Three Women Discuss Campus Life in Lahore | Eon Podcast #36

0:00 - Intro
2:35 - Reverse Sexism in College?
5:04 - The LUMS And PU experience
7:38 - Ragging At Punjab University
9:44 - Diversity at LUMS And LSE
13:08 - Fahashi In LUMS
14:42 - Day Scholar/Hostelite culture at PU and LUMS
19:26 - 'Hanging Out' Spaces at Uni
28:21 - Critically evaluating universities
31:34 - Was Universal College A Bad Idea?
33:33 - LUMS As Replacement For Student Politics
40:56 - Campus Food and Amanullah's Experiences At PU
41:44 - Did Your Uni Prepare You For Adult Life?
50:13 - Food on Campus
51:25 - Bahawalpur And The Issue of Sexual Harassment
1:04:15 - Why Should Women Be Forced To Work With Men
1:13:53 - The Issue of Aurat March
1:23:25 - Personal Experiences With The Patriarchy
1:36:11 - Liberals and Expectations From Modernity
1:39:18 - Looking Back To Your 18 Year Old Self
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[@socraticgirl5390]

Have me on board for Quaid-i-Azam university Islamabad 😂 I would love to share my insights.

[@JReviews7]

These girls, what I have perceived, are kinda outspoken, bold and someone who know their rights and all the stuff. The girls who usually face harassment are often the naive ones, who are not outspoken, who the men think as 'soft or easy target'. So a solution for girls to avoid harassment is be not the soft target, don't be friendly, don't have soft or mild tones. Just be authorative.

[@user-wf9nh8re6i]

I think, Girl from Punjab university is more aware, natural and Realist to ground realities of majority

[@umairshahkhattak630]

Chup kr be

[@AsadAbbas-wm1tu]

Same thing is advised for women in Quran Surah Al Ahzab verse 32 to 34 "That don't keep your tone soft while talking to a man "

[@jahangirsamtio8690]

That's the problem they only know their rights not responsibilities. That's where men are overburdened, Islamic women's rights are sufficient no western rights should be allowed.

[@ibraheemq7859]

@@AsadAbbas-wm1tu why do you have to go to a place where there are men?

[@Samurai016]

Girl in white suit is truly a articulate graceful lady she knows how to put her point clearly with utmost poise love her from india 🇮🇳

[@CaptainArslann]

Something to watch! Podcasts covering such issues shd really be appreciated.

[@QasimKhan-xr4dm]

Great podcast.. All views were presented in an un-biased way .. Loved the way Haider and Aman kept lightening the mood .

[@user-bq5qv7fz8e]

Loved this podcast. You guys tried something new and as a university student myself hearing the university comparison in our circle everyday thankyou for adding some new information. Keep up the goodwork guys. And hats off to these young women representing their universities with well experienced lads.

[@jahangirsamtio8690]

That's the problem they only know their rights not responsibilities. That's where men are overburdened, Islamic women's rights are sufficient no western rights should be allowed.

[@asfarkhan6687]

Thoroughly enjoyed the discussion....so proud of you Samaha!!😭

[@user-bd8im8up3l]

Great podcast. Invite more students of different universities. It will be good for awareness.

[@faltuvlogs0]

I DONT BELIVE I WATCHED THUIS MUCH LONG PODCAST. BEASUSE IT WAS WORTHY. GOOD WORK KEEP UP GUYS

[@socraticgirl5390]

Very thoughtful podcast. Loved it.

[@F-Khan491]

Very informative podcasts. Good too see such diversity in your content guys. Keep up the good work.👍

[@jahangirsamtio8690]

That's the problem they only know their rights not responsibilities. That's where men are overburdened, Islamic women's rights are sufficient no western rights should be allowed.

[@Tech_Earn_]

One way women can avoid harassment is by setting clear boundaries asserting their rights and speaking up against any form of mistreatment.

[@jahangirsamtio8690]

That's the problem they only know their rights not responsibilities. That's where men are overburdened, Islamic women's rights are sufficient no western rights should be allowed.

[@uf6447]

As the girl with hijab do exist at great number in PK institutes, wish you would have invited someone with that outlook.

[@carlovers6558]

A good time spent by watching this podcast. Learning different experiences of different campus life are good.

[@Moj356]

A worth watching podcast!!

[@afnankhan43001]

Amanullah is the only winner in this podcast. Just purely laughing with himself and holding back his (informative) punches to its fullest extent.

