Enough is enough

[@jessicarathbun2241]

Agree 100 percent. If "Game 7" moments happen too frequently, they are no longer "Game 7" moments.

[@seannolan9857]

Can you imagine what it would be like if a team won the world series 4-0, and then it was reset to 3-3 because we're contractually obligated to have a game seven? That's essentially what NASCAR's playoffs do.

[@gnnascarfan2410]

"When everyone is super, no one will be." - Syndrome, The Incredibles (2004)

[@CPO-Snarky]

We had the penultimate Game 7 moment at Richmond: A Walk-Off Drive-By for the win.

[@zlinedavid]

“If everyone is a giant, you have no giants”

[@TheJudoJoker]

SVG's win at Chicago felt so special because we could actually talk about the win and not the "MAJOR PLAYOFF IMPLICATIONS"

[@rexthewolf3149]

Well yeah he’s not a full time driver so the playoffs don’t matter.

[@Vivid-197]

SVG ain't even a cup driver. Tf you mean?

[@MPedro1024]

@@Vivid-197the win last year

[@Racer881Ken]

2023

[@GreatCdn59]

that's what he is saying. it felt good to enjoy the race as, well, a race. that exists in a bubble. all that mattered that day was whether SVG could do it. instead of focusing on all the gimmicky playoff stuff lurking in the background.

[@michaelflaherty3202]

Bobby Labonte had a 250 point lead heading into Dale’s last win at Talladega. They had a full crowd as they always do. People show up for the real race, not the points race.

[@shaneharrisnj3484]

Harvick was hauling ass in the Busch Series in 2006, and they drew the size of today's modern Cup Series crowds. Even though there were standalone events at IRP, Kentucky, Nashville, Milwaukee, and the Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez.

[@sketelsluckycharm502]

@@shaneharrisnj3484 i genuinely find it laughable that the Kentucky truck series used to hold a bigger crowd than half the cup races I see today. Sure not everyone enjoyed the TV aspect of the race but to cut off Ohio and Kentucky residents from a local race they showed up in droves to finally get a cup race for is undoubtedly disrespectful to their fan base and as a result you see empty seats. Hell Bristol literally took away the bottom rows of seating for advertising just to say it’s sold out. It’s a shame how the leading body of nascar killed the sports momentum; people may blame It on Dales death but in reality the inconsistency and constant bs the organization pulls is what’s hurting us. Like in what world does NASCAR actually believe the LA colosseum with a wiz Khalifa performance is better for sport growth rather than keeping their generational fans happy

[@AlonsoRules]

A driver that dominates the championship is celebrated not loathed. People only complained because Kenseth won only a single race.

[@johnmartin122187]

​@AlonsoRules Only because everyone else that could have won ot kept wrecking each other.

[@TeamNoLimits865]

This entire video needs to be sent to everyone with decision-making power at NASCAR. It's time for a reality check. This is how you find what the sport has lost.

[@TimJohnson-e3z]

I think the higher ups at nascar should all be replaced by a senate composed of the team owners haha

[@purpl3_sj]

Take anyone named France out of the question and hopefully change can happen

[@TimJohnson-e3z]

@@purpl3_sj amen brother

[@TimJohnson-e3z]

@@purpl3_sj oh and don't forget the steves

[@TracksideViews]

@@purpl3_sjcareful what you wish for. You don’t know how new ownership would run things for better or worse.

[@lazarbro]

No one else is going to talk about it but I think part of what gets lost in these discussions that Brock did a good job mentioning is that NASCAR really has made a lot of positive changes in the last 20 years that the Playoffs have spoiled. 1 point per position, Stage points, most of the schedule changes. All of these things could truly shine if NASCAR stopped thinking about playoffs and let the good thing they have going be great.

[@whalesequence]

Exactly, every change isn't a negative. Stage points minus the cautions are really cool.

[@1320crusier]

Personally, I dont think it should be point per position or even a full field points system. Half field at most with top 3 spots getting best points.

[@duncachinoahimiha3889]

@@1320crusierEh, in F1 no one cares if they finish 11th or 20th. I’d rather every spot matter.

[@lazarbro]

@1320crusier if you finish second in a nascar race it means you were better than 34 drivers, you should get rewarded for being better than 34 other drivers. If you finish 20th that means you were better than 16 other drivers. You should get rewarded for finishing better than 16 other drivers

[@DavidJameson89]

Well said. They need to once again let the racing speak for itself instead of putting so much importance on a playoff system. Everything else will fall into place if they do that.

[@Caspercab]

austin will now be replaced by jeff gordon in the playoffs

[@Gage_Brumley]

I like Brock's videos but he definitely isn't the end all be all for opinions on NASCAR.

[@budracing68]

Dude this is just a boomer yelling at kids to get off his lawn. Playoffs aren’t going away, get used to it or watch the cars tour race for 200 bucks, don’t know what else to tell y’all at this point.

[@dsz2448]

@@budracing68or stop feeding the beast and just don’t watch at all 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@truckercowboyed2638]

​@@dsz2448or mind your business and stop acting like you know how the racing business works

[@BloodyBoyBlue]

@@budracing68I agree, but it’s fun to pretend. They aren’t going away until something cataclysmic happens like an open wheel-style split and the teams make their own rival series (which would kill the sport)

[@Faven321]

Brock Beard for Nascar President

[@TheAuthorizedJay]

Thank you, Brock. It seems a lot of people are missing the entire point. If there was no Playoff System, this crash wouldn't have happened.

[@PaperBanjo64]

If there were no green-white-checkers it wouldn't happen either, both are the culprit.

[@truckercowboyed2638]

Yes it would plenty of desperate moves happened in the Winston cup era

[@truckercowboyed2638]

​@@PaperBanjo64blame the fans then they're the ones who complained about finishing under caution so nascar implemented the gwc to try to ensure a green finish

[@PaperBanjo64]

@@truckercowboyed2638 yeah angry drunk Jr fans at Talladega in 2004 caused this, if not for that we'd probably still end under yellow.

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

⁠@@PaperBanjo64Ask Kasey Kahne at Michigan 2004 about ending a race under caution

[@GreatCdn59]

if only NASCAR realized how many 'dormant' fans of the series still exists, including myself, that would likely jump back onboard if all this playoff nonsense can be eliminated. for now, i keep a casual eye on things and watch old races but it would be great if NASCAR would realize the biggest untapped market they have left is their own fanbase.

