Enough With the Comic Book Villains Movies

[@JohnKaung-ck2wh]

I don't think ppl are sick of comic book villain movies. It's just that 99.99% of them are just so poorly written and lacking in creativity

[@BusterBarnes]

Agreed

[@trevturp6891]

Comic book villain movies still shouldn't be made.

[@trevturp6891]

@@BusterBarnes Comic book villain movies still shouldn't be made.

[@JohnKaung-ck2wh]

​@@trevturp6891Rage bait perhaps?

[@BusterBarnes]

@@trevturp6891 incorrect

[@eduardofranco8528]

The Penguin is the perfect example of how to make a villain story work, it's so good, so well written and it fits the universe so much, it took a villain and turn him into a pivital part of the cinematic universe, Batman has some of the best villains and the fact that so much of them are just regular people doing crazy stuff can give us a great grounded universe, honestly The Penguin is one of my favorites comic book series so far, much better than anything from the MCU tv shows

[@Aceofknowledge101]

True and they could make it with basically everyone else.. I would watch a Riddler, Scarecrow, Catwoman, Poison Ivy, Deadshot, Mr. Freeze and Two-Face TV show

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

It's funny you say that last part because Agatha All Along is also a great example of a good villain show

[@lightdarksoul2097]

I don't know not sure I care what the penguin plans are for Gotham unless we see them impact the next movie

[@marktheshark7588]

​@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZepNah,Agatha All Along is a crap show.

[@callmejacob3234]

@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep No Agatha All Along is a terrible show. It's generic Marvel slop.

[@pianist150]

Making the "real" Joker a guy who's just cosplaying as another guy is so lame.

[@jakubgodyn7413]

Venom is actually the only one that actually kinda makes sense. He is the only one who actually evolved into an antihero in the comics before the existence of the movies and had multiple of his solo series.

[@cesarlopez9995]

They weren't ever going to go down that route clearly since all studios care about is cashing in the whole multiverse craze instead of adapting good storylines

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

Almost everything he's saying here applies to Venom comics in the 90s when they first spun him off as a hero

[@trevturp6891]

Trying to make Venom an antihero in the comics didn't work. He is a villain. He should stay a villain. Same goes for Loki and Agatha in The M-She-U.

[@trevturp6891]

@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep Trying to make Venom an antihero in the comics didn't work. He is a villain. He should stay a villain. Same goes for Loki and Agatha in The M-She-U.

[@trevturp6891]

@@cesarlopez9995 Trying to make Venom an antihero in the comics didn't work. He is a villain. He should stay a villain. Same goes for Loki and Agatha in The M-She-U.

[@jordangerardpotier]

It’s not comic book villain movies we’re sick of, it’s bad comic book villain movies we’re sick of. Specifically one where they make the villains into misunderstood hero’s.

[@Falkowskipllc]

Exactly. People would love a good Dr. Doom, Magneto, Mr. Sinister, Braniac, or Lex Luther movie. The Penguin TV show is doing great.

[@MatthewGabriel-bc1is]

Thank you and if we're not careful we can send out the wrong message about this whole genre

[@Mysong112]

@@FalkowskipllcI don’t know, a lot of those characters feel like they would be lacking in substance if you take them out of context they’re in. Like what is Lex Luther without Superman, a rich evil bastard without anyone to logically challenge him. Dr doom? A powerful rich evil bastard without anyone to logically challenge them. Shows like Loki and Penguin are good because they exist in a pre established universe so it’s like we’re finally seeing them on their own, which is good. But that’s not what Joker or Sony is trying to do and it clearly won’t get them far.

[@Falkowskipllc]

@@Mysong112 Lex would be a ruthless, intelligent, and selfish businessman/scientist pursuing power. The first Joker movie was quite good in my view. These moves would simiarlly be origin stories. You are right the eventually they need a powerful opponent to challenge.

[@Aceofknowledge101]

​@@Mysong112Lex can work with basically every alien in the world.. A good writer could basically do anything with that character (even adding Clark Kent without showing him as Superman, just a reporter and bilionaire bestfriend dynamic.. Something lots of DC projects forget)

[@jakubgodyn7413]

Actually, Kraven is an animal lover. He hates the modern take on the hunt where you have a rich asshole who stands 500 meters away from the animal and shoots it from afar. He is all about equal fight.

