Enterprise Refit VS Enterprise A NCC 1701 - Both Ways Star Trek Starship Battles

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Today we compare the Enterprise Refit to the Enterprise A.
Cosmetically speaking there are differences, but are there any differences with Weapons/Shields and Propulsion?
Let’s find out!
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[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

So the deal with the E-A is that there seems to be no authoritative answer on whether it was just another Connie Refit rechristened after the events of the Whale Probe, or if it was a new build Connie 2. However, in either case, the E-A is much more advanced because it is 12 years newer than the Connie Refit completed in TMP; for example it has a far more powerful warp core. In Star Trek V the dialogue strongly suggests that the ship is a new build. There is the theory that Yorktown was one of the last Connies to be refit, hence the dialogue with Scotty in that the ship was so new it hadn't done a proper shakedown. However, this suggests then, that the Yorktown was launched before it was ready by Starfleet to intercept the Whale Probe and it completely failed. In Star Trek IV we actually see the Yorktown, it is played on screen and its captain is played by Indian tennis legend Vijay Amritraj. So, in either case, new build or super late refit, the E-A is considerably more advanced than the original Connie Refit because it is 12 years newer! From the time that Enterprise is launched in TMP (Stardate 7410.2, or 2273) to Star Trek II (Stardate 8130.3 or 2285) is 12 years. Lots of advances in that time, and it spells out that the Connie Refit was meant to last some time and would justify a new build Connie 2 as well because the USS Excelsior was still not in production as a class.

[@chadwickst.clair-smythe4217]

I didn't realize that there was a 12-13 year difference between Star Trek TMP and Star Treks 2-5. Does that mean Kirk took the Enterprise for another 5-Year Mission after TMP?

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

Thanks for the extra info. Really helps plug some gaps in my own knowledge 🖖

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

@@chadwickst.clair-smythe4217 I think so, the last dialogue seems to imply Kirk took a sabbatical from the admiralty and took the Enterprise on an extended mission. Also, it now makes sense when Admiral Morrow says the Enterprise is over 20 years old.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

@@RetroBadgerGaming Most welcome!

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

@@chadwickst.clair-smythe4217 Actually the 1701 was exactly 40 years old when destroyed.

[@thecommodoredecker]

According to the book "mr scotts guide to the enterprise" i believe its called, the Enterprise A was actually first christened as the U.S.S. TI HO she wasnt a refit connie like the Enterprise or the Yorktown she was built keel up as the updated constitution class. She had been scheduled to have shakedown cruises bit due to the events in ST4 that never happened and as a gift to the Enterprise crew the TI HO was renamed Enterprise and the Enterprise crew assigned to it. Thats why in ST5 Scotty rambles about her build quality and all that. Because she wasnt exactly completed when they took over. I also heard the Yorktown version as well and had accepted that as canon for most of my life until i read that book. Its definitely a good read

[@earlrichardson385]

I remember Scotty saying something about the monkeys that put that ship together.

[@MichaelJShaffer]

I have the same book. It has spread a lot of wrong information over the decades. Most of the information is not canon and is considered apocrypha.

[@stever3832]

Great battle! The A took many torpedoes in the Undiscovered Country, it makes sense the shield output is better in the 2290s ship than the 2270s refit. Do more videos with the A!

[@BrickStopmotions]

3:58 The Ent. A turning toward you just looks so cool here! Reminds me a bit of the scene from Picard S3 where the ship "looks up" after the shuttle hits the nacelle. 4:08 This new AI has quite an obsession with ramming, doesn't it? 5:07 "Engaging saucer separation!"

[@Dr.Westside]

I like to believe the Enterprise-A was the last of the production run of the Constitution class and it had some early Excelsior class tech , like shields phasers torpedoes and a next gen warp core .

[@k1productions87]

Yeah, they probably had so many Connie parts left over while developing Excelsior that they just built up the rest that they could... and not doing the greatest job doing so, hence all the problems the Enterprise-A had early on.

