How Honda’s 2.2L Engine Makes Over 700 Horsepower

[@EngineeringExplained]

*IMPORTANT CORRECTION:* In this video I state the boost pressures are 1300-1650 mbar *above atmospheric,* as is indicated on IndyCar's website (bit.ly/2XvviEU). This information, and the website, are not correct. Two IndyCar engineers have since notified me the boost pressures are absolute, meaning the gauge pressure for these engines above atmospheric is about 300-650 mbar, or about 4-9.5 psi. This is *significantly* less boost than discussed in the video. The math makes sense as well with the update. With pressure ranging from 1300 to 1650 mbar, and power ranging from 550 to 700 HP, we can do some quick ratios to see if it adds up. 1650/1300 = 1.27. 700/550 = 1.27. The power gain is thus proportional to the gain in pressure. E85 plays a larger role in power generation than the video indicates, and makes up for the gap that the "reduced" boost makes. Apologies for providing incorrect information, and thank you to the engineers who reached out with corrections and supporting materials! Mistakes happen; I will always do my best to provide corrections if necessary! Hopefully IndyCar will correct their website as well to reduce future confusion.

[@devilsoffspring5519]

*Very* important correction! :) Thanks for clearing up. It seems obvious to me that the Civic 4-lunger certainly isn't running anywhere near that boost pressure either, certainly not on pump gas at 9.8:1 compression!

[@jakecole7447]

@@devilsoffspring5519 Yes it will. Corrections because of knocking will be done via ignition timing.

[@devilsoffspring5519]

@@jakecole7447 It really runs at well over 20 PSI boost on pump gas at 9.8 CR? Somehow I really doubt it. For 300HP on a 2.0 liter 4, more like less than 10 PSI. 20+ PSI shouldn't be necessary for 300 HP, nowhere near that much.

[@jakecole7447]

@@devilsoffspring5519 dude... Just Google it. They run 22-25 psi Stock. And no you dont teach 310 HP with that RPM and compression with 10 psi. Modded 5.2 Liter v10s run that sorta boost.

[@totaltwit]

My suggestion, remake the video where this gets corrected/discussed otherwise we get false data implanted into our brain. That's why this sort of vid is good, we have a stab at how we see things, "experts" pop up and offer valuable info, we all gain. Good job. These question have wizzed though my mind, I'm a curious engineer. I'd like to know the detail of F1 engines compared to a powerful commercial engine. I know octane and revs are the main ones. One comment by an expert was, tolerance are greater (and well defined) on a sports engine, longlevity is not the criteria.

[@KaDaJxClonE]

Swap the honda indie motor into your S2000. Bet you wont sell it then.

[@Neoangel21]

that would make an awesome SEMA build ^^,

[@wumpusthehunted2628]

And need a new one after 2,400 miles? Well, that might make a multipart KZbin video with a mechanic or two.

[@chrisnas1483]

Lol

[@orangeman9237]

I'll do it :D

[@How2HateYT]

@@wumpusthehunted2628 to be fair itd probably be fine for a lot more than 2400 miles if it wasnt being revved to redline every 4 seconds lol

[@wrth]

Jason is probably having dreams about this V6 in his S2000

[@joshuaduplaa9033]

GamerZoneArmy only if he wasn’t selling it

[@alimahdavi2276]

Hope it doesn't end in nocturnal emissions!

[@Avetho]

@@alimahdavi2276 XD That was too good! Though I didn't verbally respond to that, I did freeze for several seconds to hold in my laughter, thanks for that.

[@jcmarin3223]

I doubt it. The S handles very well with its 4 banger. The sixer, even if it lighters, might throw off the s balance.

[@snafuequals]

JC Marin I think with that kind of power you'd actually need to shift the balance toward the rear in order to maximize exit speeds.

[@RamosDominicano]

How does Honda make over 700hp from a 2.2L engine? Stickers. Lots of stickers.

[@roberts2816]

and a fart can muffler like all the ones rolling on the streets.

[@zuestoots5176]

witchcraft.

[@spankthemonkey3437]

Remi Ramos a big eBay turbo

[@DutchBart666]

They make more with the 1.6 liter V6 turbo hybrid that they use in F1

[@DiscoR53]

Vtec yo!

[@chastonchurch7862]

The question is, "how do i drop this into my 99' Civic?"

[@skippy1239]

@James Smith K or B either one will get you boostability. K20 is pretty high comp compared to B20 or K24 and therefore might not be as good for boosting, but yeah, B18/B20/K24 are your cheapest bets, go grab one out of an old CRV or TSX for 200$ at a pick and pull.

