5 Reasons You Should (Not) Buy An Electric Car

[@amutah8063]

And if you only need a car to travel from time to time, then you should buy a Delorean with a flux capacitor.

[@RandallvanPoelvoorde]

Very funny comment.

[@kensimmons9960]

Especially good with the optional Mr. Fusion.

[@arenbeniwal7378]

Ahahaha good one

[@zigmeisterful]

Found the Dad jokester!

[@yungprototype]

Nice one lol

[@yogimunte1854]

You're the reason why i'm still loving to learn about mechanical engineering, especially automotive engineering

[@mayushiideki]

Bruh. Same.

[@missilem2630]

Big facts

[@MrMarkopetrov]

@no post Why dont you try searching for a job in US or Europe?

[@Agnemons]

Regarding the "EV's run on coal" argument, the nice thing with EV's is that when you upgrade the grid to use more gas/hydro/solar/wind/nuclear power you automatically upgrade all the vehicles charging off it at no cost to the consumer. With ICE doesn't matter what you do with the grid ICE still pollutes exactly the same.

[@ThomasBomb45]

EVs, even when running on fossil fuels, use that energy more efficiently than ICE vehicles. Especially when you include the energy used transporting gasoline and diesel in huge tanker trucks

[@drunkenhobo8020]

@@ThomasBomb45 Plus extraction of oil, transporting of oil, refining oil. All take a colossal amount of energy.

[@osdias]

In the UK we have several green energy suppliers.

[@changer1285]

According to a donut media video I watched, over time, even on our dirtiest energy source, the carbon footprint of electrics us smaller. Initially though the production of these batteries has a huge carbon footprint, and other environmental/ ethical issues.

[@changer1285]

@@ThomasBomb45 coal isn't transported?

[@Nick_G7IZR]

$2 a gallon??? It's almost $2 a litre in the UK give or take...

[@NoName-gv6nm]

Covid-19 made gas prices super low in USA.

[@pleasedontwatchthese9593]

Its $1.9 a gallon here in texas

[@dimitrist3716]

@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 1.45€/L in Greece(6.46$/gallon). Thats why we have max 1400cc cars here. We need 12€ every 100km (14.12$ every 62 miles) if its a small diesel like a fiat punto we need half the price.

[@james2042]

Thats because yall don't have guns

[@livelyosprey]

BT DT even if it’s $2.50 which is like £2 that’s still 3.5litres compared to 1l in the uk. The equivalent in the uk would be about $7.50 a gallon

[@robertsteich7362]

$500 to install an 220 outlet NEXT to the panel? As an electrician, I am in the wrong area of the country to earn a buck.

[@Mtlbro6]

This video says $500, Amazon says $500, every form I read said $500, then when I called my local electrician he quoted me $200. . .

[@PetrolJunkie]

Depends on where you live. Local labor rates, material costs. I can easily see it. With all the storm damage material supply is starting to be a real problem. I've seen wire cost go up as much as 50% in the last 6 months. Aluminum wire costs have skyrocketed to the point where it's no longer cost effective to run at any length and size whereas it used to be cheaper than copper for larger sizes just a year ago. Material and labor markets make a big difference on the cost.

[@JeremyAkersInAustin]

We paid $250 to get a NEMA 14-50 installed right next to our electrical panel here in Texas.

[@oneselmo]

Yar Nunya Yar is right. Reason: Aluminum cold flows over times; copper doesn't. If you don't know the implications of that, ask an older electrician.

[@LTVoyager]

oneselmo Um, no. The issue with aluminum is oxidation. Us an oxidation inhibitor such as NoAlOx and aluminum is perfectly fine to use.

[@johnditoro1676]

We bought our Model 3 in September 2019. Within a week I realized the massive convenience factor. I leave my garage every day with the equivalent of a full tank. Our other car is a 2019 Volvo XC90. In the 12 months of owning both we put 16,000 miles on the Tesla and about 5,000 on the Volvo. When the Volvo lease is up in November of 2021 it will turn into a Model Y and we'll be 2 EV home. We live at 8,000 feet above sea level in the Colorado Rockies....winter is not an issue.

[@youtubespectator669]

it's like living at a gas station! Full tank every morning

[@Momo_8k]

And I'm also assuming that you don't have the same loss of power due to elevation with the Tesla....

[@japalocoturbo]

@@Momo_8k how does elevation causes loss of power? legit don't know if it's a thing or your are joking

[@turbofanct6679]

@@japalocoturbo Less air density => less fuel per combustion cycle => less power That's why piston airplanes can't climb too high without a compressor.

[@Momo_8k]

@@japalocoturbo in an ICE vehicle, power comes from air and fuel. More of either one increases power. Higher elevations have thinner atmosphere, meaning less air enters combustion. Less air = less power. Naturally aspirated cars make less power and run slower times at elevation (Colorado) than at sea level. The opposite occurs with forced induction (turbos and superchargers) where the main function of both are to introduce air into the engine. I don't have personal experience with forced induction at elevation, but those types of motors should not lose *as much* power compared to naturally aspirated cars. Electric motors don't need air and fuel to operate. So they should produce the same amount of power at any elevation. Non-scientific, but hopefully that's helpful. Reply if more clarification is needed.

[@PenZon]

I think the more relevant question to ask in many cases would be "Should I buy a new(er) car?". And if you don't drive much, the answer is no. At least if what you have is reliable.

[@AlexDubois]

unless you do a lot of miles per day? maybe not... or you want to enjoy the comfort of a silent and fast/responsive commute.

[@jamesengland7461]

@@AlexDubois they said if you don't drive much...

[@getrightoutoftown]

That's true if you don't value the increased performance, convenience and safety features that are more readily available on newer cars. Keeping an older car is pretty much always going to be more cost effective, but cars are getting better and adding new features all the time, and you need to decide if those factors tip the scales to determine that you are willing to spend more money on a newer car. But I think you are right that a lot of people just default to buying a new car, when if they considered it logically, what they want would be satisfied at a cheaper price by buying an older one.

[@questioner1596]

It also depends where you live whether an old car goes bad quickly. In St. John's, NL or Halifax, NS, cars rust very quickly because of the heavy use of road salt, and will deteriorate whether or not they are driven often. 7-10 years is usually the reliable lifespan. However, warm wintered Vancouver, BC has some of the oldest used cars in good condition, where a lightly driven and properly maintained car is still in great shape after 30+ years.

[@danielhandika8767]

Must be a Toyota then

[@zehboss]

Just the electricity used in the refinery to produce a gallon of gas is about 7 kwh. This is always produced by the cheapest way possible. Over 90% of the time this is coal and onsite at the refinery. That is typically more electricity than an EV uses to drive 30+ miles.

[@bikesqump]

I heard Texas refineries use a lot of wind power, hope thats true! I use wind for my home power plan, 9.9¢ /kWh

[@specialopsdave]

@@bikesqump Yeah, mining coal in Texas is expensive, and wind power is nearly as cheap as importing. Plus, these oil/energy companies are starting to invest in renewables anyways in preparation for when fossil fuels go the way of the dodo.

[@BakouMOH]

Yes, yes and yes. I basically have the "cheap" version of Jason's stable: an e-Golf (bought new 6 months ago) and an Na8 Miata (and my girlfriend has a Civic). The Miata may be the fun car, but the e-Golf is also a pretty fun vehicle, thanks to instant torque and the Golf chassis. I have often read that an electric car can only be a second vehicle because of the limited range. In actuality, it really is the first car as the cost of operation, comfort and convenience are the best. I never even used the rapid charger and I don't even plan to. I bought the car knowing full well its pros and cons and I knew that for longer distances, we would simply use the Civic. But for suburban driving, even the errands to go to the other side of town (up to 100 km in total), the Golf is the way to go. If we ever need to change the Civic for a bigger vehicle, a RAV4 prime would be high on the shopping list. As for noise, let's be real: most cars on the road don't even sound good. If you drive a Mustang GT as your daily, good for you, but if your daily is a Corolla, Civic, Mazda 3, etc, you won't miss the noise, but you will enjoy the absence of vibrations. As for shifting gears, yes, a good manual is fun, but one-pedal driving is just another kind of fun that is also legitimate.

[@rkaid7]

Great vid. Who woulda thought, some of the most well rounded advice around EV and ICE is from a guy who’s a an actual car enthusiast

[@markjames2338]

Nice summary. We are taking our Tesla to the north rim of the grand canyon in a few days. Plenty of chargers along the way, and hotels with chargers.

[@atavanH]

I just got back from north rim and saw a bunch of Tesla’s 😀 have fun!

[@markjames2338]

@@atavanH Cool, thanks.