[@North-101-Racing]

Don't come back.

[@dsz2448]

@@North-101-Racingyou would have never survived going to a race 20 years ago, let alone 30 😂

[@pokeboi5438]

@@North-101-RacingF1 uses a full season points format, why can’t Cup do the same?

[@herbodiferous7751]

​@@North-101-Racingkeep your new exciting format, along with idiots representing you in Congress. Move to Guyana.

[@masoneveridge4078]

Lowlife you kind of fit that name when you consider the playoff format creates the most DISGUSTING TYPE OF RACING EVER you basically get rewarded for wrecking people and outright playing dirty It’s exactly why drivers who rarely wrecked anyone like Dale Jr. Mark Martin Bill Elliott and Richard Petty who are considered some of the cleanest racers out there no one cares about racing fairly or cleanly making it hard to watch because it’s a fucking crapshoot

[@Dezert_Fox]

The video we have been waiting for. Thank you Brock! 🎉

[@AndyFromBeaverton]

Watch NASCAR flag this video.

[@ZPaul_]

I remember when I used to support the playoffs, but after seeing Harvick miss the championship 4 and my guy Truex miss the playoffs all together simply because he didn’t win a race really opened my eyes to how stupid the playoffs really are. Racing is just way too unpredictable to have stick and ball rules in place.

[@rocksreviewsreactions337]

As a Truex fan, we all feel you man, 2022 was hard to watch. It's crazy because he was higher in the regular points than he is now and still missed the playoffs.

[@SimRacin14]

There's almost a formula to Cup races these days. Driver A dominates, has a huge lead. Caution will come out for something, usually minor, within the last 10 laps. Chaos erupts, Driver A loses lead, then Driver B wins despite being nowhere close to the lead all day. It's just not interesting.

[@orangesnailgaming]

This was the single reason why I was so happy to see Dillon win on Sunday. Yeah he raced stupid and dumb but at least the deserving driver won

[@kem0n0.kokomo]

@@orangesnailgaming My thoughts too. What SimRacin said was precisely what was going to happen until Dillon did what he did, so I can hardly blame him lol

[@rocksreviewsreactions337]

Richmond did it twice this year, first to Truex and then to Dillon, although Dillon got the win but he still lost his playoff spot.

[@dalejr183]

U damn right. Playoffs are not Motorsport

[@ruddgrandprix-speedrunraci8515]

Reasons why I stop watching NASCAR after the regular season. That takes an absolute load off of my back.

[@joshuapboston1999]

I agree. Enough is enough with the playoffs format. It's time for it to die and return to a full season points format, or at worst return to the original 10 Man Chase.

[@North-101-Racing]

Don't watch, let the younger fans do.

[@BladeBrigade7]

​@@North-101-Racing blah blah, do you have anything better to do?

[@dsz2448]

@@North-101-Racingoh, the tide pod crowd?

[@duncachinoahimiha3889]

@@North-101-RacingYour thumbs tired from typing that out over and over?

[@masoneveridge4078]

Lowlife your reaction to people wanting them to go back is fucking hilarious calling them older then you I’d bet 50$ half the people your saying that to ARE YOUNGER THEN YOU

[@GPLaps]

Preach Brother!

[@AndyFromBeaverton]

If Kenneth didn't become a champ and Newman became a champ we would have never been burdened with a new scoring system.

[@nicolesgaming8917]

@@AndyFromBeaverton I'm not so sure. Bill France, Jr. was looking at ways to make wins mean more long before 2003 and Kenseth's domination.

[@dadbodii]

Real recognize real

[@headbrown5629]

Brock, I agree. Thus points system sucks. It doesn't reward consistent performance. It rewards luck & desperation

[@debrisinturn3]

Kevin Harvick would beg to differ. I could argue you have to be even more consistent in this setup.

[@truckercowboyed2638]

Ummm hello Kyle Larson was consistently performing and won the championship..... what a stupid boomer comment

[@BloodyBoyBlue]

@@debrisinturn3you really only have to be consistent in the round of 8. I agree with you though, since they added the playoff points and whatnot that carry in each round it’s better than it used to be. Other than Harvick the best driver each year usually at least makes it to the final 4, even if they don’t always win the title.

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

The old system rewarded riding around and points racing. There was 0 incentive to win at all. See: 2003 when Kenseth won the weakest championship in NASCAR history

[@bduddy55555]

@@chrisuncleahmad666 Anyone who thinks that drivers in any race were "riding around" knows nothing about racing beyond memes and hot takes.

[@charlespetersonjr1994]

As the late Owen Hart once said: Enough is Enough, and it's time for a change

[@badad0166]

The current point system has turned NASCAR into a game show, "Points are now tripled! Anyone can still win! Nothing to this point means anything and we start fresh! Instant gratification creates fleeting satisfaction (Hey, I just wrote a T-Shirt!).

[@legoferrari14]

Yep, it's just _Whose Line?!_

[@emdotrod]

Dillon got nothing to lose tbh. If he won by merit, it will still show how ridiculous the playoff format is since you can basically nearly last the whole season and punch your way in to the playoff just by winning a race. What he did made people talk about him, his team, and NASCAR again. Not in a good way, but a publicity nonetheless. And he got to keep his win despite not advancing. The point is, playoff is a ridiculous format that should be abolished.

[@stephenullman4534]

I absolutely agree!!!

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

And if he settles for 2nd, the headlines are instead “Another BS Logano win just like Nashville”

[@FrosteeWusky]

In doing all of this, Dillon and RCR became the ultimate villain, but in the worst way. I'd say they lost out pretty bad here. I mean, the win doesn't even count for anything outside of bragging rights now. All of this attention for nothing really. Only good they did was once again expose how trash this format is and why the focus on gimmicks is ruining everything.

[@benjaminlewis671]

Yes Brock, you are correct on this one. Not to mention giving stage 3 points at the 400 mile mark instead of a infinite number of laps for the final points. If the stages are defined, so should points at the END of the scheduled race

[@BBAbest01]

Yes, yes, YES. Fully agree with this, a full regular season from start to finish. No playoffs, no chase, none of it. Thank you for the talking points, Brock.

[@North-101-Racing]

Don't watch, let the younger fans do.