[@Kiyosuki]

This makes way more sense to me than the Yorktown theory. In my mind it was probably a spare Connie refit chassis that was used to test run experimental technology, maybe to take the burden off of the excelsior by using a more familiar design, and they hastily rechristened it Enterprise because why not at that point. It explains the initial problems, and it just makes so much more sense to me. Plus there’s something kinda neat about the first (refit) and the last of this refit class both being Enterprises.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

I like Venom Geek. He puts a lot of thought in his videos. His collaboration with Drachnifel is a must watch for those who are fans of naval design between 1860-1945. Venom does good work though we disagree on a couple things, like the Keldon Class as a carrier or heavy cruiser (it is actually both as there are variants).

[@toryunaminosaki1022]

tbf, the neck region was a critical weakness on the connie design, it was addressed in the later Excelsior class vessels it got worse with the refit design, since the old connie had a horizontal reactor design, the refit switched to a vertical chamber, it was more efficient and had much greater output, but i'd imagine they had to weaken the structure even more to make room to fit in through the neck down to the bottom of the secondary hull

[@Nadromeda]

According to the Enterprise illustrated handbook, the Enterprise A had two aft launchers and also had better shielding.

[@johnstephens1447]

In Star Trek 5, didn’t Scotty say it was a new ship ? It also had a completely different warp core and shuttle bay. If it was new, it would have been 10 to 15 years more advanced. We know they had Constitution class ships around, so the design was still around 80 years later in some form or another.

[@erichidalgo8153]

Yes however after such an extensive retrofit the ship would essentially be new. Same was said of the Enterprise refit in The Motion Picture.

[@k1productions87]

Some of the advancements may have been from building the Excelsior. They likely had a lot of Connie parts still around, and rather than just scrapping them all, they use some of the new things they learned in developing Excelsior and built Connies around the new tech. That would also explain why some of that tech wasn't exactly working too well, as it probably wasn't all compatible. I bet the Enterprise-A was already being built under a different name when the Enterprise returned home in Search for Spock. That's probably the reason they decided to retire the Enterprise in the first place, as it was so damaged it would have been easier to just give the name to a new ship. Admiral Moreau may have even been planning its reveal as a surprise for Admiral Kirk... only to have Kirk do Kirk things and go off on an emotional rule-breaking starship theft. That may be why he himself retired, pulling an "I'm too old for this" and handing the job off to Admiral Cartwright who we see in the next film.

[@MisterMarin]

It makes sense that Enterprise A is stronger than Enterprise Refit. If you're rechristening the ship, might as well take the opportunity to give it the latest updates you have available before sending it once more unto the undiscovered country, dear friend. 😉

[@aaronatwood9298]

Enterprise A had an aft torpedo launcher and more powerful shields. Look at the beating it took during ST6. 1701 refit got an aft launcher before WOK. 1701A at its decommission was armed with the same weapons as Excelsior at the same time. The Excelsior was more sturdy, bigger, a little faster, with better shields.

[@nikolascagefreeeggs307]

I love your channel Badger! But I gotta let you know the venom channel you recommend is only a authority at making stuff up.

[@marcmosteirin7575]

Of course @venomgeekmedia9886 is making stuff up. And it's lots of fun. The writers on DS9 were also just "making stuff up". I think Venom's authority comes from the sheer quality of his content, his absolute passion for golden-era trek, and his incredible attention to detail.

[@oopsydaisy4637]

Wow that was unexpected. But some beautiful footage of these ships

[@James-rn7dx]

Gene Roddenberry said the Enterprise-A was the Yorktown, it was even in the TNG season 4 writers bible. My personal head cannon is that it had just completed its refit to the newer version of the Constitution class which would explain why it had far more modern equipment and a different floor plan compared to the 1701. This also explains why they decommissioned it after only 8 years of survive if it had served as Yorktown for decades.