[@Sheebanraufmarwat]

Good informative podcast ❤

[@harixkhattak6663]

Great podcost " Awr b maza ata agr diff provinces k uni cultures discuss hota" and diff provinces k guests hota " but hope ap log wo b cover kar lenga " All the best for the future podcosts

[@taimoooooooor7594]

I genuinely enjoyed this podcast. Subscribing you guys :)

[@ishaafzal9678]

I love this kind of podcast. I want more of this

[@ayeshanazirb]

being a woman I really enjoyed Amanullah Sir's point of view! The Man revealed the Hard Truths🗿✨

[@jahangirsamtio8690]

That's the problem they only know their rights not responsibilities. That's where men are overburdened, Islamic women's rights are sufficient no western rights should be allowed.

[@itxgoldie4319]

so true

[@hadiaishfaq3972]

"Why should women be forced to work with men" is really a thought provoking point......I totally agree with Oman on this....

[@itxgoldie4319]

yehi bat h

[@shoujahasnain8234]

Very informative ❤

[@nabiasaqib1063]

The LSE girl was well spoken. Even haider tried his level best to troll lse but the lse girl was strong with her replies

[@syrasafdar]

really good podcast, host is a sensible person.

[@fightfanatic9102]

I believe Bhawalpur University's case is 100% true because I saw it with my own eyes in my universities and yes you men are absolutely right, we (men) are very dangerous when it comes to this. I did my graduation from UAF (main campus) this event exists there. In the PU it also exists... I am currently a postgrad student at PU so these things exist and people like these should be punished regardless of gender.

[@AwwamDost]

Yes these things do exist,sometime subtly,sometimes with hostility. But it cant be labelled on the whole of the male gender. That guy in podcast,was right,exploiters and harrasers form an alliance,but every male doesnt joins them. All aren't without conscience. The women perceptions about male gender as intimidating is imperfect and over geralized. All women are not alike,neither naive,nor victims. Some are(mostly from rich backgrounds) are themself exploiters and harrasers. Exploitation has to do more with socioeconomic superiority mostly,yet also with criminal mentality,again a product of our failing, unjust,unequal society. That male participant was right,politics and political debates should be a part of youth's education,after all they are the leaders of tomorrow's society ? Will they let society decay,as it is decaying now ? Will they constraint themself just to podcasts and "mera khial hai" opinions ? What is the khial of masses ? Dont they need to listen to it too ? In a failed society,will they bring any change by remaining isolated to their own(somewhere very rigid) opinions ?

[@AwwamDost]

Yeah, what's wrong with "mil Kay khaana bannana" ? Lums Lady 🎉

[@AwwamDost]

"culturally inappropriate" ? What is "our" culture ? Do we have socioeconomic equality ? Culture is based upon socioeconomics. When we have different classes,and their subclasses,can we have uniform culture, accepted and endorsed by everyone ?

[@AwwamDost]

Ifra,what is communism ? Do you have any idea ? Communism is giving equal opportunities for PU students,like those of LUMS and LSE. Anything wrong with it ? Does LUMS or LSE class has any human advantage over others ? Just because of their wealth(unknown sources),they should retain the superiority over others ?

[@AwwamDost]

Transgenders. Do they exist ? Do they equal human rights ? If no,then shouldnt they protest ?

[@user-qp3vt2sp5d]

Sb ny bht acha point of view dia.... 3no girls ko appreciate krta hn

[@tahirrasool5590]

We want more podcast like this

[@aleexious4670]

I love it that how all the members are open-minded, respecting each other narrative and have a healthy discussion :)

[@jahangirsamtio8690]

That's the problem they only know their rights not responsibilities. That's where men are overburdened, Islamic women's rights are sufficient no western rights should be allowed.

[@ayeshafatima6744]

"1:04:15 - Why Should Women Be Forced To Work With Men " strongly agree with him

[@backgroundmusic5802]

It is universally true tht women feel safe with women.... It is a natural instinct that Allah (SWT) has put in women... I feel these students or freshly graduates haven't seen life in it's true nd real form where they could realize that yes women colleges should be seperate....

[@hadibutt03]

being a PU hostelite, i think there is a misrepresentation, I have witnessed girls leaving late but not all of them opted for this... however, the hostel canteens are like open till late night... so that was correct of being 24/7

[@salmanameen7657]

A good Conversation , please arrange a more podcast with GC lahore, Aitcheson , NUML and Quad e Azam uni Islamabad students

[@ilsahalvi526]

Gcu plss

[@servantof1god]

السلامعلیکم ایک انتہائی خوبصورت نشست تھی یہ۔ خاص طور پر جو چوتھی خاتون تھیں ان سے بہت متاثر ہوا ہوں۔

[@aliismine]

*Great Combo!*

[@RiaFar]

I think you guys should explore why younger generations want to leave Pakistan, in a non-biased way from both gender's perspectives.

