Engine Monitor Upgrade - Part I: JPI EDM 930 Installation

[@dabuya]

I’m impressed by the cleanliness of the panel. However, most notable is the safety and functionality of the new instrument. You’re transforming your aircraft into a mini airliner! Respecting the cost associated with such upgrades, I’m honestly jealous.

[@stevecastro22]

I have a deep appreciation for any true craftsman who loves what he does.....

[@martinpauly]

Me, too, Steve. Gene and Mike did some nice work there. - Martin

[@robertwhite537]

Glad to see you upgrade Martin! I had the Auracle unit...and it caused an in-flight fire in my A36....which took it out and parts of my autopilot! We landed safely and then replaced both units with the EDM-930 and Garmin 600 respectively. UNBELIEVABLE upgrades!!! You will love the 930. :-)

[@martinpauly]

Thanks, Robert. In-flight fire? That must have been a scary experience! Were you able to land immediately? Did it self-extinguish, or was it still burning when you landed? (I don't even want to think about it too much...) Regards, Martin

[@robertwhite537]

Thanks Martin. It was quiet the show stopper! I was descending from 5K feet to land in about 8 minutes. It actually extinguished itself after tripping the breaker. But it was very smokey in the cabin. I didn't declare an emergency because I was in class G airspace in the middle of NE and could have put it down really in any field below me. Good VFR conditions. But I wish I had bought the EDM and not the Auracle. It was not the glory unit it was represented to be. But I love my 930 and you will love yours also! I very much recommend the Garmin AP should you need a new unit anytime soon. Incredible accuracy. Take care, Robert

[@perimeletiou]

Excellent upgrade for a great airplane, you are on the right track. Although this is a personal preference I would also install at some time, two Garmin G5s in place of the suction driven artificial horizon and HSI. I enjoy your videos , keep flying and share with us your experiences.

[@martinpauly]

Good comment - yes, before too long, I will do something to the mechanical flight instruments ("six pack"). Maybe an Aspen or a Dynon. - Martin

[@UAL1kFlyer]

Just outstanding as usual. Appreciate sharing the thought processes, the trials, tribulations and the successes.

[@lugnut1976a]

Very cool, it’s like having an engine Dyno monitor on your panel.

[@GustavoMonasterio]

What a sensational new engine data display system! Congratulations Martin for your new EDM 900!!

[@martinpauly]

Thank you, Gustavo. I really like it! - Martin

[@JonnyRicter]

It would most definitely have been easier to order the panel overlay, but there's something satisfying watching it be fabricated from scratch.

[@martinpauly]

Agreed! - Martin

[@colb6171]

Fascinating video Martin. The 930 must make it much easier to check temps and pressures with a quick scan and great to know that the new sensors will give you more accurate readings. Thanks for giving us such detailed information in a mature way.

[@martinpauly]

Yes, the 930 is great in how all the data is readily available on a large screen. I'll go into the details/differences a bit more in a future video. - Martin

[@Corsair0829]

Great video, its amazing, and very satisfying to me to watch people take pride in their work, and the results speak for themselves. I look forward in seeing the next video.

[@martinpauly]

I know what you mean. Gene and Mike did a really nice job here. - Martin

[@ccacrislan]

Super nice video on the work necessary to install the new JPI 930, Your airplane is looking great...

[@martinpauly]

Thank you, Christian. I really like how it looks! Regards, Martin

[@Reuben-ny3]

This and your avionic video series are really great! Besides the flying I love the electronics sides of things.. the parts behind the panel and within the engine compartment. Very educational and entertaining video series.

[@martinpauly]

Thanks - that is exactly what I was hoping for. Regards, Martin

[@randyeno2525]

Martin, Very nice! This is a great improvement that will serve you well with increased capability, reliability and an easier instrument scan. Compliments to your crew. It’s nice to see competence and craftsmanship! I’m looking forward to your next video to see it all in action. Thanks as always for your informative approach to sharing your experience!

