2 from unupgraded lurkers + sunkens. traditionally marines do so much dps that the point is to kill everything before they get to u, but vs mutas/sunkens they are generally trading dmg, so armor is pretty good in this case. however, caveat is that mutas are generally sniping vs 1 marine, in this case with >5 mutas hitting 1 marine it will die anyway, so having more firepower to chip away the mutas would be better in this case, the armor however will protect rest of the group from taking bounce dmg. in a mass'ed attack move, armor is for sure better

[@bencheevers6693]

Love this game, love the speed that this is coming out at, so happy Ro24 is over, at least we got Bisu in and I don't even like toss half the time. I'm not quite sure how I feel about the massive upsets and great players going out, I always hate bo1s for that, also they're so much less content, this whole video was like an hour of BW, bo3s are way more exciting.

[@HasekuraIsuna]

Today was second shortest in total game time, but I don't know if we should count group B lol Group A 1:26:49 Group B 0:33:18 Group C 1:12:20 Group D 1:50:23 Group E 1:14:00 Group F 1:01:28

[@ninepoints5932]

The audience sign around 39:50 said "foreigners like starcraft also" haha

[@LoLaSn]

Haven't seen any PVP in forever

[@mochtedoppelte690]

LOL at the baby bird commentary XD , but it's true

[@taylorolson6228]

hell yeah! ive been waiting for this for days

[@floorshirts6402]

I was low key routing for Ivory.

[@qohijoqjehoij5302]

I love the casts, but i dont know what happened to getting out the vods out as soon as possible... this was played august 23rd, 10 days ago

[@dragonsdynamite6403]

Past few tournaments, 2-3 groups uploaded close together, if not next day, then the prolonged gaps take over. I should send them both a calendar with two big red circles

[@CelsdergGaming]

SCREAMING BIRD WAS CLICKED 🎉

[@nOne_Dubz]

i think he was trollin with the Armour upgrade with that smirk hahah.

[@fatemakeus]

30:31 +1 armor is good for Terran on timing push.. It makes marines take 3 strokes from sunken and 3 strokes from lurker... Big survivability change...

[@oncedidactic]

Good to know

[@Goose_BW]

STROKES GACHIGASM

[@EebstertheGreat]

So when comparing +1 infantry weapons vs. armor against ununpgraded muta/ling, there are a few things to consider. 1. The two upgrades have the same cost and take the same time to research. 2. Armor is better than weapons against lings (reduces ling dmg from 5 to 4 instead of increasing marine dmg from 6 to 7). 3. Weapons are slightly better than armor against mutas (increases marine dmg from 6 to 7 instead of reducing muta dmg from 13 to 10.5). 4. Weapons are far better than armor against sunken colonies (increases marine dmg from 4 to 5 instead of reducing sunken dmg from 20 to 19.5). 5. Armor is slightly better than weapons against drones (reduces drone dmg from 5 to 4 instead of increasing marine dmg from 6 to 7). 6. When mutas dive your turrets, armor is irrelevant, and only weapons help protect them. 7. When marines hit hatcheries, overlords or other defenseless units, armor is irrelevant, and only weapons increase the effectiveness. So armor might be preferable to weapons if you are facing a high proportion of lings compared to mutas. But since most damage usually comes from mutas, weapons seem better in most cases. And they are definitely better at dissuading mutas from diving turrets. EDIT: My (3) is still true if mutas have +1 weapons, but less so. +1 armor reduces +1 muta damage from 14.44140625 to 11.83203125, while +1 weapons still increases marine dmg from 6 to 7. So armor is a -14.5% to muta DPS, whereas weapons is a +16.7% to marine DPS. So not much difference.