[@michael_twtd_bryant8923]

Buy a k24 .....watch boostedboiz

[@mfswylin]

K series and B series is always a great choice

[@paull3179]

You would need a new engine every week. Totally useless engine.

[@rileymannion5301]

Get a j series swap with twins it wont rev as high but she'll definatley rip

[@jonjonr6]

Honda: we can only tell you it makes above 700hp, and the bore. Jason: (does some math), so your engine has this stroke, uses this much fuel, has up to this much horsepower and torque, and can probably go this fast estimating the drag co-efficient of a typical formula one car. Honda: damn, don't ever tell that guy anything

[@johannesdatblue4164]

jason: how much do you pay to me?

[@KamilWoda]

How to: Make memes on notepad

[@caalca05]

He has to be hired by honda

[@Cheeseypoofs85]

he doesnt know the bore.. hes guessing

[@lbear3321]

What torque?

[@Chad4200]

the answer is VTEC BABYYY

[@Creeperboy099]

C. AF *BBWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH*

[@sergiosjj8780]

No VTECH X-TREEMMMMMMMM

[@EngineeringExplained]

Haha, funny enough this has a fixed cam profile (as regulated), but the Type R does have vtec on the exhaust. Once turbos got involved variable lift wasn't as important on the intake, so it's been dropped.

[@geracervantes2362]

@@Creeperboy099 donut media flashback

[@imbirx]

Moar pawer baby

[@john-danielmartin8753]

Says he's going to sell the S2000 and Honda is like come see our 700 hp 12000 rpm engine

[@tedarcher9120]

Some civic engines are able to roll up to 11000 rpm with some little upgrades

[@tedarcher9120]

@keith cunningham yeah, and for how long did it ran? 15 minutes?

[@dlozza2000]

keith cunningham got you good 😂

[@TheBb6prelude]

@keith cunningham I highly doubt that

[@BlueRice]

@keith cunningham honda made over 1000hp with 1.6L normally aspirated engine for formula engine carol shelby never competed because he couldnt make one.

[@SufferingAddict88]

12k rpm? Anyone remember the good old day when we had F1 cars with 20k rpm? pepperidge farm remembers...

[@BobbyB910]

Yea I member

[@redactedrider7606]

This is indy car though...

[@basuo8378]

same with my 250CC bikes that had 19k RPM

[@duduychony9747]

Boomer

[@kresimircosic9035]

@@duduychony9747 I don't think you tards realize how old boomers are xD

[@ruthun]

"Jesse, don't. He's probably got a $100 000 under the hood of that car"

[@HondaProJason]

So much great info! Thanks Jason for creating this. Learning is Fun

[@EngineeringExplained]

Thanks Jason! That Honda of yours is pretty rad as well 👌

[@maxxas5067]

Would be cool if honda made a rwd possibly 6 or 4 cylinder s3000 We're waiting Honda It's time and we know what you can do

[@AnthonyBrusca]

S3000 would be too big. There's no reason to put a 3L engine in such a small car. The 2000 in S2000 stands for CC. Honda actually makes an S600 for Japan only.

[@maxxas5067]

@@AnthonyBrusca we in the 1000s 100s was way back

[@maxxas5067]

@@AnthonyBrusca and there is no such thing as to big

[@AnthonyBrusca]

@@maxxas5067 Yes, there is. That tiny two seater car will never be able to handle the power, it would be all squirlly. The current S600 has a mid/rear engine too.

[@Creeperboy099]

S3000? That’s going to only be a V6 for sure...

[@OiBaWbAg]

Great video, very informative. As an engineering student I enjoy your videos, keep up the good work

[@bdb3350]

As a part time engine builder; when I’m asked “how much HP can you get out of my engine?” My answer is “ How deep are your pockets”

[@TeejtheDeej]

"Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go..."

[@bdb3350]

@@TeejtheDeej Exactly. The more money the person has the faster they can go. The cool thing is today's 4 cylinder engines can out perform V 8 engines even on a budget. 300 hp reliable on stock components,1/3 the weight, less parasitic friction loss, its a win.

[@bdb3350]

@@TeejtheDeej I'm building a planned 500+hp 2.4 Ecotec for a customer. As of August 2021 he's $15,000 USD into parts and machine work. Its going into a mid 80's Camaro. I'm expecting it to eat 8 cylinders all day long. I should be strapping it to the dyno this coming spring.

[@keithjones7024]

You can have any power you like with forced induction as long as the block is strong enough. BMW proved this in the 80's with 1400 hp on a 4 cylinder engine much smaller in capacity than this Honda.