[@edweeks6423]

Just remember that the closest Tesla Superchargers are 150 miles (St. George, UT) and 120 miles (Page, AZ). Any chargers closer are 16kW (or less for what are in campgrounds). If you want to see Zion or Bryce (or about anything else) you need to plan ahead (but if you own a Tesla you are probably used to that).

[@markjames2338]

@@edweeks6423 Thanks. We are staying in a hotel in Kanab that has a charger.

[@SuomiFinlandPerkelee]

So far I've done about 1 year and over 20 000 miles on an EV as my only car, and I would like to point out, that a lot of the things Jason lists are very relevant but also case dependent. If you live outside the US do your own calculations. Gasoline is ridiculously cheap in the US compared to the EU for instance, which tilts the cost analysis for the benefit of the EV. As for road trips, this summer did my first 2000 mile EV Road trip and I loved how cheap it was to drive as well as the convenience of sleeping in the car with the aircon on through the night. But here in Finland we have a very good charging network so I can drive just about wherever I feel like. Again, do your study on how good it is where you live. How about business trips? At some point you'll have to stop for lunch or dinner, and that is when you plug in. Some 30 minutes of charging will take you far on fast chargers. One tip I do have if you consider an EV - range is king. Consider how often you drive long trips and size your battery accordingly. Finally, there are a few reasons I would go back to ICE. One is for the sound that a nice sports car makes. Another is for the handling and steering feedback, which is often considerably worse on EV's. Third reason is for towing. While the torque of the EV is great, you can't beat the fact that the ICE engine gets only more effective when you load it more so your relative mileage is actually often improved (when looking at consumed fuel / cargo weight that is moved around), where an ev will lose a significant portion of its range. And in many cases there might be no towing option for it at all.

[@davidmorrow4195]

" this summer did my first 2000 mile EV Road trip and I loved how cheap it was to drive as well as the convenience of sleeping in the car ...... " --- Sounds awful, can't imagine when I would go on a vacation where the plan was to sleep in the car.

[@scottoleson1997]

@@davidmorrow4195 I would sleep in my old Camry Wagon. but I also agree with the first comment, the ‘19 Tesla Model 3 feels weird to drive, exactly like a GTA 5 car. It’s like fast off the line, but once you go 60, it feels like it’s just like the car is saying, “what, you still want more? 🙄fine.” And it’s kinda floaty to be honest without any weight in the front. Maybe to some people that’s fun, but all you hear is the whoosh from the road and honestly it’s a lot louder than I was hoping. And the autopilot mode beeps at you to keep your hands on the wheel so I don’t see the point. Just an overall disappointment in my opinion. But hey, you can make the turn signals make fart sounds in the settings, no joke. (Who is that even for???)

[@brois841]

@@scottoleson1997 just rest your hand on the steering... I let it sort of rest by my thumb and you're good to go. Autopilot is the best! Love it for highway, traffic or if I'm just on a normal road, but need to take my eyes off the road for whatever reason.

[@brois841]

@MadeInFinland "Another is for the handling and steering feedback, which is often considerably worse on EV's" I drive a Model 3 LR AWD and a BMW M2. Even with the M2 in Sport Mode, the Model 3 has much better/tighter feeling feel. Obviously if you want feedback (i.e. you're at the track) then that's a whole different ball of wax, but 99.9% of the people who buy these cars won't see, not to mention drive at the track.

[@steviesevieria1868]

@@brois841 not 99.9 … sorry. It’s more than one in 1000 drivers and enjoys a good handling vehicle. Not something that hugs the road because of the weight of the battery pack, but something agile and light.

[@lombefitness8092]

You’re the reason I’m going back to school to learn more.

[@SoulTouchMusic93]

why go to school if you want to learn?

[@itchyprince3793]

The Vibe wow. Way to summarize the entire American education system.

[@natalyasparrow6748]

I mean, it's true. I dropped out of university because I wanted to learn more. Now if you want a certification of some kind, maybe because you want a job in the field that you're learning in, then yeah you need to go back to school. Other than that though, you can learn just about anything you could want to know for free on the internet, much of that here on KZbin.

[@augustsawzak5401]

@@natalyasparrow6748 yeah, go to college to qualify for jobs, not to learn. As you said, everything you need to learn is free on the internet, short of PHD level education.

[@1300l]

Ppl are telling you to don't go to school to learn.. Come on guys, i'm happy for him. Ppl who complaim about go to shcool to learn are the ones who can do it.. who want but can't wish to go to shcool.

[@loungelizard836]

220v (level2) is a super easy install, especially if you already have an electric dryer or stove. You can plug in directly to those outlets if you buy a charger off Amazon or Ebay. About 150 to $300 USD.

[@mackie_p]

Living in Canada I’ve always wondered what the batteries would be like in our constant -30C weather.

[@DmitryDrozdovPenza]

Tesla Y has a heat pump so maybe this solves the problem with cold climates.

[@Welcometofacsistube]

Dmitry Drozdov free perpetual heat! Cool!! Wait...

[@christianbro2]

Isnt it worse to find a charging point if you travel between the cities?

[@DmitryDrozdovPenza]

@@Welcometofacsistube No just less juice spent on heat.

[@DmitryDrozdovPenza]

@@christianbro2 Apparently they're out there on highways but if you go back roads then no.

[@etx007blue2]

Don't buy electric vehicle because it's not a Toyota Celica.

[@xoukilong]

Tell that guy to clean up his garage

[@theinvestmentcorner4914]

🤣🤣🤣

[@bikesqump]

Sweet, 3 on the tree? 😂

[@etx007blue2]

@@humphrey212 LOL

[@xoukilong]

The reason the guy doesn't like electric is because he doesn't want to change his intro... "rrrev up your engine!"

[@alex86devapath]

Went from a Subaru WRX to a Tesla model 3 SR+ and no regrets! Love my model 3, but I can see why electric is not for everyone! My weekly commute is about 200 miles and when I get home I just charge it in my garage! When I take a longer road trip a have a Tesla charging station 10 minutes from my house at a mall, so I need to charge up quicker I leave the car there for 20 minutes while I walk around the mall.

[@alex86devapath]

I must say for someone that has driven manual his intere life that I do miss stick shift occasionally!

[@deej628]

Funny story I’ve got an 18 wrx myself and would love a model 3 or even a coupe if they release one anytime soon. I love the turbo and awd but have wanted electric for some time now. I live right down the road from work, have superchargers being installed at the local target a mile or two away from me right now, and love the minimalism and less maintenance that comes with them.

[@jnrivers]

I have to chip in as another Subaru guy. I still have my 03 WRX, she sits pretty in the garage and I take her out about twice a month. Daily since April is a Model S. They are both very enjoyable cars, in strikingly opposite ways. My advice is keep them both and enjoy accordingly.

[@brois841]

@@alex86devapath as someone who's also driven manual most of my life, I must say I don't miss stick at all, especially in traffic. I hate automatics even more now... so clunky.

[@riccardopiccinini666]

For me the test drive was decisive. Loved how electric vehicle drive, so got one. A "cheap" one, of course, but one nonetheless. Good points in the video though.

[@tubaterry]

I had a fully electric then had to go back to gas for a while, it's hard to describe the frustration because technically they had basically the same power specs but gas is just... laggy? It's that minor delay between your foot hitting the pedal and the gas hitting the engine that just kinda wears on you after you've had electric power, ya know?

[@riccardopiccinini666]

You take it for granted. I did a lot of "perilous maneuvers" at the beginning because I thought that every car was as responsive as mine at the lights, during a start and stop, in roundabouts.. Now I know that only actual "fast cars" can keep up with the responsiveness.

[@tubaterry]

@@riccardopiccinini666 lol yes! It took me a LONG time to remember to leave extra room for gas cars to shift gears

[@redbaron6805]

@Yar Nunya Not following your claim here. Most Turbo gasoline cars are 4 cylinder and the peak torque happens high in the RPM range. Diesel cars have some lower end torque but none have peak torque available at 0 RPM like electric cars.

[@dougrobinson8602]

Thanks for a clear, concise breakdown of the pros and cons of EV's. No EV fanboy swooning, and no V8 (Because 'Murica) nonsense, either. EV acceptance will boil down to infrastructure and EV density in a particular area for those that require that infrastructure to operate their EV's. Where I am, the nasty winters really eat into range, and charging stations are fewer. When I retire in a couple years to the USA Southwest, I will definitely be in an EV for daily use with a gas-fed toy or two for the joy of shifting. Solar panels on the roof are part of that plan as well, and will lessen the footprint even more.

[@thredlordtv]

Here in norway there is no doubt that electric is the way to go. They are cheaper, electricity is way cheaper then fuel with an avarge price of 1,5$ pr liter and they can drive in bus lanes. There are more benefits other then that aswell.

[@lucasvanhamburg4937]

sweden has crazy fuel prizes aswell, AND high taxes, because we have so many laze people that wont work...