[@BBAbest01]

@@North-101-Racing Understood, have a nice day. ✌🏽

[@North-101-Racing]

@@BBAbest01 less old people

[@penguinbrony2415]

and watch as a Matt Kenseth season happens again? No thanks. I like the playoffs, but they need to go back to the original format.

[@Tylnorton]

@@North-101-Racing You're not a racing fan. So go watch a different sport.

[@SiVlog1989]

I've agreed with everything you've said Brock. NASCAR failed to see that they can't artificially manufacture a close championship battle by incorporating gimmicks, going all in on entertainment. Sure, year long points battles aren't always exciting to watch, but it's precisely because of that that made, for example, the 6 way battle for the championship going into the 1992 Hooters 500 so special and exciting. Nothing like it had happened before and each driver had their own path to the championship battle, some winning several races, others less so, some kept having accidents or bad luck, others were more consistent, and it all came to a head at Atlanta, with a flat out battle amongst those in "realistic" shot of the title. Even in the years leading up to the Chase being implemented, there were close battles for the championship after 1992: 1995, 1996, 1997, 2002, with the latter going right down to the wire, just like 1992

[@North-101-Racing]

@@SiVlog1989 that's boring

[@SiVlog1989]

@Lowlife-jc8us maybe, but at least it makes the championship battle more legitimate. Even then, in the Winston Cup era, best average finish didn't always mean that the champion had that best average finish. Most controversial was 1990, when Mark Martin, with an average start of 5.4 and average finish of 6.6, was contentiously fined by NASCAR $40,000 and 46 points due to a grey area penalty due to a carburettor spacer, giving the title to Dale Earnhardt by 26 points despite Earnhardt having an average finish of 8.0

[@dsz2448]

@@North-101-Racinggo to a demo derby then if you don’t understand racing

[@americanbadass88]

NASCAR has been trying to replicate the 1992 finish for 30 years now and it was a once in a generation thing. This is why Jimmie Johnsons 7 championships is no where near as impressive as Earnhardt and Petty was.They had to be consistent for an entire season not just 10 races

[@SiVlog1989]

@americanbadass88 yep, it also explains Kevin Harvick's remark after being knocked out of the Round of 8 at Martinsville in 2020, where he basically said that under the current format, wins are meaningless: "You know, these championships aren't like the ones that Petty and Earnhardt ran," Even Jimmie Johnson's 7th title could be called into question about its legitimacy. He had barely limped into Playoffs, having a season average finish of 14th (which for context was Dale Earnhardt's average finish from his abysmal 1992 season, where he finished 12th in the standings) and was only in position to win it with Carl Edwards and Joey Logano crashing together after a dubious caution was called late in the race

[@ClumsyCardboard]

Seems like you'll need a part 2.

[@brockstar27]

I agree with this 110%. Honestly, the 10-car Chase for the Cup was better than this because at least drivers still needed to think of the bigger picture. Imagine what this would look like in the NFL. If all a team needed to do to qualify for the playoffs is win one game. This would mean that since 1970, only 4 teams would have missed the playoffs. Here are my simple fixes for NASCAR: - Season long championship format. - Keep the 2011 point value update, but add bonus points for leading a lap, the most laps, the pole, fastest lap, and fastest pit stop (think Grand Slam in F1). - Keep the stages, remove stage cautions. - ONE attempt at a G/W/C finish. All simple changes that would fix the sport's problems all the way down to the bone marrow.

[@TimJohnson-e3z]

solid list im not too keen on stages period but still a good list of changes

[@FrosteeWusky]

Remove stages entirely, use the current points format with a simple bonus point system, and go back to pre-2015 when there were 3 GWCs. Those are the only changes I'd make here.

[@TimJohnson-e3z]

@@FrosteeWusky 👍

[@ItzAnonyms]

I woukd argue to remove GWC entirely. It's also a gimmick made to create chaos and action, after all, in any other division that isn't Nascar, Dillion would have won under yellow, and it is perfectly fine that way too, underwhelming? Sure, but it doesn't mean a 3 seconds well maintained lead is thrown away for a silly overtime system

[@JoshLwyr77]

It’s so cool to see a bunch of people beating the drum for NASCAR to go back to a full season point system. I feel like this movement is getting louder and louder. Like others have said, the suits in Charlotte need to see this video. Excellent job!

[@LucasTA26]

Brock this is amazing and you absolutely knocked it out of the park! And people that don’t understand never have experience the true experience of racing point system. Keep putting out great videos!

[@Busch22Fan]

I agree with every suggestion. But, you know NASCAR will use that footage in promos for the next 30 years. Also, I can hear the NASCAR Subreddit now. Most of them will only watch this for the first few seconds or so, and form their typical "out-of-touch oldhead", "typical NASCAR fan, against change", "he needs to leave the fanbase, we real fans won't miss him", "he needs to take off the rose-tinted glasses", "he won't be happy until J.D. McDuffie rises from the dead and wins a Cup title", "he needs to stop being so negative", "it's not 2004 anymore", and "he's such a nostalgia addict" opinions, among others.

[@whalesequence]

Man, you got that right, the cope is really hard in some people. They'll defend any slop Nascar rolls out and calls a legitimate race.

[@MoonshineBootleg]

r/nascar is a cesspool

[@zlinedavid]

@@MoonshineBootlegReddit in general is a cesspool

[@bduddy55555]

All the people that actually care about racing have given up and left, it's just the sycophants that are left.

[@americanbadass88]

The entire system is a JOKE. If Nascar didn't decide to revoke Dillions playoff berth . He would have went from like 32nd to top 16 without doing ANYTHING. This system rewards DESPERATION no consistency......

[@joshpruitt293]

Love your stuff, Brock. Sometimes it's rough out here for us fans born in the 1980s. The real issue is NASCAR's averse behavior toward ending races under caution. There is nothing wrong with that, and that was the biggest issue on Sunday night, not the playoffs. Without a GWC, the race ends under caution with a just result.

[@PaperBanjo64]

Exactly! And instead of controversy everyone is happy for Austin Dillon winning.

[@North-101-Racing]

People want to see the race in full, that's why people pays to see the races.

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

Tell that to Kasey Kahne 2004 Michigan

[@Racer881Ken]

Getting rid of the playoffs would be a blessing

[@North-101-Racing]

Nope, it helps for younger people watching. Full season never.