[@jorge8596]

Yeah 1.5L I4 running 5bar of boost on a massive turbo. I can't imagine how much power modern F1 engines would make if they only had to last for 3 laps and had unlimited fuel flow, probably upwards of 2000hp

[@IDontWantAHandle101]

I'm looking at my 1986 yamaha rd350ypvs. Dyno says 90 bhp at the flywheel. It's an ex Stan Stephens race bike. Cranks don't last too long but it's pretty fun to ride. The peak revs are about 16k. It absolutely screams >:) That is approximately 257 bhp/litre,,,,, not bad for non turbo running normal petrol premix.

[@petrichor649]

@@IDontWantAHandle101 Hey, takes me back... I had a Stan tuned LC race engined on the road for a bit, it was so fast, never got the engine past a 1000 miles without a rebuild 😁

[@IDontWantAHandle101]

@@petrichor649 No pain no gain!!! I have a TDR 250 too. That will be the last I get rid of. Hooligan machine. Does less to the gallon than my Range Rover :)

[@tony_5156]

James Smith I mean that’s not impressive as a race with turns .

[@robteuwen4158]

I love how your adrenalin induced reactions always prove you are a real engineer. :-). Keep up the good work!

[@dariodalcin5177]

With all that correction turns out I have a Bugatti engine in my fiat panfa

[@VolkerHett]

More a La Ferrari :D

[@alimahdavi2276]

Hehehe lool!

[@krochmalj]

GB

[@Donut]

Love the vid, and definitely love when those little motors push out #MOPOWABABEH! :D

[@matth6284]

How has no one seen this comment

[@whatsbehindu]

donut

[@TheAdatto]

My miata can that too. I calculated i have to have 32500rpm

[@awesomebush8711]

just twin hybrid swap it

[@Syaudah]

Toretto : You'll fry the piston ring

[@hxhdfjifzirstc894]

3,250... that's not too bad.

[@WoodyW2k]

Couldn’t stop grinning for you at the end. Quality 👌🏼

[@hammerhome7879]

12,000 rpm is almost double 7000... higher rpm = more volume/displacement in a set amount of time = more HP

[@PeterXChhanX]

Thats how low displacement engines have to make up for power. It works faster to move the same amount of air as larger displacements. The tradeoff being lifespan but much lighter weight

[@AllanDaigle]

plus its also twin turbo vs just one... howd that get missed

[@Peertje1982]

@@AllanDaigle 1, 2 or 4 turbo's don't chance de HP if boost is fixt.

[@snowpuff1740]

With 2 additional pistons this makes it easier to build more torque, even though it has the same displacement and shorter stroke than the four cylinder engine.

[@robertjohnson4401]

And this is accomplished with a shorter stroke.

[@andy01993]

I think you're in the road to becoming very popular around the world! Well deserved man your videos and research are perfectly done. You have unique content.

[@pelovett]

Nice video. An extremely significant omission was the different induction systems and the number of valves. The race engine has cylinder heads and intake manifold that flow much more air than the street engine. Also, 24 valves instead of 16. Also the exhaust systems are very very different. It's about airflow.

[@hogibunz834]

I'm pretty sure that I'd sell my soul for a v8 from Honda. Imagine 2 k24 engines slapped together. It would be simply incredible

[@AndrewUnruh]

One thing that was touched on early in the video but not after normalizing for displacement was the effect of the shorter stroke of the Indy engine. Clearly, if two engines have the same displacement but one has a shorter stroke, then the one with the shorter stroke is going to have a greater cross-sectional area. The greater cross sectional area allows for larger valves which in turn allow for greater airflow. Now, greater airflow allows one to combust more fuel which leads to more heat generated which leads to more power - but not at all engine RPMs. If you rev the engine very slowly, there is no pressure gradient to drive more air into the combustion chamber. At very high RPMs, however, on the intake stroke there will be a larger differential between the air on the intake side and after the intake valves. Bigger valves mean less pressure differential which means more air in the cylinder which means more fuel burned etc. etc. In short, the larger valve area of the Indy car allows for higher RPMs without starving the engine for air which allows for more HP.

[@josemalinao1308]

In the meantime Boosted boyz just casually driving with a 700hp civic.

[@kylelove927]

Lol. Right! Love Kyle's red hatch!

[@michael_dc4584]

His odyssey makes more than his hatch

[@TheWeeklyVibecheck]

Halfway across the country mind you

[@JohnSmith-du4fi]

8:00 that uncontrollable smile sums up the difference between the two engines

[@Jackasstoy]

V6 vs I4 2T vs 1T 12000 vs 6500 Larger Valves Gasoline Price $$$

[@aluckyshot]

People can hate little Honda engines all they want but they are fairly impressive. I had a little B18C in a hatch back, that thing was fairly peppy and took a beating. There is definitely quicker but it was a normally aspirated that would chirp into third, squeal into second, and just tear up first the entire time. Crazy little car.