[@martinpauly]

Thanks for the feedback, Randy. Part II of this video is now on KZbin, by the way. - Martin

[@chuckmartin5773]

I bet that is sooo exciting to get these upgrades this past year! Im sure tht will be really nice. Thanks for sharing

[@martinpauly]

It is very exciting indeed. A lot of learning, too, but that's part of the fun for me! - Martin

[@almarasco8088]

Panel came out great you will love the EDM 930 best investment I did.

[@martinpauly]

Thanks, Al. So far I love it! - Martin

[@jetdoctn]

Looks great Martin! Those guy's did a nice job!

[@martinpauly]

Thanks, Mike - yes, they did nice work! - Martin

[@jetdoctn]

@@martinpauly Hand cutting that panel overlay is pure talent. Not an easy thing to do.

[@CharlesReiche]

Martin, Take that orange scat duct out from behind the panel and install the correct CAT duct. If it pops off, it can and will interfere with the yoke mechanism. CAT is the proper duct and holds its shape.

[@martinpauly]

Thanks, Charlie. I'll look into it. For sure, the yoke mechanism is not to be messed with. Regards, Martin

[@CharlesReiche]

@@martinpauly there is a specific beech part. Worth the peace of mind.

[@bigphoto1]

Thinking about putting the 930 in my airplane. Thanks for sharing

[@martinpauly]

I don't think you'll be disappointed, Ed. I very much like mine from what I have seen so far. I'll talk about the differences a little more in the next video. Regards, Martin

[@Eybar23]

Thanks for sharing this avionics series. Looking forward for the next video.

[@mikes3174]

The new panel / avionics look great! Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@martinpauly]

Thanks, Mike. Glad you enjoyed it. - Martin

[@JimHausch]

Gorgeous. I have an 800. I'll probably go with the less expensive 830, but, of course, it won't be primary so I'll need to keep the old gauges.

[@martinpauly]

Thanks, Jim. There are upsides of keeping the old gauges - some even prefer the original look. As for me, I LOVE the clean look of the new installation. It was great to see you in Oshkosh, btw - thanks again for your help with the LOP presentation! Best regards, Martin

[@johnnytoobad7785]

As an electronics geek (but not a pilot) I've always prefered analog meters as opposed to LED/LCD displays. But I'm sure the internals of the new equipment are much more accurate than what you had. It seems like a lot of information on a small display though.

[@martinpauly]

It sure is a lot of information, Johnny - you are right about that. But for the first time, all that information is right in front of me, all at the same time. No more button pushing and going through long sequences of parameters to see the value I needed to see. To me that's one of the best parts of the upgrade. Regards, Martin

[@MichaelLloyd]

Great series. I like the new engine monitor

[@martinpauly]

Thanks, Michael

[@SteeringWheelOperator]

It's like having Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui-Gon Jinn working on your plane. Nice work.

[@martinpauly]

I will pass that along to the mechanics - they'll love to hear that! Thanks, Martin

[@BoB4jjjjs]

Looks good, hope it all works! I'll see that when I get to the next video.

[@martinpauly]

Thanks! - Martin

[@par5eagles]

Fantastic video.

[@martinpauly]

Thank you - happy to hear! - Martin

[@muzikman183]

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay this is! awesome, Martin! great job team! can't wait to see the results inflight!

[@martinpauly]

It looks GREAT in flight! Working on that video already... Regards, Martin

[@erwinb3412]

Very interesting video .

[@Nbolanos0624]

Martin it came out really nice !!! not going to lie but I'm jealous. Once again thanks for sharing

[@martinpauly]

Thanks, Nilson. I really like it so far! - Martin

[@albriseno2428]

Great video Martin. I am considering changing out my gauges from this unit as well. Let us know how you like it.

[@martinpauly]

So far it's been great. I'll talk about it a little more in the next video (flight test). - Martin

[@ulephone1918]

Martin. Very interesting video. Well put together. I like the conciencious approach of your mechanic Gene. How can I find out if he does work on a Cardinal Aircraft.?