[@BraydenBunch58]

How about the chase?

[@Racer881Ken]

@@BraydenBunch58 it's OK but I just think full season is better. I mean in the playoff and Chase format we only seem to get champions that have had to do less work than anyone else I mean in the playoff format alone only MTJ in 2017, KFB in 2019 and Larson in 2021 were the best drivers in those years

[@dsz2448]

@@North-101-Racingjust because you have no work ethic doesn’t mean you need to project that onto racing

[@TimJohnson-e3z]

@Lowlife-jc8us im curious, since you seem to really like the playoffs, how would you feel about the chase coming back? Imo it was a great balance of a playoff and the old format

[@robertkerr5080]

Agree 100%. Thank you for sharing this!

[@hupiscratch110]

I have the belief that the less complex a sporting rulebook is, the greater the championship is. And that's for every type of motorsport, not just NASCAR. I wholeheartedly agree with this video and I hope the fans make the push to go back to a full season championship happen someday.

[@MotorsportsFan17]

Ok, I wanted to take some time to really think of my perspective before I wrote a comment but I do want to say this: I have been a NASCAR Fan for over 20 Years. Practically been raised on this sport and I have to tell you, I honestly was too young to really understand the whole scope of NASCAR's constant changes and how they alienated people so much And that's why I've realized that the events from this past weekend have finally reached the Culmination Point of the NASCAR Fanbases anger and the discussion of abolishing this points format outright has now been raised more than ever And yeah, maybe I was too young to not understand a Full Season Points Format, but does that mean I wouldn't accept it if it were brought back? Well no because if at least one thing can be done to bring people to a concession without constantly fighting all the time, then that would be the best solution because while you can't really please everyone or make everyone agree with you, as long as something can be done to please the General Consensus, then that's what's important

[@ThePolarExpress1225Productions]

Brock We needed this 🎉 ❤

[@ROWDYBatrulha]

Brock posted another banger

[@CORF.]

I remember back when the chase was first introduced how adamant NASCAR execs were about not calling it the "playoffs" like it was a taboo word. Fast forward 20 years and its the only word that matters anymore 😂 All of us who were skeptical back in '04 have been proven so painfully right

[@rifleman1002]

In Any system, the stage cautions have got to go. NASCAR has gone completely mad in how it wants to "direct" a race instead of sanctioning it. They treat it as if it was a play.

[@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT]

Whatever NASCAR is nowadays and for the past 10-20 years is just sad and embarrassing. Even complicated and not simple nowadays. I’ve been watching NASCAR since 2009, and it’s just disgracefully sad to see what NASCAR. I’ve been cutting back on NASCAR races since Fall 2019, and rightfully so. The current and past managements have destroyed what NASCAR is really supposed to be about just to please the wrong crowd by being WWE and Ball Sports on wheels. It’s sad that this is what NASCAR really wants regardless of what TV ratings say. Not only NASCAR is okay with fake entertainment just to please TV networks, not only the gimmicks don’t feel special, but they are clearly okay with drivers killing each other just for fake entertainment. These fake gimmicks are not only bad for auto racing as a whole, but it’s also even more dangerous regardless of how safe NASCAR is. What’s funny is that NASCAR continues to keep The Chase, thinking it’s great, but yet TV ratings since 2007 say otherwise. GWC has gotten way worse for the past years because it’s gotten more common, more ugly, and more dangerous and frustrating. The longer the manufactured and fake gimmicks stay, the worse and uglier NASCAR gets. NASCAR’s also getting more toxic to watch even with its god awful fanbase. I am tired of NASCAR continuing to be the way they are still. I am tired of idiots defending NASCAR’s garbage antics and dangerous acts. I am tired of race teams work hard and spend money just to see it destroyed pieces by pieces just because NASCAR encourages dirty racing and WWE-store moves. I am tired of the drivers being forced to be put in a scenario that is so fake and meaningless and so dangerous antics for fake entertainment. There’s reasons why postseasons and “overtime” works in ball sports. Unfortunately, there are some other racing series that do have postseasons. But NASCAR is the WORST example on why postseasons don’t work in racing. As a diehard Motorsports fanatic, all I want is the best race as possible naturally and also I wanna see the best driver win it by an entire season, not all that BS resets. Unfortunately, it might take new managements (who actually cares about Motorsports by being Motorsports) for all the bad stuff to be gone. The current state of NASCAR is just sad to watch…. I am critical about racing cuz I care so much about it. I love racing. Always have, always will. Make NASCAR a pure auto racing series again. There’s reasons why I enjoy other racing series more. Cuz they are a racing series. Not WWE on wheels. Not ball sports on wheels.

[@North-101-Racing]

Stop watching, you keep on saying you cut back , here you are.

[@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT]

@@North-101-Racing 1. That’s not even an argument 2. You really care about me. How sweet of you😊🫶

[@dsz2448]

@@North-101-Racingyou’re the problem, not older fans

[@TimJohnson-e3z]

@@dsz2448 exactly

[@TimJohnson-e3z]

@@dsz2448 im a younger fan and I think that this bs needs to stop

[@tylerwilliams9910]

The voice of reason and logic as always, thank you Brock! I always thought even when the chase came into being that nascar had traded integrity for entertainment, this whole ordeal has shown again what happens when you take that path as a sanctioning body.

[@warped3x]

We've been saying no to the NASCAR Playoffs for a decade now. If this doesn't show how flawed it's been nothing will.

[@jacquescrusan9500]

At this point, I don't even understand what the NASCAR championship is anymore. My motorsports focus since I got off deployment back in 2016 has been the AMA's MotoAmerica Superbike Championship along with all its feeder division championships as well. Don't get me wrong; one race has the potential to be as good as any other on any given day, it's just that as time has marched on, MotoAmerica's produced some of the best organic storylines, rivalries, dominant streaks, underdogs, heels, and others throughout the years. Not to mention that it's easily become my favorite series to go visit during a live round. I haven't just gotten to do meet-and-greets with racers in the series. I've had opportunities to have longer, deeper conversations with racers in the pits and even after the races are over. A ticket to a M.A. event gives you a pit pass, period. Heck, I even ended up being pulled in as a spare pit support body for a lower division racer during their Road America round in 2022 out of the blue. I don't know; maybe it's just the more down-to-earth feel that M.A. gives me that makes me want to interact with it more out of my own volition that makes me value it more.

