EP 157: Is Our Culture Incentivizing Men to Transition? with Sascha Bailey

Guest, Sascha Bailey, reflects on his journey as a model, art curator, and pioneer in the NFT (Non-Fungible Tokens) art scene. A captivating account of the intersection where art, tech, and culture collide with personal identity. Sascha differentiates between emotional and functional motives for transitioning, discussing transmaxxing, incentives, and societal trends. Offering listeners a blend of unexpected insights, even challenging hosts, Sasha and Stella, to step outside their familiar gender-centric framework.
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[@FrankskinOrweed-ep4ij]

Free only for women? That’s illegal I’m pretty sure as it’s exclusionary based on sex! SEXIST, you should not have to transition for badic equality! She them for sexism first

[@reginazwilling5276]

The other piece that is so telling: "I don't know what it means to feel like a female so how can this feeling be that? This feeling probably means something else". That's it. Perfectly and concisely said.

[@PS-qn4oz]

Right! Feeling "feminine" is understandable because we all have an idea of what classic femininity entails. Usually it's associated with positive or neutral traits like gentleness, beauty, and sensitivity. But to be an actual female is something else and includes many hard struggles. Obviously males who "feel female" are never feeling PMS, the fear of being impregnated, the fear of getting their period when they're unprepared, labor pains, etc....they are not feeling what women actually feel inside.

[@fromchomleystreet]

The basic truth that seems so rarely brought up, and which immediately demolished the assumptions behind this movement, is that none of us have any experience being anybody other than ourselves. What that means is than none of us - regardless of whether we identify as trans or not - can possibly know what “being a man” or “being a woman” feels like. We can only know what being “ME” feels like. Now, If we are looking at the various elements of that subjective experience of “me” and concluding that that experience corresponds in some meaningful way to a wider experience of being “man” or “woman”, we can ONLY be doing so by identifying perceived correspondences between elements of our subjective experience of “me” and gender stereotypes, because there simply is no other possible reference available to us.

[@insidiousmischka]

He was probably just feeling vulnerable and equated it with o femininity/femaleness in his head.

[@Gingerblaze]

One incredibly important aspect which many desisted/detransitioned people have stated influenced their desire to transition is isolation. This is where so many teenagers find themselves as there is very little social life opportunities for teenagers in real life so they spend an immense amount of time online. When isolation is coupled with immersion in the online world and tech platforms, from fan fic to gaming to art and erotic/ online spaces, teenagers are vulnerable in a unique way to (mostly adult) influencers who populate those spaces. These are experiences which can cause significant disassociation from ones body and at the same time making one focus on their own body as a canvass, as primarily a sexual object rather than giving opportunities for them to develop as a whole person.

[@reginazwilling5276]

I was starting to have a glimmer of hope that the transmania had reached its zenith and was perhaps waning. Hearing this conversation makes me realize it is taking a whole new turn with the incentivized or "functional" reasons. It makes perfect sense.

[@roserowson8270]

Functional transition is easier to end though. Ban men in women sports, men on women's quota (or stop the quotas specialist scheme etc) and it would stop straight away.

[@anarchist_parable]

The "adults can do whatever they want with their bodies" argument would be valid if this were being presented as the body modification that it is and not a medical treatment. If there is no diagnostic criteria for it, and there isn't under affirmation and self ID, then A) Medicaid shouldn't be paying for it and B) it should t be treated like a medical intervention. Because it's being treated like a medical intervention without being regulated, it's not ethical to offer to adults either. It's totally different for an adult to say "I want this because I just do" than it is to take a mentally ill adult and tell them that if they don't do this, they'll kills themselves and the source of all their sadness is their genitals. We talk about consent but never coercion and mentally ill adults require some level of safeguards as well.

[@MysticMom75]

They do actually go into this in the additional bonus content on the substack. I don’t think any of the three of them would disagree with what you’re saying here.

[@anarchist_parable]

@@MysticMom75 I love this podcast and the guests, I know they've addressed these things. I post mostly to engage with other people because I'm desperate to talk about these things but as a vegan chef, I'm surrounded by trans activists at all times 😩

[@kimberleyfloyd8179]

I found that Sascha Bailey really had a unique perspective on the subject. The whole environment factoring in to decisions to transition in youth was something that I never thought of. It reminds me of some stories of parents who took their kids away to the country or to a country where they had other family and these kids desisted. It also made me think that maybe it can be about control for some young people or anybody for that matter, sort of like bulimia anorexia or other eating disorders. It really was a fresh perspective. I notice that in the art world, even in my small city, the language is very much about inclusivity, diversity, and specific to my region, so I can see how, if even unknowingly, people start to identify as something different. If you can identify yourself, even as non-binary in a field that is so competitive, you might just get attention. The people getting awarded and rewarded are often in these 'marginalized' groups.