[@nealp885]

Those high fuel prices are intentionally made insanely expensive to make people not want to pay for it.

[@lucasvanhamburg4937]

@@nealp885 yeah thats what they make you think. the prizes are high because the government wants to get money, first, they take some of your salary, then you have to pay to own a house, then u have to pay five different costs to own a car, then they tax the electricity, then they take some more of ur money when u buy something. they just spread it out so it doesnt look so bad. in reality its around 80% of our money that goes to the government. but why? so they can play with thier rockets and nuclear weapons and of course pretend to be good for the enviroment and build a bunch of wind farms when nuclear is better in all ways.

[@redbaron6805]

@@lucasvanhamburg4937 What a bunch of crazy drivel. The government of Norway is taxing you to build rockets and nuclear weapons...??? You need to get your head examined.

[@lucasvanhamburg4937]

@@redbaron6805 I was not talking specifically about norway, but they do build rockets. And they are member of NATO.

[@chrisr897]

This is the best HONEST EV/ICE video. It is 100% true you don’t understand how awesome it is to have a full battery every morning until you get a plug in. Charging at home is MORE convenient than buying gas!

[@jdonalds2001]

Often people make an arguement concerning the environment effects of manufacturing batteries. You didn't mention that aspect.

[@slamdvw]

He touched on it, towards the end. No real details, but it was mentioned.

[@redbaron6805]

He did mention it a bit quickly, but the entire footprint of electric cars, including manufacturing the car and the battery is still cleaner than a gas car in most states. Also keep in mind that the chart he is using is from 2015, and the chart has moved even more in favor of EV's in 2020 due to massive phase out of coal power in the USA..

[@ramadhanisme7]

@@redbaron6805 what about the cost from mining rare earth element? The environment impact is even worse

[@magnamic5614]

ramadhanisme, No it’s not.

[@redbaron6805]

@@ramadhanisme7 EV's don't really have much rare earths if any. Even the batteries are mostly Nickel, along with Aluminum, Copper and Graphite. Lithium and Cobalt make up a small fraction of the total.

[@Jcewazhere]

Side note about the eGolf and the Fiat 500e: They are fun, and relatively cheap; but even as an avid electric fan that sub 100 mile range was worrying. Logically I knew they had far more range than I would need 90% of the time, but when you get on the highway with the AC on and see that range meter dropping almost 3 miles for every mile you're going it's unsettling. I think the newer eGolf's have more range, but don't quote me on that. The one I test drove was just over 100 miles. The eGolf is just like the gas version 4 door Golf. The 500e is just like the gas Fiat. That's the problem though, neither was designed to be an EV. They're basically conversions. Well done ones, but it's still better to design a vehicle from the ground up to be an EV.

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

Buying a car that you can use only for driving around corners is useless. Imagine petrol car with 10l tank. Even if you´d have a petrol station in your courtyard, id would become annoying. Even if you don´t need it, it´s better to have it and not use it, than need it and don´t have it.

[@redbaron6805]

@@Morpheus-pt3wq All depends on your setup. If you only drive 20 to 30 miles a day and charge it every night. A short range EV could work fine for your needs. Some people have been perfectly happy with a 500e or a Spark, or even the iMiev.

[@josebetancourt6555]

I own 01 integra 400 miles to a tank 2017 altima 600 miles to the tank. I'm good. Love what I've learned tho so thank you EE

[@looptj]

Great video, thanks! I would like to see more information on the manufacturing / total carbon footprint of ICE vs EV, emissions is only one environmental component.

[@redbaron6805]

The total carbon footprint of ICE cars will always be far higher than EV's. The additional emissions during manufacturing of an EV are offset typically within 12 to 18 months. Over 90% of lifetime emissions of a typical car comes from burning fuel. Barely 5% to 10% comes from manufacturing.

[@maxdavies9958]

I just like the sound, look, feel and smell of combustion engines as well as the ability to modify them to your hearts content.

[@gwarlow]

Enjoy the stink, noise and inefficiency of your internal combustion engine as long as you can. Remember, people who owned horses and buggies probably said the same things as you... at one time. Best wishes holding on to the past. Cheers.

[@maxdavies9958]

@@gwarlow Well they aren't inefficient nowadays, probably one of the most developed and refined forms of power generation. Currently they are faster than electric. They will still be developed far into the future, like the steam engine is with the extreme amounts of torque it can push. Power stations use steam to generate electricity.

[@haxi52]

Great vid. My only gripe is you glossed over the "do you have a place to charge at home". If you have electricity in your home, you can charge your car. I've been using a standard 110 outlet in my garage for almost a year and I love not having to go to a gas station... ever.

[@YKSGuy]

No one ever seems to mention how much gas people use up letting their ICE car warm up long enough to defrost or defog the windshield in winter. Nowhere near the range loss on an EV but it is still there, especially in very cold climates in winter.

[@specialopsdave]

There is no range loss on EVs or plug-in hybrids if you heat them before unplugging

[@S3XY-00]

I must say ur the most honest KZbinr out there, I’m tired of these pro ICE cars only who demonize EVs religiously.. for the sake “old is best” or “batteries are more harmful” a lot of them don’t even know batteries can be 1. Recycled 2. Repaired (don’t need to swap it), 3. Last a very long time and have adequate warranty to the point people usually sell it before anything happens (I’m planning to keep mine as long as possible). But kudos to you, you have given both ice and ev justice and told it exactly how it is. I’ve had my model y for 8 mounths now and I’m saving anywhere between $4-5k per year in petrol alone (then comes service etc ). Like u said I never ever think about petrol starions cause I have always plenty of. Charge and only plan for that once or twice long trip per year (I live in Aus). And let’s face it when ur on holidays ur not really in a rush u can spare 20min Not sure what the fuss is about. Let’s not forget my Tesla won’t need brakes for a very long time sometimes more than 10 years. No belts, spark plugs, oils, gearbox issues, shafts, n anything associated with an internal combustion engine. The most smooth n responsive drive u can imagine. Ps I have 3phase solar 10kw system got it installed cheap, which is how I nearly pay nothing for driving, each hour adds 70km of range. So again like u said there’s plenty of time to charge it back.and that system powers both my house n car, last bills were : $170 and $360 per quarter.

[@ruschman96]

I’d be curious about the environment impact of used car batteries and how that’s managed. ICE can be melted down and remade. What do they do with used car batteries? Thank you for your videos

[@jayw900]

Cobalt and nickel are easier to handle and while lithium can be recycled, it is a difficult(read expensive) process right now. There are pilot plants doing testing but will still be several years before it takes off.

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

First step for a used car battery is generally as a second life battery in a less intense environment like a house battery then recycled years later

[@Jcewazhere]

Lead batteries are among the most recycled things on the planet. Asphalt is the most recycled in case you're curious. Lithium, aluminum, cobalt, copper, etc are all just as recyclable as steel and aluminum in combustion engines. The same goes for the silicon, glass, aluminum and other stuff in solar panels. Technically everything is recyclable if you throw enough energy at it, but raw elements like the ones used in batteries and motors is easier to recycle.

[@hhcosminnet]

Batteries are recycled firstly by getting a second life as a static energy storage for chargers/home energy storage where they could still be useful an extra 10-20-30 years. For the dead batteries I guess we would be able to recycle them.

[@hhcosminnet]

Please mention that the price of gas in USA is 2 usd/gal (~50 cents/litter), but many of your subscribers are from Europe and we pay 1-2 euros/litter so our fuel price is a lot different. Driving around with a longer range ev (400km+) should also be no problem. You just have to plan a bit better. You state that in winter the range can drop up to 40%, but fail to say that some do better than others especially the ones actively cooled/heated batteries, like your model 3. Your battery will not degrade so much because of the extra charging because of winter, especially if you have a better managed battery one that is actively thermally regulated.

[@RaderizDorret]

Glad to see that EVs are improving. However, there is one quibble I have in comparing an EV to ICE: the overall life of the vehicle. A well-engineered and properly maintained ICE vehicle can remain functional for multiple decades. Many EVs I'm seeing need total battery replacement around the 10 or 15 year mark. Given the bulk of the EV's emissions cost overall stems from the resources and energy required to build those battery packs, this means the lower emissions in the back end is canceled out as you need to make more batteries (or entirely new vehicles) to replace those that are ending their service lives. Obviously, this will improve with better engineering, technology, and developing methods to recycle the various components, but for now I'm sticking to ICE.

[@randomvideosn0where]

One of the biggest advantages I see in EV is that you are moving the combustion away from people. Vehicles are a huge source of pollution in cities so by reducing combustion (and brake wear) in cities that will improve health.

[@jonass1285]

I think it's only fair to tell you that you're one of the reasons I'm studying Automotive Engineering today.