[@elkapitan_warcriminalcoyote]

One thing from Venom geek media that stuck with me is during his collab with Drachinifel and the whole "wandering Galaxies"

[@pyronuke4768]

Good video, but I gotta talk about VenomGeek. He does a good job explaining his logic, the problem is his logic feels like he pulled it from the seat of his pants. He gives his headcanon precedence over regular canon, he cites himself as a source, and he's got this strange notion that most ships can't be multirole. A lot of times he'll create a niche in his headcanon and then try to mold a ship to fit said niche. The guy is king of "I reject your reality and chose to replace it with my own."

[@stevelapierre4776]

Well done Captain.. I could see some deference's , I like the Ent A a bit more.. hard to say, from the books and what we see actually in the movies .. so hard to say but the A is more advance and also, again, the Refit had the bay doors open again. hmmm🤔 whom is playing with the buttons lol. love the video Captain..!!😊🖖

[@Jarsia]

I'd assume the 1701-A was better, though perhaps not in TFF given all the bugs they still had to work out, no doubt due to being rushed into service out of refit. Of course if it is the Yorktown and they rechristened it mid refit, that means it started the refit process much later than the original Enterprise, so no doubt some technological improvements were implemented that weren't available for the original. As to whether any Constitution class ships were built from scratch to the refit standard, I suppose it's possible. The refit was basically a new design, but personally I don't think there were new refit Connies built, at least not many. The way I see it, the Miranda was always the more economical explorer. A lot of interchangeable parts with the constitution, basically the same saucer and nacelles, arguably better tactical capabilities with the aft torpedoes, and probably for every 7 constitutions they could build, they could have 10 mirandas instead. Now, the constitution was still bigger, had a larger crew, no doubt had a larger warp core and therefore more power, and with amenities like the arboretum it's better equipped for those long 5 year missions whereas the miranda is better suited to shorter assignments, but for 95% of missions either ship will do. Now you still would want a ship with added capabilities for those other 5% of missions where a light cruiser just doesn't cut it, but by the time the 1701-A entered service, that role was being filled by the superior Excelsior class.

[@steveperuski5547]

Love the Constitution Class, she’s a timeless beauty for sure, great replay Retro

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

Thanks! Totally agree about the Connie refit. It never seems to age! 🖖

[@Kiyosuki]

Whatever one of wants to believe about the A’s origin (I like to think it was a “new” ship in the sense it was like a spare Connie used to test new technology hastily pushed into service) it still represents the “end” of a 20 year line while the original refit was literally both the prototype in a sense and first of the constitution mk-2 so it makes perfect sense that 20 years of refined tech would make that much of a difference since the A is both a newer chassis and equipped with as of its time cutting edge advancements bleeding into its replacement class’ time.

[@Mirage_Mach5]

Nice matchup. I'm not sure if you've done so yet, but it would be cool to see the Enterprise A up against the Connie Refit Refit.

[@JustinStrife]

That would be a short battle.

[@TrentonBennett]

I agree that the Enterprise-A is a more power house than the original Refit Enterprise. I said, "Holy cow!" when I saw the Refit Enterprise get destroyed like it did. I didn't expect it to be taken out so fast.

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

It was a big surprise! 🖖

[@NyloElLobo]

Yes, VenomGeek runs an awewome channel ^^

[@1stprinceoflite]

I prefer the idea of Kirk getting a new ship of the refit design. After what Kirk and crew went through to get Spock back.

[@JustinStrife]

And saving Earth.

[@kwaktak]

OT: Frankly, I was disappointed that they didn’t come out with a more hybrid Excelsior/Constitution refit design for the Enterprise A with a broader dorsal and Miranda style “rollbar” warp nacelle pylons with the heavier duty phaser cannons at the “elbows” and lower mounted nacelles. Instead, ILM just repainted the same filming model and eventually sold it to Jeff Bezos.

[@BrianGriffinQuahog]

Increase power to your sensor array. I've noticed you neglect it but it's key to torpedo accuracy as it locks on quicker and longer.