[@HasekuraIsuna]

(3) Shouldn't it be "13 -> 10.5"? 9 + 3 + 1 = 13 Your numbers assumes the Mutas spread attacks the Marines, which is not what we see in matches. Armor doesn't change that 5 initial glaives kill a Marine, however the bouncing glaives goes from dealing 4 to 2,5. So armor is -0% to target DPS, but -38,5% to splash DPS. Weapon upgrade takes Mutas from 21 shots to kill to 18, which I think is the more important number than raw DPS percentages. (2) This is also why I think you are correct in your assessment here: armor takes Marines from 8 hits to 10 hits, while weapon upgrade doesn't change Zerglings from being 6 hits (unless 5 Marines hit 1 Zergling before it heals 1 HP). As someone else pointed out in the comments, the armor could have been anticipation of quick Lurkers, as that takes Marines from only 2 hits to 3 hits.

[@EebstertheGreat]

@@HasekuraIsuna Yeah it should be 13, not 12. I'll change that. Armor can protect a marine from 5 mutas if they don't attack simultaneously and the marine is healed by a medic. It can also protect a medic from 7 mutas. But yeah, it's not great. Most of the effect does come from reducing splash damage, which is still very important. For instance, with no armor, 10 mutas can kill two stimmed marines at once.

[@dustincintron1682]

Sick mirror matches this season

[@swan9506]

I can't believe how few games Bisu has against protoss in ASL

[@AndrewDC2-jo9fg]

Wow thank you Afreecatv

[@brecht9322]

Great cast!

[@dew9103]

Btw that first game I want to point out that rush decided to wall off (and he wouldve most likely lost to a 4 pool)

[@ricex18]

Wow

[@Ianx50]

Subtitles > voiceover I don't know what they were thinking with the interviews; I'd rather hear the players' voices instead a shaky, monotone, first-take dub drowning them out. booo

[@vincechilt]

❤❤

[@Sapreme]

Grubby has been talking about Stars War recently lol, crazy that you guys bring it up around the same time. I heard it was a great trip through

[@moletrap]

at 40:40 is that a picture of the music star or whoever that used to be shown on camera a lot in the old days at Starleague finals?

[@michaelbird9148]

The initial PvP was excellent!

[@garrettc6521]

I fucking love ASL, never stop!!!!!

[@usmh]

1:11:33 A moment I wish Tastosis would've brought up: The vulture takes 0% damage! Fast moving units can take as little as 25% of scarab splash, but that's the first time I've ever seen 0%.

[@De_Nome]

Does anyone know what are the signs sayng? something about being brave and fighting i am guessing?

[@Nebula_mtg]

Is there going to be an in person event with the casting archon in the future?

[@uTubeismyTivo]

going air vs the man who made the corsair build, nuts

[@jdez095]

And to think I was about to go and play Battlefield 2042, a clearly inferior game, all evening. Then I get this notification, and instead get to see you guys absolutely melt over a Bisu vs Stork Rivalry after over a decade in the making.

[@THAC0MANIC]

fan of rush hope he passes then again with all the upsets not 100% sure but with bisu and stork in this and the upsets who knows ...

[@notKingVoulo]

Not used to seeing these before time stamp guy puts up the time stamps. I'm simply lost.

[@mikeallan2192]

We're in uncharted territory here!

[@dragonsdynamite6403]

Leave a trail of breadcrumbs for the rest of us

[@SuperCosmicSpaceMagnet]

I rewatched it a fair few times and I still don't understand what happened to the corsairs. Completely caught out in a clump, utterly surrounded by a big cloud of Scourge, and yet they somehow won.

[@sirdiealot53]

The scourge didn’t get the best connections. They kinda stuttered

[@HasekuraIsuna]

You can hit more Scourge than you need on a target, it takes some few ticks for the damage to transfer. So you could sacrifice 12 Scourge on a single Corsair if you don't manually target, because whatever is the preferred target of the first Scourge is probably going to be the preferred target of the next.

[@SuperCosmicSpaceMagnet]

Oh :( @@HasekuraIsuna

[@arson1136]

This and he had 11 or 12 corsair. Those numbers splash damage is insane You'll notice pro zergs will work to dwindle them down usually but 2 Stargate nonstop is rough. Hydra switch would have hard countered

[@SuperCosmicSpaceMagnet]

Do Scourge not do AoE damage when they impact?@@arson1136

[@detrockcity3]

Maybe he’s doing the armor then attack because it’s more helpful with survival over the period before he’s ready to attack.