[@A92CB7]

Not hating but it's "naturally aspirated," not normally, I love Honda's

[@fuckbeingbroke2]

Spinning isn't winning got to get performance clutch proper shifting any DOHC swap in EG/EF is beyond quick weight to power ratio e.g. physics don't need no v8, Honda For Life

[@valleydotphysicals7286]

A couple of things you did not address. The Indy car engine has a much better thermal efficiency, close to 50%. How that is achieved of course is top secret. The flow of the heads and the type of valve train will be a huge factor in the increased horsepower.

[@clayduval1255]

So basically, if you throw race fuel at a Civic Type R engine, it's a mini Indycar 😉

[@atvkid0805]

no, the tolerances are soo tight on an indy engine the block needs to be heated up to allow for expansion before startup. Not practical in a daily driver.

[@brkbtjunkie]

Rods, connectors, valves, etc etc etc. All it has to be beefed up to handle the increased rpms and power.

[@clayduval1255]

@@brkbtjunkie Its a joke... I'm not saying to modify the CTR engine to be like an Indycar engine but rather the hp/l is very similar once you factor in the boost, displacement and fuel difference

[@clayduval1255]

@@atvkid0805 I'm guessing you meant to reply in a different thread?

[@juzoli]

Clay DuVal Everything is similar if you factor in all the differences...

[@joshhayes3433]

So Jason sells his S2000 to get an F1 car. I support this decision.

[@markbaum9615]

Jason...thanks for the great article in road and track last month..I finally like an automatic transmission.....slightly

[@isaakwelch3451]

Ewww auto trans

[@Jt7166]

Freaking brilliant man. Thank you. I'm kinda suprised Honda even gave you this much info.

[@patrickbradford6587]

Important correction, the cylinder head flow rate has a HUGE influence on power output. E85 is approximately 105 octane, however doesn't account for the majority of the horse power difference. I would speculate that the cylinder heads on the Indycar engine flow FAR more than the stock type R engine, which contributes to the significant difference in hp, while having similar displacement and boost levels.

[@maxcactus7]

Good grief, imagine Honda reintroducing a new S2000 with a slightly toned-down version of that V-6 engine! Gimme!

[@timduncan8450]

It is amazing that the Honda street 4-banger is so close to the race engine, which I think we can assume, pushes all the limits. Piston speed, boost (ok artificially limited here), apparently BMEP & PCP, and adjusted volumetric power density. They really did it all with rpm and a little higher efficiency. Honda Street engine is amazing to so close to several limits and have so much durability.

[@Shane-zx4ps]

Tim Duncan I concur Tim Duncan, and what’s really amazing is Honda making them affordable to the ordinary buying public

[@timduncan8450]

Bapster Man, Excellent point, maybe the best. I hear Ferrari makes great engines but it just doesn’t matter, I’ll never afford one. I’ve already owned several Honda.

[@surfside75]

Drop that motor directly into the classic NSX.. -SERIOUSLY😁

[@willdelaney7128]

@@jzxtrd337 I cant tell if you're a troll or not but indy engines go about 3000 miles before getting a new one. They gave races longer than 250 miles lmao

[@cellphonelightsaber]

I'M NOT HERE FOR A LONG TIME; I'M HERE FOR A GOOD TIME

[@jdrok5026]

@@jzxtrd337 2500 miles of full on being pinned. A f1 engine will drop revs which helps with longevity it also helps more f1 races cover less miles.

[@jdrok5026]

@@jzxtrd337 remember indy can be 500 miles of pinned for a indy with only breaks while pitting

[@1320crusier]

@@jdrok5026 constant rpm is easier on engines. You can do some interesting things reliability and power wise with steady state rpm

[@BP-fx3qc]

My dream honda motor was the RA V10 from the McLaren MP4-5.

[@Intrepid175a]

No one makes more impressive engines than Honda!

[@GT_FREAK]

Me:Can I buy that for my build.... Honda: sure after 5 payments of 99999 Me:........

[@johnassmundsson516]

I would also like one thank you

[@sloth4urluv]

Another piece of the puzzle is that a Type R won’t make that much boost at peak power. Say it’s 21lbs at peak power and there is around 95% right there.

[@PaulMansfield]

maybe there's just not enough flow past the valves?

[@LuqmanHM]

In short - less stroke = higher rpm - slightly higher boost = more hp - use e85 fuel = 100+ octane thus more power than 91 octane fuel

[@BiologistRyan]

I mean does the fact its got two extra cylinders not matter at all, not sure why that isnt really talked about.

