Enterprise D VS Romulan D'Deridex Analysis: The FINAL Outcome! Part 2 of 2!

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[@nickvinsable3798]

Question: how much for a one, no, two time thing? I only have two ship requests, one starship & one ugly starfighter (best description), as well as some animation breakdown if needed & such…

[@stcredzero]

It sounds a little like you were influenced by my Yamato vs. Iowa analogy comment from part 1!

[@mrbreck1]

I have an official star trek magazine in storage. It has a featured article on the galaxy and d'deridex warbird. It has been decades since i read it but it favored the galaxy vs the d'deridex. It stated that despite the size of the warbird it was noted to be poorly armed for a vessel of its size and class.

[@konradoziom2225]

Considering the resources required to build each vessel, is really unfair for Enterprise. Romulan vessel requires 3-4 times as much resurces to construct, when compering sizes. Possibly more.

[@OptimusPrime-m8z]

This is just fan fiction for those that favor romulans cause they think the ship looks cool. I really was hoping this was going to be more objective in relation to the cannon information. If it's just art, then there is no right or wrong. But it is flat out wrong in trek cannon. First off, romulans in TNG are analogous to the Soviet union and the cold war in their geopolitical relationship to the federation. In a GENERAL sense, they were inferior in culture, economy, and technology to the federation. The idea that "bigger is better" is false. What the showrunners tried to convey was the idea that the romulans were "all bark and no bite". Their ships HAD to be bigger to convey intimidating presence to make up for the fact they had weaker and less efficient power systems, as portrayed in "tin man" episode. The war bird destroyed their own warp engines in effort to barely keep up with the enterprise. Second, bigger isn't better or more powerful, just more gaudy. Their ships are less maneuver, less elegant, less capable. Their weapon systems use a "brute force" approach to combat. In other words, if they don't finish you in the first few shots.... emphasis on "if".... they can't hang in the battle. They rely on their cloaking device and withdraw. The enterprise could very easily fire a sustained phaser burst. Because the warbird is so much bigger, it requires much more energy to maintain the shield bubble, which means the shields would fail much more quickly compared to the enterprise. To be fair, both ships have incredibly powerful weapons. But also to be fair, apart from the romulan "alpha strike" .... federation weapons far outclass romulan, and even in the star trek universe most other races would prefer to aquire federation weapons on the black market than romulan or klingon if they can't make their own. Federation power systems are in a class of their own, allowing the federation to attempt missions that nobody else would even consider. The main deflector would have destroyed the borg ship if picard had not been captured. And they came close to moving a moon back into orbit before Q stepped in and helped. This hypothetical battle leaves the enterprise with its tail between the legs in every scenario... and just not realistic. Not to mention photon torpedoes and quantum torpedoes are FAR more deadly than given credit.... thanks to the ludacris plot armor of star trek 3 where two direct hits aren't enough to take out a bird of prey.. In TNG photon torpedoes get a serious power upgrade and produce a blast field enough to cover 2/3 of a borg cubes face. In a general sense, in a real head-to-head battle, the enterprise would be the clear victor, although nobody would "win" the engagement. There surely would be casualties since warbirds are truly powerful in their own right. Also take note, that for this exercise you also chose to use a warbird version that you noted yourself as sporting upgrades that the enterprise wouldn't have encountered, while denying upgrades to the enterprise that were cannon, but not implemented until later in the franchise. So on that basis alone, your simulation is biased against the enterprise.

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

I was expecting an overwhelming victory for the Romulan warship, but you make some very good points about the Galaxy-class ship, Federation wartime protocol, and the *coughplotarmorcough* skill and ingenuity of the Enterprise crew, so I am overall satisfied with the results.

[@TheBigExclusive]

You aren't giving the Enterprise D enough credit when it comes to weapons. In the TNG episode "The Survivors", Riker orders all weapons to commence rapid fire at maximum power while launching all torpedoes. The Enterprise D fires a ton of phaser shots and torpedoes blasts. But Your video shows the Enterprise being rather sluggish in the amount of weapons it can fire at once. The Enterprise D can definitely output more weapons fire than what you showed.

[@Stlaind]

I think a LOT of people, even Starfleet fans, underestimate just how scary a Galaxy can be when it needs to be.

[@AldanFerrox]

Just rewatched the scene. That kind of alpha strike probably would cause a Warbird a lot of trouble if everything hits.

[@Orionmatrix2015]

Also, in the best of both worlds, the Galaxy class can fire an 'alpha strike' with her own phasers. This was not shown in this scenario.

[@Yeager123123]

Agreed. The galaxy was absolutely intended to be luxurious exploration vessel with unparalleled capabilities in combat. It was designed in-universe and from the writers to be HIGHLY effective in combat. The writing often supported this. It was stated and we were shown just how capable and powerful the galaxy is. We’ve consistently seen that Galaxy’s can deal magnificent damage, generate tons of power, and can sustain massive damage to shields AND to its hull before systems begin to go down, let alone be disabled or destroyed. The common fan position that it was underpowered is simply not supported canonically from TNG and DS9. The Galaxy is awesome

[@adambroughton6548]

I think a lot of people don't give the Galaxy class anywhere near enough credit. It was top of the line for Starfleet for a long time, able to fire massive spreads of photons with a pretty quick reload, and those phaser arrays are no slouch either. It's documented to be notably faster than the D'Deridex and significantly more maneuverable. It's shields seem to be equal or better. Aside from the Odyssey which was taken out by a suicide run, I don't think we've ever seen a Galaxy destroyed in the Dominion war, but Warbirds definitely didn't fare that well. In terms of the D'Deridex, we've only seen them fire on the E-D once or twice. Once in "Tin Man", where that was more of a hit and run situation, and once in "The Defector". Picard never seemed all that intimidated by a single D'Deridex. In "Data's Day", he was willing to chase one down in order to retrieve a Vulcan ambassador that turned out to be a Romulan spy. I feel it's fairly safe to assume that when a Romulan commander said if they wanted to destroy the Enterprise they would have done so was more of an intimidation tactic than an accurate representation of vastly superior firepower.

[@Cyke101]

Those anti-matter "chaffs" need to come back if only to add more variety to modern day Trek battles. In Voyager and Enterprise, for all the different races and technologies they encountered, almost everyone in the galaxy seemed to rely on the usual beam/warhead/shield combo. In the 31st century, it's more of the same! At least the chaffs would add something different to the usual arsenal.

[@tommytwotacos8106]

This has really irritated me about Trek battles for a long time. I always thought the prime opportunity for Trek to have really developed in this way was with the introduction of the Borg, who were supposedly all about adapting themselves to become invulnerable to their opponent's weapons. Yet, after that very first encounter when Data is forced to modulate phaser frequencies to even get a small number of hits through their shields, we never see this "adaptation" ability utilized ever again. Even in how Starfleet is supposedly an analog for Earth's navies, we see no progression to aircraft carriers, only one or two episodes that deal with strategic unmanned ordinance, almost no automation of point defense weaponry, the most unimaginative application of existing technologies possible (ie - when the ship's transporters are down, nobody thinks to use a shuttle-craft's transporter), very little introduction of new technologies that aren't simply iterative improvements on existing tech, and no real variations in tech and tactics from alien races save one-offs like the Tholian Web which exists only within the bubble of that particular it seems. The Borg one pisses me off the most, though, since we turn out to be better at computers than the race of sentient computers. One of the things that Battlewhore Craptastica gets right that Star Trek gets wrong.

[@BlastHardcheeseable]

By the end of the Dominion war, the Galaxy class would probably have firepower very close to the Warbird of 2366. It would have Quantum torpedoes, more powerful phasers, some hull armor in vital areas, and upgraded shields that are probably stronger in addition to resisting Dominion weapons. Of course, the Romulans would have been stupid not to similarly upgrade the D'deridex by 2374 to have similar improvements, yet the Warbirds were often visibly more damaged by Dominion forces in the DS9 battles we saw than the Galaxies. I think the gap between both ships' combat effectiveness would have been much smaller by 2374.

[@sabrevanson4412]

I think you are missing a point for why the romulan ships looked more beat up in the show after combat. They are 2x the size of a Galaxy. Much easier target. Also, as discussed they are warships first and foremost. The dominion, a warring faction, recognized the bigger threats. Thats not to say the fed ships were pushovers or anything. But, if I was the commander on the field, I would order the targeting of the BIG guns first if possible. Also, federation plot armour is another point. But, I will agree, with the seclusion of the Romulan empire, they probably didnt have the same "Need" the Feds had to upgrade their technology as far. So, youre probably right that the gap would be smaller.

[@coldbluelight1985]

The Dominion was very fond of ramming Jem'Hadar bugships into enemy combatants. If you were a Jem'Hadar, or the founder directing them, and had both a Galaxy class and a D'deridex on your viewscreen, which one would you think it was more worthwhile to slam your ship into. Also take into account who was probably being more brutal/terrifying to the Dominion and Cardassians on their respective fronts. I mean imagine captaining something like a Galor and a D'deridex uncloaks in front of you.

[@stcredzero]

The D'deridex use armor to make up for the gap in shield technology. Of course, they are going to look more "beat up" in a battle than the Enterprise!

[@NA-en7kz]

@@stcredzero I don't think they are that heavily armored. Generally shield tech seems to go Star Fleet > Romulans > Klingons. While armor seems to be Klingons > Star Fleet > Romulans. Romulans usually have more agile ships with more exotic power systems and ship designs but suffer from rigid command structures and systems that don't seem to be able to fully capture the output potential of their power systems.