[@ulfbjrtomt7165]

Thanks for so many nice video. Regards from Norway

[@martinpauly]

Thank you, Ulf. Best regards, Martin

[@ozziepilot2899]

That was quite fascinating, thanks Martin 👍

[@martinpauly]

Thank you, Paul. - Martin

[@XACMF]

Looking good Martin! Maybe in the near future the six pack is the next to be upgraded? Cheers from KFMY!

[@martinpauly]

Yes, you are right, Carlos - the six pack instruments look antiquated next to the EDM 930 and the Avidyne IFDs. I'll do something about them before too long... Regards, Martin

[@muhammadrizqiwicaksono5569]

Great. By the way, could I know the aluminum sheet type and the thickness?

[@Allegan49010]

Looking good!!

[@martinpauly]

Thanks! - Martin

[@williamalderson6677]

Nice!. Thanks for sharing.

[@martinpauly]

Glad you liked it, William. - Martin

[@johnarmstrong4758]

it looks fantastic. He did a nice job on the overlay. How much weight was eliminated by removing the old instruments, wiring and probe replacement?

[@martinpauly]

A bit over two pounds were lost in the process, John. - Martin

[@photon1972]

It looks great. Do those guys take on similar projects for others? I'm in CR for clinic a couple times per month, flying in when the weather permits.

[@jamescoker9545]

Beautiful!

[@martinpauly]

Thanks, James. - Martin

[@jfrotlund]

Love your detailed videoes here !!! I have an EDM 800 as well - but was looking into the EDM 830 upgrade. My downside is that I still have to have my old analog instruments if I choose the EDM 830.... And now you have inspired me to look closer at the EDM 930 and your way of doing this... Did you at all consider the EDM 830 or was it too obvious to go with the 930 due to cleanup of old scrap instruments ??

[@martinpauly]

Hi Jesper, the 830 would have been much less work to install; however, from the beginning I really wanted the cleaner look of a complete primary system, as well as a screen as large as possible for future videos. - Martin

[@jfrotlund]

@@martinpauly - I now fully understand, why you wanted the cleaner "primary" solution. I am now looking at the EDM900 as alternative to EDM930 since it uses less valuable panel space. Did you consider the EDM900 on your way ?? :) - or is EDM930 the only real solution ?? :)

[@evanmorgan1926]

Any idea how much useful load you’ll gain by this upgrade? You should film the weighing and balancing process if it gets reweighed!

[@martinpauly]

From old to new, the airplane got 3 pounds lighter. Not a huge difference, but I'll take it. Good suggestion to include the W&B in the final episode - even though it's just math, not actually weighing with scales. - Martin

[@josephcumbey1770]

Wondering why you installed the fuel flow transducer beneath the engine. All the ones I've seen, on fuel injected engines are on top, with an anti siphon loop.

[@martinpauly]

The previous one (for the EDM800) was there. That's how I bought the plane - I did not even think about moving it somewhere else. Are there potential problems with this location that you can think of? Thanks, Martin

[@josephcumbey1770]

@@martinpauly I just looked at JPI's install instructions, suspending the Fuel flow transducer even or below the fuel servo inlet port is acceptable, like yours. Optionally, up top, like mine , they advise a loop, or bump in the line from the transducer output down to the fuel servo. I'd say if it worked there with your 800, it'll work there with your 930.

[@kiethlowry2862]

Wow 5 days. To install that equipment but it sure looked nice

[@albriseno2428]

Martin. I am thinking about adding a JPI 930 to my Bonanza as well. The engine is currently being overhauled so I think this would be a good time to upgrade engine instrumentation. I would love to speak to you about your experience with the 930.

[@martinpauly]

I really like my EDM930, Al. What questions do you have?

[@albriseno2428]

@@martinpauly Hi Martin. First, what was the final cost of the unit and install? Did it take a while to transition from the gauges to the 930?