[@somecooney5304]

Here's a Friday night!!

[@kronbison]

tastosis' custom pronunciation of Valkyrie is almost as great as their use of the non-word "casted"

[@Aggnog]

58:13 Tasteless not looking at the screen as always lmao "no shuttle with his reavers" when it was actually sniped by Stork at 57:28

[@sleeper1855]

The feeling I get watching zergs stay on mutas too long and then die to M&M + valk must be the same feeling Toss players get watching Protoss cut corners and die to hydra busts.

[@Adriatic478]

Same feeling as watching Terrans get outflanked and die to dark swarm lurker at the natural

[@sergeimashkov2022]

No, srsly, where are groups B and C?

[@MrChandoidibui]

What song after game over and victory for Bisu?

[@wonderwondertwins]

1:43:32 BIRD

[@jamie_miller]

Holy retina-burning blue zerg, Batman! lmao

[@Matthew-uv6gl]

When Bisu says "used to be a pro gamer" is that just referring to the KESPA days? I mean, everyone in ASL is all doing the same thing, right? Streaming, doing the university thing, playing in the ASL. So do none of them consider themselves pro gamers despite all being in the ASL?

[@dsds51621]

Perhaps he’s referring to the team days, when players lived and practiced in common houses every day

[@HasekuraIsuna]

I mean, "pro" is short for "professional" as in "making a living by doing this". If their primary income is streaming (which might include gaming) they're not really "pro gamers" per se, they're "pro streamers".

[@Matthew-uv6gl]

@@HasekuraIsuna That is needlessly specific. They make a living by gaming. It doesn't matter whether the money is coming from winning first place in ASL or through streaming, they are professional gamers. It doesn't matter, it doesn't mean anything. It just threw me off a bit when he said it. He is one of the best BW players of all time and part of the small group of humans on the entire planet who have made successful careers out of BW gaming. If he doesn't consider himself to be a pro gamer, then who the hell is? Could also be one of those stupid KR humble things they do in interviews. Like when someone will absolutely crush a group and they will say "Eh, I didn't play that well today. I got really lucky to make it out".

[@mochtedoppelte690]

He is just being humble

[@inguh7041]

​@Matthew-uv6gl I think you're overcomplicating it. Hikaru Nakamura still plays chess but he considers himself a streamer, not a chess player. Same thing in this instance.

[@TheEKPC]

Why do the crowd cover their faces with the papers?

[@LORFCASTER]

GGs !

[@UCfjZmDYoZY3laj2mfiinm7gc]

20:47 / 2:01:30 Soundproof Pink-/White Noise?????

[@gavinator354]

good lord the balls to call out Afreeca TV on their own channel hahahaha 34:46

[@KillCredit]

HAHAHAH he's still cute, it's so true, broodwar did turn me into a grizzled old man

[@pauljansen7881]

It's like a James Bond game.

[@TheEKPC]

why do they paint their hair, they want to look blonde?

[@CamsTricking]

"He looks like a baby bird" xD

[@hackerj23]

Armor upgrade may be to protect the scvs

[@ir0x539]

click the screaming bird RT

[@Zadrigo]

1:03:05 Camera shows a beautiful Korean girl holding Rush sign. Artosis: "Oh, its Scan in the audience there".

[@bladesofseven]

Oh okay then, I clearly didn't need to sleep anyway.

[@h2kiLL]

I just got back into starcraft.. I finally caught with all the asl stream from 10 to current 16... now I gotta wait for these to upload.. 😢😢

[@pv2639]

Nice of tastosis embrace the trucker aesthetic

[@dragonsdynamite6403]

A van tan to complete the look

[@IYPITWL]

1:42:50 top tier banter

[@ryuzakitm3156]

Bisuu tienes mi apoyo con feee

[@thatwell7944]

All I want to do is watch Bisu v Stork

[@owendavis3500]

Bisu ❤

[@Johnsmith-bk3uk]

why do they upload so slow. This was like 10 days ago.