[@radrno7]

Exactly. Kraven is literally THE BEST HUNTER IN THE WORLD. If he was just about hunting, there would be no more hunts since there would be no more prey. His origin literally shows him aprehending animals WITHOUT KILLING THEM. Why? So he can train to get better by fighting them with his bare hands or to use them as pets. Of course, people don't actually read the comics, they see a guy wearing a lion head as a jacket and a bunch of trophies on the wall, they automatically think he's the definition of a hunter stereotype when he's in fact not. He's a sick man indeed, willing to brutally kill innocent prey if deemed necessary, but he's NOT just a hunter.

[@tombstonerforever9374]

Venom's third film should have seen him face off against Andrew Garfield's Spiderman. I will die on that hill.

[@rellrylio5567]

They should do that for ASM Spider-Man 3

[@radrno7]

But just a "Venom Vs Spider-Man story"? For what reason? Is it supposed to end with only one surviving? You see the problem with that? There's not set up, nothing, not even a reason. They should've just brought Hardy Venom in 'Spider-Man - No Way Home' as an Andrew Spidey villain. "Oh but we never saw Venom in the Andrew movies" we don't need to, the movie could just have Eddie being mad at Peter for something he did in New York before he went to San Francisco while Venom hating Spider-Man for getting every version of him killed in the multiverse. We could have Andrew Peter and Hardy Eddie come to an understanding at the end, just like the comics, and Venom helping the Spider-Men. After 'SM - NWH', we could get the third Andrew movie showing what Andrew Peter did to Hardy Eddie in the past, as well as Peter getting the symbiote before Life Foundation got it.

[@milkiassamuel780]

The problem isn't the characters they're adapting, its how they adapt these characters in such weird ways that take away elements of why said villains became so popular because of their iconic dichotomy between their equally iconic hero counterparts. Not to mention these movies are not always well written and you can tell these studios are desperately trying to milk these characters to be their own thing despite not grasping the long term context of the characters and how fundamental they are to their heroic rivals. That juxtaposition is important and shouldn't be forgotten about but written well and explore how that dynamic would apply in a movie instead of just making them antiheroes when they really don't need to be

[@wickdaline8668]

At least Folie A Deux looked like something well crafted. Movies like Morbius and Madam Webb reeked of cash ins from the start of their marketings.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

It kinda didn't though

[@SeanWheeler100]

Madame Webb's not even a villain. She was an ally of Spider-Man.

[@wickdaline8668]

@@SeanWheeler100 Oh well.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

I cant stand audiences every comic book villain protagonist be a glorified anti-hero who doesnt do anything "that bad" and has humanity and saves cats and whatever or treated as overly sympathetic and "relatable" like do something actually original and nuanced

[@jasonadersonwedion9874]

Exactly

[@blockwearingman]

that was not the issue with the movie

[@Aceofknowledge101]

Most villains doesn't even kill.. Take Captain Cold for example, in some version he has a no-killing rule and goes around banks to save his sister from her cancer

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@@Aceofknowledge101 apparently they only kill worst guys

[@otitoekwueme4271]

To answer the main question: not really. If the villains movies actually showed the villain being a freakin villain, that would be 🔥

[@LibertyBridgeProductions]

The way to make a villain movie is like ‘The Penguin’ series. acknowledge the hero, have them coexist and don’t make it about them being BAD PEOPLE. The Penguin is a bad person. Some Villain movies could be great: 1. Sinestro 2. Doctor Doom 3. Lex Luther (have superman in the movie) 4. Clayface (about an actor becoming a clay monster) 5. Man Bat (horror film, he’s got a sick 90s mini series they could do 6. Bizzaro (he’s got a whole world, tbf he doesn’t need to be pure evil) 7. Deathstroke (bad person, commonly ppl think he’s not) 8. Secret Six (Perfect) 9. Bane (Bane Conquest comic) 10. Vandal Savage (u can do centuries across the dc universe 11. Mr Mxhfocns and Bat Mite (would be insane) 12.Reverse Flash (literally could do his origin and include the flash just change the main character to him and it might be even better)

[@gregoryjohns3941]

Just make one exception: give me a Dr. Doom movie and screw everything. Also, Venom became an anti hero when he gets his own series

[@ludwigrinehart9941]

The penguin is actually incredible and he’s a full on monster in the show.