[@adamlreid]

Jurassic Tech That’s why he corrected for the displacement. The actual number of cylinders doesn’t matter, it’s just that more cylinders generally allow for a larger displacement of air and fuel in the entire engine over a given time

[@BiologistRyan]

@@adamlreid ok, I thought i was missing something lol.

[@KDD8]

I wish Jason is my teacher. He explains things so thoroughly and goes into depth, something I find most teachers lack today. He's also very entertaining to watch, and by that I mean its not just some boring 3 hour lecture. It's short, concise, and right to the point.

[@KoiBoiRoi]

Awesome mathematical breakdown. As an electrical engineer, I'm not too familiar with the math behind calculating the performance of car engines, but this was very clear! Also, that ride sure looked fun! I'm envious!

[@Hawok13]

everybody: YO! Mercedes just made a 2 liter engine that puts out 450hp!! Honda: Hold my beer...

[@dyrsten]

Mercedes 1.6L F1 engine produces around 1000hp in quali mode, ICU only.

[@Calyx]

Mercedes made a 1.6L engine with 748hp. I'm obviously talking about the ICE alone. In the road legal Project One. The hybrid systems are estimated to push the total to a maximum of 1230 hp Has to pass the homologation process first though.

[@Hawok13]

@@dyrsten yes but that engine is supposed to survive a race or two, meanwhile the 2.0 450hp is the engine of an A-klass I don't know, however, how reliable is the honda engine, the comment was supposed to be a joke anyways

[@Shane-zx4ps]

Imagine Wagons yeah that’s 250 bhp less from an engine only 200cc less, hey Mercedes hold these beers

[@TARider2]

I'd love to see a video like this about some of the old F1 engines that revved to like 15/16 thousand rpm

[@OdamaKamayuka]

V10 went up to 20 000rpm, what a glorious sound that was.

[@TassieLorenzo]

Check out the BBC Equinox documentary about the Ford-Cosworth turbo V6 F1 engine -- it's very interesting! :) The rules limited it to 4 bar = 60 psi in 1987, but some may have run even more before that.

[@TheOz91]

Just to say that this is specifically a race engine--it does one thing: racing. You don't want this engine in a regular car :)

[@twinkiissb]

Any Honda fan would be no good with that bad boy.

[@anthonymolina7416]

They would probably tune it if they ever sell it in consumer vehicles

[@takafumiarisawa70]

Dunno, Rotary engines are (technically speaking) more of a race engine than something you should use frequently but the fun is there.

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

2500 mile lifespan for that motor, wowsers! Talk about a quickie...

[@jdrok5026]

Indy is fairly brutal on engines

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

I bet!

[@ruthun]

Like Ford's normal engines then?

[@gordythecreator]

Well done Mr Engineer! I bet that engine sounds beautiful

[@TheKingkingg]

That would be awesome for either new NSX type R or a New super car!!!

[@march4025]

Engineering Explained living his best life 💯

[@Creeperboy099]

Whoa this needs to be an engine option for the Accord (; Edit: of course you’d need to tweak a few things so it’ll at least last like a Honda XD Edit 2: 104 likes? Am I having Deja Vu?

[@p0ck3tzzz]

front wheel destroyer

[@larrythemanic6.0mechanic78]

@@p0ck3tzzz Drag radial fryer

[@lawnmowerdude]

You’ll need to preheat the engine before every start up.

[@angelgjr1999]

R8 Convert it into AWD.

[@alexmorgan3435]

It's a race engine would not last demands you would make of it.

[@anorwayer97]

I knew about your channel before the Belle Isle Grand Prix, but it's fair to say that NBC gave you a proper good shout out which lead to me finding this video again. Once again, a very in depth and knowledgeable video

[@craigmonteforte1478]

Well deserved ride Conner ! i also give Kudos to Honda for being a Stand Up Company i’m small Potatoes to them but i’ve been a faithfull owner and Advocate of many of their products over the years including my fathers 1960s S90 Motorcycle he bought in 1965 a few other Motor Bikes ,Cars , and many small engines including a generator /Inverter

[@DucatiDiaries]

Awesome. And looking forward to you hopefully doing a vid on the 2020 GT500's 760 HP!!! :)

[@mitchellsteindler]

@Micheal Stillabower yes, today

[@DucatiDiaries]

@Micheal Stillabower Yes I'm about to release a vid on it if you want to check it out. Hit the sub and bell. Probably about an hour.

[@IkethRacing]

Also a power difference factor is emissions. The 2.0L is rated with catalytic convertors. E85 alone would explain the power gap you ended up with in this video, so you have proved 700hp is definitely conservative. Probably as high as 800hp.