[@misterkefir]

To minimize the downtime between ro24 and ro16 group stages I presume.

[@misterkefir]

It's way faster than it used to be anyways.

[@dragonsdynamite6403]

They might as well try uploading the whole tournament series one one day next time

[@SirWtfcharles]

Hell yeah

[@Fewshin]

1:43:28 artosis click on the screaming bird

[@じょせふ-v2z]

19:38 👀

[@guimontag]

I'm a straight dude but Bisu is crazy hot

[@dragonsdynamite6403]

Would you let him?

[@guimontag]

yes@@dragonsdynamite6403

[@Durotan111]

papi bisu

[@HasekuraIsuna]

*[SPOILERS]* Post-games season 16 map statistics *[MATCH-UPS]* TvZ 4-4 (avg. time 13:37, T wins at 12:30, Z wins at 14:44) ZvP 6-1 (avg. time 14:56, Z wins at 15:44, P wins at 10:09) PvT 4-4 (avg. time 15:48, P wins at 12:43, T wins at 18:53) TvT 2 (avg. time 15:25) ZvZ 3 (avg. time 13:55) PvP 2 (avg. time 12:58) Overall avg. time 14:37 *[GAMES]* Longest: free vs EffOrt on Tempest (35:29) Shortest: SoulKey vs Calm on Apocalypse (04:34) *[SPAWN LOCATION]* Top (10-3 o'clock) 14-11 ~ 56% Bottom (4-9 o'clock) 16-19 ~ 46% Left (1-6 o'clock) 20-14 ~ 59% Right (7-12 o'clock) 10-16 ~ 39% Against clockwise opponent 10-10 ~ 50% *[MAPS]* *Apocalypse* 12 games, avg. time 14:01 TvZ 3-1 (avg. time 14:31) ZvP 1-0 (avg. time 17:23) PvT 3-1 (avg. time 12:01) ZvZ 2 (avg. time 14:04) PvP 1 (avg. time 16:29) *Invader* 4 games, avg. time 15:16 ZvP 2-0 (avg. time 12:57) TvT 1 (avg. time 21:34) ZvZ 1 (avg. time 13:37) *La Campanella* 3 games, avg. time 19:25 TvZ 0-1 (avg. time 13:31) ZvP 1-0 (avg. time 35:29) TvT 1 (avg. time 09:16) *Neo Dark Origin* 1 game PvT 1-0 (avg. time 23:28) *Polypoid* 1 game PvP 1 (avg. time 09:27) *Retro* 4 games, avg. time 13:36 TvZ 1-1 (avg. time 16:04) ZvP 1-0 (avg. time 07:37) PvT 0-1 (avg. time 14:40) *Tempest* 5 games, avg. time 12:42 TvZ 0-1 (avg. time 05:12) ZvP 1-1 (avg. time 09:04) PvT 0-2 (avg. time 20:06) *[Comments]* - Round of 24 over, and much balances out: TvZ is 4-4, PvT is 4-4, against clockwise spawn is 10-10, number of mirror games are T 2, Z 3 and P2. However ZvP is still 6-1, and top/left spawns are favoured compared to bottom/right spawns. - ivOry breaks the Zerg winning streak, and is the only Z to lose a game to P and the only Z to not advance. - Even with the two new games today, average time for Apocalypse barely changes, from 14:03 to 14:01; it is _the_ 14-minute map. Overall average gametime is 14:37, so is it perhaps _the_ Brood War map as well? - Apocalypse is TvZ 3-1, ZvP 1-0, PvT 3-1, so perhaps an RPS-map between the races? Don't spawn on 8, it has a record of 2-5! - Two of the most played maps past seasons (Neo) Dark Origin and Polypoid only see one game each in Ro24.

[@tunneltu]

They were very wrong indeed❤

[@PULAG]

20 scourge+ 6 muta vs 8 corsair and only kills 3 Corsair. hmm.k