[@iambuhlockay8007]

Movies about villains can work, but they have to stop disconnecting them from their hero’s, and making them misunderstood anti-hero’s.

[@marcusyates3044]

If it were up to me, I would make sure that these movies just wouldn't SUCK

[@JuanEnriqueFloresJr]

Same here

[@JackEtheGuyMan]

the sonyverse films are masterpieces

[@marcusyates3044]

@@JackEtheGuyMan Morbius and Madame Web?

[@Isaacisaperson4677]

Wow such a controversial opinion

[@JackEtheGuyMan]

@@marcusyates3044 exactly

[@ahmadstewasamlrt2202]

I would like the Sony Spider-Man universe if they have a version of Spider-Man in it

[@diegoprodriguez]

Agreed. It would certainly help with direction since it’s a “Universe” to have the focal point of the universe at least present in some form.

[@rellrylio5567]

Andrew Garfield

[@Aceofknowledge101]

Kinda Erzkiel (I don't know if I wrote that name right)

[@billymccrary2246]

Or they could've just do films based on the many different versions of Spider-Man and Woman, like Spider-Man India, Spider-Man Noir, Spider-Man 2099, Peni Parker and Sp//dr, Spider-Ham, Spider-UK, Spider-Gwen, Jessica Drew's Spider-Woman, Spider-Man 1602, Mangaverse Spider-Man, Lady Spider (whose a alternate version of Peter's Aunt May), Ben Parker's Spider-Man, etc., etc. But no, instead, Sony just instead do movies based on Spider-Man's villains and remove any connections with Spidey, which is extremely over-the-top stupidly dumb! Although, we do has the Spider-Verse animated movies, so that's a plus, i think...

[@radrno7]

I'd like it if the movies were good. That's it lol. I would also like them to be officially from Andrew's universe, but mostly for them to be just good.

[@SeasideDetective2]

It's arguably a no-win situation when you make a villain your protagonist. If the villain remains a villain, audiences are offended because you're glamorizing evil. If the villain becomes an antihero, audiences are offended because you're insulting their intelligence. If the villain makes a full transition to hero, audiences are offended because you're insulting their intelligence AND because the character sucks now. At least as an antihero he could still do evil stuff.

[@teddybear8348]

American psycho will tell you otherwise

[@rellrylio5567]

The problem with solo villain movies is that is makes ZERO sense to do it without a shared universe 😭😅 What’s the point if we NEVER get to see those versions of the villains fight their hero counterparts. We will Never see: Hardy venom, Craven or Morbius take on Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man. We will never see Joaquin Joker with Batfkeck or Battinson 😪 The Payoff is never there.

[@donnae1899]

Or Tom Holland Spider-Man

[@radrno7]

Do we need to see it though? I mean, if we get let's say a Batman movie, we could have Batman facing one of these villains that got a solo movie, because Batman would be the hero. You can't bring the hero into the villain's movie, because the hero will be the antagonist, twisting the roles between the hero and the villain, you can't make a story with that. The protagonist being evil and winning against the good guy antagonist? How does that make sense?

[@akilbrazier1421]

I think that might be the definitive way to do it, and it’s why shows like Loki, Agatha (haven’t watched it plus I heard it’s been mixed reception), and Penguin. Either the villain has already faced off with the hero before and/or they will at some point. The problem seems to arise when they try to disconnect the villain from their hero counterpart.

[@SeanWheeler100]

@@donnae1899 Hardy's Venom could have faced all three cinematic Spider-Men in No Way Home, but he was wasted on a post-credit punchline.

[@ThePizzaPagel]

I like to pretend that the Joker who killed Phoenix Joker was actually Ciser Romeo’s joker and Joker 1 and 2 were just prequels to the 1966 series. We can’t ever gonna get it confirmed so I say everyone stand with me

[@lightdarksoul2097]

It doesn't take place in the 60s

[@ThePizzaPagel]

@@lightdarksoul2097 neither does the 1966 show

[@idawg7332]

No thanks I don’t want jonkler: folly and dull anywhere near the Adam west show

[@SeanWheeler100]

@@ThePizzaPagel Are you sure? What says the episodes didn't take place the time they were made?