[@deinekes9]

@@coldbluelight1985 It's not so much the tech level or combat value of the Romulans that result in more damaged D'deridexs but rather their ship and fleet philosophy. The Romulans and especially the D'deridex is uniquely vulnerable to the Dominion and their swam tactics. The D'deridex is optimized for a massive forward alpha strike and then cleaning up weaker ships afterwards. Weaknesses in the Warbirds' arc of fire are supposed to be countered strong shields and by cloaking and disengaging for another round later. But odd thing about the Jem'Hadar fighters is that the are strong enough to require multiple capital ship weapon hits while being numerous and expendable enough that losing a couple ship per engagement pulse is usually a good trade for the Dominion. Also add in the Dominion's anti-cloak tech that must be far more effective up close. It's hard for any warbirds to cloak and break off when under fire from dozens of Jem'Hadar fighters constantly lighting them up. It's like a few lions fighting a big pack of rabid hyenas. Sure the lions can kill any hyena in a few strikes but they will never kill fast enough to win or be able to escape the fight. On the flip side, the omni-directional Starfleet ships are pound for pound better at beating off the Jem'Hadar. The Galaxy class in particular with their numerous phaser banks are very good at fighting many smaller enemies. Also, unlike the Romulans and their overly Warbirds-centric fleet philosophy, Starfleet simply have better and more numerous lighter destroyer and light cruiser level escorts that pair well with their battleships and heavy cruisers. All that being said, the D'deridexs must have had a lot of fun with the Cardassian fleet.

[@henryherold4515]

I'm not surprised by this outcome at all, and I agree with it. The fact of the matter is, the Romulan warbird is a purpose-built warship made to kill peer opponents, and the Enterprise is a generalist cruiser whose weapons at this time were designed mostly for self-defense. The Enterprise could disengage and get away as long as it isn't taken completely by surprise, and maybe win a war of attrition with its superior range, maneuvering, and fire control, but the sheer size, durability, and firepower of the warbird makes it an uphill battle for the Federation flagship at best.

[@raideurng2508]

You forgot the Galaxy's largest advantage over the warbird, it's speed. It can sustain high warp factors far longer.

[@giovannirodriguesdasilva646]

Don't forget sublight speed, Federation ships are notorious for their agility, we can see on several occasions where the Enterprise is very agile, especially in the Dominion War

[@5133937]

He covered that in the first video.

[@burniejarvis9298]

Well, I agree with 90% of your video. I feel like the shields of the Galaxy are significantly better than a lot of people think. And federation ships are pretty maneuvereable. If the Warbird gets the sneak attack, it's instant victory. But I think if it came to a slug fest. The Enterprises' shields are gonna make it a dragged out battle. The Warbird would probably still win, but man, would it take longer than the Warbird would like.

[@jasonwestwood7092]

Fire-power even Speed and Manoeuvrability Galaxy class and by 2368 Tachyon Detection sensors if the Warbird gets to close.

[@jasonwestwood7092]

The Enterprise D can defeat 1 providing they aren't taken by surprise.

[@terrencejones9817]

The Saucer section has back up fusion reactors and it's own shield generators.

[@atigerclaw]

It also has an aft torpedo launcher hidden in the attachment cutout. Between that, and the two launchers on the stardrive section, the warbird could easily be eating thirty photon torpedoes in less than a minute. If Tomalok is running the show, he may treat those opening torpedo salvos as a sign that he's about to brawl two fully functional torpedo boats that have him in a crossfire. Two torpedo boats that can ECM most of his heavy weapons, and tank the rest fairly well. That is not a position a commander like him wants to be in with the slower, ambush-reliant vessel. Especially since he'll need a lot of time to recharge his heavies. He'll likely choose to withdraw before the fight can escalate beyond the opening exchange.

[@danscholl9972]

@@atigerclaw exactly. As the saucer withdraws after the antimatter spread, it turns its aft torpedo launcher and unleashes a full spread, then it unleashes the stored energy in its huge phaser banks. Not a ton of shots, but this essentially doubles the Enterprise's firepower for one volley and hits the warbird on two different shield grids. This could easily collapse its shields, and even thought the saucer is weaker, it can divert its power to the shields and weather the storm; or, if it goes after the stardrive, continue it's barrage from another side or even get behind it. This gives the Enterprise a decisive victory.

[@terrencejones9817]

@danscholl9972 It's possible that saucer can stay in a fight for quite a while. Remember DS9 is only powered by fusion reactors and it's phasers are very powerful. The saucer has space for very large fusion reactors. Not to mention the huge shuttle bay, it's very possible that all the shuttles could be plugged into the grid and their power used too. That also brings up another point, in wartime a Galaxy is also a carrier, that shuttle bay is massive and at least 3 decks tall.

[@danscholl9972]

@@terrencejones9817 yes, especially if the phaser banks were already charged-up. Here's the general breakdown for it's power usage: the fusion reactors in the saucer impulse engines provide power for thrust, or to ship's systems. So if they are making a hard burn, there wont be a lot of power for anything else besides say, 1/3 shields. If they are at station keeping or not thrusting, there is enough power for full shields, or firing a lot of phasers. Conceivably, they could get away with say 2/3 shields (or just powering the arc facing the enemy) + a moderate recharge on the phasers once they are drained from an initial volley of blasts. Now, were it gets interesting is if they can turn the aft of the saucer, or do an unpowered flyby after they got some speed going and cut the thrust, so that torpedo launcher can be used. That sucker can fire a serious Alpha strike of 10 warheads, and it doesnt use a ton of power! I wish they had shown that on tv.

[@danscholl9972]

@@terrencejones9817 the saucer is seriously underrated as a useful 'sneak attack' or diversion from the predictable focus on the stardrive section, which is no slouch, either. It's quite easy to see a big enemy like a warbird fal prey to it sneaking behind or at a 120-degree angle to the stardrive and unloading a full spread of torpedoes + a full volley of phaser blasts on a weak shield arc.

[@seriouslypretending]

Dude I have wondered a lot about how I would do it if I were in command of the Enterprise and it came to blows with the Romulans. Your third scenario is strategically brilliant and totally lore friendly. My plan was always to lure them into a tachyon detection grid with support craft and probes so you could fire before the Romulans could drop their cloak and raise shields. I love the trap you set. Beautiful!

[@13175catalyst]

This is about 1v1 in this scenario. Not multiple ships, and using the events from the episode :redemtion 2" in TNG. :D

[@deenchaumun8120]

I think the Voyager episode ‘Message in a bottle’ shows that these warbirds struggle against smaller heavily armed ships that can stay out of the way of their formidable forward guns. 2 defiants and an akira were causing 3 warbirds real problems and one of them looked to be in severe distress before the prometheus powered up and joined the fight.

[@vonshroom2068]

That accounts to poor writer knowledge more so then proving the weakness of a D'Deridex. They couldn't use borg, kardashian or dominion ships as enemies hence Romulans were used since the federation is at peace with the klingons again. The Akira would hurt a D'Deridex from range for sure and Deviants can do some decent damage on top of that as well. How ever what we see is an Akira fighting up close with two Deviants on its wings against not 1 but 3 warbirds. The Deviants shields would collapse on succesive strikes showing their reactive hull plating blowing off. The Akira up close makes it lose its long range siege ability as that one also does not have an Galaxy class shield generator so its hull would be hammered as well. They could have severly damaged one and maybe disabled another but then you'd end up with 3 federation ships severely damaged and disabled. The Prometheus was just the writters giving up as they couldn't turn that episode in to a two parter so absurdity happened. They could have ended that show way better by simply having the Q continium bringing them home after defeating the borg which posed a threat to them as well. I mean Q played with voyager several times of sending them home. Tt would have made more sense and bring back TNG's Q style of being a trickster with the heart in the right place sort a thing.

[@davidadiwego4608]

Nah, the plot required the federation to kick ass, quickly

[@randyrowley5965]

​@vonshroom2068 nice try, but the warbirds are paper tigers. They never so much as destroyed a fly.

[@davidadiwego4608]

@@randyrowley5965 "They never so much as destroyed a fly." Because of the plot(s). Yet, when the plot required it, the warbird was a formidable opponent.

[@randyrowley5965]

​@@davidadiwego4608that's entirely speculation. The only time we ever saw them fire was in Tin Man and The Defector, and that was photon torpedoes. I speculate that's all they had.

[@terrencejones9817]

Remember when Picard interrogated the Romulan defector, he specifically asked for the capabilities of the Romulan warbird. The way he asked , it wasn't fearful, it was as if Picard expected to face more than one warbird at once, and while maybe not win against 2, i believe Picard thinks they can get away from them, and I Believe most often a Galaxy beats a warbird.

[@RoballTV]

(Before I start, I love your vids every time, and appreciate your reasoning with the examples you provide to support them.) I dunno about this. I think the D'Deridex is vastly overpowered in these scenarios. The Enterprise has been surprise alpha striked by a D'Deridex in the past, and the main problem was that its Warp drive was temporarily knocked out. Plus it was considered 'mutually assured destruction' when 2 D'Deridex squared off with 1 Galaxy and 2 K'vort class. 2 Kvorts, barely defeat a Vorcha. 3 Kvorts just about manage a Galaxy with heavy losses. (As shown in the alternate timeline). But 2 are considered enough to equal the odds in a fight between a Galaxy and 2 D'Deridex? Let alone the obvious, the D'Deridex faired barely any better against Dominion attack ships than Cardassian Keldon classes. (Though, Polaron weapons were still causing trouble then). I'm sure the D'Deridex is more powerful in a cloaked alpha strike. But beyond that alpha strike, it seems to be a brick that can barely maneuver to defend itself, and vitally needs its near perfect cloak to escape and reposition. Also, We have no evidence that Romulans still use the slow 'energy glob' plasma torpedoes of the TOS era. They just use disruptor beams and plasma pulses. The alpha strike would be brutal, but it'd not be the Starship/Space Station buster that 'Balance of Terror' experienced. Those days are obsolete. Even the Scimitar, the Apex Romulan warship, only uses Photon torpedos and Disruptor cannons. So in summary I think the scenarios 'mostly' play out as you describe. But even in scenario 1, the damage would be fair less significant to the Enterprise, which would like be able to fight back, but likely also have it's method of escape disabled first. It would be a far more drawn out fight. There's a reason the Romulans were intimidated by the Galaxy class, after all.