[@saverasavera3652]

Coz there’s basically nothing in Pakistan. Every organisation is corrupt, the country is fully controlled there’s no freedom of speech, money talks everywhere, no merit based system, corrupt leaders, no democracy, poor job prospects poor career prospects, low salaries and a lot more. Why waste your skills and money in a country which does not respect you and appreciate you enough. They don’t value individuals therefore people leave for places where they earn what they deserve

[@Maria-tm8jg]

I'll tell you why. Our society has no morals. There is no security and stability. There is zero tolerance towards people who think differently from the mainstream. And a lot of young people think differently but can't express themselves because, as i said, there is no tolerance in society and a general lack of critical thinking skills. And everything is 50 times worse for women and minorities. A women is not seen as an independent human being who has god given human rights. She is seen as a burden and an object that must be controllyby men. And last but not least, Pakistan doesn't protect its children. Children from poor families have to endure a nighmare. Their lives are hell. They are used by their families sold into harsh labour, often abused and sexually asualted by a wide variety of people in society and have no one to protect them. Some are sold into prostitution and some are literally cut up into pieces for organ extraction. Children are the most vulnerable and as a state and society, we have completely failed them. Just go and see how bad child and in general human trafficking is in Pakistan and then you won't be asking why young people want to leave this country.

[@jahangirsamtio8690]

That's the problem they only know their rights not responsibilities. That's where men are overburdened, Islamic women's rights are sufficient no western rights should be allowed.

[@abubakarsarfaraz]

You guys have to add captions

[@imamaali3454]

For a country in which bullying is shugal we donot need incidents to change we need a change of mindset and trust thia fact that poverty or riches nothing can cause this change but a miracle.

[@AsadAli-vs6sk]

1:15:55 Peak Amaanullah bhai moment , oh bhai , Absolutely hilarious 😂😂😂😂 killed it.

[@user-pp7bq6ye9j]

Please maintain the legacy of this channel…. Is channel ko hum iss nazar sy dekhte hain k Jo khaen sikhny ko nahi mile ga woh yahan mile ga…. I admire this podcast but go for something informative and get us some deep stuff please

[@imamaali3454]

Colonial era wala point was legit.

[@HAMOOD_REHMAN818]

1:03:45 kiya baat kardi 💝💯

[@TThAkUrHamza]

Rest of the story is keep it up boys.. you're doing great EON holdings team..🍷

[@midniteswami]

As the PodCast concludes all I can say is Sanniya what a legend bndi. Mtlb ky solid. Legendary Bndi. 14 toppon key salami. Out shinned and out classed everyone else and shut even Amaan up. Haha

[@Umm-Harris]

Please do a session on karachi universities as well

[@ShahHassan.]

How can you guys missed nust .it's probably the best university in Pakistan. Btw great initiative and podcast ❤

[@SaraanSarangi]

Podcast is about lahore based universities 🤡

[@Groove_Craft]

After listening this whole conversation want to say so many things but is difficult for me to explain on comments section anyhow I really enjoy Pakistan zindabad ❤

[@Fakhar-to2nk]

An idea for you guys,,,, bring teachers from these universities or bring some male students too

[@kazi13869]

Respectfully, it would be nice to see Aman play the role of a facilitator rather than an instigator. Let the women speak, irrespective of how much you disagree with them. Hats off to haider, who is a great host.

[@mariemagnanimous5249]

In 21st century, 2023 people are discussing girls n boys should sit together or not in univ.....duniya kahan puhanch gai hai aur hum loog basic cheezo sy nai nikal sakty

[@mohammadtauhasiddiqui2058]

FC mn jo khookha ha woh kafi significant ha 😂 amanullah bhai ny bari mazedar yaad taza krdi!

[@realha55aan]

Asad troll LSE and Aman troll LUMS in entire podcast 😂. Hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@abdulkhalid2254]

Ull find many ppl in lums who are not students of lums every where, like computer lab , hostel common rooms & everywhere. If u have sticker of lums on ur car u cn enter anytime.

[@knowledge1975]

I totally agree with imanullah ❤ but overall Podcast is Good

[@GraphicDesigner-FTSSoft]

very good conversation plz tell me What Sania have any social media podcasts or any other content...