[@redherringoffshoot2341]

I would say that the 1 character this trend does work for us Venom only cause the lore w/ the symbiotes goes so deep that it’s enough to make him his own thing, you just need to replace the spider symbol on Venom’s chest w/ a dragon symbol like what Knull has (as for Spider-Man’s dark reflection? give that role to Tarantula, who’s a lesser-known Spider-Man villain that could use a lot of development)

[@riakriak7270]

If you're going to make a villain movie, you need to treat them as if they were an original character. Build up their personality, backstory, and motivations to make them feel like a genuine person, and not just an IP.

[@Roty24-f6s]

The problem is that most of these movies are bad. The upcoming bane and deathstroke movie sounds interesting.

[@milkiassamuel780]

Bane is a character I can very much see written as an interesting character without making him an antihero, but I don't know if him and Deathstroke are a good combo? I mean you can write Slade as an antihero and it can work, but let's face it we want to see him fight the Teen Titans or Batman because he is a villain first and for most. However it does sound like it has potential though

[@Aceofknowledge101]

Movie on villains such as Captain Cold, Manchester Black and Mystique would work since they all have a plot and motivation that most watchers can understand The problems comes when the characters gets ruined to become something he shouldn't be X-Men First Class is one of my favorite comicbook films and the main protagonist is basically Magneto

[@starwarsfan6281]

The new joker sequel is such a cash grab

[@giantplays9481]

Ofc it was but the movie was not even that bad I liked i, definitely not beating the first one though

[@ethandoyle4978]

I have to agree, and it’s upsetting because these films can work , they just have to stoop separating themselves from the lore. The sony films could’ve worked if they were part of the tasm films, they could’ve had Andrew s Peter face both venom & kraven in a third and had those characters go on their own arcs. Between the joker films and the Gotham tv series, Gotham did a better job at having a joker figure around a young Bruce Wayne before he becomes Batman. And so far the one products that r handling this better r Loki , Agatha, and penguin because there doing there things without having to retcon or separate anything completely from the lore.

[@akilbrazier1421]

Kraven could’ve been the villain in one of the Spiderman movies and then headline his own movie where they could adapt Kraven’s Last Hunt.

[@ArcTrooper269]

0:19 I really appreciate your posture 👍

[@getmario64]

They’ll keep on going until two stand alone Sony Spider-Man villains will be done and just wanted to see either baddie or goodie supervillain would work if they connected in a universe with one popular superhero. If not, that’s a total waste of supervillain experience. Joker 2 just wanted to end the hype and can’t wait to see DCU’s new upcoming movie, Superman. James Gunn new debut will be the new era of making a DCU and other few projects will be related and stick well for this mid-2020’s unless this new DCU Superman movie will be good and so does the rest of MCU of Captain America: Brave New World, Thunderbolts*, and The Fantastic Four: The First Steps will be fine and it needs a good moviegoing experience. If not, I’m done for it.

[@HerbCoswellBornAgain]

The stories that did the villain as the lead thing were Penguin, Loki, Agatha All Along, and, believe it or not, Infinity War. Even the first Joker to an extent work.

[@adrianporter5749]

All these have something in common- their characters and world were already introduced (even Thanos in GOTG) including the characters needed for their story: Loki has fought Thor for years Penguin survived the Bat Agatha encountered Wanda Thanos encounters the Avengers in IW.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

​@@adrianporter5749also you can have the protags be their villain self so long as you have them somewhat fight with worse people or surrounded with better ones to show the difference. Penguin is the exception as not sure if anyone is worse than him

[@ed3nhaz4rdous]

Another thing is they’re lead by CHARISMATIC villains.

[@gabrielgomez9371]

A comic book villain movie where the villain is a protagonistic antihero and the protagonist is a misguided antagonist. For example Venom could be targeting groups that are objectively harming a misfortunate underclass of people that are important to them. Tom holland's spiderman could be made the antagonist here because his immaturity has him misguidedly protecting those institutions that are objectively causing harm. Spiderman can be characterized as trying to "settle this through the proper channels" and "reform by one small change at a time". While venom could be characterized as wishing to make more radical changes, "suffering should end right away". This could work to challenge the "great power, great responsibility" belief by having spiderman want to use his power to not risk collateral damage, while still wanting to use his power for change. And Venom sees a responsibility to use his power to dismantle institutions that do harm by expending groups of people.