[@Th0ughtf0rce]

The Enterprise when ambushed could be taken down by 2 B'rels. Gowron was also ambushed and caught with shields down. I think it would take 3 K'vorts as well to take down a fully combat ready Vor'cha. I also took Picard's statement to Tomalak as: if everyone involved focused fire, i.e., both warbirds fired on the Enterprise, the Enterprise and Klingons fired on Tomalak's warbird, they (Tomalak and Picard) are dead. And it was 3 K'Vorts (they looked even larger because of SFX blunder). I think they would have cleaned up the remaining warbird, albeit taking damage themselves. All of that said, power scaling has never been Trek's strong suit.

[@gregoryguevara9649]

I think the romulans were more intimidated by who was commanding the Enterprise rather than the Starship itself...🤔🤷

[@admiralkirk6103]

Don't forget the Romulans don't like a fair fight. Even if the D'Deridex was 10x as powerful as the Enterprise, they still wouldn't risk losing one just to take the Enterprise out. Especially since they probably have less ships in general. Otherwise, it is really just a case of ships having inconsistent power levels. Like in Generations, there's no way the Enterprise should've lost that fight with the Bird of Prey, even with the shields being bypassed. (Seriously? NOBODY thought to modulate the shields randomly? Wasn't that standard practice for the shields to always modulate randomly due to the Borg?) (AND your telling me the Enterprise could only win by backdooring the BoP to force it to cloak? Absolute nonsense, one of the worst fights in Trek in my opinion)

[@3Rayfire]

@@admiralkirk6103 Remodulating the shields wouldn't really work since Geordi would've kept looking at the current frequency. I still think the Enterprise-D had a manufacturing flaw. The exact same sequence of events destroyed her in Yesterday's Enterprise. And the Odyssey took similar if not greater damage and wasn't destroyed by it.

[@srawdawg6188]

"But beyond that alpha strike, it seems to be a brick that can barely maneuver to defend itself," That is funny you say they are bricks because that is exactly how it felt flying them on the game bridge commander. Looked cool, massive, and the cloaking / decloaking sounds were nice. But yeah outside of that decloak strike they were not much. This video acts like this D Deridex is basically the Scimitar or that ship on the Picard show.

[@sammy-gd7hw]

You way under utilized the phaser arrays of the enterprise. In all fairness the enterprise d is a hybrid. Military,utility, science vessel combo. Their are variants of the galaxy class that will waste a warbird, say the dominion upgraded version. Standard version, severly damages a warbird but will likely lose the fight.

[@logangodofcandy]

I don't believe for a minute that the romulan ship could decloak and immediately wipe out the enterprise. They would have done it, or at least tried it

[@countsdooku]

I thought the same thing, until I remembered The Defector. 2 Warbirds decloak and take shots at the Enterprise. There is some damage to the ship. However, when Riker orders Worf to return fire, Picards says no. He says to Riker: "This is just a tap on the shoulder. Otherwise we wouldn't be here talking about it." This implies that an all out attack on the Enterprise would've been devastating. Yes, I know there are 2 Warbirds, but the fact remains that Picard knew that if the Romulans had unleashed everything as soon as they decloaked, the Enterprise would've been star dust. So 1 Warbird might be able to knock the shields down to 20% or so after one volley.

[@JimmyCerra]

The Enterprise lasted a long time without effective shields in Generations. I don’t think even a surprise attack would be so victorious. Otherwise the Romulans would have taken advantage of their tactical superiority several times.

[@neilwhit220]

The issue with your assessment... an aged BOP is *even with shields down* not very powerful. Holding two dated disruptor cannons and older torpedo casings. The warbird... is another animal entirely. It is actually edged just above the Galaxy class in output. At point blank with no shielding... there is little the Galaxy class could do.

[@tristanwhite3472]

@@neilwhit220 yes it was a old bird of prey.

[@hornet8576]

Not gonna lie, that first scenario was kinda brutal and terrifying!

[@SchneeflockeMonsoon]

I had a thought recently, one that suddenly made a whole bunch of sense as to why the Romulans didn’t just try to steamroll the Federation with these. That being: power. The Romulans rely on an artificial singularity to power their vessels, while Starfleet utilizes a matter-antimatter reaction core. These both have their pros and cons. Let’s go over them. The Romulan power system (based on what information we’re given by Romulan officers and views of the ships themselves, as well as what we know from real world physics) actually provides a much lower output than you might expect. However, that energy is constant and doesn’t require fuel. It just pumps out X Watts all the time. Now, this means there are two scenarios the ship will oscillate between: too much power and not enough power. When they have too much, they can’t just turn it down, they have to put it somewhere. So they’ll naturally have some massive capacitors. We know Romulan ships operate with battery power, especially while cloaked, so this is likely where they keep that power. This neatly leads into the second scenario, needing more power than they have. If they fill their batteries, they can use it later when they need it. This also makes sense as they field mostly warbirds, or vessels designed to swoop in, hit hard, and then either have won or withdraw to hit again later. A Battlecruiser design the Federation would later take inspiration from when designing the Defiant and Sovereign classes, albeit with their own twist. Meanwhile, the Federation utilizes warp cores. We actually see these warp cores develop over time, from the pill-shaped on aboard the NX-class ships to the horizontal ones the TOS era had, then to vertical in TMP, which got denser and more advanced into the end of the series. This requires fuel of both matter and antimatter, along with Dilithium crystals to regulate and operate the reaction. This means they have to constantly feed the reaction, and it doesn’t run itself like the Romulans, but they can crank the power up or down to fit their needs. This comes up several times in how they adjust phasers to run through the warp core for more power, which would seem to be an upgrade thought up and used many times before being forgotten. Once with the NX-01, once with the 1701, and then with the Defiant. However, we can see that this is actually due to phaser development. A new phaser design can’t run a whole warp core’s worth of power through it, but as they get to the end of a design’s limits it has the throughput to let it all put. Then, when new designs come out which hit harder with less power, they revert to using capacitors to buffer the energy (as we hear about on the Defiant). When relating specifically to this matchup, we need to look at either ship. The D’Deridex’ massive wings are probably host to positively titanic batteries, designed to help augment the ship’s operations when in combat or hauling @$$. This means that when they go for an alpha strike or when they begin an operation they can punch well above their weight class, but that drops off steeply until they’re struggling to keep their shields up *and* operate the inertial dampeners so the ship doesn’t tear itself in half. Meanwhile the Galaxy carries the largest warp core ever built. It runs from the back of the saucer section to the keel, just behind the main deflector (no wonder that thing could be made into a Borg-killing super gun). It’s positively massive, and as warp core technology improves (as it did with the Defiant) that’s just gonna be more room for more power. It also has several of the most modular and adaptable phasers to let that energy run wild. It might not have as many weapon nodes, but that ring up top could probably cut a moon in half when let loose. Given this, I can see the three scenarios operating fairly similarly, if different. Cloaked Ambush: Romulans overwhelm the Galaxy too fast for the shield emitters to compensate/prevent burnout, disabled quickly. Straight up: the Romulans hit hard but find Starfleet hits just as hard, and it turns into the Muhammad Ali vs George fight. The D’Deridex wears itself out too fast, and while the Galaxy is smaller and gets hit a whole lot, it just keeps swingin’, and swingin’, and swingin’, and eventually the Romulans get creamed. Expected Ambush: If the Galaxy can spot the Romulans and has authorization to fire before the shields go up, then my friends we’re serving roasted warbird tonight, watch as she carves it up! Regardless, great video, have an awesome day!!

[@paristeta5483]

Well done write up, i had a similiar thought about the different Powersystem but could never explained it as well as you did. Have a nice weekend!

[@3Rayfire]

The Galaxy class warp core is further aft relatively than the Constitution class refit which did indeed have her warp core running from the top of the neck to the bottom of the keel. The Galaxy class core only goes from the bottom of the ship to roughly the top of the deflector with the remainder of the stardrive hull above it being deuterium tank. (that's seventy years of development, the Connie's core is actually a few decks taller).

[@lukedogwalker]

Great point about the different means of providing power and their inherent advantages/limitations. I love the explanation for the Warbird's design, as well.

[@SchneeflockeMonsoon]

@@3Rayfire According to some schematics, yeah, but that really doesn’t make a lot of sense. That would have it running right into the Impulse Drive, which is a beefy reactor in and of itself, and that’s…well, a recipe for disaster. If the Bluegills had the original Galaxy built that way, I could maybe see it, but they had to have updated that at some point. Especially since we know Starfleet likes to build their warp cores bigger and bigger with time. NX->Connie->Connie Refit->Constellation->Excelsior->Ambassador all of which have their cores at the tallest part of the mast so they can cram in as much room as possible. The Excelsior even has that extra chunky neck to fit it in with the keel of the ship.

[@unlimitedhornetworks]

This video successfully captures Picard's consistent failures in starship combat over the course of TNG's 7 seasons.

[@alexyoon-sungcucina7895]

Scenario 4: Tomalak hires some Ferengi with two decrepit Birds of Prey, watches with glee as they take out the Enterprise-D and somehow manage to defeat Starfleet Security in boarding action that would be suicide if done to a Klingon ship.

[@Lotikwahu]

Excellent presentation! I loved the descriptions too. When the Enterprise D was fired upon by one of these Warbirds, Picard noted that it was a 'tap on the shoulder', since they "wouldn't be here talking about it" if they had intended on fighting or destroying the Enterprise. I've always wanted the stories to flesh out what Lieutenant Worf was referring to when he claimed: "Removed of her BULK, Enterprise makes a formidable weapon.". It was clear that he seen the saucer section as an impediment in battle. So, it would have been great to see this 'formidable weapon' in action. Many thanks for sharing this adventure!

[@BigJwlz]

There were two Warbirds involved in that tap on the shoulder.