[@jarrettgrigg3589]

If they ever do go back to a full season points format, make points for the winner of the race really high if NASCAR wants to make a win matter. My opinion though

[@PaperBanjo64]

195 points for first, 5 points if most laps led, 175 for second

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

1st: 190 points (5 bonus points if you lead the most laps/win from the pole, 10 bonus points if you do both) 2nd: 180 3rd: 170 4th: 165 5th: 160 6th-10th: 2 point decrease (140) 11th-20th: 3 point decrease (110) 21st-30th: 4 point decrease (70) 31st-40th: 5 point decrease (20)

[@jarrettgrigg3589]

I like both of those ideas

[@dmzedd77]

You have absolutely nailed it. This system is ridiculous. I used to be a die hard NASCAR fan and watched every Sunday (Rainbow Warrior for life!). I stopped watching in the mid 2000's. You have expressed how I have felt for many years in ~17 minutes.

[@redracer1985]

It is definitely time to go back to how it was, no chase, no playoffs, no stages, let them race like it's 1999 all over again.

[@North-101-Racing]

That wont work, the younger demographic watch nascar less if they go back to 30 years ago.

[@greatestbrand5191]

@@North-101-Racingtossing playoffs and stages aint gonna hurt the young demographic i can promise you. It didnt help to begin with.

[@PowerStroker7]

Amen!

[@North-101-Racing]

@@greatestbrand5191 yes , it will and you know why f1 is growing. Who the hell want old people watching anyway, the old core fanbase is soooooo freaking old it's not even funny.

[@greatestbrand5191]

@@North-101-Racing funny enough, F1 doesnt use stages and playoffs which is part of the reason i watch. And i think you're overestimating my age

[@samhouston9162]

We desperately need a full season points format back

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

Because we need drivers just setting for 8th like 2003?

[@bobdole4432]

@@chrisuncleahmad666nobody settles for 8th bozo. But consistency has always been part of racing.

[@samhouston9162]

@@chrisuncleahmad666 ????

[@TimJohnson-e3z]

Absolutely. people say that a full season points format wouldn't work nowadays, but look at the regular season standings rn: top 6 are separated by 76 points, which can very easily be won, so there's no reason to keep this crap going

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

@@samhouston9162 Kenseth basically just rode around all year in 2003, not contending for top 3 finishes or leading that many laps

[@TimiVision1]

If a championship’s legitimacy is put into question every single year, then it’s not legitimate. Also to add to your point about “instant gratification” that could be applied to just about everything nowadays whether within the sport or out. The Hail Melon for instance, that got so much publicity all around the world when it went viral, all that traction lasted them like a week? Less than that? Didn’t seem to get much more eyes on the Phoenix race anyway. Whether it’s that or an insane catch in a football game, people only want to see the short form highlights for their quick dopamine fixes. That’s pretty much how lots of people consume media these days. And I think NASCAR knows that, hence why there’s so many gimmicks in place to try and retain everyone’s attention. It’s why every finale is a manufactured game 7 moment trying to recreate the excitement of the 1992 championship while failing to understand what made it so special. It’s why the stuff they penalize gets pushed out as promotional material the next week. They value “entertainment” over integrity, instead of letting racing be naturally entertaining.

[@MinivanMegafun100]

This video completely sums up why I lost interest in NASCAR. I was a lifelong fan. And over the years the gimmicks and championship format meddling slowly turned me off. To the point that when my favourite drivers retired I realized I just didn’t care anymore.

[@loonggoonedaddy]

Thank you Brock! We need to get the old point system back

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

We need to make wins not matter at all? In 2003, Matt Kenseth just rode around in the back settling for mediocre 9th place finishes Latford emphasized everything BUT winning

[@pokeboi5438]

@@chrisuncleahmad666how old are you?

[@TimJohnson-e3z]

@@chrisuncleahmad666 then just add a bonus for a win then that fixes everything haha

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

@@TimJohnson-e3z here’s an idea: 1st: 190 points (5 bonus points if you lead the most laps/win from the pole, 10 bonus points if you do both) 2nd: 180 3rd: 170 4th: 165 5th: 160 6th-10th: 2 point decrease (140) 11th-20th: 3 point decrease (110) 21st-30th: 4 point decrease (70) 31st-40th: 4 point decrease (30) 41st-42nd: 5 point decrease (20) 43rd: 10 points

[@TimJohnson-e3z]

@@chrisuncleahmad666 damn that's a solid points format ngl

[@citizenoftheyearCC]

You successfully predicted Logono's 3rd championship early in the video.

[@thenascarfan8270]

I agree with the current one point differential format. Like you mentioned, that could create entertainment without the sacrifice of legitimacy

[@TimJohnson-e3z]

agreed dude the regular season points battle is really close right now it would be far more entertaining

[@daviderk9556]

All of us That agree with Brock Beard: This is what needs to happen. NASCAR & it's casual Fanbase: NOPE, Time to Triple down with more rules.

[@magyare10]

Literally trying to force a 92 Hooters 500 at the end of every season is horrible.

[@ChampaBayBeast]

Brock for President of Nascar! As a fan that has attended and watched Nascar since I was 4 in 1991 and my Dad since the mid 70s, your closing statement says it all for EVERYONE!

[@goldsmith1210]

Thank you for being a voice of reason, Brock.

[@TomLehockySVK]

Play-offs were made during Brian France's rain, right ? The dude who was most likely high while making all the dumb decisions that ruined Nascar's natural growth. So why the hell are his dumb ideas still used, like stage racing and the playoffs when the person in charge is long gone from sport. Urgh.

[@zlinedavid]

Correction: drunk and high, not just high

[@the1andonlyiky]

What an amazing video, Brock. I really hope decision-makers in NASCAR can see this. Or Jr. That always helps haha.