[@Myviewer108]

cool stuff

[@toddhokanson1230]

Looks good. I like the newer engine monitor. Get a more accurate power information to save on engine ware and fuel economy,

[@martinpauly]

Exactly! Nothing beats actually seeing what's going on in the engine. - Martin

[@bdpd1]

Martin when I visited the JPI booth at Oshkosh, they said they the EGT and CHT probes from 7/800 series could be reused, but I’d have to give them a call to create a custom “kit” for an upgrade to a 900. UL was this your experience as well?

[@martinpauly]

I got a different answer for this primary installation (at least I thought I did - maybe I misinterpreted it?). The way I understood them, for a primary installation (i.e. throwing out the factory gauges) the new probes from the kit must be installed, but the existing wiring can be reused. Regards, Martin

[@stevegenzoli6158]

Very interesting video and great upgrade, Martin. I appreciate you taking the time to share this with the rest of us. Quick question for you......unrelated to the 930. In one scene, it looked like you back windows were tinted. Was that just the lighting or are they tinted in some way. I ask because I’m interested in doing something like this to my Bonanza, but don’t know how to go about it. Please let me know.

[@martinpauly]

Hi Steve, yes, the rear windows in my A36 are tinted. The previous owners did that, so I don't know a whole lot about it. But your observation is definitely correct. Regards, Martin

[@stevegenzoli6158]

Thank you for responding Martin.

[@cpuwolf]

like it. big project

[@mikemonce1405]

Do you have any video of the weight and balance adjustment it took to install the new instruments?

[@martinpauly]

I plan to include that in part II of the video. Short summary is I saved 3 lbs. - Martin

[@jasonroach8751]

Have you ever seen The Searchers?

[@martinpauly]

I have. There's a guy named Martin Pawley in there, if memory serves! :-) - Martin

[@JonathanRockway]

Interesting bit of kit. Couple questions: What kind of failures does the redundant display at the top protect you from? Is it driven from a different power supply / MCU / sensors, or is it only to protect against the main LCD failing? Do you worry about accumulated errors while entering the fuel added from eventually making the fuel gauge completely wrong? Is there some other sanity check involved?

[@martinpauly]

Jonathan, regarding your first question, my understanding is the little redundant display (top left) protects only from a failure of the main LCD and its graphics generation, not the sensors or computation. So it's not intended to be a completely redundant system. Regarding the fuel and cumulative errors: the computed fuel indication should be set prior to each flight to match what's in the tanks. In the Bonanza, I have tabs in each tank to precisely indicate full, full-5, and full-10 gallons. So when I fill up both tanks, I can precisely see anywhere from 20 gallons below full to full, in five gallon increments. That's good enough to set the computed fuel value before flight. Also, the instrument has traditional fuel indicators using floating sensors in the tanks. So I think I'm well covered. Best regards, Martin

[@GaryMCurran]

The RAD or Remote Access Display as it's called, is a FAA mandated requirement, and it is supposed to put Manifold Pressure and RPM directly in front of the pilot, as well as other alarms. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnXHpKJpp5uSfLM I believe that it is supposed to be on top of the 'six pack', or at least be within view when you're looking at the six pack. From page 10 of the installation manual. "The RAD PN-790749 mounts in a 5/8 inch hole in the panel directly in front of the pilot for the EDM-930 . . ." So, it should be directly in front of the pilot. I see it's mounted up and to the left of the display, and according to this document, it's actually in the wrong place. Most times I've seen it installed anywhere else is usually over the artificial horizon or the altimeter. Page 7-10 of this document will help explain it. www.jpinstruments.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Install908-Primary_REV-K-4-18-2017jfp.pdf

[@s35flyer]

I missed the fuel table calibration, not needed?

[@gnufz8623]

Sweet!

[@jhayrpamintuan1494]

Can you share us your diagram if FQ..it doesn't work for us in Frequency sender.

[@sljs1010]

This guy expert

[@LesOReilly]

Hi Martin. What was the estimated Installation Costs and final cost of this? we are looking to do something similar.

[@martinpauly]

In my case, installation cost was a bit over 3K. That was with reusing the existing wiring (but installing all the new sensors). Each aircraft is different; for sure get a quote from a shop before you decide. - Martin

[@LesOReilly]

@@martinpauly thanks Martin.