[@andrewnegron288]

On the third scenario did you forget that the saucer has phaser arrays and again you're under estimating Data an android capable multi second of scenarios! In that scenario the saucer would have plenty of fire like it was seen when they faced the Borg cube so it would have given the crew enough time to have reinforcement to backup the Enterprise, there in the border in federation space! But there should be a part three to this. Because I believe you would have had a mini war in our hands between the Federation and the Romulans!.

[@AlternicityBlogspot]

Let's also take a moment to admire this man's cg, which is well beyond TNG era canon Trek. Awesome job!

[@ichemnutcracker]

I think the D'Deridex is quite a bit more vulnerable than it sounds. All of its weapons are forward-firing, and even if its disruptor arrays are capable of some angled attacks, it has no rear-facing weapons at all. And that isn't even to mention the absolutely huge target its silhouette makes and the presumably poor maneuverability that would come with that. Together, that makes it extremely vulnerable to flanking. I think the stealth alpha-strike scenario is a definite win for the Romulans, and certainly what the D'Deridex was meant for. But I also think that almost any one-on-one fight against a reasonably equipped near-peer would edge towards defeat for the Romulans the longer it went on, assuming they do not withdraw.

[@theindooroutdoorsman]

Ain't no damn way that glass cannon of a ship is taking a Galaxy class ship offline through their shields in one volley.

[@keithbaker1951]

A klingon bird of prey did... of course it wasn't against the shields but the shields have been shown to not be all that powerful 😅

[@theindooroutdoorsman]

@@keithbaker1951 That bird of prey bypassed the shields of the Enterprise, so it was as if they landed multiple direct photon torpedo and disruptor hits to the unprotected hull right on top of the warp core. Lasting as long as it did without shields is yet more evidence the Romulans would not be able to defeat the Enterprise if it had its shields up before the fight started. There is a *MASSIVE* difference between knowing the shield harmonics and completely bypassing them, and having to hit them so hard they drop.

[@undeniablelogic1963]

I see what you're getting at in the different scenarios, but I would have to disagree with the first one. I genuinely believe that a Galaxy class shield array could protect the engineering section of the vessel from the Romulan alpha-strike (only just enough to prevent hull damage; shields crippled and down). While I agree that a Galaxy class would be defeated in the first situation, I also believe that it could return fire and cause some form of moderate damage to the Warbird, preventing her from further missions without repair. Thus, she's not easily allowed to run amok in Federation space. Either way, the match-up is very close in my mind. The Romulans have been hiding for many decades, isolated and not fully aware of others' force doctrines. If I recall correctly, the Warbird was designed in a predicted response to the Galaxy class, based upon their knowledge of the Ambassador class, captured years earlier. TL;DR: My opinion is that the Galaxy can put up a stiffer resistance to Romulan aggression than what is depicted here. However, this would not guarantee her victory in the first scenario. As well, I believe that shields would certainly last longer than depicted. Regardless, excellent breakdown and animation.

[@stephenbarr1355]

TNG era Galaxy Class would struggle, but I still think if a Galaxy class unleashed all its phaser arrays and torpedos in rapid fire mode it would cause significant damage to a warbird but it would need to survive the opening salvo from the warbird. For me it comes down to the skill of the Captain/Commander.

[@bsmnt23]

I think we have seen some significantly higher rates of fire from the Enterprise over the course of the show. They can stagger phaser fire from both the dorsal and ventral phaser strips of the main hull as well as the secondary phaser strips all over the rest of the hull. Also the photon tuxedoes can fire in bursts of 6 or 8 but they can sustain volley fire far more reliably if they fire only 2 or 3 at a time. I think you could alter your outcome a bit if you account for a higher rate of fire.

[@3Rayfire]

10 Torpedo burst fire from any launcher.

[@Psych1_-]

I tend to agree with your conclusion. Now could you do one in an alternate reality where Picard, after taking the Enterprise out of the asteroid with the advanced, protype cloak decides to attack the Romulan warbird that was waiting outside, without it's cloak activated?

[@Snowwie88]

I don't think that would help, because the photon torpedo's would also be out of phase and not be able to damage any other ship. The prototype cloak (as seen in Pegasus) was merely a defensive option, but could not really be used for offensive actions.

[@Psych1_-]

@@Snowwie88 Thanks but I didn't mean it that way :). I just meant that it would uncloak and attack the Romulans the same way the Romulans would ambush a Federation ship. Would the Enterprise have the firepower to take down a Romulan warbird? This video pretty much showed that a Galaxy class ship isn't much of a match. At best it "might" win. So with a cloak to ambush a warbird, how'd it do?

[@s2k997]

@@Psych1_- That is a really good thought. If nothing else, the phasing cloak would allow, possibly for the first time ever, the Enterprise to win the positional battle e.g. it could decloak at any angle or distance from the warbird. We've seen that most of the warbird's weapons are forward-facing (on the show, we normally saw the 'head' based weapons used), being able to appear/start the fight directly behind the warbird, keeping most of its weapons out of range, could be incredibly devestating. I suspect the Enterprise has better maneuvering, and it certainly has higher speeds on its side, so the warbird may have a hard time (or impossible) to actually get itself around (as the Enterprise would be moving as well, and in the most inconvenient way to the warbird,) to bring its forward weapons array to bare. The Enterprise may take longer with its weapons to dish out critical damage, but with the Romulans unable to fire effectively for the first/majority/all of the engagement leads to a likely outcome. And there's another edge here - if the warbird did bring its primary forward weapons into effective positioning, with sufficient distance to add latency to their attack's initiation-impact, the Enterprise could just phase cloak again to miss the volley, and either immediately dephase to continue the attack, or play the positional game again. Unlike a regular cloak, which leaves a ship incredibly vulnerable to being destroyed if it is (somehow) still hit, the phasing cloak (presuming the plasma system doesn't fail or overload) gives effective immortality - its safer to recloak mid-battle without risking clever guesses or advanced sensor applications permitting weapons fire to hit it. Standard cloaks are risky against competent crews, just look at Star Trek III/VI/VII. The phasing cloak changes everything as we know it.

[@Luris-Den]

I've always believed that the D'Deridex is effectively a paper tiger made to be impressive-looking in order to maintain control of the empire. Look at its structural design: it's enormous yes, but it's largely made up of empty space. The Galaxy even technically has more mass despite the D'Deridex appearing nearly twice as large. It's seemingly designed to intimidate through being the biggest battleship on the block. Cloaking technology plays into that fear-and-paranoia-based system of control in that you don't know when or where they are at any given point. It has a strong ability to punch first, but if that punch misses it doesn't necessarily have the ability to win a stand-up fight.

[@orkhepaj]

it does , it is a battleship , the other one is an explore vessel

[@davidadiwego4608]

I seriously doubt that galaxy class has more mass than D'Deridex class. The size of the D'Deridex does seem to be exaggerated in this video, but even a normally sized D'Deridex seems to be much more massive (heavier) than a Galaxy. For one, D'Deridex's dorsal and ventral structures, which extend to the nacelles, are EACH comparable in width, depth and length to the Galaxy's saucer. If rotated 90 degrees, D'Deridex's 'head' structure would be of similar length to the Galaxy's drive section, but with much more girth.

[@Luris-Den]

@@davidadiwego4608 Weirdly, the D'Deridex has a listed mass of 4,320,000 metric tons to the Galaxy's 4,500,000. Despite the size difference, all of that empty space makes the Galaxy slightly larger.

[@davidadiwego4608]

@@Luris-Den I've seen, studied sooo many images of D'Deridex. Everything I've seen tells me that it is much bigger than the galaxy class. Even if D'Deridex were compact, i.e no vertical space between the dorsal and ventral hulls of the 'mid-body' of the ship, the open hollow, the D'Deridex would still be larger, in all 3 dimensions, than the galaxy class. It is possible that D'Deridex are made with much lighter material (metal?) than galaxy class, and/or are much more sparsely fitted-out internally. IDK. As the federation and Romulans are roughly equal technologically, I doubt that the Romulan ships would have lighter and stronger/weaker hulls than the federation.

[@sh1310]

I appreciate getting the D'D hardpoints right

[@MacTX]

11:30 I don't understand the part about the saucer section running out of power after the antimatter spread. The saucer might have not had something as powerful as a warp core for a power plant or a stockpile of antimatter as vast as the drive section, but their matter/antimatter generators were powerful enough for shields, phasers, impulse engines for a short battle scenario. We've seen that onscreen. Would they really shoot off their entire supply of antimatter so that they wouldn't have any left for their matter/antimatter reactors, and leave the saucer dead? I might expect that from raw cadets, but not seasoned officers under Picard's leadership. If they were going to go to the trouble of abandoning the saucer section and use it as a decoy, I think they would have moved a few dozen or more photon torpedoes to the front of the saucer in case they needed to arm them and ram the warbird. I'm sure Worf or Riker would have suggested it. Just letting it float only to be destroyed like target practice by the warbird seems like a waste.

[@davidadiwego4608]

I thought the impulse engines were powered by fusion power generators. I too questioned the suggestion that the saucer couldn't fire phasers if separated from the drive section. Apparently, it's debatable whether or not the saucer could fire while separated. Seems stupid if it couldn't fire phasers.

[@andreabindolini7452]

I suspect that, in the nose to nose brawl, if a preparation can be made, the Enterprise could simply destroy the warbird with the deflector dish weapon seen against the Borg

[@BenShepherd-kl9pz]

I really thing you have underestimated the amount of fire power the enterprise can unleash in a single volley. The torpedos have been long regarded as devastating. Reading certain aspects of lore a full volley of 10 torpedos at maximum yield with a phaser spread from four banks would easily take down the romulan sheilds at impact points, forward, aft etc. With 9 phaser banks that can rappid fire. This argument has come up more than once another battle was against a 20 year old Klingon bird of prey in the movie. A full volley of torpedos would have obliterated the Klingon , but the Klingons were able to destroy the enterprise. Even kirk got the first shot away in search for Spock.

[@erichidalgo8153]

I’ve been saying for many years that Generations should have been Riker vs Tomalok while the Duress sisters flee without their weapon. Would have made for an epic battle and finale for the Ent-D.

