Enterprise-D vs. The Borg (but the Enterprise enters the Cube realistically)

[@malachor1991]

That was totally lame

[@cha02psc]

That was the idea

[@mastere6115]

The thing is, it isn't really unrealistic, we just severely misunderstand the scale of what is happening. The Borg vessel is not 3km in size like a normal cube, this is the size of a small moon or continent, it is absurdly big. And those spaces/tunnels throuout the ship are miles wide, we can see that due to how much bigger they are than the Enterprise when it flies through them. So although it looks like it is flying like the Millennium falcon, it is not, it is still moving with the inertia of a big ship, it just has an absurd amount of wiggle room to pull it off. That coupled with the fact that Data is pushing the maneuvering thrusters to their limits as shown by the crew being thrown about in the cabin (which if they where being used at normal levels would not happen due to the internal dampeners), so it is quite believable what it pulls off, it is just how fast the scene and how we have never seen the ship actually pull any maneuvers anything like that before, since we have never seen a ship like it ever in a scenario where any sort of maneuvering like that was needed, or where they have had thr budget to do it before.

[@cha02psc]

Hmm ok that’s interesting I’d not considered it from that angle. The Borg megacube is much larger than anything we’ve seen previously (expect for the unicomplex in Voyager). If I’m honest - with the exception of the evasive manoeuvres shot and the Blazin Bev strafing run - I was hoping for shots of the D similar to those seen in TNG… but it’s 2023 not 1994 😂

[@travispettit9762]

Agreed. Any vessel capable of routinely generating 12.75 billion gigawatts of energy, with the ability to reach the terrawatt range, could easily power these maneuvers. Add to that, the impulse engines operate using a low-level subspace field, which distorts normal space.

[@Levi_Skardsen]

It's also quite significant that Data is piloting. He's able to calculate at 60 petaflops per second. Before this, we've only really seen what it's like when humans are at the conn.

[@thatnerdyperson7246]

Technically, a Galaxy Class starship can fly like that (the episode Relics has shown that). The reason why we normally see the Galaxy Class move slowly is because of the crew and families aboard the ship as well as the inertial damping. And since the only people on the Enterprise D were the senior staff on the bridge (and Data piloting the big E), this is perfectly alright for them to do a Death Star trench run. My only problem is, how the hell can the Enterprise-D fit through that Borg Cube?

[@cha02psc]

on reflection I've come to agree with this point - there were only 4 people on board the Enterprise when she entered the cube, so all power could be transferred to the inertial dampers to allow the ship to manoeuvre like that. I just would have preferred a line of dialogue saying that...! As for Relics - that manoeuvre really was just a roll on the longitudinal axis - she wasn't whipping about changing direction left right and centre as she was here... but I can live with it... The Borg cube looked like some kind of MegaCube when it exploded. My guess is that it's the remnants of the Borg unicomplex that was destroyed in Endgame and the collective severed the connection to that Queen and all the Borg stationed there because they were infected with the pathogen. The rest of the collective is safe and sound in the Delta Quadrant (they assimilated the pathogen, remember), but that one dying queen and her drones had to be sacrificed to save the Hive. Jack Crusher proclaiming the age of the Borg to be over was somewhat naïve, I think

[@Rayman1971]

Don't Do What Data Don't Does! Data, Don't!!!!!!

[@lawrencehayworth2463]

Who was on the tactical systems when the ship was taken out by a 100 year old bird of prey in generations I always knew the 1701-D could fight like that 😊

[@helenofirvine]

Sadly, I hoped for something more realistic, but this is just a bunch of clips from various episodes

[@raven4k998]

well yeah you didn't think they could actually take from one single episode did you that would be way way to difficult🤣

[@helenofirvine]

@@raven4k998 I've seen some amazing CGI work by very gifted artists here on KZbin.

[@raven4k998]

@@helenofirvine this is not CGI work it's cut and paste clips nothing more silly🤣

[@helenofirvine]

@@raven4k998 That's exactly what I said. Read for clarity.

[@dave4803]

To me it seemed too unrealistic that when they had their pick of ships at the museum and they picked one of the more outdated and bulky ones that got trashed by a single bird of pray and was patched together not even finished. They had Voyager at the museum, smaller, faster, newer, better weapons and had beaten the borg many times. They had the Defiant, a ship that was built to take on the borg, again better armed than the D and newer. That was just lazy writing and spoiled the end of the season.

[@cha02psc]

True - those other ships were designed in the wake of Wolf 359 so would have been tactically better against the Borg. But the 1701-D crew were old and needed something familiar that they knew how to work. I doubt they’d have been able to figure out how to get the Defiant to do the same kind of manoeuvres as we saw in “First Contact” or many episodes of DS9. And I doubt the old gang would have enjoyed ramming speed 😂 Well, except Worf…! I must admit that I felt they’d ruined the ending when I first watched episode 10. The last 5 minutes of “Vox” were amazing. “The last generation” kinda dropped the ball. They shoulda had Seven and the Titan do some clever Borg thing to make it easier on the Enterprise-D crew without all the zipping about 😂

[@dave4803]

@@cha02psc The controls were the same as the Enterprise E so they could've used the other ships just as easy, they took the D to make a point and it was a bad plot. To me they picked the most useless ship there, one that was never designed to fight and it's bulk made it a liability the last time it was in service. Also it only just held together the last it faced the borg 30 years earlier and had a full crew. Now outdated, patched together and with only a few people on the ship when it was designed to hold over a 1000. The smartest choice would've been the Defiant, Worf knew the ship and what it could do. It was designed to fight and the cloak would've helped. Voyager was another good choice, faster, easier to throw around and had taken on the borg more than any other ship. It would've also been the newest ship there and the most advanced.

[@theborgqueen6891]

​@@dave4803 the rest of the museum ships are presumably powered down or have its warp core removes. This explains several things 1- it's like if the US Navy put an active nuclear reactor in a museum ship, a bit unrealistic and dangerous 2- Geordie saying that the D is "the last functional ship not tied into the system". This means that the rest of the museum ships are disabled 3- the reason the D is functional is because Geordie is restoring it as a functional ship in essentially his Garage so of course he wouldn't just make an empty shell of the D

[@dave4803]

@@theborgqueen6891 Still they seem to be powered up, I can see it from your point of view.

[@ivanhoe23be]

I agree that it was unrealistic. However for me this scene was not about the Enterprise D, but about Data, and he was just awesome.

[@cha02psc]

Oh I agree about Data! Seeing him come back was brilliant. And over multiple rewatches I've made my peace with the manoeuvres the Enterprise pulls off in the original episode - to quote Sisko, "I can live with it" haha! Plus I guess the ship was empty and they could divert more power to the engines, thrusters, structural integrity field, inertial dampers, etc. so I'll allow it (nerds gonna nitpick lol!)