[@boilermaker7754]

How much did it cost? ... I know , I know.... if you have to ask you can't afford it. :) Love these installations videos Martin, thanks for posting.

[@martinpauly]

JPI's price list is on their website, so you can look up the equipment price there. You'll see it's a bit north of $6K for the EDM 930 for six cylinders. Then add 40-50 hours for installation at your shop's rate. Regards, Martin

[@boilermaker7754]

@@martinpauly , thanks, I guess I was right, I couldn't afford it :) ...amazing technology none the less, thanks again for posting.

[@john9663]

Martin - So for budgeting purposes would an approximate of $9,000 (6 for unit and 3 labor - plus or minus) cover it for a six cylinder engine?

[@martinpauly]

John, I think $9K to $10K is a good range to plan for in many cases. - Martin

[@ДмитрийЯмпольский-ж5ь]

Hi. I have a question about the installation process in particular. I have a customer who wants to install the same system but in a different airframe. I'm trying to give him a fair price but I need a approximate amount of man/hours spent on this project. I saw that you had two guys working for about five days. Can you shine some light on this issue ? Thank you.

[@martinpauly]

It was probably around a 40-hour effort, including the metal work for the panel. That's with reusing the wiring from the EDM-800 engine monitor I had before. Best regards, Martin

[@ДмитрийЯмпольский-ж5ь]

@@martinpauly thank you very much for information. This helps a lot.

[@TritonSWS]

Why did you choose the 930 over the 900?

[@martinpauly]

Because it is bigger and more readable. - Martin

[@Metalgearmadness]

Are you going to do an Aspen PFD?

[@martinpauly]

Aspen is one of the systems I'm looking at closely, yes. - Martin

[@Metalgearmadness]

I have one in my Bonanza and it's really nice.

[@Airway5]

Next: Aspen EFD 1000 MAX 😃

[@martinpauly]

Maybe - the Aspen is one of the systems I'm looking at. - Martin

[@ukrsindicat]

Why old JPI probes couldnt be used on 930?

[@martinpauly]

Per the installation instructions, which have to be followed for an approved installation. Why? That would be a question for JPI. Best guess: maybe there have been cases where the old sensors are close, but now 100% what's needed for the new installation. On an experimental aircraft, you do what you think makes sense. - Martin

[@kelvinleigh]

how much weight will you save with all of these changes?

[@martinpauly]

Kelvin, the W&B update shows a reduction of the empty weight by 3 pounds. Regards, Martin

[@brother854]

What are you doing with the 800?

[@martinpauly]

It's going into a friend's airplane. Someone local here in Cedar Rapids. - Martin

[@EeeDee1]

Are you going to replace the remainder of the gauges on the pilot side of the cockpit?

[@martinpauly]

Eventually I will, but I can't do it all at once. After the Avidyne IFDs and now the JPI EDM 930, the "six pack" on the left side of the panel sure looks a bit antiquated. - Martin

[@andreasbacher2695]

Wieviele Arbeitsstunden waren das denn?

[@martinpauly]

Hallo Andreas, das müssten so ca. 40-50 Stunden gewesen sein. Gruss, Martin

[@andreasbacher2695]

@@martinpauly Danke Dir Martin! Ist mir wohl zu teuer. Hatte heute den ersten echten Testflug mit meiner F33A nach dem IO 550 upgrade! Fazit: Der Flieger ist eine Rakete geworden! Bin begeistert! Würde dringend ein analoges MP/FF gage für meinen Flieger suchen, welches für den IO 550 geeignet ist (FF bis 28 gph). Also wenn Du in den USA irgendjemanden kennst, der so etwas verkaufen würde ... wäre sehr dankbar! LG, Andreas

[@martinpauly]