[@maxordman4100]

To be honest, I would like to see more villain-focused movies if The companies just used the suitable source material. I have a copy of a comic called “Luther Man of Steel” from 2005. It features a unique dark story told entirely from Lex’s point of view and is a fantastic read. I couldn't put it down the first time I looked at it. Man, I wish DC would make a movie like this! It will probably never happen but that's still my wish. As far as the movies we got through the original Venom and Joker are the best. It all goes way off base from there though.

[@OurKindofEntertainment]

Bad movies aside, you're so close to 100k subscribers!!!!

[@jasonadersonwedion9874]

Villain movies without a hero are pointless

[@JohnKaung-ck2wh]

Not necessarily

[@petermj1098]

@@JohnKaung-ck2wh”Without Batman, crime has no punchline”

[@Isaacisaperson4677]

@@petermj1098that works for joker but not every villain

[@tombstonerforever9374]

Do you feel the same way about villain origins in films and tv shows? Watching them slowly descend into madness.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

Most aren't just crazy though

[@BusterBarnes]

This is why im NOT worried about the Bane × Deathstroke rumours as if true itd be in the DCU so atleast its already in an established world with their respecfive heros who would probably appear

[@tombstonerforever9374]

The reason as to why Joker works so well is because the "villain" is society, there is no third act where he fights a villain, he just wishes to cause violence and chaos.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

Joker was just good not really great.

[@wet-read]

​@@lightdarksoul2097 No. Joker wasn't good at all. That people think it is is either a testament to ignorance or horrid taste. Ignorance if they haven't seen the two films that most influenced it; horrid taste if they saw them and still like and think it good.

[@mr.jwashere7549]

No give me MORE VILLAIN MOVIES😭🔥Joker 1 was awesome, Penguin (even tho yes its a tv show) is AMAZING, and Joker Folie a Deux, although not everyones cup of tea clearly, i actually really appreciated some of its big swings. They just need to be made BETTER

[@shellingford135]

I absolutely agree 💯 Amazing video. Love your content, you always nail it in your videos 👌🏼💫

[@WonderWomanFan010]

A Catwoman movie would be amazing

[@callmejacob3234]

This is why I stick to Batman: The Animated Series it's iconic and the villains are brilliant. That show should be the blueprint for the movies.

[@Evoker23-lx8mb]

You can only tell so many supervillain stories without those stories featuring their respective superheroes eventually.

[@JohnJacobSchmidtt]

I've been saying this is exact the same thing for a long time.. The reason why I like these villains is because I like when they go up against the heroes.. I don't mind when they're anti-villain either, but they don't start out that way. And the whole chemistry between the The hero and the villain, the whole story lines. That's where I go for.. That's why Batman and joker combination is one of my favorite things... What next are we going to have a saber tooth movie for you know marvel, we going to have that magneto movie... How about a poison ivy movie? Without they're counterpart hero, there's no point in them.

[@bluenevla7874]

Love ur channel! Never stop making videos

[@jakepent3710]

You mentioned Agatha, but funnily enough, it was moreso wandavision that got her role in the universe wrong, she was not a villain until more recently, she was just kind of this old witch who was I guess originally a supporting character to the fantastic four. Although she has also had plenty of history with wanda as well, I don't think she was a villain to her

[@lucasdiscoverychannel5933]

I really loved the first one, and I was excited for the second one, but I’m so disappointed

[@thefilmrookie3099]

Cobblepot is also a bit more of a prestigious name with routes to a rich family history. Even the show Gotham changed the name to be pronounced differently. To ground them in the new origin of the character.

[@Arrowverseredirect]

you doing a video on the premier of season 4 of superman and lois???? im ngl it was really good. my only real complaint was the cgi was a bit wonky

[@TonyTheFriendlyMovieFan]

I don't really have that much say about these villains' comic counterparts because I haven't read a lot of comics, but I am about to say something controversial in this case: I like Joker 2, I think it has its merits despite some uneven executions; for me, it does tell an interesting story that keeps me thinking about it and it's far from Morbius and Madame Web level bad. I probably will have a different stance on this issue if I read more comics, but I understand your frustrations. For me, the Sony Spider-Man Universe movies are the true lows for superhero media these years.