[@kenzschueler]

Thank you so much for this one Brock. It's been long overdue, for someone to articulate this thought. I've felt this way for a long time. And I wish the powers that be, would really just go back to this type of season long consistency, to crown a champion

[@zacharyzbeetnoff7043]

This playoff format since 2014 is the worst you can think of. I’ll stand by this. If they used the chase format in 2014. It would’ve been a battle between Jeff Gordon and Kevin Harvick. What I liked about the oringal chase is that you had to get in on pure points and still had the value of consistency and playing the long game which helped Jimmie in his first 6 championships. Less cars makes the entry harder and created a story of how a struggling river can put a string of races to get out. Use the same method for points and go back to what worked and bring back the Chase. Not playoffs

[@MrFatLipx]

My ideal point system would pretty much just be the 2004 original Chase format. To me, they essentially nailed it in their first attempt and have just spent the last 2 decades slowly ruining it. I believe this format would be a great compromise that would still reward consistency and get rid of gimmicks, but would also help us avoid a situation where one driver runs away with it all season and kills all the hype. It's a bridge between sport and entertainment, keeping both in mind.

[@highoctanecards]

100% behind you on this. Nascar and the networks want every race to be a game seven moment. Packed with drama and excitement. Nascar isn't baseball, football or other sports. Playoffs have no place. F1 and Indy Car don't have them and they seem to be doing fine. Remember when the Bristol night race had years' long waiting list. Now you can walk up same day and get a ticket. That's saying something. I do disagree with stages and stage points. Those need to go away. A winner that doesn't place in the top ten in either stage, does not deserve to be given less points that the 22nd place finisher that led two key laps of the race and won both stages. The Latford system worked great, though not perfect. There is no perfect system. You're right, instant gratification...not only in the racing we consume as fans, but life in general. People spending hours a day on their phones swiping thru Tik Tok, reels, shorts etc. Bite size entertainment. I know the sport will never go back to what you and I grew up on. I'm not looking forward to more ridiculous gimmicks, rules and chaos. Keep bringing the great content and hopefully you don't get called a boomer too much.

[@PaperBanjo64]

A modified Latford system would be great, just award way more points for wins and get rid of bonus points for leading a single lap but reaserve it for leading the most laps...I don't see why they even got rid of that in the first place!

[@highoctanecards]

@@PaperBanjo64 I like that. More points for wins, only bonus points for leading the most laps and maybe bonus points for winning the pole. Each of those items are an accomplishment and should be rewarded. Finishing sixth in two stages doesn't warrant any rewards in my opinion.

[@PaperBanjo64]

@@highoctanecards why I'm against bonus points for leading a single lap is because teammates or friends would take advantage of that, we'd see Kyle Larson let Byron by then take the lead back or Chase and Blaney take and retake the lead, reserve it for leading the most laps it actually means something to get it.

[@highoctanecards]

@@PaperBanjo64 or people staying out under caution and leading a single lap.

[@PaperBanjo64]

@@highoctanecards right they did that too

[@keithm9835]

Bring back the season long championship. If you want to keep stages stop throwing cautions let the stage under green. Reward consistent teams.

[@North-101-Racing]

Boring aint it

[@dsz2448]

@@North-101-Racingnah you’re just a flat brain

[@masoneveridge4078]

Lowlife there’s a fine line between “boring” and “retarded championship systems” and nascar has ran a marathon into the latter

[@Zyairelitboy]

If someone who has been irrelevant this entire season so far wins a race in the next coming weeks and wins then championship, I think we need to go back to the Winston Points format

[@North-101-Racing]

Stop watching, ez pezi

[@dsz2448]

@@North-101-Racingagain, you gonna make them?

[@indianabp]

I remember back in the day, you had the championship chase towards the end of the season, and also the bottom of the top 10 standings because NASCAR used to honor the top 10 season finishers at the championship celebration and pick up the tab for them to go to NYC and appear on stage...

[@zlinedavid]

Yep, you’d see guys battling life and death over 6th place in Atlanta because that one spot would put them on stage at the Waldorf.

[@TrashHowitzer]

I really wish we could do something else. I just don't think nascar is going to give a damn what we want. They have been fighting for relevance again for 10+ years, and now that they have those talking points and the ""excitement"", they are nowhere near pressured to change things. As long as social media can use clips and drama, this isn't going away. I honestly fear that they WILL kill the sport in the coming decade when their engagement tower inevitably falls. Incredible video!

[@North-101-Racing]

Nope, they'll go to Brazil, Montreal, mexico. Nascar would go to global appeal.

[@North-101-Racing]

@DaleEarnshark3 oh, by removing all the boring roadcources?

[@masoneveridge4078]

Lowlife if Kevin Harvick can’t fucking compete in the final 4 despite winning a quarter of the seasons races I’d consider your argument about boomers and all that about as legitimate in fact this format is about as legitimate as all of Lance Armstrong’s wins (0% legitimate) and if a driver who missed 11 races can win the championship over a driver who completed all 36 I’d say get rid of the fucking playoffs and before you fucking call me a Boomer I’m 18 and I know a fucking more logical points system then the feeble minds that make up nascar today and your feeble mind show that you need to take a look in the fucking mirror and reflect what the fuck you are doing with your life if you’re defending a system this fucking bad

[@Dexter037S4]

@@North-101-Racing Meanwhile, NASCAR Canada has a season long points system and it goes down to the wire every time.

[@North-101-Racing]

Nope roadcources takes real skill

[@dalejr183]

I miss 1980-2003

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

I do NOT miss 2003 and Kenseth riding around in 9th

[@zlinedavid]

@@chrisuncleahmad6661992 was the best finish to a season ever and the champion only won twice. Only times the champion won 2 or fewer races in the Winston era were 84, 92 and 03. Once a decade. People point to 2003 as if that was the norm.

[@stephenullman4534]

I know I'll probably catch flack but i really do miss the old Winston Cup points system. I'm in my 70's and grew up with NASCAR. And yes I get it. Make it end under green. But come on, how many gimmicks can you throw at this. This system just doesn't work.

[@North-101-Racing]

Go spend time with your kids will ya.

[@dsz2448]

@@North-101-Racinggo spend some time finishing high school will ya

[@stephenullman4534]

You're absolutely right Brock. Absolutely right.

[@markwitkowski6418]

Logano jumped the restart.Thought the #3 had to hit the start/finish line first not the #22.Watch it.Brock I agree with everything you said about the mess the points system is and how it needs to be like the GOOD OLD DAYS

[@whac1c]

The diversified schedule, added with stage points, and a better points system as a whole would make what we have right now as a season-long format very interesting. While this year wouldn't be TOO interesting without Larson skipping Charlotte, the points as they run WITH the skipped race for Larson has the top Top 4 drivers separated by 21 points, with Blaney, Bell, and Byron still within an earshot of the championship.