[@esecallum]

Why not replace that scene as nowadays as can be done easily

[@davidadiwego4608]

I would've been happy if the klingon ship were a Vor'cha. That would've made a more fitting, less insulting executioner for the Enterprise D.

[@erichidalgo8153]

@@davidadiwego4608 Still I believe the Ent-D can handle a lone Vorcha. The D'Derridex puts the Enterprise-D at a true disadvantage even without a decloak alpha strike but a toe to toe scenario.

[@davidadiwego4608]

@@erichidalgo8153 Shield-less Ent-D will handle a Vor'cha? If by 'handle' you mean barely survive severe beating, then yeah.

[@erichidalgo8153]

@@davidadiwego4608 With such a ship they don't need to resort to gimmicks but rather just anger and rage in the dialogue that starts the battle.

[@MORE1500]

As much as we all love Star Trek, it's only make-believe. If I were writing a script, I'd design an upgraded Enterprise D that could destroy 3 Warbirds. In Nemesis, the Enterprise E seemed to fare better against the Scimitar than the Romulan ships. The technology of the Federation is at least on par with the Romulan Empire.🖖

[@marcosargen3729]

Very good analysis. It's really a combination of the experience of their respective commanding officers and preparedness of their crews.

[@tylerdude1982]

Would love to see a Sovereign-Class/D’deridex matchup

[@Darkjedi030]

Agreed. The Enterprise-E would be better equipped for a fight with a Romulan warbird.

[@joshchappell5394]

Yes! Let’s make that happen.

[@davidadiwego4608]

@@Darkjedi030 equipped with less sheer mass.

[@jaminallen3119]

Your last comments won me over!! Good description thanks for the work

[@christopherlong9493]

I agree with this mostly, but there was something mentioned in Bridge Commander that I would think would apply here. The size of the Warbird was more for imposing psychological fear (in the words of Data, “It would not be an atypical Romulan Ploy”) and the shielding systems were a substantial power drain. While an alpha strike against a TNG season 1 Galaxy would devastating, later seasons especially, the post Wolf 359 upgrades would be able to tank the shots. There was really nothing in the show talking about the power core and its efficiency as it was mentioned in the game. While I understand “a games not canon” it does make a lot of sense that the shields would be a weakness of the warbird and would depend on hull strength for survivability. Also it was pretty awesome seeing the Dauntless at the beginning!

[@3Rayfire]

I think a lot of that comes from Tin Man, where the first D'Deridex had to permanently damage her warp drive to even keep up with the E-D in a race to Gomtuu.

[@davidadiwego4608]

No intelligent, strategically minded civilization (presumably not having endless resources to waist) would build a squadron/group of unconventionally massive ships just for the sake of intimidating enemies with their sheer size. IRL, Star Trek writers and designers aren't very concerned with making BIG ships make practical sense. IRL, the TNG Romulan war bird was made to be so massive so it was a spectacular, dramatic baddie for the Enterprise to have encounters with. A much more realistic, sensible in-world explanation for the massive size of the war bird could be the following : The war birds are multi-role capital ships. They're massive weapons platforms, they're troop transports, they're fighter-craft and landing-craft carriers, they're mobile space-docks, they're hospital ships, they're cargo transports, etc. I imagine that the large, semi-enclosed empty space between the nacelles on the war bird would accommodate various mission modules. When you have an interstellar empire to tend to, with presumably massive distances between imperial worlds, colonies and outposts, it makes practical and economic sense to have one big ship undertake many roles instead of lots of smaller ones. An added bonus of your, necessarily huge, ship is its intimidation of your enemies.

[@christopherlong9493]

@ or they adopted the mo of “Carry a really big stick”.

[@neoluna1172]

I hadnt really considered just how great the range advantage of the Enterprise is, and I had totally forgotten that the anti matter burst was a thing, however I was ultimately correct in believing that the only way the Enterprise could survive a cloaked sneak attack is due to just how crafty Picard and crew are.

[@jamescrandall6380]

I believe the Dominion upgraded variant would be more than a match for the the warbird.

[@alexincobra7379]

I think you messed up the firing sequence for the Romulans. They don't fire spreads of torpedos, and you didn't let the Enterprise fire all of it's weapons at once. Have you not seen "Best of Both Worlds?" I also disagree with the first scenario because the Romulans are not familiar with the Galaxy Class's schematics, so they shouldn't know where to target without scanning first. The scanning will definately give up the claoking, exposing the warbird, and leaving it unsheilded momentarily. The last scenario also would be wrong because , again, you didn't let the Enterprise fire all it's weapons and the saucer section did't fire it's two phase arrays. It wouldn't be out of power after firing antimatter spread. That trick is to only confuse sensors. It seems you have barely watched TNG at a glance and didn't study the schematics.

[@TalberNalliso]

Some torpedoes, Full Spread-Maximum Yield, from the saucer section's AFT bay as a parting gift woulda been nice. AWESOME WORK.

[@davidadiwego4608]

since when does the saucer have any torpedo bays?

[@NA-en7kz]

Scenario 1: I think the Romulans do have the ability to overpower or outright destroy almost any of the other ships in one pass by using the bleed from decloaking to power their Alpha Strike. Scenario 2: This overlooks the absurd power output of the primary phaser arrays of a Galaxy class. The photon torpedo launcher ability to potentially launch up to 24 torpedoes before a reload is needed, and to be able to do this in short order as the tech manuals seems to indicate. A Galaxy class in this sort of engagement I believe wins, but is likely to be dead in the water and may effectively be considered a draw as the repairs are likely to take months, and it may be more effective to simply move the crew to another ship. A Dominion War variant fully crewed and equipped I think could potentially withstand the attack and limp back to base under their own power. As I feel the updates are that significant based on the performance of the Galaxy class in the Dominion War. No Galaxy class was lost during the war. Only pre-war. And pre phased defenses. Upgrades! (That I think should be considered) The Galaxy class has undergone several updates and modifications during her time in TNG. This is in part because even at launch she was not fully loaded out with all the goodies originally envisioned as being designed for her or that she was designed for and was even launched with 35% of her frame empty. Later Dominion War ones launched with 65% of their frames empty. The updated warp core helped to resolve, though not eliminate, the power disruption issues as well as increased warp speed and total power output. This was again updated after Generations. Shield tech was also noted as having been upgraded over the course of the show as new metaphasic shield tech and energy delivery systems were created or revised. In 2370 new higher yield torpedoes and Worf designed targeting systems were introduced. We also see in Generations that there had been another significant weapons update as the Enterprise now had Type XI arrays over the prior Type X arrays. There are other updates, but none that I think have much bearing on anything presented in these scenarios.

[@MoparNewport]

In general, i would agree with the first two scenarios. However, in the third? Id play it quite a bit differently. Firstly, agree with evac-ing non-combatants. However, both hulls have a plethora of shuttles that are armed; and all are capable of at least being ONE torpedo each. In your scenario, you use the shuttles to evac the civvies - I dont think there'd be time nor space for that. Ergo - Firstly, all the civvies are evaced to a planet if possible, or in escape pods near a class M planet. Second, keep the saucer lightly crewed - this will be necessary for battle repairs and flexibility on the fly -- but all the shuttles are also launched and on standby. Third, heavy tactics time - bait the warbird into an asteroid field or nebula. Either are perfect for hiding an armada of shuttles; the latter, depending on nebula type, also provides for a Kirk-esque strategy if needed. Fourth, when the warbird DOES strike, start off with that antimatter spread, but limit it to preserve saucer power, with the stardrive pressing home the attack, using just the bow torpedo launcher for her ten-spread. Soon as the saucer finishes its initial light show, she spins around, and with her own aft-facing torpedo launcher - which according to the tech manual is just capable as the stardrives pair - both hulls coordinate for a joint, 20 torpedo barrage on the warbird, at point blank range. Warship or not, no way in hell that warbird is gonna shrug off 20 torpedo hits up close; especially having just eaten a 10 torp + phaser barrage. Then, as both hulls pull back to reload, the shuttle armada descends from the asteroid field/nebula/far side of the planet/etc, keeping up with the barrage; until the warbird retreats or self destructs - we know Romulans dont surrender. If either hull starts taking heavy damage, the shuttle swarm starts early. The shuttles that are normally unarmed? They are uncrewed and set to kamikaze and/or engine overload into the warbird. By the end of the battle, both hulls will have taken some damage, but it wont be catastrophic; though the bulk of the shuttles will likely be space dust. Crew casualties will be light to moderate; but given the type of battle, "Well within acceptable parameters". Enterprise herself is still in good combat trim, and not short a saucer. End of the day, yes, in a straight fight Enterprise is at a significant disadvantage; however she has a LOT of tools in her toolbox; she simply need use them with some sharp tactics and she'll win.

[@3Rayfire]

Evaccing to Galorndon Core is a non-option, part of the crux of the episode was there were extremely limited transporter windows and shuttles could make the descent safely. Also staying on the planet too long starts to break down cellular structures due to the extreme electromagnetic field.

[@trustin.p9504]

This was a great bit of fun. One of the TNG movies should have been based around this fight.👍

[@allysonracadio9715]

I think you may be downplaying the Warbird’s impulse speed capabilities. It was able to keep up with the Romulan scout ship in “The Defector” and actually feign being slower and unable to catch it. I think despite its size, it’s quite maneuverable and quick at impulse. It’s top speed that it cannot match against the Galaxy-class.

[@jameslewis2635]

TBH the only way I can see a positive outcome happening in this battle for the Galaxy Class is due to the 'plot armour' of this particular ship being the Enterprise. The Galaxy design has too many concessions toward carrying a large civilian population which in itself is a weakness in that the main crew have a duty to keep these civilians safe which the Romulans could use against them (think hostage scenarios). The large amount of personnel that don't have 'crew functions' also limits the amount of tactical systems that can be carried within the hull as they all require space along with requisite supplies and life support systems which again will take up more space inside the hull and would be a constant drain from the ships power systems. This means that there is less power available for the tactical systems than there otherwise would be with a more streamlined crew compliment.