[@widerlenspod]

Bullseye.

[@pleopod]

I really agree that we need to consider gender dysphoria as sometimes a symptom of a larger self dysphoria. We also need to consider the issue of disembodiment which seems to be ever increasing. Over all when we look back at this time and it’s consequences the two most useful phrases in considering history will likely apply “it seemed like a good idea at the time” and when we consider the outcomes “I didn’t see that coming”.

[@magaliroy-fequiere792]

JENNIFER BILEK has been doing vital work on this topic for at least the past 3 years! Transhumanism is the final destination of the gender industry and should be a part of your conversations too. . Her analysis is one that is very smart and clarifying. Regardless of what group you are in. Would you not give her some time and space on your show?

[@miriamlana833]

Why is the TERF movement so afraid of transhumanism? I think they only fear that one day AMABs are enabled to produce big gametes by technology, that day their whole ideological base gets lost.

[@w.f.4287]

I hope they have her on

[@amaryllisequistra]

Another guest who has blown my socks off… insightful and whip smart! Have a wonderful life Sacha! And thankyou for putting yourself out there to inform people of some the many facets of the desire to transition.

[@jan9562]

I find myself wanting to listen again to " Embodiment" by Known Heretic. It is everyone's birthright to appreciate our bodies, our health.

[@AndyJarman]

Oow, thanks I'll take a look.

[@jan9562]

Specifically 'Emodiment- I am my body' and 'Embodiment is the state of being fully occupied. Embodiment skills are the basic building blocks of safeguarding'.

[@hnybee113]

Fascinated about the tech on the spectrum man wanting to transition. Bc they would look at their body like a vehicle or machine they can build. I work with autistic young adults at a local highschool. I see this type of personality everyDay!!

[@miriamlana833]

That's exactly what the body is, a biological machine, not more. Only the conscience is the person.

[@bogdiworksV2]

@miriam The body and the consciousness are not separate.

[@miriamlana833]

@@bogdiworksV2 they are kind of chained together, but none is a part or a function of the other.

[@Gingerblaze]

@@miriamlana833 what lead you to believe that? If that is so, why medically cometically modify the body?

[@miriamlana833]

@@Gingerblaze to have a better matching machine for the person. Btw, also cis people do that. Ah, why I believe that? Because I'm a dualist. If you're a monist, it's also only a belief.

[@dcitennison5911]

Really enjoyed listening to this Sascha Bailey. “Something is taken from you. . “ That describes it perfectly.

[@daughter_of_earth]

How did the idea that using sex-based pronouns is rude begin? It is SUCH a ridiculous idea.

[@JohnSmith-nm1jk]

Oh my God, this interview literally sent shivers down my spine. I'm 30+, in tech, and have been on the verge of transitioning. Finally someone from outside the Blanchard-obsessed sphere. He brilliantly encapsulated my problem with the autogynephilic theory in one sentence: its definition is so all-encompassing that it's impossible to escape. You transition because you feel you could love yourself as a woman (instead of hating yourself as a man)? Autogynephile. Yet once you accept it, they smuggle in the narrower sexual definition and call you a paraphiliac who apparently is more interested in having a self-centered kink than loving others (I'd just want to like myself, please, and reserve the romantic love for my partner). What if I just hate the way I'm seen because of my gender?

[@iggydesisted220]

As a female, this is the first guest whose experience I’ve related to. I also had CSA and identified as a boy/man at many points in my life to escape. My childhood was mostly good but there were problems and I didn’t fit in very well with girls. I used the identity of male to be and to mentally escape my school bullies. 48:03 does Sascha think that growing up, his family paid more attention to what his sister or mother said? Did people value their feelings more or take them more seriously? I ask because, as a child, the people around me didn’t give me the attention I needed to escape my abusive situation. I noticed that they listened attentively to the boys in the neighbourhood much more to me. If they’d given me attention and taken my emotions seriously, I might’ve felt safe to speak up about the CSA.

[@harrietcanwell2058]

David Bailey, his father, who Stella refers to as a renowned photographer, was known within the London fashion & arts circles as being a bad man. He was horribly abusive of young women; a ferocious misogynist.