[@JohnJacobSchmidtt]

I also blame Loki.. Loki's popularity made people really focus on the villains.. but they didn't make a movie just of him, they did make a TV show but they didn't throw him in a movie by himself.... But he had gained a lot of popularity, another about to do that with Dr. Doom. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a movie just of Doctor Doom now we got a big old RDJ as lead man

[@celtic19]

I think there is a space for them to be honest, in my opinion specifically if you embrace them being villains and use ones like some Batman villains that simply are never gonna get used over the A listers in the movies could make for great horror or crime movies like we’ve already seen with the penguin such as: • Professor Pyg- horror • Calendar man- Crime/Detective story • Victor Zsasz - slasher • Clayface - body horror •The Ventriloquist - Crime/psychological thriller •Baby doll - slasher ..And many more

[@PredsjednikGustavo._]

Knowing there was a Doctor Doom movie in works i am glad it got cancelled because of stuff like this

[@akilbrazier1421]

I used to absolutely hate the idea of comic book villains getting their own movies and thought it would never work, with the exception of maybe a couple characters whose stories I thought could warrant a movie. But I’ve kind of changed my tune since. I’m starting to think that villain centric movies aren’t the issue, but *who* you get to create them and *how* you create them is what matters. I’m convinced that there’s definitely a certain way to do them and Hollywood hasn’t necessarily cracked the code on it yet. The first Joker movie so far is an outlier but they showed that it CAN work (though I still haven’t seen it yet and don’t really need to). But the tv series’ seem to be a different story. They might have cracked the code on that (though I’m still not sold on Agatha or convinced that it’s actually good lol). Penguin especially is really good so far. But even then, how many villain centric projects do we really need? We are getting a Deathstroke & Bane movie from the DCU and I’ve always thought of Deathstroke as somebody who could warrant his own movie plus Bane is a great villain. But how they’ll most likely make it work is this universe’s Batman will be established and Bane and/or Deathstroke will forsure face off with him at some point whether it’s before or after their movie. The issue seems to be like you said, when they start disconnecting the villain from their superhero counterpart. And, again, the only time that worked was with Joker 1.

[@wallygator92]

Yeah, I have no interest in watching Kraven the hunter. I said this so many times before. Sony needs to stop making all these shitty Spider-Man spin-off movies and just focus on getting Spider-Man Beyond the Spider-Verse done.

[@donnae1899]

And Surrendering The Film Rights Back To Marvel

[@themightymikeshow1992]

I liked black adam for what it was wasnt terrible but not great either

[@cybersoldierforever]

What about the Bane and Deathstroke movie DC annouced?

[@thewatchtower4949]

Who would have thought making a movie without the main character's pre-established antithesis, and instead just pulling an antagonist out of their ass or not even having one

[@GbadeOlayeni]

More like folie a Doodoo

[@tombstonerforever9374]

Bruh

[@nerdrecorp54123]

Folie a duh....

[@om58499]

Most of the comic “villain” movie are just anti hero

[@OctavianKaijage]

Venom is okay on its own as a concept

[@featherguardian6023]

If they adapt a Movie or Series from the Comics, they should be as Evil as they can be because they’re Villains in the End, not misunderstood rejects, The Penguin is the ONLY EXCEPTION OF THE RULE, the Rest Just Stop, we don’t want these Films, we want the Hero to Fight the Villains, is that Simple and Easy.

[@hyperthehedgehog]

We got a Morbius and Madame Web movie before GTA 6 💀

[@SonicProdigy55]

Amen to the whole Rock/Black Adam thing! Literally NOBODY is a super fan of Black Adam! The Rock ran out of heroes or villains to play as and he just speed ran through the only option that seemed cool! 😂😂

[@PrettyboyAshtun]

i don’t like how they keep making the villains be the good guys when their purpose is to be the VILLAIN.

[@emerald773sstudio2]

I understand why these movies are not great, but I mostly interact with comic media for the villains. The original way I was convinced to watch The Batman was because Riddler.

[@giantplays9481]

Bro I got a venom 3 trailer ad right when I clicked on this 💀

[@joeking3860]

It sucks that contracts and greed don't allow us to get regular crossovers in either dc or marvel. I am sick of directors who hate the character they're making stories about; pretentious douches who feel embarassed of the comics the movie is supposed to be adapting

[@lightdarksoul2097]

I mean most of marvels people do seem to know who they are writing for not many at all are outta character really

[@Beisenterg]

Ye about that venom logo…It’s a dragon

[@Beisenterg]

@ knull got his logo from a dragon. Venom got his logo from knull

[@jamilahmonroe6487]

How do you feel about comic book villain tv shows?