[@orkhepaj]

most comments are from fans wanting the galaxy to win ,but it wouldnt happen

[@davidadiwego4608]

We don't have to be zealots of canon, especially when it really doesn't make sense, like the federation's strategic deterrent heavy battle-cruisers (Galaxy class) also being some kind of passenger or generational ship. Just because it was said or written a few times by official creators, and maybe alluded to somehow by a character, doesn't necessarily make it worth sticking by. In practice, from our main experience of the goings-on onboard a galaxy class ship, there was hardly ever any reference to any significant number of civilians being on the Enterprise during most of the, avoidable, dangerous events. So, we can stick to stupid canon and assume that star fleet and Picard are grossly reckless with civilian lives, or we can just ignore stupid canon, or think of off-screen, unmentioned excuses like: oh, they probably off-loaded civilians before they went gallivanting after the Borg. Or: when they realized the Romulan's were back and causing trouble, they limited civilian presence onboard.

[@TheCosmicNemesis]

I love the idea that the Romulan ships can carry smaller cloaked battle ships. You don't even need to actually have the ships because the idea that they could be there is enough to heavily question your chances against it. It tips the game theory in their favor either way. Its very characteristically Romulan. That would make a cool TOS style confrontation I think. A Kirk style starfleet captain betting on a belligerent D'deridex not having extra ships cloaked inside

[@Kuriamo22]

I don't think this saucer would be powerless after an antimatter spread since it's still got the saucer impulse engines and whatever backup generators they got. They should at least be able to maintain the shields and give several bursts with a phaser array to be an annoyance to the deretics while it's trying to shoot up the Star drive section it still might be destroyed but I don't think it would be as hopeless as you were implying.

[@DisFantasy]

I don't think the approach for a lone D'D would be as easy as you depict it. Supposing the Galaxy expects a warbird in the area, they'd conduct random maneuvers leveraging the Galaxy's agility to thwart such an attempt. The cloaking device and the D'Ds general ungainliness would put them at a disadvantage when it comes to dictating the range of engagement. The Galaxy might not be able to find them, but the DD can't catch them.

[@AndersonNeo12]

Magnificent work ❤ I much Starfleet, but scenario 1 is the most likely 1:39

[@Cyke101]

the alarms and power down noises are sounds I'll make during a power outage in real life, haha

[@S60Rguy]

This was so entertaining and I think you got the details right in each scenario. I would have liked to have seen a phaser barrage from both the saucer and stardrive section during their retreat, but I think your scenario assumes that anti-matter spread drains the saucer section's offensive power. Either way nicely done and I love the CG models. Would love to see the Defiant go up against the Warbird :)

[@ssyn6626]

Behold the my kilometer long flying green SPACE TURKEY! Idk why I find it funny imagining a Romulan saying that to Picard.

[@MackeyDeez]

If I had to describe the Romulan D' derix bird of prey. I would say that they would be ships the Romulans are reluctant to use in prolonged fleet engagements since their ships are powered by a singularity. Meaning that if a warbird take on too much damage, then an explosion is imminent. As to why the Romulans only disengage their cloak to attack at point blank range, minimizing the chances of an enemy ship firing a full spread of photon torpedoes followed by a salvo of phaser fire.

[@donovanbradford8231]

Agreed Romulans always seem to want to close the gap and reaction time of its targets. So while the war bird might have more power there is the chance it's more of a glass cannon at this point pre Dominion War than say a Galaxy class is.

[@MackeyDeez]

​@donovanbradford8231 Indeed, I believe that the Romulans are the type to set you up for a turkey shoot. They'll faux lose a territory and wait to an enemy establish a base of operations. Once enough enemy ships are in dock and the crews are drunk at a bar. That's when the signal is given to decloak and wipe everything out.

[@davidadiwego4608]

Star fleet warp cores aren't exactly placid while the ship takes significant damage. As we saw, a 3 minute battle, without shields, with an obsolete Klingon BoP will cause a Galaxy class' warp core to blow. And what about those relatively big antimatter tanks which di-lithium warp core (federation) ships have? Antimatter is the most violently reactive stuff ever. It seems to me, a singularity power system is actually less of a liability than the warp core + antimatter tanks setup.

[@MackeyDeez]

@davidadiwego4608 Starfleet ships can eject their warp core if the ship takes on too much damage. But, a singularity we're talking about the power of a mini black hole. Meaning the warbird could implode or cause a rip in time space if there's a rupture in the micro black hole's containment.

[@davidadiwego4608]

@@MackeyDeez correction: Starfleet ships can *attempt* to eject their warp core if the ship takes on too much damage. Did you see Generations or DS9 S01E01? No ejecty possible. And what of the antimatter storage tanks? They're there. They're never/rarely mentioned in he shows, but they're there. Whether a ship completely implodes (D'Deridex only seen exploding) or completely explodes is equally catastrophic to the ship. Maybe an exposed mini black hole of a war bird is more dangerous to nearby ships. At the end of the day, star fleet ships (di-lithium + antimatter reaction core ships) have TWO or more components of the ship (core + 1/2/3 antimatter tanks), typically located in different areas of the ship, that are catastrophically destructive to the ship if containment is lost by enemy weapons fire. The D'Deridex has one as far as I'm aware: the mini black hole.

[@afterglow-podcast]

In the show Picard states after taking fire from the Romulan ship that "it was just a tap on the shoulder, otherwise we wouldn't be here". That tells me it's capable of inflicting heavy damage on a Galaxy class quite quickly. Granted, the more diverse crew of a Galaxy would help make tactics the Romulans might not expect. And we see in another episode a couple Klingon bird of preys supposedly even the odds teamed with a Galaxy class against two Romulan craft.

[@Chicken-x6q6d]

That is a much better version of the Warbird that what we saw on screen, I always thought it seemed under-powered in TNG and DS9 compared to the armaments and defensive capabilities it had on paper. I think there is one other option not considered and that would be the tachyon/antiproton scan but since we didn't see these until later, and that the former took many ships to pull off the first time, that would be a long shot. This is a good analysis of a 1v1 situation between the two IMO. However, knowing the Romulans as we do I think it is quite unlikely they would engage in a 1v1 battle where they could potentially lose unless it was a situation of last resort. If they wanted Enterprise gone it would have been as they'd send 2 ships.

[@Shermos]

Two of my favourite ships of any sci-fi universe. Great work.

[@detsaw23]

Nice opening firing sequence!

[@jonathonalsop2120]

Nice thought put into this. The first scenario is realistic if the Galaxy is caught off guard and we aren't giving out plot armour. We see that play out with the refit Ds own alpha strike using the phaser lance in All Good Things. Dominion War Galaxies would be a different ballgame, but this is all about that early TNG era.

[@aj74205]

It would actually have been a wonderful to gambit to see the saucer separation sequence onscreen, especially if the saucer was destroyed and the audience was somehow not made aware that no crew remained onboard. While I think the Aquila model you've depicted is overpowered relative to what's depicted onscreen, it's a fantastic model, and a wonderful analysis accompanied by great visuals. Keep up the awesome work.

[@peters6345]

Very interesting, I like the final scenario. I think it's very plausible in terms how the show would handle this

[@Stlaind]

An interesting clip for you to take on - the "Wandering Galaxy problem". In Sacrifice of Angels we see the Federation trying to break through a combined Dominion/Cardassian fleet, during which we see several sequences of Galaxy class ships moving "against the flow" in a direction opposite the rest of the fleet, but with no indications of battle damage nor that they are under significant pressure and need to retreat. What the heck explains that? On this, I think I'd have given the Enterprise the advantage a bit more in any situation where they've got the shields up and any time to react in what would become a stand-up fight. The Warbird is more likely to front load their strike, but a Galaxy isn't a slouch there either - especially if it volleys a full torpedo spread and then rotates to bring the most phaser arrays online that it can as well as going fully cyclic with their phasers like we see once or twice when Riker goes all out. They likely can't keep that up for a full battle, but against a Warbird being able to go head to head in bursts of fire every time they decloak is going to be a LOT better off than you showed. Similarly, there's no reason the Enterprise with it's superior firepower wouldn't undergo some form of evasive maneuver to protect critical ships systems during the initial attack. I'm unsure why Starfleet never did seem to use the antimatter spread in other situations, aside from antimatter seeming to be one of the very very few limiting materials for how long a Galaxy (or any other ship) can operate without resupply. At the same time I think a smart Romulan commander in a stealth attack would have gone for the warp nacelles on their initial attack, cloaked, then repositioned for a new attack. Preventing their prey from escaping first, then moving to take the Enterprise apart. We see Klingons using this sort of tactic a LOT with Birds of Prey in DS9, and I'd be shocked if the stereotypically sneakier Romulans didn't use it a lot as well, and with larger ships. This tactic would heavily alter the scenarios, even when the Warbird begins the fight decloaked in front of Enterprise. Remember, in this situation the Warbird has already been able to use talking to gain the position they want most - zero relative motion at close range. Cloaking isn't the only way to sneakily close the distance after all. However, once the fight begins then the Warbird's only real tactical advantage is the cloak - if the enterprise can effectively counteract that, which we've seen them do a few different ways, the Romulans are in for a MUCH rougher fight. I think the head to head would likely have ended with both ships effectively disabled. The most likely outcome I think is that the Enterprise would have to eject it's always troublesome warp core before it could get to distance, but that the Romulan ship would be too damaged to capitalize on that - perhaps it's last strike that causes that damage being with the last of it's power. If the Warbird is using it's cloaking to allow it's more frontloaded weapons to be used to full advantage, it may yet be able to prevent the Enterprise from effectively disengaging to an advantageous distance- you only have the initial datum for the Warbird's position, and damage to the exposed warp nacelles would prevent full disengagement. This comes down to "Can Data, LaForge and Co rig a counter cloak detector before the Enterprise sustains critical damage". I think this would likely go to the Enterprise, but she'd definitely be hoping Federation backup arrived before more Romulans did. The Unexpected stealth attack I think is the one to go the least for the Enterprise. Initial strike, like you set up from a ventral profile but instead of the drilling into the main engineering hull, take out the warp nacelles in the first salvo, then cloak. Reposition for a dorsal attack, fire in to the engineering section centerline along the first third. Either they eject the warp core and are helpless or are likely to detonate. This I'd expect to go to the Romulans the majority of the time, heavily weighted against even taking significant damage. The expected stealth attack I think would be as likely to use some form of array of probes and shuttles as a tripwire with, again, it being a race of Countering the Cloak vs Hit and Fade. This all comes down to the question of whether the Enterprise can actually rig some form of tachyon net between probes and shuttles to provide enough warning to catch the Warbird as it comes in and be prepared when it decloaks to respond with an immediate full rapid fire attack. I think this ultimately either goes more to the Enterprise's favor, as they've been able to prepare means to locally track the Warbird, or ends similar to the head to head - both ships drifting, losing power while they hope their side arrives next. But, if the Warbird is able to counteract what ever means of cloak detection the Enterprise chooses, it could devolve into essentially the unexpected stealth attack.