[@christophermcguinness3163]

Is it possible to do a series on recycling of electric car batteries? I'm not sure how much info is out there, but it would be nice to know what happens at the end of the lifecycle of them and what kind of impact that might have as well! Hopefully battery technology improves to the point where recycling is possible/much easier where we don't have to manufacture new batteries, but refurbish old ones.

[@jamesbecker4326]

One additional point. People constantly say, 'what about when I need to drive 1500 miles to xyz city? I say 'rent a car and put all the miles on someone elses vehicle whether you have an EV or an ICE.

[@NickTarterOKC]

I am personally excited about extended range plug in hybrids. This seems smart for people who enjoy traveling off the beaten paths, but who also want to lower emissions. The Jeep Wrangler 4xe, the F150 hybrid, and other vehicles like these make a lot of sense. I love the idea of being able to commute on electric, but have the engine ready to kick in when I want to explore or for long trips. One day I'm sure electric technology will advance to the point where range won't be much of an issue, but that day is not today. ICEs still have a place until then.

[@Ben.N]

hmm yes

[@VoxelLoop]

Something else worth noting is that in Europe the scene is very different to the US in terms of vehicle emissions. Our vehicles can fail their emissions tests very easily, meaning you could buy a brand new car, but it's no longer road-worthy in 3 years due to stricter emissions regulations coming into place. This happened recently with any black smoke at any RPM/load on diesels being a fail condition for the annual inspection in the UK. (Known as the 'MOT') On top of this... Pre-COVID, the price of petrol and diesel in the UK was around $6.40~ per US gallon. (£1.30~ per litre) Though electricity is more expensive here too, it's still only £0.24 per KW at a Supercharger ($0.33, though US Superchargers are pay per minute not per KW), and at home around £0.14 per KW ($0.19) depending on your area. Give or take, a decently efficient modern petrol/diesel car (40 to 50 mpg) will get around 100 miles for £10 ($13.81), whereas a Model 3 will get around 200 miles for the same price at a Supercharger and closer to 400 miles from charging at home. :)

[@turningpoint4238]

With emissions we also have to remember it's not just CO2 and where a pollutant is released. Another reason to buy a electric car (mainly taking about a Tesla) is it's the safest car to be in when it comes to accidents, I put a very high monetary value on my families safety. How much is your family worth? Looking forward to getting either a Model y and/or a CyberUte here in Australia (in a very rural area) and electric will be far cheaper and more convenient than fossil fuel (can be difficult to fill up here, as well as expensive). Although just found out Caterham are here in Australia so the wife has said I can have one once I make over $2 million, luckily I invested in Tesla a while ago.

[@christophermcguinness3163]

Not quite sure where you're getting that from, most US safety lists don't feature the Tesla since a wreck that could expose the battery to air would cause the whole car to go up in flames. I know one of the most frequent cars is usually a Toyota Camry or Honda Accord.

[@vishal-singh]

If you live in Queensland, then don't bother getting an EV for environmental considerations. It runs on dead dinosaurs.

[@christophermcguinness3163]

@M Bacon thank you. That's puts it into some perspective. I guess my biggest worry would definitely be the cells possibly combusting during a crash, but they've probably put a ton of money into a secure way to store them to avoid liability issues.

[@turningpoint4238]

@@christophermcguinness3163 How often do Tesla's catch fire compared to ICE vehicles? The information is out there.

[@turningpoint4238]

@@vishal-singh Thats changing and also many people have solar panels and directly charge at home. There have been several universities including MIT that have used the dirtiest sources of electricity in the comparisons and EV's are still considerably better.

[@Sibs]

Another thing to consider is if your work location provides charging. Mine does and it's free, so I save around $200/month on fuel alone. My general recommendation is to only get an EV if you have access to charging on a daily basis, either at home or work.

[@redbaron6805]

Home or office charging makes owning an EV far easier for sure. People have done it using public chargers, but it takes a bit more planning and having one relatively near by or close to places you frequent makes it a lot easier.

[@bj.bruner]

Nuclear power + EVs = CO2 free, reliable energy. Change my mind

[@Pferdesalami]

Nuclear waste, enough said

[@bj.bruner]

@Paul Nobert I meant to say that nuclear energy is free of CO2 emissions, not that it doesn't cost anything. Sorry if there was any confusion.

[@bj.bruner]

@@Pferdesalami The nuclear waste in thorium reactors (which are more efficient and safer than the current uranium reactors) is much safer and has almost no potential to create nuclear weapons.

[@Pferdesalami]

@@bj.bruner there are no thorium reactors and never will, because they are salt reactors and no material withstand the radiation and the salt combined.

[@Pferdesalami]

@Paul Nobert that is bulshit, even today a battery pack is at 70% at 350,000 km, so far away from beiing useless, but at 70% of its capazity normaly the battery will be replaced. So when you are going down to 50% you can even drive longer with a battery pack, i assume 500,000 km much longer as the most combustion engines are running. And producing a new combustion engine isn´t co2 free at all.

[@zzanatos2001]

If you take infrequent road trips through remote areas, you can always rent an internal combustion vehicle. I currently have two old-but-reliable ICE vehicles. My short-term plan is to drive them until they are ready for the scrapyard. After that, who knows.

[@johnleeinslc]

Curious about the ‘one car family’ argument against owning an EV. Living in the middle of nowhere (actually is a town motto) with an LRAWD Model 3, it’s a no compromise car that is more convenient than a combustion vehicle 99% of the time.

[@Jcewazhere]

I agree that the Tesla's are great, but the cheapest one's I've seen for sale are still well over $20,000. That's why I got a Bolt, 'only' $16,000 for the Premier with all the features. The only reasonably affordable EVs (sub $10k) are the sub 100 mile range ones. Even as a fan of electric that range worried me when I was test driving them. If I had gotten an eGolf or Fiat 500e I would've had to keep my Impreza too for trips to the mountains or anywhere else more than ~40 miles from home without worry.

[@hhcosminnet]

That also rubs me the wrong way. I've been living in the country side on top of a hill. I do not have gas but do have electricity and I could charge a ev. I was thinking that if I had a 400km+(~250mi) compact SUV I could comfortably get away with home charging and do almost all of my trips. Thing is that if I would go to some friends house I could charge there as well and could skip almost all public charging.

[@Hubris2]

I expect the reasoning is that a 2 car family can use an EV for reduced costs on commuting and standard use, but still have an extra ICE vehicle that offers more convenience for road trips without having to plan for charging. He didn't talk about renting for road trips, but using your own vehicle - so since convenience was one of the factors he considered, your 'only' choice for a road trip being one where you might need to worry about charging could be less than ideal. It likely wouldn't matter to someone who was excited about EVs, but this is aimed at a person who just sees a car as transport and might not be willing to change behavior as a result.

[@johnleeinslc]

Hubris2, I’m guessing that you do not own a Tesla, or you would already know that unless your idea of a road trip is juggling a hamburger and a steering wheel, a Model 3 is already more convenient for 95% of road trips than a comparable ICE vehicle. How convenient it is to travel in a Tesla is just not understood by non Tesla drivers. Planing for charging entails deciding if I want to eat Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner. If the answer is yes, then the only inconvenience is choosing a restaurant near a supercharger, and with superchargers being added every single day, those options keep expanding. If I were driving an ICE vehicle I would still stop for meals, and then also make two or more stops per day for gas. Truth be told, I usually make a hundred more miles per day tripping Tesla Model 3 than in my previous Impreza. The trips I would choose my Tacoma for over my Model 3 are only those where I need the 12” clearance.

[@alanhorn8253]

Every day is not the average day. Sometimes you need to go far on very short notice and the risk of being stuck with a dead car is not worth taking.

[@MikeSmith-tu1ln]

Nobody talks about safety. I know me and my wife don’t want to have to stop in unknown dimly lit areas for hours to charge.

[@Starry_Night_Sky7455]

Good point.

[@crumbschief5628]

They are getting better but I do (as the video says) plan my trips thinking of where I am stopping.

[@kevinfletcher1999]

I just got a quote from Direct Line (UK) for a model 3. It was HALF what I pay now for my Hyundai i10. I do have 9 years no claims.

[@_M27_]

For me their are multiple reason. 1. I like manuals 2. The lack of (V8) sound 3. Their range 4. The lack of a ICE makes it just boring and not as exciting as driving stick. Don't get me wrong electric cars are fast but they just hit different it's the lack of all of the above mentioned reasons but it's also the fact that in my opinion they lack a certain kind of aura. They don't give me as James May would put it "the fuzz". But I can respect why people would drive them.

[@theknivjocke]

If you like ICE, I would recommend a motorcycle. Cars are boring.