[@marktheshark7588]

I mean the first Joker film was set in an elseworld.Same as the sequel.Where you will have liberties to change some stuff about characters.Marvel does it all the time in the MCU.I know Joker 2 has it's problems.But the film not being well received also shows that an audience.Who are more accustomed with popcorn flix with little plot.Won't be receptive to an ambitious film like Joker 2.

[@petrenicolae3282]

Some things that you are wrong about(in the first 3 minutes.I stopped after 2:53,sine your takes are really bad): 1) Kraven was always an animal lover who hatex the modern way of hunting.Kraven doesn't always hunt to kill and hates poachers and those who use guns to hunt animals.Sony is doing a good job with Kraven so far; 2) Venom would had been a pretty good ally for Spider-man if Peter didn't reject Venom and tried to kill him.A venom who never has to deal with Parker, doesn't become evil,so he can become a hero very simply and believely; 3)The Venom movies are really good,hell Morbius (outside of the multiverse stuff) was good.The only actual bad apple was Madame Web. Edit:I got to 6:05 And i gotta say that at least your right about Black Adam being a bad movie and Dwayne Johnson being an ego Driven man,but your wrong about the Joker.Joker in the comics dosent have a definitive origin story from where it deviates,So the movie making this Joker different from the rest(since Joker changes as a character with each era/reboot/universe) is not a bad thing.If you said it that it was your opinion,then i wouldn't be upset,but your saying it like its an actual fact, which is not true. Edit2:I got to the end of the movie,and yeah, your right about Joker 2 being bad and Loki, Agatha and Penguin being good villain shows,however, your wrong about none of the villain movies doing good,they did good and the right way.When adapting a comic book character,let people go wild!As long as they don't do anything stupid,then let them go wild with the origins of the characters and background.

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

Joker 2 really doesnt have anything to do with the Joker or Batman, but i was kinda looking forward to you discussing it. I really think you should go see it and talk about it here. It'd be funny and insightful

[@jondoe2979]

We live in very twisted times, where Superman is used more as a villain in stories while insane psychopaths like Harley Quin and tyrannical dictators like Black Adam are sitting on the table with the justice league. Honestly I always hated this idiotic pretentious trend of villains being redeemed or changing who they are to make them more sympathetic. It is really irritating, sure sometimes it works like with Red Hood and Winter Soldier, but other characters such as Harley, Venom, Catwoman, Magneto, Poison Ivy, Clayface, Black Adam and others are all villains and should remain as such. Being morally gray works for some characters but not for others. Deadpool and Constantine for example are supposed to be morally grey. Superman and Spider-Man are supposed to be morally good. While the Joker and the Red Skull are supposed to be evil. Every character is different and are supposed to be different things.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Anti hero Venom only works BECAUSE we see that character development from villain to hero its what makes that character special to me and many others. I like goofy venom but even in the comics he wasnt on THAT level of goofy at least not intentionally. No Spiderman means no character development

[@ephraimbenyamen2428]

8:56 venom 1 made 800 million dollars venom 2 made 500 million dollars and it seems like some early predictions for venom the last dance it seems like it will have the best opening weekend out of all of the venom movies

[@daimonatkins3046]

Even with the limitations of Covid, Let There Be Carnage doing as well as it did helped encourage other to put bigger movies back on the big screen without the need for a side release on VOD and while the other Sony Spider-Man spinoffs haven’t done nearly as well, Venom maintaining the fan base he has is sure to at least bring him a decent Box Office return with The Last Dance

[@yamatheintercom2972]

*Enough with comic book villain movies that don’t include the actual hero

[@redrocksvlogs]

Yes, after 2024 having comic book movies about villains should be done because the way how studios executed these movies, sucks while the shows in a perfect way.

[@jimmyvolakis5194]

When he said Morbius isn’t a popular character I stopped watching.

[@gwahh760]

honestly i went into it thinking it was going to be horrible and i loved it. it’s one of my favorite movies of the year for sure. people just hear musical and lady gaga and dismiss it but it’s a beautiful movie

[@wintersoldier164]

I think r rated horror villain movie Scarecrow psychological horror A slasher killer croc movie Clayface movie with body horror

[@agnking]

Loki was peak

[@DiamondBatToons]

THANK YOU!! I'm beyond sick of this movie trope & I hate that they're doing it for literally EVERY comic book villain! NO YOU FUCKING DON'T!! The only exception is Venom because it fits his story in the comics. But even then, Sony STILL fucks it up horrifically!