[@HK_Productions47]

Most people in the know think its like 750 on road courses and short ovals but come 2021 Indycar engines are gonna have 900 horsepower!

[@Coralbit]

@Engineering Explained F1 Honda engine 1.6L V6 single turbo +700 HP get info on that engine :D that would be awesome since I think it is one of the most powerful engines per displacement :)

[@jakegarrett8109]

Wankel rotaries are the amount the highest reliable in a racing scenario for combustion engines (1000 HP per liter). Reliable as in comparatively since those are still using OEM engine housing and probably last more than 2500 miles when only doing 350HP per liter (since no boost on gasoline they are rated 238 for a 1.3L at the factory, although it’s really more like 180-190 because marketing...) Power amount is for drag car with duel turbos and methanol, the Puerto Rican’s know how to make those Doritos engines run!

[@bdb3350]

Honda has always been the dominant engine when it comes to sport import racing

[@TheMinuteFamily]

That looks like an amazing experience. Honda makes great engines.

[@Pacifista629]

How does Honda make 700hp from a 2.2L? Jason: does some math Me an intellectual: it has 2 more cylinders

[@BeHappyTo]

it would need to have 4 more for it to make sense

[@BeHappyTo]

@Peder Hansen how does that have to do with anything?

[@BeHappyTo]

@Peder Hansen It is but you can't skip context.

[@BeHappyTo]

@Peder Hansen My point was if the engine had 700hp (about twice as much as the one that it was compared to in the video) then it would need not 50% more but 100% more cylinders, thus 4 extra.

[@Strunz0]

It could have 100 extra cylinders, and with all other variables (displacement, boost, rpm) being equal, it would still move the same amount of air as the 4 cylinder. It's mostly a factor of RPM in this comparison, made possible by the proportion of bore to stroke and maybe some valve sizing, timing and lift, not number of cylinders.

[@revejmal]

Short answer: Throw some e85 in it...

[@victornpb]

In Brazil we actually use e85 on normal cars, cars makers usually advertise power in each fuel and using ethanol it is usually 3% to 5% more than gasoline.

[@AlistairMaxwell77]

@@victornpb we have e85 in australia as well for normal pump fuel

[@DirtyWopBastard]

@@victornpb sorry no. ethanol has less energy than gasoline, it just has a higher octane rating

[@Jlemus01]

That v6 is beautiful, no engine covers just like the old days. Honda NSX would've sold like cookies with that v6 in it.

[@Jlemus01]

@butchtropic you have a point but I'm referring my self to the 2016 to present day NSX, it will destroy everything on the road pretty much, 2.2l V6 with over 700 buff hrss man they need to get on that ASAP lol.

[@Shane-zx4ps]

J Lemus the reason the NSX didn’t sell like hot cookies is because people turned there noses up at a Honda sports car in 1990, thinking it can’t be as good as a Ferrari or a Porsche, how wrong they were, not only was it as good it was better an actual reliable super car, apparently Ferrari had to go back to the drawing board to up there game,

[@1nvd]

J Lemus you have to drive one...the current set up is like McLaren levels for such a lower price

[@Fortheloveofjdm]

I wonder how much weight difference imthere is between the new and old nsx. Brb. 868lbs difference older one being lighter.

[@davidfisher917]

I've been a fan for a few years. You do an awesome job explaining everything!

[@EngineeringExplained]

Thanks David!

[@fuckbeingbroke2]

You are the Man People have no idea Honda Power For Life !!

[@tonitoni8053]

You explain it well, do i understand? no. i see 700 horses i click

[@markmatic5718]

Can you make a video about their new lawnmower that goes 230+ km/h

[@calvinnyala9580]

The civic or the actual lawnmower??

[@markmatic5718]

@@calvinnyala9580 actual lawnmower

[@thebeardyyc]

Loved the clip of you at the end! 😂💜

[@alanklosinski4507]

Congrats on the ride and thanks for the info! Glad you added the clip at the end, it is a fun one to rewatch!

[@aol11]

The offenHauser 4 cylinder Indy car engines had to be pre-lubed/heated to operating temperature through the oil for about 2 hours before it could be started. It had to do with the tolerances being so tight the metal had to expand or the engine would ruin if started cold. Does the same rule apply to these Honda engines?.

[@NFiltr8Red]

Put that into Honda’s next sports car and they can come take my money.

[@mirokefurt4740]

Would be interesting to know what fails after 2,500 miles, or I would guess about 20 hours of race use, or at minimum what the HONDA race mechanics replace in a rebuild, as obviously they do not throw the entire engine away after every race. So what are the weak points ??? Also thanks for the boost pressure correction, I almost thought HONDA defies the laws of thermodynamics using E85.