[@stevenlangford9196]

I 110% agree NASCAR is quickly becoming the WWE! I miss the eighties and nineties when you had a actual champion!! 🏆

[@North-101-Racing]

Stop watching nascar related videos the

[@dsz2448]

@@North-101-Racingare you the KZbin police?

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

I don’t miss when we had a 2003 when Matt Kenseth basically just rode around in 8th all year The Latford format made wins matter less than fringe top 10’s

[@masoneveridge4078]

Matt Kenseth basically was a genius I bet you wouldn’t be complaining about the Latford system if it was fucking Mark Martin riding around in 8th every race instead of Matt all they had to do was give more points for wins instead of making the WWE system we know NASCAR as today Chris

[@PointNemo9]

​@@chrisuncleahmad666 That was the fault of a points system that put too much emphasis on consistency rather than winning. If NASCAR had an exponentially increasing points system like F1 then that would never happen.

[@dbacon03]

I hope the brass at the top of NASCAR see this video. We need the old points system back!

[@ryanmorrison3699]

It’s a shame this happened. Austin Dillon truly deserved to win that race on merit. He was one of the best cars all day and was leading late before that yellow came out. But all people are going to remember is that Austin Dillon bulldozed his way to a win that he would’ve definitely deserved if the race had played out under regulation.

[@SkullCrusher416]

When even Brock Beard makes a video saying that the NASCAR playoffs needs to go away, it absolutely needs to go away. i am very anti-playoffs and it delegitimates the championship and makes most of the races, specific the ones in July and August, chaotic wreckfests. Let's bring back the Full season championship! it doesnt take a College Major Degree to understand, it is simple, straight forward, easy to understand and will bring back diehard NASCAR viewers (IN THEORY) For an idea, SlapShoes made a video explaining his idea for a points system. Use that but tweak it a little to reward winners a few more points than second place.

[@chromediesel444]

Agree with everything. Just sickening seeing what it had become trying to be entertainment first over the sport. Drivers deeming ok to crash people intentionally to get ahead and we seen it with 2023 Truck series finale. Drivers will continue hunting each other down as long its in place. As much I prefer full season points, it doesn't have to be the Latford system. 2011 version was easy to understand but if it was me, I'd go with what Indycar has except adjust it to work for a grid of 40 to 43 drivers at max.

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

At least the 2011 version makes 1st Matter somewhat. The Latford format basically rewarded 2nd more than 1st

[@chromediesel444]

​@@chrisuncleahmad666till 03 yep. From 04 to 06 it was 10 points between 1st and 2nd. Then final version (07 to 10) the difference between 1st and 2nd was 15 points.

[@notiresjustgas9377]

Get rid of win and your in. It can give undeserving drivers a chance and that can cause damage to another drivers reputation

[@NASCARFAN93100]

The NASCAR Playoffs are as much of an embarrassment as The Opening Ceremony for The 2024 Paris Olympics

[@tyracer24]

THANK YOU BROCK!! it's what I have been saying for years keep the points system and stages minus cautions and do a full year points system! Not only way simpler but the story's and meaning of the season would be so much more special than the circus we have right now

[@masoneveridge4078]

Chris under your own Logic 1992 has no meaning because Alan Kulwicki was riding around in 10th

[@TomLehockySVK]

Also i just realized, in the *current season, if someone wins 35 out of the 36 races, but does not win the FINAL race or finish ahead of the other 3, then all the 35 wins meant NOTHING for the whole season.

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

In 2003, you could finish 2nd/3rd 35 of 36 races and win because Latford

[@zlinedavid]

@@chrisuncleahmad666If Kenseth had actually done that, he’d have wrapped up the title long before Rockingham. In fact, in the last 6 races, the field made up almost 350 points on him. 2003 wasn’t the abysmal mess people make it out to be.

[@tescoshortage]

From here, there are two scenarios. A. NASCAR finally decides that wrecking someone for a Playoff spot isn’t a good look, and they return to a more reasonable postseason, such as the 2011 Chase or the 2004 Chase. While not a return to full-season points, it would strike a good balance between late-season drama and an actual championship fight. If NASCAR changes the Playoffs at all, this is the most likely option. B. Phelps and the rest of NASCAR’s higher-ups decide that they “like what we’re seeing”. Nothing is done to change the pre-existing Playoff format.

[@CJODell12]

B is unfortunately more likely because NASCAR hates admitting they were wrong

[@PaperBanjo64]

​@@CJODell12they'll double down if anything, NASCAR loves controversy and doesn't care about legitimacy.

[@BloodyBoyBlue]

The higher ups at NASCAR aren’t the ones who are making these decisions, it’s 100% the TV networks. NASCAR gets big money for their rights for a reason, they give away 100% control to the structure of the sport

[@seannolan9857]

The 2011 format led to yearly race manipulation that culminated with Spingate. Aka, the entire reason we went to a "win and you're in" system. Any playoff system will result in things like this, as sponsor pressure to be in the playoffs will be high.

[@TimJohnson-e3z]

@@CJODell12 unfortunately you're right

[@DJMidnight65]

THIS. This is why IndyCar is the best motorsport in North America. No gimmicks, no wacky rules, just pure, authentic, RACING. Not the entertainment-based horseshit that NASCAR prides itself on today.

[@joshpruitt293]

IndyCar is far from perfect, but they have their point system and race procedure right.

[@BiffGreggle]

​@@joshpruitt293well said. I really, really, REALLY hope Fox doesn't start pressuring them to add more gimmicks when they take over the TV rights next season.

[@BloodyBoyBlue]

And no one watches it outside of one race. As much as I hate the playoffs, that’s kind of the argument for keeping them.

[@mitchcolburn1216]

Except for the horrible on track product

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

And has 0 excitement.

[@Mike-xh8fl]

This just constantly reminds me of howbmuch better this series was before they ruined it with the playoffs, stages and gimmicks.