[@radrno7]

These movies could've been so good, but it's like the studios don't know how to do it. Either they do it right like DC did with the first Joker and the Penguin show, or... they step back and turn them into heroes like the Sony movies and the second Joker movie. Stop trying to make villains so small, they're so much more! They're not victims trying to do good, they don't care about petty things like what people do to them, they care about what they want and they do bad things to get what they want. It's ok to have some motivation like Thanos or Zod, but you have to remember, they do bad things to achieve their goals. It's their decisions what makes them villains and that's what people want to see. It's much more interesting to see a character choosing to do what will create the conflict then to see them fighting against it. Look at 'American Psycho', 'Godfather', 'Wolf of Wall Street', 'Breaking Bad', 'Sopranos', 'Game of Thrones', they're all examples of how to make villains protagonists, so stop deconstructing them. Just take and build up on them.

[@DangerDave-e7u]

Villains have nothing to do without heroes.

[@WeebGuru6]

If they had used agent venom flash Thompson that could’ve worked

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

I disagree with you. I need movies about Comic Book Villains, as we need movies about Comic Book Heroes. The issue with the movies we’ve been getting is that most of them are terrible or sequels that didn’t understand why everyone loved the original.

[@krono5el]

Still havent seen any of these villain movies, they seem like they are missing the best part.

[@lamondlense]

I feel like comic book villain movies could be interesting without the heros if the studios just had faith in the characters. You don’t have to ruin the character by making them more of a protagonist - just give them more depth, that’s why Walter White is such a compelling villain in Breaking Bad - he is multi layered and the audience cares about him despite his actions.

[@plex3035]

Penguin 🐧 is the best comic book series in years!!!@@

[@marvel22-mf1js]

Venom: Let There Be Carnage was success and that came out after 2019 and it came out after joker. Box office $506.9 million Budget $110 million. It made a profit.

[@mexicanhomervideos6175]

I loved joker 2, unlike all superhero movies in the last 5 years were terrible except this one

[@therealmr.incredible3179]

If they wanna make a Villain Movie, MAKE A *VILLAIN* MOVIE. Not some Anti-Hero BS where The Character is Likeable. Make the Villain a Irredeemable Menace who’s truly Evil, Show them Winning despite The Hero’s most Valiant Efforts. We’ve been getting Anti-Hero movies disguised as Villain Movies. We want True Villain Movies.

[@oliserpas2326]

Hahaha he got that meme voice as his actual voice 😂 he weally diwdnt like the joker

[@Operation_Bagel]

6:35 Her name is Harleen but her nickname is Lee

[@hakeemqureshi]

Agreed bro 👊

[@fignatoli-guevara5826]

Say what you will about these Comic Book Villain (except not actual villain) films, but they're still better than The Crow (2024) which I dub as the biggest fuck you to it's source material.

[@CApt-NinJA]

Trust me.. it's barely a musical

[@laverniustucker8198]

and yet, most people like the venom movies, and are excited for the third and Kraven

[@stormz7282]

Is it just me who kinda liked this movie

[@marcelinovazquez5128]

Comic book villain movies aren't a bad idea it's how they are presented. In fact I have an idea for a Red Skull movie that is completely grounded with no affiliation to the superhero genre. It would essentially be a family drama film taking place in modern times and about this guy who falls victim to neo Nazis and white nationalism by the fascist society that is being plagued. The idea of where he got the Red Skull mask would be an attempt to sway other to his side thinking it just looks badass. This turns a seemingly harmless object that has no meaning into something that is associated with a hateful ideology. The family drama aspect would be represented in the form of him slowly losing his family where they don't agree with his ideology and try to help steer in on the right path before it's too late with it ultimately concluding in them disowning him. There would be a strong emphasis of how even though he fell victim to an immorally bad ideology, he has done way too much damage to try to redeem himself. I think this would be best directed by Spike Lee or someone like him at least. Obviously there would be controversy comic book fans would have and I do understand that but I think ideas like this are something worth exploring as they in new types of creativity

[@erikfinkel2717]

First time viewer, but I heard that they changed the Penguins last name, so he didn't come from wealth.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

I heard it was because his name was too comic booky and the change was more realistic