[@matthewcrane7958]

I should have known youd be in detroit. Im a machinist in metro detroit i dig your channel and info

[@johnt2k7]

I think a huge thing a lot of people in the car community or new to it overlook is that Boost is a measurement of restriction to flow. If you can reduce the restriction/increase air flow through the engine by improving the air delivery system, better intake plenum design, head porting , as well as better exhaust management with better flowing manifolds and exhaust. you will make the same or more power at a lower boost level. You are physically flowing more air through the engine even at the lower boost level and it will make more power. I dont know how many times the first question out of someones mouth about a build has been how much boost is it running. When it has no bearing on the power level of a engine. You could have a near stock engine setup with a tune pushing 22-26 PSI and then the same engine platform with a larger turbo & proper supporting intake and exhaust modifications making 150+HP more at 20 PSI

[@Poorschedriver]

When you first showed the engine internals I thought it was the indy engine, and I counted 4 cylinders in a row, and got very excited that Honda had made another V8 engine, and then realized it was the type R motor. I really wish Honda weren't so afraid of 8 cylinders.

[@stuskivens4295]

So how does that all work through for a 1600cc F1 engine, or for that matter, a 1200HP 1500cc 1986 BMW F1 turbo

[@HellaNorCal916]

That would be a cool side by side video! Some of my favorite engine's came out of the 80's F1 turbo cars.

[@lulube11e111]

Well bmw had 4-5bar on boost

[@TassieLorenzo]

As Roko says 5 bar (72 PSI) does the trick! Effectively making the 1.5L engine into a 7.5L engine?

[@justanothertroll9205]

Bmw is a complete joke compared with Honda in F1. 19 wins for germans vs 74 for Honda

[@QuadDoc]

Jason, another awesome explanation!! Thank you for sharing!! So basically it just breaks down to 1. higher RPM and 2. higher octane fuel?

[@HK_Productions47]

Plus better materials and better craftsmanship probably.

[@jakegarrett8109]

You missed he entire bore stroke... that’s the whole difference. The fuel is fairly minimal, putting e-85 into the street car wouldn’t give you much. You could also run the street car 12k rpm, but the torque at that rpm would fall off a cliff on the Dino run, resulting in probably like 50 HP because the piston speed would be approaching flame propagation speed (which means the force on the piston would be near 0, which means almost no work is done).

[@KennyMarkusa]

It's more than that there is also cam lift timing . duration and cylinder head design that is where the real power is made air in air out more air+ more fuel = bigger boomb

[@QuadDoc]

You guys are correct, air in-out, bore, stoke, materials etc... which breaks down to and results in layman’s terms: higher RPM and higher octane (trying to break it down for someone who doesn’t care as much as we do, lol).

[@TheLiamis]

Just need your s2k back now. I'm sure you can make the engine fit.

[@EngineeringExplained]

Haha I still have it, hoping to get it listed this week!

[@TheLiamis]

@@EngineeringExplained so honda is going to be missing off its v6 engines? 😂

[@MADLITS1K]

Engineering Explained I have $5 and a pack of gum

[@LuqmanHM]

@@EngineeringExplained what would you replace the s2000 with?

[@kevinnorris6558]

JVST DAI I have $7 and two packs of gum. Looks like the S2000 is mine.

[@indyalts020]

Congrats on the Indy ride and thanks for this great video.

[@EngineeringExplained]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it, super fun!

[@Qsani]

appreciate you taking the time to do such an in depth explanation. You are a real one

[@hangman13]

@8:00: that's what happens when you skip neck day. 10/10 would break neck for that experience.

[@EngineeringExplained]

Haha, it's also what happens when you can't predict high g-forces since you're not driving. You can try this at home. Just swerve like crazy haha.

[@VigneshBalasubramaniam]

Next stop: Honda F1 engines!

[@joaomariamateusnunes5542]

Motor v6 1.6L. DE QUASE 70O CV F1

[@theprophetisnear5976]

Honda is like episodes of dragon Ball z don't no what you expect ing next 😁😁😁

[@0num4]

Yeah but DBZ has worse turbo lag.

[@anirudhmallikarjun7067]

@@0num4 ya it takes for ever ro to charge them spirit bombs

[@willlucas5150]

@@anirudhmallikarjun7067 about 3 episodes iirc

[@martinentertainment734]

RPM's Above 9000 :O

[@mnetwork]

Also can't compare boost for boost. A larger more efficient turbo will push more CFMs at the same boost level. 23psi 23psi on two different turbos.

[@mnetwork]

@@EngineeringExplained Are you saying that two different turbos on the same motor running at 23psi manifold pressure (holding to redline) will have the same air density and make the same power?