[@onlythroughrehmatofallah8192]

Asalamoalaikum sir . Sir i propose a suggestion , lets have a similar meet up but specifying on different boarding school like aitcheson , MCJ , Hassanabdal , lawrence college , Navy colleges , PAF colleges .

[@miangzia]

Aprt all from these, FC College University is best. It has diversity, good environment and Equality and the best campus life

[@blacknwhite1313]

Amanullah sir is love 💚💯💯🔥🔥

[@rabiakhalid5611]

Nice talk

[@sherikk6701]

well it's nice topic Good discussion i also seen on tiktok first time seen on KZbin only this video ap ny Kia Kata Kia nai but massage both acha Tha I loved it English me galti hoi hoto I extremely sorry 😂❤

[@KashifAlii-ts8go]

do a podcast with GIKI, IBA, NUST, LUMS' students !!! and bring male students as well, that would be greattt

[@maharhassebahmedhattar.]

you all need to know about CA genatory, leterly if about 10 percent facilities of PU will be provided to CA aspirants that will be like pradise for CA Aspirants. we rush for haing facilities like PU. Even liberary is a greater issue for us some times we need to wait for vacancy of chair in Liberary.

[@QasimKhan-xr4dm]

Came back to watch the part where Haider says " Its a good school" 😅

[@imzrox]

Great podcast! However, it wouldve been more interesting if you had male counterparts from their respective universitites and they could simultaneously describe their experiences in the same environment to analyze male and female experiences. Nonetheless, an interesting discussion. Well done to you moderators for keeping the conversation about them and not you!

[@jahangirsamtio8690]

That's the problem they only know their rights not responsibilities. That's where men are overburdened, Islamic women's rights are sufficient no western rights should be allowed.

[@saifUlIslam-kc2ek]

Let me correct about the student politics. The Pu girl told that there are no elections in the student organization which is incorrect. Islami jamiat talaba hold elections every year where it's president from national level to city level changes and hence new bread comes and hold the positions.

[@aqeelahmedzia]

1:13:52 ❤❤❤

[@hamzahmughal]

1:15:55 Amaan Bhai Nailed it 😜

[@AdnanKhan-st9hi]

Effective talks

[@ideapulse-i2i]

LAST PART 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@WorldofHHS]

overall a good podcast, would be more interesting if you bring boys from the same place and reconduct this podcast

[@Sab_1902]

Sir, ap Gujranwala k University cultures pay podcast kren idhr aik different he diversity chl rhi.

[@mwasif1788]

something new interesting.

[@TThAkUrHamza]

And one more thing respect your elders.. like the lums studenet said dont interpret me.. to hammad bhai. It is ok..but its bot the way you ask for space to any elder.

[@mishaalkhawar9439]

❤

[@canislupus909]

45:00 learning a software of any kind is never a problem. you can learn it in a month... you can learn 3d max in one month but the thing is Skill... tool isn't your skill and tool will be replaced after a time. but your point is accurate because it lacked real life experience and practical world scenarios and you just didn't know what happens outside of your curriculum.

[@canadianpbi2169]

Love from canada From indian panjab I was also student of @panjab university Chandigarh (india) Podcast bhot wadia hunda tuhade 22 sarre sun lye want to contact big fan

[@ahstedit]

Second half is more fun to watch #mykitchenkey

[@Huzaifakiani47]

Good 👍🏾

[@midniteswami]