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

Some splendid scenarios - that first one probably happens more often than we would like! 😲

[@reeceemms1643]

What about the D’Deridex vs the Enterprise-E? That scenario its between two warships. But then again we never see a Sovereign class Vs a dominion ship.

[@AldanFerrox]

The Enterprise E from Nemesis (which had received some serious upgrades after Insurrection) probably could take on more than a single Warbird, considering how much damage it did to the Scimitar which is vastly more powerful than a D'Deridex. And even the First Contact Enterprise E could probably defeat a D'Deridex without taking too much damage, considering it had better phasers and shields than a Galaxy and also quantum torpedoes.

[@coldbluelight1985]

This is pretty much how I thought it would go. The only thing I disagreed with is separating the saucer section in the 3rd scenario (other than in my alternate take on the scenario below). This would be the already overmatched Enterprise D giving up 2 of it's primary phaser arrays. You mention that the warbird could focus it's attack on blowing up the saucer but what if Tomalak instead decided to focus his attack on engineering as in the first scenario. If the engineering section has gained distance by this point this is actually a double edged sword. It means they're temporarily out of range of the deadliest Romulan weapons but it also means the Romulans could just re-engage their cloaking device and attack them from close range literally minutes later. If this happened they would essentially have to run into warp and I wouldn't call that a win. In Scenario 3 the Ent D could pull off a win if Data remote controlled the empty saucer section to ram the D'deridex after it decloaked.

[@jaredcolon4535]

Firing weapons from where the original designer intended them to shoot from books absolutely brilliant the one thing I'm just a little sad to see is that during saucer separation that the saucer section also doesn't fire phasers or fire a photon torpedo Volley from its Photon torpedo launcher that has

[@asafry2873]

Very nice analysis

[@5133937]

Great analysis, this and prior vid. I think it really comes down to the power sources, matter/antimatter vs quantum singularity. If the latter is significantly more powerful, as the Romulans believe, it could sustain the Warbird's shields for longer, and that would be a decisive advantage. On the other hand, if there are weird, unpredictable, uncontrollable quantum effects from it, that might make it unexpectedly vulnerable to the perceptive and resourceful Enterprise crew who might be able to exploit it. Would have made for a fun episode.

[@stevematthews2850]

I like your theory but as I recall , the singularity drive used on the Romulan ship is used to cloak the ship, so as the cloak drops they then would have to charge their weapons, so would be vulnerable and allow the federation ship a good chance of damaging it straight away . The Klingon ships had the same problem too .

[@Will-o-the-wisp-i4b]

This is a very nice watch! Some notes: The saucer section uses impulse fusion power. It would NOT be unpowered after using an antimatter spread and would still carry two very large phaser arrays (and it is strongly implied larger = stronger). Hero ships get the best VFX treatment so we should consider both ships as hero ships. As a relevant aside the Dominion war background footage is nearly useless for establishing rates of fire (very slow to save money). A prepared Enterprise with a Picard resigned to an all out fight will have a much bigger alpha strike than you show. Scenario 2 and 3 are likely worse for Tomalak than you assume. My 2cents anyway.

[@tommytwotacos8106]

I think what we see is the Federation's reliance on their officers ability to use the resources provided to take whatever scenario they're confronted with and make the best of it. In the first scenario here, there is no opportunity for that officer element to have any impact on the events transpiring before the outcome has been determined and the future is out of their hands. In the subsequent takes it becomes rather apparent that as long as the ship survives the opening gambit by the Romulan attacker, whose play is essentially dictated by the design of their ship and the doctrine of their fleet, the outcome of the battle falls under the purview of the Federation ship's officer corps. How well they are able to assess their own condition and then apply their strongest strength against the Romulan's weakest weakness, provided the actual capacity for victory is there, is what then determines the outcome of the engagement.

[@BadGamerPlays]

For the prepared stealth attack, I would have the saucer section keep between the drive section and the romulans. That way when the anti matter spread fires it would disrupt their targeting and sensors to not the notice the drive section to swing under the romulan ship and out of its main weapons range.

[@peterthx]

Well done video, one nitpick - the impulse engines of the saucer on the 1701-D are only on when the saucer is separated, not in flight or orbit modes.

[@theundeadbeholder284]

The Enterprise in the show have an epic, unsurmountable amount of plot armor, while its crew is basically brilliant, super skilled, experienced, and perfectly disciplined; the perfectly ideal crew.

[@darweasel184]

The problem with the third scenario is the Enterprise’s saucer separation would alert the Romulans that they had been discovered. This would have concerned the Romulans, who may reconsider the sensor capabilities of the Federation. This may have ensured the Romulan attack, being that they are the slower ship. Additionally, I do not believe that the saucer would have been destroyed as a sitting duck. Recall the events of Nemesis and the ship-to-ship collision-Picard used it once as an option and, in-scenario, the saucer was unmanned. Inertia could have carried it into an impact situation, and the saucer has no warp core to explode. The first scenario I find the least fault with. The Next Generation shields seemed to evaporate in rather large percentages throughout the series. The recharge rate was never adequately dramatized and the Enterprise would not have had the opportunity to roll through its various shield arcs prior to shield failure. For an enemy species with the most advanced espionage tactics in the lore of Star Trek, the Romulans could have guessed that the Federation would have left the warp core in the secondary hull since the Ambassador class. The Romulan’s awareness of the Constitution refit and the Excelsior classes warp core relocations throughout their dorsal sections would have been moot here due to the attack angle presented. Furthermore, the Enterprise D would still have auxiliary power and impulse to maneuver. It is at this time that the Romulans could be certain that the Enterprise did not have a secondary warp core. If the Romulans boarded the ship, the external attack would be limited to removal of the D’s offensive weapons. This leads to a Nemesis scenario. The face-to-face second encounter is a belly-up-to-the-bar scenario. This is to gauge the psychological state of the enemy and their willingness to fight as well as their tactical analysis in battle. Throughout the TNG series, I have a consistent complaint about Picard’s battle performance: he is often flat footed taking the first punch at a detriment to the ship’s shields before engaging. I understand his diplomatic stance not wanting to start a war, but still. Against a worthy opponent this is a disadvantage due to the complexity of damage incurred before the retaliatory strikes begin. Still the D has more firepower than what was used during this simulation, as others have pointed out. My memory counts 11 individual phaser strips not including the covered 12th “cobra head” phaser strip. I have to agree that the warbird would also employ more forward weapons ports than just the few ports on the “bird’s head” bow. The D had numerous tactics to counter and take advantage of the slower maneuvering Warbird. The D would move through its shield arcs and move to a more mid-range position, especially after surviving the initial assault. The Picard maneuver could have been instrumental once the Romulan shields had been softened to achieve a better position. Given a tactical analysis, the D could move into potential gaps in the Romulan’s weapons arcs and dissect the warbird. I point out the Star Trek Bridge Commander PC game here. My favorite tactic for fighting warbirds was to take their aft and destroy their limited rear facing weapons arcs. This left them vulnerable as a “plucked chicken”: aft weapons, warp, then impulse, and done! Warbird fricassee! I hold to the idea of limited rear facing weapons as an example of Romulan arrogance and overconfidence. Additionally, there is the option to transfer warp power to weapons, shields, and other subsystems during battle. Likewise to the original series episode’s battle between the 1701 (no bloody A, B, C, or D!) and that era’s warbird, the importance of the destruction of the enemy ship would have been of utmost importance, more so for the Federation. Do not show the Romulans the willingness to retreat, nor any other weakness they can exploit. Therefore winning this initial confrontation would be paramount as to whether or not a war begins or the Romulans regroup and reconsider their position. Of course, this relies upon the possibility that only one warbird was present at the battle. It would have been a great idea for the Romulans to have had a second, even a third, warbird cloaked and just out of short-range sensors. This would help the embattled warbird survive if the D was winning the battle. Furthermore, there would have been surviving witnesses to report back to the empire, regardless of whether they engaged or not. The fact that the Romulans revealed themselves at that time means that the Romulans were confident in the abilities of their warbirds. The additional ships could have towed a captured spoil of war back to Romulus and even a badly damaged warbird before the Federation could send reinforcements.

[@MiguelGrecco]

Few notes: the more agile battle section can quickly maneuver and fire another salvo of torpedoes from its forward launcher while the Romulans are still scrambling to figure out what the hell is happening. Meanwhile, the saucer section, once separated, reveals its own aft torpedo launcher. It could easily unleash its own spread of 10 torpedoes directly at the Warbird’s nose while making a tactical retreat. I find it hard to believe that a Warbird could survive a barrage of 30 well placed torpedoes. Also it's worth mentioning that the D'deridex class is extremely vulnerable while cloaking and decloaking. If the Enterprise is expecting an attack it up to the reaction time of the Tactical officer. Granted, for the Enterprise to win it will require to strategize. But one can reasonably assume Picard would be up to the challenge.