[@CarlosElPeruacho]

That's fair, personal taste should account for decisions made. I personally hate driving manual anymore, having driven my old Mustang back and forth through Seattle traffic for years, I welcome giving my shoulder a break from all the action these days. At this point I drive out of necessity, and only around town mostly. EV all day... at least when my current ICE vehicles eventually die... which sucks, because every time I change my oil, I'm prolonging the life of a vehicle I'd rather not have anymore, them's the breaks I guess.

[@jayw900]

@@theknivjocke Agreed

[@alex86devapath]

That was think that hold me back for a while since I’ve driven manual my entire life. My last car a WRX was lots of fun. But now I love my model 3 SR+. Occasionally I still miss the stick shift, but the other pro of a EV Made it worted for me but I can see how they are not for everyone.

[@_M27_]

@@theknivjocke a good friend of mine said exactly the same lol but motorcycles are just not for me I like only cars.

[@markmuir7338]

If Tesla’s new batteries pan out, with >80% reduction in manufacturing energy, the environmental story will shift even further towards EVs. And if other manufacturers can use it too, we could see plug-in hybrids with 100 miles electric range - great for people who can’t charge at home.

[@chuckm260]

True, but those improvements will not be available for a few years and that assumes the additional testing and scaling up attempts are successful (i.e. profitable).

[@Muskar2]

Tesla's aspiration with their current pilot lines is to get to a $25k car with 300+ miles of range in 3 years. Call that 4 years to adjust for Elon time, but the TCO of that thing is going to outcompete virtually any road legal ICE car that I know of. 5 years further down the line and the second-hand market will be flooded with millions of affordable Tesla's with good value and range that covers 99.9% of most people's needs. How is the hybrid appealing with BEV tech improving so much every year?

[@StevePimen]

Bought my Nissan Leaf in 2011, paid $32,000 cash, no tax on EV in Washington State, made ~100kMiles. NO maintenance during little then a decade -- CHANGED TIRES ONLY -- once !!. Driving 100k on an ICE requires 5000 gallons of gas for regular 20mpg ICE car. Let's multiply 5000 gl * $3.5/gl = $17500!! My Leaf even has original auxiliary 12VDC battery that constantly charged by original build-in 1 sq. ft solar panel. Best commuter in the World.

[@rucarnuts13]

I want to go electric, but there’s nothing that compelling to me that’s currently on-market. I like the Teslas the most as cars, but their quality control issues and anti-right-to-repair stance sours the deal and everything else doesn’t have enough range to cope with the cold temperatures and rural nature of my area. What I’m hoping is that battery tech trickles down to aftermarket manufacturers and EV conversion kits for older cars become both practical and cheap. I’d be happy to drop $10K and convert a VW Beetle, Chevrolet Corvair, or Honda CVCC to electric and daily something cool and unique that I could repair myself.

[@niffrig]

It already has, there are crate conversion kits. But $10k is not likely.

[@rucarnuts13]

niffrig - Not yet, at least. Battery technology is getting better every day and the costs are tumbling. I could see an LS-sized motor-and-battery package with a guaranteed 150-200 mile range for $10K or less becoming available in the next 10-15 years.

[@Taskarnin]

I've been following the ICE vs EV discussion for a long time. I think this is one of the more fair videos on the topic and he hit all the major points. Like that he discussed plug ins. I think these are not discussed enough and can be a great deal used. I get all the advantages of an EV on my daily commute in my volt with none of the road trip drawbacks. I do think we need to be more careful when discussing which is better for the environment. I've seen many life cycle (cradle to grave) assessments that assume an insane number of miles that you could never put on your EV because you won't be road tripping it. Ultimately I agree that in most locations EV are cleaner. However you really need to sit down and examine your specific situation of you're serious about the environment. For example my parents might put 5000 miles on a vehicle annually. They drive very little. So little in fact that you never offset the higher production cost (in pollution terms) of an EV because you're not driving enough miles to offset gasoline usage. In short, stop and have a think like he's discussing and check assumptions on the days you're looking at. Then make your choice 🙂.

[@juliahello6673]

5000 miles is half of average. So instead of 4-8 months to recoup the CO2 emissions of manufacturing your parents would take 8-16 months.

[@redbaron6805]

Yeah, the claim that the vehicle will never offset the CO2 manufacturing deficit is quite a stretch. It would take longer, but it would reach parity in just more time than normal. It would however get there in a few years.

[@Taskarnin]

That's fine you all can regurgitate facts without calculating the numbers yourself. If you actually read the reports you can adjust the numbers based on your own assumptions for your individual situation.

[@andrasbiro3007]

For convenience I prefer electric cars, even though I can't charge at home and only have on car. I can charge at a 5 minute walking distance, which I find much less inconvenient than visiting a gas station. Walking is also healthy and I do it anyway. Also gas cars require a ton of maintenance and break often. And I love that I can turn on the AC from my phone. Especially in winter when I can simply melt the ice and snow, and don't have to manually remove them with hard work in the freezing cold. And I don't have to wait for the engine to warm up, I have heating and I have performance immediately, only regenerative braking is limited while the battery is cold, but preheating helps with that too. And a Tesla is even more convenient in many ways. In other cars you have to push a ton of buttons before you can drive, even in the most modern ones. In a Tesla you step on the brake, put it into drive with one finger, and that's it. Unless you have a pin code set, which is highly recommended, but even that's not a big deal. And when you stop, you just get out of the car and leave, nothing else. It puts itself into park, turns off and locks itself. The Model X even opens and closes the door for you. I also love the Tesla app. In theory gas cars could have most of the same features, but they generally don't. Just one example, I can unlock and lock the car on my phone, which is super convenient when I want to let someone to access the trunk. With most other cars I have to use the key which has very limited range, and no feedback. And it's also worth mentioning that the Model 3 and Y have much more advanced heat management, so they don't lose nearly as much range as other EVs in winter. I'm also buying 100% clean electricity from my utility.

[@AlbinoFuzWolf]

"gas cars break often" Stop buying domestic lol

[@andrasbiro3007]

@@AlbinoFuzWolf I bought Volkswagen before going electric. That's supposed to be the highest quality you can get. Maybe Japanese cars are maybe more reliable, but when they break, repairs are slow and expensive (in Europe at least).

[@AlbinoFuzWolf]

@@andrasbiro3007 I have a 16 year old subaru, I'd drive it across the country and nothing ever cost more than 300 to fix at the most.

[@Bobbybeb]

I bought a new mustang gt in 2019 and daily it 25k miles a year and I absolutely love it. There are no cost savings lol. I would like to buy a Tesla but the build quality and long wait time for parts have kept me away.

[@Delitor]

just get a model 3 since the quality of a mustang is garbage anyway.

[@Buzzingali]

Here in Europe hybrid or plug in is even more a better deal when 1 gal cost around 7 dollars

[@DrHouse-zs9eb]

Cost is the biggest buying reason? Probably never have been in germany.

[@MarinelliBrosPodcast]

?

[@MacTechG4]

Currently, I don’t have a garage, and have no place to install a L2 charger Also, my current vehicle gets 480-500 miles per tank and gets 34-48 MPG depending on how much fun I have My car (certified preowned with 50k on the odometer at purchase, with 120k powertrain/emissions warranty and 2 year unlimited bumper to bumper warranty) only cost $9,000 ‘12 VW Golf TDI

[@Libertylute]

Emissions warranty on a VW TDI?? Well, I guess they are guaranteed to emit a lot of pollution...

[@MacTechG4]

@@Libertylute; with the diesel particulate filter (and the Diesel Exhaust Fluid on the 2015+ models), the actual tailpipe emissions are no dirtier than gasoline cars.

[@Libertylute]

@@MacTechG4 Two more maintenance items to force you to expend time and effort, if not expense, to take care of, that are absent from BEVs.

[@jeremyh4180]

He forgot about the fact of where and how those batteries are made, then getting rid of those batteries after their life.

[@jimboTTT]

actually he did not. he has a whole video dedicated about it

[@markeyfarrell]

@@jimboTTT - Well, actually, in this video, which the OP was referring, he did. Even in that video you cite, he glossed over the recycling or other damage to the environment for getting rid of huge EV batteries. These EV batteries are generally NOT renewable.

[@FefyGT]

I live in Rome, I don't own a garage. A Renault Zoe costs 32k euros, my old c2 costs me 1000 euros per year in gasoline. Why should I switch to electric? Considering that now a big diesel car costs around 20k. They are doing it wrong, not enough incentives for ev and not enough disincentive for ice.

[@NazimUdDin-tg8jg]

you never talk about having EV in hot climate, hot means really hot climate like 45+ celcius ambient temperature.

[@markusstrobl1067]

I have an old (2013) Tesla in Texas. Summers are 40C+. I've had the car for 7 years and the heat has never been a problem. Range is about 10%-15% lower when the AC runs all the time. So in my experience cold has a big impact on range but heat doesn't.