@@andreasbacher2695 Ja, der IO-550 macht einen Riesenunterschied, wie ich in meiner A36 nach dem Upgrade auch gemerkt habe. Frage an Dich: Hast Du derzeit noch gar keinen Digital Engine Monitor? Ich empfehle jedem, der ein high-performance engine hat (z.B. IO-520 oder IO-550) so einen Engine Monitor einzubauen. Es muss nicht das grosse EDM930 sein (obwohl das natürlich Klasse ist), aber man kann so einen Motor und dessen Zylinder leicht zerstören, wenn man nicht "sieht", was darin vorgeht - und die Temperaturen, besonders CHT (6x, eins für jeden Zylinder), sind halt extrem wichtig. Du wirst in wenigen Jahren mehr sparen, als der Einbau eines solchen Geräts kostet. Herzliche Grüsse, Martin

[@andreasbacher2695]

@@martinpauly Doch, ich habe derzeit das Insight G1 installiert, da sehe ich schon digital alle sechs EGTs, CHTs, sowie die Differenzen zum peak EGT für jeden Zylinder. Kannst ja einmal meine youtube Videos ansehen, da sieht man das Panel auch.

[@martinpauly]

@@andreasbacher2695 Ah, ja - prima, dann hast Du alles Wichtige.

[@GaryMCurran]

Well, now that Dynon has an AML for over 600 airplanes, not including the autopilot, maybe it's time to install a Skyview HDX system. Since you already have the JPI and a Lynx ADS-B transponder, you won't need those. You won't need another Com radio either. So, the display, GPS, tray, cables, backup displays, etc., yo.u come in at a little over $13,100, and then installation costs. I'd be willing to bet you could get a nice glass cockpit for under $20,000, but with no autopilot. I don't know what you have now, but if you have something like a King KFC-150, those still work well. Either that, or spend the money and upgrade to a newer S-Tec or newer Century AFCS. Money well spent for an all glass cockpit. Yeah, I know, money doesn't grow on trees, but right now, for a certified airplane, I think a 10" Skyview HDX is the least expensive way you can go.

[@martinpauly]

Dynon is in fact a system I have looked at, as is the Aspen. If I go the Dynon route, I would certainly want to take their autopilot as well (to be certified sometime this year for my A36, as I understood in Oshkosh). I have a Century III - not bad, but it is aging, so if in the process of putting an EFIS into the panel I can also make the move to a modern, digital autopilot, that makes a lot of sense to me. Regards, Martin

[@GaryMCurran]

@@martinpauly it's your airplane and your money, and like so many people I live vicariously through videos like this. However, I truly think that is probably the best route to go. With certification expected later on this year, even with the autopilot, it still won't be much more than what I said. IF I was still an active pilot, and looking for an airplane, a F33A would be on my short list. Pricing for a twin display system for the V35 family is around the mid $40K mark, but that's displays, transponder, autopilot, engine monitor, and the whole package. Personally, I don't think that's a bad price installed, and I would expect it to be the same for the F33A. Add a couple of Avidyne IFD 550s and you're set.

[@martinschmuck5913]

ich muss doch mal mit dir fliegen

[@martinpauly]

Gerne - komm' einfach mal nach Cedar Rapids. :-) - Martin

[@martinschmuck5913]

@@martinpauly super danke wir bleiben in Kontakt liebe grüsse vom Schloss Rothenhorn

[@MrGoldman9]

My question to you Captain wondering why you didn’t change your instrument for a glass cockpit like Garman 1000 or some other but I guess based on number of your followers on KZbin I think Garman or any other company they can give you as free equipment Such a Garman 1000 or Any other company so it should be as a commercial for them to show other people and Pilot kind of commercial All of that base on How many followers you have a new account KZbin or Instagram or any other social media. Honestly I don’t like installing something on Aeroplane and then I find there is rom for mistake like what you find. So Close are you on the equipment to make sure it’s working properly

[@martinpauly]

One thing at a time. BTW, while Garmin makes a lot of retrofit equipment, there is no G1000 retrofit solution for the Bonanza (nor for many other airplanes). But hopefully they'll read your comment. :-) Best, Martin

[@scarter176]

Got to have blood or it ain’t aircraft maintenance