[@spacemanspiff3052]

It was my understanding that the Enterprise A was a refit of the refitted version of the Yorktown. So, due to upgrades the refit Enterprise didn’t get prior to its destruction over Genesis, it makes sense that the Enterprise A could overpower the Enterprise refit. if I remember my Star Trek III, Starfleet was just going to retire the Enterprise after the pounding it took from Khan’s highjacked Reliant (Though it seemed a janky automated refit Enterprise was still more than a match for a scout class Klingon Bird of Prey, imagine the pasting Commander Krug would get if it was a fully crewed and operational Enterprise). So I can imagine the Enterprise A was even stronger, even if it was the last hurrah of the Constitution Class Heavy Star Cruiser. This was the first I learned that the crew of the Yorktown died due to general electrical failure caused by Whale Space Probe. Kind of dark scenario put forward as explanation. I don’t know, in Star Trek IV the Captain of the Yorktown mentioned sedating the crew to use up less oxygen and jury rigging a solar array to help power life support, so I’d like to think that Starfleet ingenuity saved the ship and crew while the probe was still actively being disruptive.

[@Wizardof]

Is that a video game? Where can I get it? I thought the Enterprise A was a built from scratch Constitution Refit.

[@terencesmith9404]

Enterprise A was a new build from the Refit. Hence why Scotty was having so many issues with it in Star Trek 5. Also, the A was even longer than the Refit. Just like the Excelsior class, it was upgraded, and upgraded again 😎

[@haroldchase4120]

You can look at main Engineering on the A and see she has a much more powerful worpcore than the refit . I’m certain If the old ship received the refit Scotty wanted to give her after the wrath of knah . She would have been equal to any ship of her time . Sadly turd fleet wanted her out of the way

[@robbieatnsudotcom]

I loved watching this video. I thought it would be an even match, but the E-A did short work of the refit. Watching this one, I have a request: could you do the Excelsior vs the Enterprise B?

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

Thanks! Totally. That's a great idea 🖖

[@loklokoppa9255]

Always fun watching these battle. I was wondering about the warp core. Does it make a difference in your battles whether it is horizontal like the Enterprise VS other Enterprises or Federation ships? I know they switched to vertical sometime ago.

[@Wolfe351]

I have said this on a couple different pages discussing the origins of the 1701A according to the superb ship recognition book Ships of the Starfleet Vol1 2290-91 (103rd year of issue!!) printed in 1991. The 1701-A was inserted into the production run of the Enterprise (II) class Heavy cruiser (which was to be originally the Levant class after the first ship of the new updated class) the class also included the surviving members of the Enterprise (I) class Farragut NCC1702, Lexington NCC1703, Excalibur NCC1705, Exeter NCC1706, El Dorado NCC1722, and Krieger NCC1726 which got refits as they returned from missions. Interestingly the TMP refit of 1701 was supposed to be USS Lexington NCC1703 except she was delayed in completing her mission and Capt Kirk returned from the five year mission with 1701 first....and 1701 became the lead ship of the new class. At the front of the book is a Fleet readiness table which lists for 2290: 93 Heavy cruisers, 35 Strike cruisers, 23 Heavy frigates (Avenger/Miranda class) 75 FR (standard frigates) 29 FF Fast frigates, 5 DH heavy destroyers 89 DD standard destroyers, plus assorted scouts, science vessels and 2 Excelsior class.. Its a great book and fun to read through it has some nice little tidbits describing ship missions (both successes and losses) with brilliant line drawings, ship spec's and a nice fold out drawings of the Belknap class Strike cruiser in the back.

[@MSR-1701]

Nice Showcase!😅 In one of the earliest drafts of Star Trek II, the ship Kahn acquired was another Constitution Refit, though for assorted reasons this was changed to the Miranda Class (including both audience confusion of the same ship and story reasons). Nice showcase of the SFRD Connie Refits, would you be able to do the same with WileyCoyote's Ent Refit and Ent-A?😅

[@MrShadow-qz9xj]

Would make sense if A (regardless of the name she started with) was built from the ground up as an updated connie, that she would be stronger. As there would have been limits on what they could do with the original Enterprise as she was one of the orignal connies having served for 30 years (with one suspect refit before Kirk took command) before this overhaul. I would imagine at least some of the systems would have had to remain orignal or at least have a reduced ablility to be updated. if not it could also be that the A went through additional updates prior to her launch as the A. Would also explain what scotty said about her being so new she hadn't even done a proper shake down.