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

@Right Round thats why most brands have thermal management

[@lighto2240]

@@markusstrobl1067 How many times did you replace the battery?

[@AzuriteReverb]

Right Round This is true when there is no active thermal management. Nissan infamously didn’t provide an active cooling solution for their Leaf batteries, hence they’re rapid degradation. Most other EVs have thermal management including those from Tesla, GM, and BMW

[@markusstrobl1067]

@@lighto2240 It's the original battery and degradation is small, only about 5% compared to new. Tesla has excellent thermal management of the battery and never lets it get too hot.

[@engtrax58]

What about solar energy?! 1) how reliable is it in certain states?! 2) what is the carbon footprint in the manufacture of panels?! 3) how much acreage (agricultural land) we will need for all the solar panels farms?! If you install them to far from cities then, you need more land for transmission lines etc??

[@singular9]

The reason I can't/won't buy an electric car. My state has 4 super chargers total. There are 8 more high power chargers. All thing's considered, this lack of chargers, plus the long distances between them, means that I will spend more time charging my tesla, than driving it. My camry gets me 500 miles of range on a tank of gas, costs 20$ to fill up on avg, and can be filled up on the fly. Sure, I will probably be charging at home, but on a weekend, I travel on average 200 miles, if not a bit more. So a basic tesla would need to be charged at least once during this time, as, there are no chargers in the places I go to. This means I would have to kill time out of my day to find chargers, or hope I make it home with 0 miles remaining. Also, If a plug in charger gets you 3-4 miles of range per hour, even after 12 hours of charge at home, I won't be able to get to work and back. Welcome to the suburbs. Unless you live in a city, forget about electric. So yea. Charging is the issue for me. I think hybrids and plugins are here to stay and will be more prominent than full electric for a long time, simply because convenience.

[@knroo-j1487]

Sounds like a level 2 charger would serve you better, where you can get rates between 30-45m/h. Charging from a standard 110v wall outlet is the slowest and nets 2-5m/h. I'm also in the burbs and 200 miles on a Tesla rated for 300ish is fine. The Camry is a fine car, so I wouldn't change your current situation to force an EV into your life, but for onlookers, it's totally workable.

[@dustman96]

The charging network is growing like crazy, and the range on EV's is set to get much better. Another 3-5 years and you might find it practical.

[@dustman96]

It is super easy to hook up a 240 outlet assuming you have 2 spaces in your main panel for a double pole breaker. Or you can just use your dryer outlet if it is nearby. May need an adapter. If you do that you want to make sure you aren't charging at a rate that's over the capacity of that circuit.

[@TassieLorenzo]

As they say on BBC QI, "Other electric cars are available!" ;) Surely superchargers or lack thereof, only affects one vehicle brand?

[@redbaron6805]

The entire claim makes very little sense. Your entire state only has 4 Superchargers?! You live in Wyoming or Alaska or something? A Camry has typically a 15 to 16 gallon fuel tank. Gas is typically $2.20 to $2.40 so a tank of gas is nowhere close to $20, around $30 to $35 maybe. Also, a Tesla has 325 to 400 miles of range, even a short range Tesla has 220 miles of range. And a 240V L2 charger would charge at 40 to 48 miles per hour, even a dryer outlet would charge at 24 to 28 miles an hour.

[@isaac198428]

Besides having range anxiety and hating to babysit an EV car at charging stations for up to an hr and the lack of infrastructure everywhere, I’d be going crazy thinking that every time I’m fast-charging my car I’m speeding up the battery degradation. And also if I ever risk running out of juice, the ONLY solution out of that is a tow truck. With an ICE, I know if I ren out of gas (which is extremely rare with the vast number of gas stations) I can pull over and hitch a ride to a gas station, buy a gas can and bring gas back to my immobilized vehicle. For now I’m content with the ICE vehicles flexible lifestyle. It’s not like I change the oil or the engine/transmission breaks down often. People buying EVs make it sound like an ICE vehicles just starts falling apart left and right even if you take care of it. It can go for years before any major failures. lol

[@fcv1967]

Tesla Model 3 is the slowest depreciating car.

[@brois841]

Depends if you live by internet graphs or in reality. My wife was interested in the Model S so we got a quote for a trade-in with Tesla and my Model 3 LR AWD is worth over $10k less (even factoring in the tax incentives) a year after buying it. I'm not complaining, if I bought a new BMW at the same price it would also lose as much. You also have to factor in that if you were an early adopter, Tesla keeps dropping prices on new cars or offering more standard features (for example, I paid $3k for autopilot, now it's included). In the end, I'd say if you're in the 'luxury market' space, Tesla offers the most luxury for the money. It's quiet and smooth like a Rolls Royce, fast like a Porsche, steering feel better than BMW and has no competition from a technology perspective. Love it, unless something changes in the market, I'm only buying Tesla's from here on out.

[@savagetuner2404]

Nobody actually cares though, it's a crap car

[@feritales5756]

@@brois841 Okay, but that "depreciated" price is trade-in with a Dealership, and not the real second-hand price. If I were a Dealer Shark I would also give you 10% for your trade-in, or even less, If I can get you to agree. Among ordinary common folk, Tesla depreciation is far less. Was it Tesla who gave you that offer for the trade-in?

[@brois841]

@@feritales5756 yes this was a quote from Tesla.

[@hewhoisdom]

Always informative! Are you accounting for emissions from power plants?

[@rps1689]

Depends on the the type of power plant. EV recharged by a coal plant puts out half the CO2 as a gasoline car the same size doing the same trip and even much better in stop and go commuter congestion.

[@UkSapyy]

In a few years time my next car will be electric for no other reason than its the future.

[@PrimalMiltos]

You forgot the main reason: governments are pushing them down people's throats with huge subsidies (malinvesting tax payers' money) that the gasoline cars never enjoyed when they replaced the horse carriage. I mean it takes as much time to charge an EV as it takes to feed a horse. Fake future.

[@alanpeterson6768]

This should be EV 101. This is the best pro and con conversation that I've seen, and it's all at a level anyone can understand. Okay, maybe you've glossed over the long distance, point-to-point a bit, but you have the supercharger network. My Bolt would not travel as well (but we have a PHEV as well). Great vid!

[@wrigman]

The one thing you didn’t mention during the environment section is, the amount of earth that needs to be excavated in FT3 to obtain the minerals to make one battery. Also how the land is left after the mining is done...... I believe Hydrogen to be the better technology, but there is very little money in it for our elected officials....

[@YorMudders]

Are we not talking about the process of oil drilling? Transporting oil? Making gasoline and diesel out of it and then burning it? Hydrogen isn't clean as well. You still need to transport it and most hydrogen is made from natural gas (if I'm correct). If you want clean the best option is to ride a bicycle or use public transport. If those are not the options and you need to use a car, then electric is the best way to go.

[@slamdvw]

I wonder if the metal mines reclaim the land like coal mines do?

[@hi-gf5yl]

@@YorMudders yes most hydrogen is made industrially from methane and maybe other natural gases. Hydrogen can be made cleanly by using electricity derived from renewables to electrolyze water, but this is very inefficient. Hydrogen might be viable if electricity generation becomes cheap enough that the inefficiency doesn't matter. It could replace gasoline as a cleaner fuel, but electric will probably be more popular anyways as most people don't go on long road trips. Another thing to consider is that hydrogen has to be compressed or stored at very low temperatures to reduce the volume it takes up; I hypothesize that biofuels, such as biogasoline, rather than hydrogen, might replace gasoline in the future. Either way, electric will likely dominate.

[@VinceVDC]

There were rolling blackouts in California last summer. Does the electrical grid have the capacity to support a major shift to electric vehicles?

[@JeremyAkersInAustin]

Yes: Look up "duck curve". Not only is there capacity but EVs actually help evenn out the demand curve. The challenge operators have managing the grid is that there are huge peaks and valleys in electric demand, which is made worse by solar production during the middle of the day. When demand goes up as the sun goes down at 4-6pm they have to fire up generating plants that were sitting idle all day. Then when demand drops back down at 8-10pm those power generating stations get shut down again. It's very inefficient and costly to have these power stations that only run a few hours of the day. Having a more constant level of demand is more efficient than constantly firing up plants and shutting them down. As such: Home EV charging stations are set up to charge overnight when electric demand is at it's lowest (Many are even Internet connected and can get signals from the grid to know when the best time to charge is), and office/workplace EV chargers are typically charging when solar is at it's maximum production. This actually evens out the demand curve and makes it easier for grid operators to manage the supply of energy. Furthermore: Some EVs today (and more will in the future) have the ability to *export* power from their battery pack. So an EV plugged in can actually assist the grid during a period of high demand to help prevent rolling blackouts.