[@kmaximus99]

great video!!

[@JoeyJoejoe-sq9io]

While I agree with your overall assessment I would suggest one other advantage the Enterprise has. There's a lot more of them. The Romulans have a much smaller navy. So, the Romulans don't fear a galaxy class ship, they fear that once they destroy the Enterprise, there will be Galaxy and Nebula class squadrons flying around all over the place.

[@deadsetanime7102]

"Prepare for RAMMING SPEED!!!" yells Worf as Data skillfully flies the saucer section into the the Warbird after the antimatter burst. The Warbird, having the turning radius of an entire solar system cannot maneuver itself out of the path of the saucer section; a path that Data is constantly correcting as fast as his positronic brain can process. On collision the D'Deridex goes up in a magnificent explosion of Romulan green eggs and ham. The singularity, before destabilizing, swallows up much of the ship matter. Picard reprimands Data and Worf for their hidden plan then finds a quiet part of the star drive section of the ship to weep because he wasn't able to get the plaque off of the wall of the saucer section before it was destroyed. On debrief, Worf is shamed by his actions and denied the ritual of pain sticks as punishment. Data is deemed useless and sent to the Dastrum institute where Maddox can take him apart and see what makes him tick. Through tinkering, Maddox severely damages Data and quickly recreates him into the image of Dr Leah Brahms. Maddox spends the rest of his life rubbing up against the thigh of the new Leah Brahms android. That is my take on what would happen in this battle and what would come after.

[@sakunysz]

The saucer section has the bulk of the Phaser arrays and its own power plant. It would be blasting away on its own alongside the stardrive section, both separate parts being able to bring their maximum fire to bear.

[@fatwithmoney8953]

Great series. Hopefully more vs series is coming up

[@KarolusTemplareV]

Note for Photon torpedos, they are guided. I doubt they have many issues locking them on any bearing.

[@mikeb6902]

In the episode "Tin Man", the first Warbird fires 7 shots at the Enterprise, Worf says "70% loss to the shields", with that, 4 more shots and its game over for the Enterprise

[@josephkugel5099]

The first scenario is the only one that matters, thanks to the monumentally stupid treaty of Algeron the Federation signed they are pretty much dead if a REAL shooting war ever breaks out. that coupled with the lack of combat training for the Starfleet captains would lead to a very short war. Fed Ship: Capt Romulan Warbird decloaking off the starboard bow. Rom Ship: Fire all weapons. Fed Ship: Ensign raise shields. Rom Ship: Fire second volley. Fed Ship: Hail them. Rom Ship: fire third volley Fed Ship: Capt asks for Damage report, hydroponics bay has casualties, beam injured to sickbay. Rom Ship: fire fourth volley Fed Ship: blows up, all hands plus hydroponics bay lost.

[@ilejovcevski79]

A very interesting and nuanced approach, i mostly entirely agree with with some caveats of course. But first, few notes on the differences in our scenario. You've used the original design layout as intended by the D'Deridex' creator, which is something i considered, but abandoned in the end, favoring the onscreen layout, which makes the Warbird more vulnerable. I only kept the rear launching capability for the torpedoes, that seems absent in the Show variants. Second, i never used plasma torpedoes, as i was hard pressed to confirm their tactical use in the episodes. So i gave the Romulans photon torpedoes, but with a yield of roughly 5:3 in relation to the Federation ones. Finally, i used a moded version of Bridge Commander, with my own scripts for ship hardpoints, weapon damage and system interaction. While this gave me the capability to modify both ships to my liking in quite a detailed manner, i was still limited by the capabilities of the API and the game engine. So my simulation is FAR from perfect. Heck.... even far from where i would be adequately satisfied. All that being said, my caveats: 1. In the first scenario, my own simulations show the impulse engines being also a valid target, as immobilizing the ships tactically prevents her to maneuver aggressively immediately after the first strike. RCS may not be enough for short durations of time. Also, we can't always confirm that the first strike will actually compromise the shields so that enough damage can be done do disable the Galaxy, either by hitting the engineering or the impulse engines. What i find most fascinating is that we have chosen EXACT same vector for our initial strike! 1-a. Possible variation, Ro in her last episode mentions the Enterprise's shields are weakest or at least easiest to penetrate just behind the main impulse engine ( this may have been a ruse though), but while this increases our chances to getting damage spill over to the targeted systems, puts us right in the sights of their torpedo tubes, which is something we wish to avoid, especially while decloaking. 2. The second scenario is where it's all at. My simulations showed that in a head on brawl, within the limits of the game engine, the Warbird won in about 3 out of 5, or 6 out of 10 cases. However, micro warp jumps aren't possible in this game, and ship top speed doesn't allow for efficient hit and run tactics, something that the Enterprise should be better at, given her maneuverability advantage. Even though, this may lead some people to conclude that the Warbird is decisively better in prolonged encounters, i should also note, that most of the wins, on both sides, were rather close. So close in fact, that a lucky hit or two, could have easily swayed the outcome. I'll post the link to 4 examples of my scenario below for those interested in the approach, though i didn't record any of my stealth approaches. 3. I never got to rest the saucer separation scenario, as i had a hard time to evaluate the saucer section capability to defend itself when separated from the star drive. Some info came my way, but not enough for me to even remotely model its capabilities for combat. Especially sustained engagements. Finally, very good analysis. I can't really fault you with anything. Given the small about of info we are given, there's just so much we can actually confirm or deny with any level of certainty. Still, it would seem, our predictions aren't that far away. Good video! My simulations WIP follow open to suggestions: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZvSqZKZe9ekhKM&ab_channel=ilejovcevski79

[@andrewkingham]

Alot of Scenario 1 would assume that Romulan plasma ordinance is still as effective against Federation alloys and shields as it was in Kirk's time, I like to think that after those encounters the weapon would be reduced to the effectiveness of say a photon torpedo. She has a lot of forward weapon hardpoints, but that could also be seen as a tacit admission that individual Romulan disruptors lack the penetrative power of their Federation counterparts.

[@dejavupr123456789]

the ENterprice D In battleship configuration and the warp core used in DS9 increased total power output by 400% from the initial warp core. Many of the science, luxury and cargo bays were repurposed to carry more capacitors and other combat augmentation equipment.

[@tomcatm16]

Happy late Thanksgiving. What we have here is a nice treat of a video. Great info. Very faithful to the shows these ships appear in. As for my predictions. I am giving The Galaxy class a war capacity a D- or 3 of 5. It upgrades to a 4 of 5 for the Dominion war and 5 of 5 for Tng All good Things future version Galaxy. The Romulans Warbird is a solid 4 of 5 even later in Ds9. Scenario one. The Enterprise is cooked and served up as Mashed Potatoes. If the Romulans had 2 Turkey ships here. They win easily. It is a surprise her predecessor the Enterprise-C survived 4! Now, two can just barely manage the same. Big difference in purpose and weapons effectiveness. Scenario 2. The 1v1. Close enough. The allies to Starfleet are more numbered than the Romulans. Scenario 3. Stacking the deck to ones favor. If this was Captain Jallico. He would have used space mines in a trap someway hiding them like he did in the nebula in tngs chain of command episode. Also, the Enterprise saucer is not defenseless. The Borg had to have damaged it in Best of Both Worlds. I disagree that it is not combat effective at least in terms of defense. So my version was just that the Enterprise moves to a higher orbit used the saucer as bait to draw the Romulans into the waiting minefield them boom. Balance of Terror over again. I doubt the Romulans can take much of these losses.

[@Zeithri]

I like this, I think my only two cents is that it, like Star Trek in general, tends to forget inertia. Just swing the ship around while traveling in one direction and spew photon torpedoes out. In Star Trek TNG Future's Past / Echoes of the Past on Snes / Mega Drive, you can do that ( _I got a shorts of it_ ) But that's a pretty typical Trek thing, ships in space and all that :D I digged this. Never expected the antimatter spread to be this effective.

[@killerdoritoWA]

After the first Borg invasion, I would expect the Enterprise would have a “Beast Mode” to give the Romulans a bad time.

[@jpenir]

I agree with you. The Warbird most likely wins all scenarios. Especially since Picard would NEVER fire first on the Warbird. So an initial volley from the Warbird would probably be devastating. I would like to see the Enterprise E vs a Warbird though

[@nobleloria5270]

The Enterprise also has the problem of the warp core getting nocked out when ever anyone throws a tennis ball at them

[@comicbossone2411]

Putting this in the file marked “if my Aunt had balls she’d be my Uncle category”.

[@allistair61]

I would agree that most Starfleet vessels are not dedicated warships, they are multipurpose ships that can fight

[@JimPlaysGames]

Great scenarios! Really cool to see. Here's what I'm wondering: if we assume that the plasma torpedoes are short range and slow, and the Enterprise was expecting an attack, couldn't they have their finger on the button and ready to engage warp the moment the warbird appears? If the Enteprise has an advantage at range and is faster, surely going to warp immediately would be the best option. How quickly they can engage the warp drive is the most important factor there I guess.

[@royroblox]

Great 2-parter Resurrected, love seeing the D'Deridex get the respect it deserves. Something I've always wondered on the side view of the ship -- on some models/blueprints, the tail is on the same plane (in line) with the nacelles, and on others the tail dips lower than the nacelles. Do you know any more on which is the original or have a preference?

[@edapplederry5888]

If they saucer separate I expect a few volleys of torpedoes from the saucer. I also doubt that the saucer would be out of power after little stunt. While it has only fusion reactors, it must be able to sustain its crew for a while, probably indefinitely. Overall an expected outcome, though. One thing I'd do as a Romulan commander is to re-cloak during battle. In particular when the Enterprise can create distance to me. Re-cloak, re-charge and re-engage at a more opportune distance. Which is why my alpha strike would aim to cripple the warp drive. That way I control the engagements.

[@joshchappell5394]

Very well done. Love it.