[@DiegoOspina86]

Playoffs system (including Chase) has killing the motorsports magic. Look F1 or Indycar. They don't needs that thing

[@Grindtone603]

One thing I find very interesting is that when the original 10 driver Chase format was implemented NASCAR itself made it only 10 drivers because no one outside the top 10 had gone on to win the title within the last 10 races. The playoffs essentially retcon that way of thinking

[@charlespetersonjr1994]

To me the playoffs mean nothing I've been keeping track of the championship standings using S1apsh0es points system from his Playoffs are stupid and bad video, but I did make changes, I'm still using his points breakdown for position 200 for winning 190 for second 185 for third and so on. But I kept the Latford bonus points for leading laps in addition to 5 points for winning the pole position. Doing that I had Chase Elliott leaving Richmond 20 points ahead of Tyler Reddick and a mind boggling 340 over third place Kyle Larson had Larson ran the 600 he would have been closer or if he finished where Allgaier finished (13th) he would have an additional 135 points and he would have been -205 behind Elliott.

[@jimmimlitsch3425]

The only thing I would add is maybe give a bonus point to the pole sitter of each race. I think it was either Indy car or cart that did that atleast in the 90’s.

[@zlinedavid]

CART did that in the early 90s. And to me, that was the best points system. Only 1-12 earned points: 20-16-14-12-10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1, with 1 point for the pole and one point for leading the most laps. Pure, simple, easy. It’s a balance between trying to win but also rewards consistency.

[@trglocke]

Nascar, are you listening?

[@NotSteveCook]

I doubt it

[@TheCloudhopper]

NASCAR once was the purest form of endurance racing. I wish it was that again.

[@felixlueggerto]

That no other Major Racing Series adopted a Playoff system to crown a Champion should show NASCAR how flawed that system is. Don't matter if it's F1, MotoGP or Indycar, all crown thier Champion over a season long points standing.

[@Dexter037S4]

British Superbikes has adopted a Playoff system.

[@felixlueggerto]

@@Dexter037S4 I wouldn't call British Superbikes Major

[@Shawn-Leider]

The playoffs were exciting and wild for a while but it’s stale. How many drivers lucked into or out of a championship because of this format

[@philbrown7499]

One of my best friends who is a NASCAR fanatic. We’re talking about a Slapshoes video about this subject. When he was in Vietnam. One of the things that got him through the day to day was, thinking and talking about the races and who the Champion may be this year. He asked the question, what would the great NASCAR stars of the time before we lost Dale. Think of what the sport has become? Myself paraphrasing Slapshoes, it’s the WWE with cars.

[@Corvilux52]

Another thing that drags this sport down is the car. Tires too. For a while, NASCAR had this obsession with hard tires. It caused a problem because hard tires can be pushed closer to the limits of its grip for longer, meaning when you’re in dirty air and pushing closer to the limit, you’re effected by the fall off in downforce to a much higher extent. When NASCAR ran softer tires, the grip threshold was increased but due to how quickly those softer tires could overheat and lose all grip you were very rarely pushing at all close to 100%. Dirty air just wasn’t a concern and because of the different ways cars were set up and the different style of driving every driver had, you would see guys almost being able to pass at will. The concept that drivers used to push their car right to the limit lap after lap was more so just marketing, because you really couldn’t push a car to the limit and expect to actually win. Yes, you could, but it wasn’t common. Ryan Newman was a prime example of a guy that just had outright raw pace that was untouchable. But if you go back and watch a lot of races early in Newman’s career, you find out that he was absolutely hell on a car. He would be lights out fast at the start of some races before losing an eight second lead and falling back to like 6th before pit stops.

[@leonmeekel5486]

I have already made my mind up that i like pretty much everything of old nascar more than the new so i wont really be dissapointed, but i still appreciate that people like you still care about making nascar the best it can be.

[@binglamb2176]

The idea of playoffs in a motorsport context is just ridiculous from the start.

[@TreyWright34]

I think that the points format Slap made a few years back is perfect and should be the benchmark for the cup series. Five points per position, bonus points for pit stops, stages (without yellows), etc. But I also don’t mind the idea of a 12 man Chase, with the top 10 in points and two wild cards based on wins. I’ve used this hybrid format for my NR offline series for the last four years and it’s worked really well. Enough is enough with this gimmicky nonsense from the sport I love, just go back to basics please.

[@ickeyshufflin1288]

THIS. Man, I can't tell you how much I liked this video. I imagine this spoke to lots of fans just like it did me. Subscribed and thanks

[@nascarsteve]

Agree 100%. I was a die hard Kenseth fan and I feel his 2003 championship is why NASCAR created this format to begin with. NASCAR isn't a playoff sport. That's what always separated it from every other sport. The worst problem NASCAR ever had was listening to the fans, because the fans are never satisfied. Dillon had NO SHOT at the playoffs until he decided to go all Chick Hicks on the last lap, and I'm glad he still won't have a shot at it. Would rather see someone like SVG get in. NASCAR put themselves in this box, and now it seems they can't get out of it.

[@jeanbailey3550]

A thousand times, THIS!!!! I started going to Cup races as a kid in the mid seventies and lived for this sport for decades... but I've barely been able to watch in recent years. Not the sport so many of us fell in love with.

[@Cittiverse]

I'd love for the championship to be simpler to explain and reward a full season effort. Sadly, dominant performances tend to get called "boring" by fans and Playoff-related controversy generates a lot of engagement, so I don't realistically think much will stray from what we've got.

[@BraydenBunch58]

I’d rather have dominant champions instead of mickey champions.

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

⁠@@BraydenBunch58Kenseth is exhibit A of a Mickey champion

[@TimJohnson-e3z]

@@chrisuncleahmad666 how?

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

@@TimJohnson-e3z 1 win, less than 400 laps led, only 11 top 5’s

[@TimJohnson-e3z]

@@chrisuncleahmad666 better than Matt crafton's 0 wins, 7 top 5s, and 44 laps led in 2019, and somehow he walked away with the truck championship that year

[@jeremymorris6899]

The only thing I disagree with is the crash clock. Let the teams fix these cars and get back out there for the most points possible. Got some of nascars most memorable moments that way

[@RockyBreaux]

I'd love a return to a full season points format but if we wanted something that would make every race matter run 35 races and if you're able to stay within 100 points of first the points reset for the final race it allows every race to feel important and still keeps the unpredictablity that will keep fans intrigued and values points over wins

[@darrylkraatz1482]

Nice take Brock. Well thought out and insightful. Your videos are always a must watch!