[@jyralnadreth4442]

The Enterprise Refit was equipped with a Swirl Type Warp Reactor like USS Voyagers, whilst the later Enterprise A had a more traditional Warp core like the Enterprise D's

[@user-vz7tn9qv8i]

The Yorktown was a Miranda Class in Star Trek 4.

[@mikefuston4494]

that was the Saratoga

[@Mirage_Mach5]

Great video! Would you consider doing a video with the Connie Refit Refit and the Phase II Enterprise?

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

Thanks! That's a great idea, i'll add it to the list! 🖖

[@chrismills2439]

The USS Yorktown would have had the last refits over OG Enterprise refit who might have had them or some of them installed if she didnt return to space dock looking like swiss cheese back in wrath of khan or search for spock. Excelsior Class plans were well underway waiting for the pending transwarp engine trials which iirc canon said it failed after it was fixed from mr. scott's tinkering with the constructor set that was the USS Excelsior NX-2000. also let's face it, Enterprise was 40+ years old and I doubt her aging frame would have been able to hold many new toys brought in via the excelsior class and mind you the miranda class was also brought in with Constitution Class surplus parts lying around

[@jodyhoward2421]

Boom I thing so , try refit vs Yamato

[@olympicnut]

It's obvious the A was an already-built Constitution II Class starship that was rechristened, but I doubt it was the Yorktown. Close-ups of the displays on the A Bridge seem to indicate she was brand new with transwarp drive and Scotty's remark ".........they don't make them like they used to" backs that up. Then again, why would she be retired after only 7 years of service if she had been relatively new?

[@stever3832]

The A should put up a decent fight against the prototype Exclesior, NX2000, from ST III. The A is slightly newer.

[@k1productions87]

It makes no sense for the Enterprise-A to be the Yorktown. Firstly, Voyage Home is not the kind of movie to just have entire crews die like that. Secondly, in the following film, they openly describe the Enterprise-A as a "new ship". The only reason anyone stated Yorktown was the original name was to be a callback to the fact the original proposal for Star Trek had the ship named Yorktown, before it was renamed Enterprise. The more likely scenario is, another Connie was being built with technological advances learned from the development of the Excelsior, while lots of Connie parts were already in circulation and weren't going to just get thrown out. Some of those advances may have been incompatible, hence the Enterprise-A having all sorts of problems in Star Trek V. As for when the ship was being built, it was likely started around the same time as the Excelsior, under a different name. The decision to rename it Enterprise may have been the whole reason they were planning on retiring the previous heavily damaged Enterprise rather than fixing it... which likely would have required pulling it apart completely and replacing virtually everything inside. Might as well just build a new one at that point anyway. I could see Admiral Moreau planning on making the Enterprise-A a surprise for Kirk, but before getting the chance to do that, Kirk took the old one and went off on an emotional career-destroying starship theft, sabotaging the Excelsior in the process. Hell, that may have been why he retired. He was ready to make this touching presentation only for Kirk to do more Kirk things, and he just tugs his Starfleet badge off, saying "enough of this BS, I'm out" LOL I mean, by the next film, which was only three months later chronologically, the Commander of Starfleet was now Admiral Cartwright. Heh, Bones tells Kirk he could drive a man to drink. He could drive an Admiral into retirement.