[@markrichie897]

A ride well deserved!! Thanks for all the information you give us.

[@rexsong4835]

tbh Honda is also making engines that are 1.6L and make over 950 hp in F1. 2.2L engine that makes over 700 seems not so impressive comparing to that.

[@jdrok5026]

@@jzxtrd337 1 engine per race? They last a lot longer than 1 race

[@axipixel5811]

Here's one thing he didn't talk about and a little nitpick: Despite him saying the turbos are the same, that is not really true. While they both are maintaining ~20 PSI of boost, this means different things at different RPMs At 12,000 RPM, like he said, there are much more cycles per minute occurring then the Type R engine can achieve. This means vastly more fuel and more air is flowing through the engine. Because of this, the indycar engine turbo is pushing a vastly greater amount of airflow to maintain a pressure of 20 PSI at the intake than the Type R's engine needs to push to maintain 20 PSI at its intake. This is shown in the turbochargers themselves. The CFM of air the indycar turbo can move and compress is extensively greater than that of the Type R turbo. So, while it is correct that both turbos are gated at 20 PSI, to say that the boost is the same is somewhat incorrect. Jason is talking about volts when amps tell the real story of what's happening in these two engines' boost.

[@EngineeringExplained]

I'm not sure you're nitpicking, or that I missed anything. Obviously if you have a higher RPM (more power strokes per minute, as discussed) you have to fill the cylinders up more times, so you'll be pushing more air. Boost is a way to measure how much air the cylinder is getting. The more RPM it has, the more often it does it, thus more power.

[@axipixel5811]

​@@EngineeringExplained Yeah, makes sense. I can see why it's not a nitpick nor anything wrong, but I just felt like it was overlooked and needed mention at least in passing. Thanks for taking the time to read and reply.

[@TheAdatto]

Still same 'boost' but indeed it should be told. More to be learned for people that don't know this

[@boduke9428]

More a difference in pressure and volume isn't it? Kinda how a larger turbo will flow more air at the same pressure than a smaller one. 20psi on a 66mm turbo is less air volume than 20psi on a 77mm turbo. Pressure the same but more air and more power with the larger turbo, assuming no restrictions and enough fuel.

[@unclegonzo2079]

Nobody: Boosted boyz:hold my beer

[@GrantOakes]

Another plausible reason for the greater horsepower in the V6 vs the I4 is the head design and valve size. In a NA engine heads are where the HP is.

[@Marc_Page]

Man, that looked like fun! Can't wait to see your take on the IndyCar hybrid 2.2 twin turbocharged w/ super capacitors.

[@AzeezOverseas]

This engine is pushed to it's limit, and only last for one race before it's damaged. Just like any homemade V8 with 1500hp. Push it harder, blow it faster.

[@EngineeringExplained]

The engines last 4-5 races, including all practice, qualifying, and the race itself.

[@Fa_Tsai]

Turbo sizes are completely different ... different CFM flows. ... 30 psi on a Gt35R and a 30psi on a GT52R are very different

[@corpsie666]

30 psi on the two engines is different independent of which turbo is used to build up that 30 psi.

[@paddythomas2628]

VTEC yo!

[@mikegirard4388]

My stock Civic 1.5T is rated for 20psi. I figured out that was absolute when I connected a scan tool and realized it rarely went above atmospheric gauge pressure. I believe most all turbochargers are rated absolute pressure of boost. You have to, otherwise the actual output would vary depending on manifold vacuum and altitude. This is also important as the wastegate is controlled based on manifold vacuum as it’s the total compression ratio of the intake that matters, not absolute pressure to atmosphere.

[@mileslange5797]

Thank you for spoon feeding all of us your great and precious knowledge

[@goldentrucker7921]

I really wish the type R was offered with all wheel drive.

[@caspforge]

It's all about that stroke if you know what I mean lol

[@alf_1779]

In this case, shorter stroke is better :P

[@IntervalePC]

Wonder how the Honda 2.2L Twin-Turbo V6 would fit in my S2000 🤔 What's the MPG's 🤪😜😉

[@daduncker20D]

Not enough; that's the miles per gallon lol

[@lowiet8979]

MPG? More like GPM...

[@HK_Productions47]

MPG for indycar is something like 4.2 mpg last i heard which is way better than it was in the 1990's

[@xaviermouchette1697]

Great explanation, you break down things so clearly, even better than some professors ;-) !

[@lifeisgood070]

honda is genuiely a cool manufacturer of engines. I've loved every one of their products I've owned much like Milwaukee. It always felt like there was time in the design. I wonder what it's like to work for them.