The LUMS Professor who was fired was a known offender. A female student went to speak to him. She was wearing a unique-looking hoodie with a zip on both arms and in the center. The teacher opened the zip on one arm and jokingly said oops!!! The incident was caught on CCTV video, and there was testimony from another girl who was with the victim when the incident occurred. Professor was summarily discharged. This was a very minor and isolated case blown out of proportion by the girl. In my experience, there are instructors who are extremely friendly and accommodating to students in return for favors. Note that I say students, this is a genderless thing in LUMS, at least. For girls, it's usually one of two cases; either they don't fully understand the fact that in power-imbalanced relationships, no consent is possible. However, this lack of awareness results in a confused girl unsure if what happened was harassment or consensual, thus the incidents not being reported. Then there are the groupie chicks who deliberately indulge in banter and flirting. Predators keep pushing their luck and the limit with such girls until they get lucky or get burnt. I have seen students reap major favors and a lot of rewards as a result of sucking up to professors. I can attest to that from personal experience as a student counselor and someone whose friends did such things. My own roommate was responsible for ensuring a certain professor never ran out of joints, and in return, he was able to graduate in 6 long years despite an abysmal 2.1 GPA, but that professor stuck out for him and got him all manner of favor including giving 3 straight 2 credit hour self-study for three straight quarters. The same guy ended up dating a French Professor who taught at LUMS for two years. My then-girlfriend and I would often go to the faculty apartments to chill. Alcohol and charas were common places, and certain girls, were permanent fixtures. Thanks to my roommate, my girlfriend did not once have to sleep in the common room during Spring or Summer. She had her own key, her own room and her own bed in a professor's apartment for practically the entire summer of junior year. These things happen openly in public. Hidden in plain sight. You just need to know where to look. The biggest most prime example of harassment is U**R B***R in the Student Affairs Department. Tharki-e-Azam LUMS. I'm yet to come across a girl who hasn't needed 2 cold showers after meeting him and I'm yet to see a girl who hasn't indulged his tharak. So it swings both ways.

[@sadiarao6753]

😢😢😢

[@JReviews7]

I agree, i believe the girl from LUMS was overly advocating it, or she isn't an obersver.

[@ayeshaabaid4805]

TBH it's Horrific!

[@fouzm8310]

“thek ha bs hogya” 😂 35:17

[@ahmaddawood3413]

Amanullah is way too intellectual than those 3 ones. But please keep this podcast informative. I think this is less University or student version and more general information version 😂

[@MSaifUllahSial]

The way pu girl mocked boys from distant areas, it was really shameful to listen as part of PU. She must be ashamed and eat her words

[@syedfaseh4493]

As it should be 😊

[@user-py2vj5vb7d]

EON is making nice podcast plz make podcast with Faisal warriach Dekho Suno Jano

[@usama549]

The boys. 😂 Epic 🎉

[@reyyanasad7291]

Great podcast but fix your audio problems please

[@muhammadfurqansarwar5266]

Inaam Bhai at the end....rocked it....hats off bro 👍

[@anasahmed1164]

Real issues start after one hour. Although i am totally agree with aman we follow western technology rather than thier cultures ergo we faced such tremendous scenario in our institutes.

[@ahmadmahmood8444]

Superior university ma such ma management cooperative naih ha bulkul Black dressed girl na jo bola ja ka khod deal kar lo. Management ke isi weakness ke waja sa maja apna semester freez karwana para taqa ma apna semester new bag ka start kar sakao literally maja ghar ana para 4 month ka leya bhottt horibale days tha mara leya 😢😢

[@HanzlaETP]

1:15:54 Aman

[@dgurmani]

I am an avid viewer of this podcast and just finished watching the August 14th Podcast with Tariq saab, and they're is a clear difference of respect given to the guest from Tariq saab to these 3 ladies. Quite a low point in this channel podcast journey. With Tariq saab you guys listened carefully to him and never interrupted him or made rude remarks, but here your constantly displaying a childish naive behavior. An apology should be made for such behavior, hope not to see such behavior again on this channel. As I'd like to see more podcast sharing the difference and similarities in our various educational organizations and other organizations, but the hosts should treat all with respect like they do with Tariq saab.

[@mariemagnanimous5249]

Girl from the lums nails the show.....

[@user-or3mg1bg1p]

32:00 haha that was so embarassing i would have died of awkwardness

[@Naz20155]

@EON Podcasts please level-up this podcast and discuss the real issues of universities like "why we, and our universities failed in research and development? why are we not developing anything significant? why are we not inventing anything. Why students are dying to get grades and jobs and not contirbuting anything meaningful to the society. Why are we in identity crises. and HOW TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES. These are smalled issues "k larka laki ko ikhatha parhna chahye ya nahi, comfortable hain nahi."

[@canislupus909]

43:22 as school drop out, it's comedy to me. ask me a thing about business and discuss a plan of a billion pkr and then see... lol

[@HateemAhsan-yk3xc]

sania baaji have great family

[@amanrathore7509]

modesty > education

[@Naz20155]

We should not see univeristies as a "career" making institutes, we should see them and universities should also aim to make them as an institute of "Great human being" making institutes.

[@ibraheemq7859]

well it is opposite

[@AqsaFatimaAqsaFatima-ly4xd]

please include girls from Comsats University Lahore, as well. This podcast is 👍👍

[@attaulkarim.1]

1:15:55. Aman ullah. Baaz a jaoo 😂😂