[@Watcher1134]

Admiral Horton has a cool design for a SNW Connie Refit design

[@hardline2a]

I would think that any Connie refits would be updated along with the Ent A. Maybe the Refit used here was before the Ent A and hadn’t been updated yet

[@boycie2048]

In some sources , there's talk of a rear torpedo tube

[@cosmeticscameo8277]

the A should win as if we us the last time they were featured the A was refitted to 2293 specs while the 1701 actually was only updated to 2276 or 2278 (depends on whether kirks 2nd 5 year mission starts in 2271 or 2273) specs. now you would ask why TWOK took place in 2285. true the thing here is after kirks second 5 year mission the 1701 got transferred over to be an academy ship so no further refits would be given to it as students would only be practicing on older equipment.

[@RetroBadgerGaming]

Thanks for the info 🖖

[@Cenan80]

Being the first ship to receive the refit technology, the original Enterprise was also probably doomed to early obsolescence once all the bugs were worked out. Plus there's probably a limit to how much an old design can be refit before it's better to just simply build a completely new ship.

[@monsieurpickles8128]

what is this version of bc remastered ?

[@claudedavid1729]

Given all the messed-up systems on the thing, I've always favored the idea that it was a ship used for training engineers. They put her into service when they needed to give Kirk a new ship as a show of force against the Klingons following the Genesis scandal. So, technically a new ship, but the kids have been in there tampering with everything and causing a mess for years. There isn't anything in canon to support the idea that it's the Yorktown.

[@scottb7539]

It not far fetched to me. When 8 was play Star Trek their were 3 Enterprise s. I'd like to think this is Kirk 1701A Vs Spock 1701. And yes the A had better shields. The model actually has more physical markings. And the A is supposed to have Transwarp Drive. It also had mark VII torpedos vs 1701s Mark VI

[@kwaktak]

Technically, the A is the refit refit. In non canon lore the A was either an all new starship built from the keel up and was the USS Ti-Ho (NCC-1798 IIRC) or was another one of the original Constitutions that was also refit, the USS Yorktown (NCC-1704) - unless you go by beta canon in which it was NCC-1717 but also the one referenced in ST IV. There’s nothing I could find as to whether either of Yorktown registries indicated anything other than it was similar in age to the original Constitution class Enterprise, which would explain why the Enterprise A was decommissioned only 7 years after it was renamed at the end of ST IV. Clearly, based on the set changes from ST IV to ST VI there is an implication that it was a refit refit- particularly since they used the same engine room set in ST VI as the Enterprise D in TNG.

[@haroldchase4120]

Picard son talks about the Enterprise A he states she was state of the art at the time of her retirement. Star fleet pulled her to make her a museum ship.

[@kwaktak]

@@haroldchase4120 She was trashed in ST VI and went on to be immediately decommissioned.

[@rc4688]

I just watched "Too late the hero" but all the comments are about Star Trek. What's going on? This isn't the first time something like this has happened.

[@Cyber_Horse_Studios87]

It makes sense. While they really are difficult to tell apart, it does make sense the Enterprise A would have a bit more might to it that the refit. The refit was (tragically) built from a cannibalized original Connie, while the Enterprise A was a freshly built ship with a different name. Though the Enterprise A did have a number of issues prior to this as we saw. Thankfully those did get ironed out. Also I love how at the end the Enterprise A just started careening towards a sun. XD

[@chriselliottart]

You might also enjoy the channel We Travel by Night. He does a lot of interesting analysis on the minutia of the ST ships.

[@michaeldemarco9950]

No, no . . . In-universe, there’s absolutely no reason they would take a starship away from a Captain that just saved his crew from death, with the solar sail. My guess is that, at this point in the timeline (2286), the Enterprise NCC-1701 is the last Constitution-class ship still in service, albeit as the Academy Trainer. The USS Yorktown Refit, like the other five or six refits, had been decommissioned to the Qualor Two surplus yards. The Yorktown we see (but don’t really see) in Star Trek IV is its replacement, perhaps of the Miranda Class. With the destruction of the Reliant and Grissom in quick succession, Starfleet needed a gas, temporary replacement for those ships. Turning to the Qualor Two shipyards, the dragged the best of the old Connie’s out for refit, the original Yorktown Refit. Since there was already a new Yorktown in the fleet, they needed to rename the original, so in deference to Kirk, they renamed it Enterprise, NCC-1701-A, thus killing two birds with one stone. Off in Spacedock, the just building Excelsior-class USS Enterprise was reregistered from NCC-2545 (for example), to NCC-1701-B.