[@0hypnotoad0]

@@JeremyAkersInAustin Million dollar idea for a tech startup,: make a wifi-enabled EVSE that is synchronized with the grid output. During "idle" hours the EVSE charges at 2000 watts, when the peak solar output start coming onto the grid, the EVSE gets signalled and ramps up to 7600 watts, or any other wattage, as required. If you have tens of thousands EV's doing this, you could seamlessly smooth power output on demand. Such "smart" chargers could be eligible for rebates from power companies, and publicly installed units could let people charge for free, to make them enticing to install and use.

[@suijinnoname6412]

You don't even know why there were blackouts in CA last summer. A hint to you is that EVs won't impact the electrical grid at all there. Gasoline also needs electricity to pump, FYI.

[@SofaKingTouge]

I have 6 cars at the moment. I just don't see myself ever buying an electric car. My main car for driving around town is a 97 volvo 960 I bought for $1100 2 years ago. Spent around $1000 on repairs. $2100 total in 2 year. Can't beat that. Also it can town my car to the track.

[@dragonskunkstudio7582]

ICE VS Electric Is this a reupload?

[@HavokStrifeX]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@dragonskunkstudio7582]

@Right Round More like I would hand over the article to someone else and ask if it's a reprint.

[@HavokStrifeX]

@@dragonskunkstudio7582 I couldn't find it in his videos page, but I'm either from another dimension or he made a vid almost exactly like this not too long ago.

[@boba12377]

You already know that we don't install charger at home. We install an 220V electrical outlet (shown by you) as it provide more power than 110V outlet. The charger (AC to DC) is inside the car. Mentioning this may help some folks.

[@wombatdk]

Damn, an actual, honest look at ICE vs EV. Congrats.

[@blackdragon9077]

We lost power in Houston,TX for Days Last year and my Friend had One of theses EV She didn’t have power to move around, was stuck this makes me think if the Grid was to ever go down EV Vehicle’s would be dead in The Water and you won’t be able to get out the Cities in case of Emergency.

[@sjgoff]

Another point to make is as government moves to "cleaner" energy, the cost of that energy will rise. We can barely keep up with demand as is (see California's massive electricity deficit). That is with using cheap and abundant oil and natural gas and a small amount of "clean" energy.

[@NuMooX]

Solar and Wind on your property will help keep that cost down or possibly eliminate it. Of the Grid living 😁.

[@Brandon-uy1uv]

@@NuMooX solar and wind is cheap, what is expensive are the certified grid tied inverters

[@eDoc2020]

Solar generation is already cheaper than fossil fuel for new generation capacity and is steadily getting cheaper over time due to Swanson's law. If renewables aren't your thing, nuclear is cleaner than fossil fuel while costing about the same and being safer overall. Modern nuclear plants are nothing like Chernobyl's.

[@alexthesniper1952]

@@NuMooX problem with renewables is their lack of energy output per dollar. A Miilon dollar windmill or solar array will generate up to 10x less energy per dollar compared to Natural Gas bought at the same price.

[@redbaron6805]

@@alexthesniper1952 That is a false equivalent. Over time, renewable energy will be cheaper to operate due to zero fuel costs.

[@pauljacobsen5908]

I have no problem with EV's per se, but it's time we stopped subsidizing them. In particular, I have a problem with EV's not paying their share of road costs, which should amount to about $15 for each 300 mile charge. Also, taxpayers should not be paying $7,500 to subsidize these expensive toys.

[@mrfourtwenty6082]

The Road infrastrukter and gas is all highly subisdized in America. The fact you have huge highways everywhere is causing Bankrupcy for many small cities. Better invest that money into puplic transport and get cars off the streets in and around Citys

[@aidenarkham]

Underrated comment

[@jimshafer970]

The comments about road trips is wrong in that the time to charge my Tesla is less than the time it takes me to hit the bathroom and buy a snack. This would be different in a Kona, eNiro or Bolt because they charge more slowly. But the extra time is actually good because you get to walk around and stretch your legs. Much better for your health and you will stay more attentive once you get back behind the wheel.

[@realvalue626]

love my Ev. No gas line, no oils change. Save me a ton of time.

[@paulcamire]

Saving time adds up! I drive for UBER with my BoltEV, I start my shift with a full charge from home. I would spend an hour a week going out of my way to buy gas. Extrapolate that for a year and that 1,200$ in lost productivity!

[@ijustwant2lookatvids]

@@paulcamire How long have you been using an EV for Uber? What is your charge at when you are done working? How low do you let your battery get before you recharge? What happens when a customer needs to go farther than your current range? What's the longest Uber trip you've done? i have done ride share, and I picked up a customer in a big city during rush hour, and drove them across the state. I am glad I did not use a EV for that. I would have had to sleep in the car for it to charge. Then I would have lost a few hours work just to get back to a major city. That's if I was lucky. The more likely scenario would have been me towing the car a couple hours to a charger. The drop off was a small town with high crime.

[@redbaron6805]

@@ijustwant2lookatvids Your scenario is pretty far out there. The Bolt can fast charge to 80% in about an hour, so you would hardly be sleeping in your car. Even in a large state like Texas. driving from San Antonio to Dallas would be 274 miles, so he would have to stop and charge for about 10 to 15 minutes max to drive between those cities. Hardly a deal breaker on a 4 hour trip.

[@ijustwant2lookatvids]

@@redbaron6805 No offense, but one I wasn't talking to you. I was speaking specifically to Paul Camire because they have they do what I used to do for a living, and I was talking to them directly because I wanted in depth information about what it was like. Two, I very much would have slept in my vehicle because I drove ride share full time. I would start driving at about 10 A. M. I picked up this customer around 6 P. M. The drive was about 3 hours. By the time I dropped the customer off it was after 9 P. M. I would not take a full break when I worked to avoid downtime, so lunch was 15-20 minutes maximum. Diner was consumed after I clocked out for the day. After driving about twelve hours straight I would have definitely fallen asleep waiting an hour for an electric vehicle to charge. Then again that is assuming I'd have only needed to have charged it once a day. Now that I think about it, it probably would have been driving for 9, or 10 hours with an electric vehicle because I would have to have charged it more than once a day which is another hour or 2 of income I would have lost. There were many times I drove more than 1,000 miles in a day, and most of that is high speed driving which electric vehicles are not efficient at.

[@redbaron6805]

@@ijustwant2lookatvids Your scenario doesn't make a lot of sense. You drove 1000 miles in a day?! I seriously doubt that is even possible. You would have to have back to back passengers non stop for 12 hours straight with nothing but long trips. But, even if your crazy scenario would be possible, it would be far from typical. I drive past Uber and Lyft drivers all the time sitting around waiting for rides. So, driving for a few hours, taking a 20 to 30 minute break while charging the car would not be that difficult and in many cases, there would be more than enough downtime for 99% of drivers to do that without issues.

[@christopherevans3927]

You have one life, I have driven well designed, well-engineered cars for years, many times these have delivered in so many so many different ways, enabling me to travel large distances safely for work and returned to be with my family. in comfort without wondering if there was any doubt that in most cases 1 tank of fuel would be sufficient to the trip. The new way of driving taking huge diversions with long (by comparison) times to get enough fuel to maybe have to repeat this again and all of time behind the wheel watching a large computer screen in the centre of your dash.I am alive today to a large degree by keeping my attention ahead and using peripheral vision, and of course the mirrors. my personal thought is that watching any screen in a vehicle is not a good idea, experts I think agree judging by the laws of driving behaviour, i.e phones, books or eating whilst driving an offence. Yet this screen devours your attention to the extent that whilst trying to save the world you have every chance of ending the life and a family's world at every time you spend with your eyes on that screen working out if or when you will be able to reach a destination. get a train ,, if you can, or work from home. Whatever way you look at these vehicle's that's not enjoyable.

[@SpottedSharks]

No one stares at the screen while driving a Tesla. It's not distracting at all.

[@Starry_Night_Sky7455]

@@SpottedSharks Its still a good point. Keep attention on the road. There are too many entertainment gadgets being dumped into cars. Might as well hire a driver since you're not driving. Oh wait self driving cars. Meh. No. Too much automation.

[@chuckmaddison2924]

Slightly off track, I have an electric skateboard and electric scooter. When it comes to charging and storage I follow the recommendations for lithium cells. I don't go out for ride then immediately recharge, I let cool. I don't fully charge so it's ready for if and when I want it. Don't leave it flat. Lithium has problems with both those conditions. This I do find a bit of an inconvenience . But yes love electric.

[@ljfeissmd]

Clear discussion on ICE vs E. What is your opinion on the hydrogen based fuel cell ? One video , running a Hyundai from SF to LA and back(aller-retour) gave the overall efficiency victory to E but not by much. Pretty convenient at the hydrogen “gas” stations. Subject #2 How much time left for the ICE? Gas vs Diesel..is Diesel really the criminal when it comes to the environment? I’ll admit my prejudices.. I adore my 2014 VW Golf mk7 2.0 TDI 154 hp 6-speed manual 4 motion drive... but will keep an open ear. Thanks for your reply and for your videos.