[@RegClintonBrown]

Interesting🤔

[@TheIndyTrekker]

How about the Enterprise-A vs Enterprise-B.

[@alanbaker2347]

That was really cool

[@CaptainRacer4Real]

So it turns out that the Enterprise A / Yorktown was built from the ground up unlike the refit. So it was able to get better systems than the refit.

[@tarn1135]

The A wasn’t the Yorktown, it wasn’t the Ti-ho either, well kind of. Look back at Star Trek 5 where Scotty said “let’s see what she’s got, said the Captain and we did. I think this ship was put together by monkeys.” Reason I bring that up is a ship doesn’t have those issues if it was an older ship, as those theory’s say. Generally the an older ship has all its kinks worked out where those said kinks are all there in new builds. The next thing is that it’s a naval taboo to rename a ship that’s already been in christened and in service. After that the idea that just because a newer and better design is available the production of a ship line isn’t just ended, they may not have ordered any more to be built but they sure would finish building the ones already being built and The excelsior class was still being tested by the movie ST 5 so My theory that keeps those theories alive, sort of, while also preserving naval tradition is that the A was almost done being built under a different name but wasn’t launched or christened yet so when the original Enterprise was destroyed and the whale probe incident happened Starfleet and the federation council decided to honor the loss of the great ship and the crew that saved everyone by christening the next Connie class that was coming off the line the Enterprise-A. There’s precedent for this in WW2 when the USA lost a carrier the navy would rename one of new ones being built to that name. This not only honored the ship and crew that was lost but also screwed with the Japanese who thought they sunk that one. Basically my explanation doesn’t shit on the legacy or crew of the old ship but also explains how a new one was built so quickly. The Big E-A was a brand new ship but as the design was at the end of its time she only served for a little while compared to previous ones. You could also say Starfleet saw damage report after the battle of kitimer and decided that instead of spending resources to rebuild a trashed ship of a line that was being phased out they’d instead decommission her and build a new Excelsior class ship to carry on the name. Again in the real world we saw this with many ship that’s were built in WW2 that were decommissioned and mothballed after only a few years of service, like Iowa class battleships. So it’s possible the Big E-A was mothballed in the reserve mothball fleet with the possibility of being recommissioned if the need arose.

[@XHunter442]

It was uss yorktown like the kelvin timeline starbase yorktown builds the uss enterprise A from the ground up! lol

[@tiffanybatcheller-harris522]

No surprise that the Enterprise A made very short work of the Enterprise Refit. 😂 It’s newer with more advanced technology including more powerful shields, phasers and photon torpedoes and it’s faster. 😉

[@DanBen07]

1:06 If they made a new ship based on an old design it's probably because Kirk asked them to.

[@matts1166]

"New" might be a relative term, kind of like how the Titan-A was "new" while using mish-mashed parts from other ships, including parts from the original Titan and nacelles that were over 25 years old. Perhaps they had a bunch of Constitution parts laying around. For example, a half-finished saucer for a refit they no longer needed to do, and some junkyard nacelles and warp core from a severely battered ship. It would be fast and cheap to just make a new engineering hull, slap on the old parts, and viola' it's a "new" ship. Kinda anyway.

[@EdricLysharae]

The A has better performance because she has more decks: Indisputable logic!

[@andybrooks7228]

The Enterprise A was also bigger.

[@escos0410]

I’m showing my age But what game is this? simulator?

[@patrickmurray3846]

in a real fight the enterpise - A would win as it's weapons and shields are like 10 years newer and more powerful then the refit's

[@haloboy456]

ha! this match up is a meme

[@sarcasticstartrek7719]

... I mean...