[@AlexDubois]

Can I just say that when I drive my ICE car, I feel like I am in a steam engine car compare to the electric. It is so unresponsive, slow, vibrate, is noisy, feels heavier... I'm on a mini electric as I don't need the range and prefer the fun... so not even in a Tesla...

[@Tru-Blu]

What about long-term reliability? Will we ever see an electric car last 20+ years of daily use and/or abuse?

[@james2042]

Well look at og prius for that, they're only hybrids but those electric systems still run

[@Tru-Blu]

@@james2042 I've never seen one that's over 20 years old still on the road w/ the OG battery. Plus that's a hybrid. Not a fully electric vehicle.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@Tru-Blu My work has some 2004s still running around on the stock powertrain. Last I saw they got a few less mpg than when new, but are still quite economical.

[@rscervin9950]

No. The motor and controllers would most probably be fine. The battery will most definitely not.

[@redbaron6805]

Probably not on the original battery. But very few combustion engine cars make 20 years of daily use either. The average lifespan of car in the USA is around 12 to 15 years or so.

[@garywiseman5080]

My insurance rate went down when I switched from a BMW to a much faster Tesla model S.

[@stevem7508]

What if you loose power for several hours? And you need to leave town? And yet your not on a full charge? Gas is my going

[@OmarOmar-wd5cq]

Ice: don't don't give me hope

[@karlreuning6615]

My concern with environment focuses more on operating verses big picture impact. In a NH winter a forty percent loss in range is significant. Why focus on the choice between gas and electric when a hybrid really moves us faster towards addressing big picture environmental

[@car-enthusiast3141]

First Don't buy a car with a manual transmission Then don't buy a car with an automatic transmission Then don't buy car with transmission Now don't buy an electric car Then fine I will buy a unicycle 😤!!!

[@surferdude4487]

Next up: 5 reasons you shouldn't buy a unicycle. :D

[@Jcewazhere]

If you're near Denver I've got a 1993 manual transmission Impreza for sale... I just bought a Bolt :P

[@jeremysmith9868]

You can buy an electric assist bicycle. Some even use the same Panasonic battery that is used in a Tesla and have up to 70 miles of electric range.

[@ewcm1878]

@car - enthusiast cool story bro.

[@philtripe]

i consider myself a car enthusiast... maybe years of rowing gears in my truck has soured me to manuals but honestly automatics shift great with to many gears to worry about and i dont ICE noise to enjoy driving, tire noise is really important to performance and its not like they are dead silent. most electric cars have at least a buzzing noise up to the Ford Mach E 1400 that has a really cool noise imo but the performance is like none other, the four wheel drive one just burn tire and nearly flies around a track while the two wheel drive dragster does wheelies like a funny car

[@Rob-fx2dw]

The article fails to take into consideration that the taxation on gasolene powered cars is a fact. Thre is either no or less taxation on electicity . So the comparison of costs from one county to another or within all countries is not realistic because it leaves out the cost of roads which are funded by tax on fuel.

[@rovdjur2]

I'm scared of buying an EV for one reason: The utlimate electric car is timewise just around the courner, so why buy now? Thanks for the video!

[@lonniebeal6032]

With battery replacement costing $22,000, wrecking yards will fill up with them.

[@NoName-gv6nm]

Once a decent EV can be mass produced at around $25,000, we will start seeing more EVs than ICE vehicles on the road soon after.

[@JeremyAkersInAustin]

Brand New Bolt's have been selling at 20-25k for the past several years now.

[@NoName-gv6nm]

@@JeremyAkersInAustin I don't know if you're in a different county, but in USA atleast they're $36,000 MSRP brand new.

[@JeremyAkersInAustin]

@@NoName-gv6nm No one pays MSRP. I'm in Texas and my sister just bought one for under $24k. A quick search on auto trader reveals they are under $20k in some parts of the USA.

[@NoName-gv6nm]

@@JeremyAkersInAustin supposedly GM started giving a limited time 10,000 dollar discount for the Bolt due to the pandemic. Pretty crazy! If only more EVs could be sold at this price, consistently that is. Edit: even up to 15,000 dollars off i saw in a July article. That's pretty amazing. There are actually other EV discounts as well. It's about damn time. If things do stay this way, I'll keep me previous statement. We will finally see more EVs than ever very soon. Especially with upcoming CAFE standards.

[@DiscoFang]

Hahaha More EVs on the road soon after? Utter fantasy. Current EV sales are only 2.5% of ICE sales and on a global level, after all the years of EV sales, EV's only make up 2.2% of cars on the road. And all those ICE cars generally all have a lifespan measured in decades. More of a problem though is the world's capacity for raw materials and battery production. Changes simply won't happen fast.

[@keithharley9729]

One thing he didn't comment on was the cost of upgrading the electrical grid as people buy more electric cars, which will cost everyone regardless of car type. If 3 people on every street in a city were charging at the same time, it's possible you might crash the grid. An electrical engineer actually came up with this info.

[@SassySimian]

"You should never spend more for something less convenient." *Coughs and nervous twitches from all super- and hypercar owners*

[@elheber]

I get to charge for free at work, so I only put gas in my Volt about once every 6 months and spend not a dime more on fuel/energy. The only exception is road trips. So nice.

[@drwisdom1]

Mr. Explained did a good job on this video. His critical point was to be happy with an electric vehicle it needs to be your second vehicle (so you have one that can travel) and you have to have a garage. But his financial analysis falls into the trap of comparing costs over a short period of time, assuming you will sell it quickly. Smart owners buy dependable vehicles and keep them for over a decade. They have a far lower cost per mile, but that approach gets excluded from the analysis.

[@Speadraser]

I wish you would have covered the environmental aspect of producing gasoline powered vs electric powered including the impact of batteries and their recyclability

[@redbaron6805]

From an energy standpoint. Only about 5% to 10% of the lifetime emissions of a car goes into manufacturing. Over 90% are the emissions from fueling the car to drive it. Battery recycling is already here and is being ramped up. Also, there are advances in eliminating certain metals like Cobalt from batteries. Batteries are mostly Nickel these days, and Nickel is easy to recycle. The Lithium is still a bit difficult to recycle but there many companies working on the chemistry to substitute or eliminate Lithium from future batteries also.

[@joeriefer3441]

I am still on a list for a Lightning but bought a 2022 F150 Power Boost Hybrid with a 600 mile range! Yrs it still wants gasoline but.gets.24 mpg City and highway and it is a full size American pickup! It charges while you drive and can power a job site or a house with 7.5 key generator on board. I. A neighborhood the power boost runs on Full electric.

[@truth959]

What I've heard from people who have owned EVs and gone back to ICE is that EVs are a lot of extra work and planning.

[@paulwood6729]

What happens of your charging has to be outside and not under a shelter? The socket on the chargepoint can be weather proofed, but is the car socket? Is dew, rain, wind or snow an issue? EVs make no sense in the UK where the vast majority of homes are single phase, few have garages (which tend to be used as sheds anyway) and a lot don't have off-street parking. Fuel cells make much more sense for the UK but I can see why it would be different in other countries like the US & Aus where homes tend to be bigger.

[@Fosgen]

IF you ever wondered why Toyota is not manufacturing any EVs. Listen to Jason.

[@CLdriver1960]

When you need a ‘back up’ vehicle, you know that we’re not yet ready for electric only cars.

[@adrianthrockmorton7557]

9:15 I definitely disagree with this. After owning both a 2011 Nissan Leaf and 2018 Tesla model 3 LR I can attest that in cabin heating takes MUCH longer to heat up than a gasoline car. Not only this, but it also tends to not be able to get as hot and of course has a much greater impact on range for an electric vehicle as compared to a gasoline one. I believe this is why so many EV's implement heated seats as it is drastically more efficient to heat an individual seat than to heat the entire cabin's air. Were talking an order of magnitude around 30 times more energy consumption.

[@redbaron6805]

Your claims are a bit far out there. More efficient cars heat slower than less efficient cars. Heat is a wasted byproduct on combustion engine cars, but efficient cars don't produce much heat. I have seen this myself on more efficient gas cars that have trouble heating the car. Obviously a gas car doesn't take any range penalty to heat the car as it is already 4x to 5x less efficient to begin with. As I mentioned already, gas cars produce waste heat 100% of the time. A small fraction of it is actually used part of the year in colder states. And you can't state that cabin heating takes much longer than a gas car, as a "gas car" is not a single model or a single car, and there us a huge variable there depending on the engine size of the car and fuel used.