[@alexandrazachary.musician]

I love listening to you beautiful women listening!!! I’m in training as a therapist and you teach me a lot about deep listening. Thank you 🙏🏽❤️

[@irenalovesart4064]

Fascinating! At my daughter's school all the girls are NB because being a woman is hard and unfair

[@dianaking8828]

If there was no advantage in being a boy it wouldn’t even occur to them. We should stop favouring boys and having differential expectations of them

[@TormentedDreamer]

Something I've articulated a while back is: children nowadays are phobic about any discomfort and puberty is inherently uncomfortable. So the whole "rapid onset dysphoria" as it was previously called is little more than puberty-phobia. In case of your daughters school, they're likely just scared of the scarecrow version of being an adult woman as painted by feminism.

[@irenalovesart4064]

@TormentedDreamer maybe ... but it's not feminism they fear their inability to be a perfect hot woman OR be a victim of a man or the patriarchy. Plus porn is gross and they don't want to be part of that category

[@Gingerblaze]

@@TormentedDreamer what is the "scare crow" version of women?

[@TormentedDreamer]

@@Gingerblaze *Womanhood (apologies, that would've been the better phrasing earlier), as being a physically matured woman in society. The scaredcrow version of that is: Patriarchy exists, men lust only after you for your body, sex is little more than what you see in extreme pornographic material, you can only be selfreliant or get exploited etc. Basically seeing the world as a paranoid BPD. Very much a mythology.

[@briana5772]

This is a fascinating conversation! What an interesting perspective from Sascha! Sometimes I wonder about the future of body modification surgeries, in the context of transhumanism, and the medical ethics of that. Also, I'm reminded of a former relationship I had with a man who worked in tech. He decided to stop eating food and drink nutrition shakes called Soylent instead. He was willing to give up all the physical joys of eating just to maximize his productivity.

[@Gingerblaze]

What did he consider was "being productive"?

[@briana5772]

working through every meal without stopping.@@Gingerblaze

[@ameliahamilton8637]

Yeeeeep. Nutritional shakes are the gateway drug to transhumanism for those who live in the computer world. My ex also always proclaimed that he would so much rather drink a shake of nutritional goo than do all that it takes to feed a body. Granted, he never cooked a damn meal either. How very convenient that philosophy was for him... and I personally now warn my daughters that a man not being able to cook is a huge and obvious red flag to avoid at all cost 😅 To me, putting on music and cooking meals from scratch is a joy 💜 if I harvested it, even better! I am now paired with a man who feels the same way ✨️

[@briana5772]

Wow, you too? @@ameliahamilton8637 That's awesome you met another real food enthusiast!

[@HarryBuxley]

I'm glad you have a guest on talking about this, I've noticed this trend for a long time in the tech world, way before the trans conversation was as mainstream as it was now. I would often come across a deeply technical software wizardry related blogpost or article signed off with a girls name. Being a male interested in the same subjects I of course would go and click their bio and increasingly, 9/10 time, they are a biological male, usually in their early 20s. It's worth noting that the women that are exceedingly good at this type of work, of which there definitely are some, but which requires many many hours sat in front of computer screen in isolation, usually use an ambiguous name because they care more about the work and don't want the attention of being a woman in very male dominated area, or just a woman on the internet. Whereas the biological males now seem to be doing it to grow their follower base, get more attention and more opportunity. It's been concerning to me because these are mostly very intelligent and thoughtful young men, spending a lot of time on the internet, and thinking about things in terms of systems. It's natural that they start systematizing how society treats men and women, especially in terms of attention on the internet, and decide well ok, if this is an option I'll do it.

[@r.c.3614]

He is strikingly gorgeous

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

🤔

[@imnobody115]

He’s very dishy

[@Nina_Olivia]

I’m glad I didn’t say it first 😂- absolutely stunning!!

[@KlarkyKat]

Does anyone think...this guy is moving through the world in such rarified circles that he is so far detached from reality that he cannot see the wood for the trees. He accepts the idea of trans as legitimate as a matter of course. He has personally rejected the notion of 'transitioning' as not for him, without considering why it is a bad idea for people in general. In his world, body modification is inevitable and desirable, without considering the WHY. Why would we want to transition in the first place? Why would we want to alter ourselves to the degree that constitutes a rejection of our natural selves? Why is this fake avatar better than the real thing? Even if we accept that surgeries and implants and wrong-sex hormones come at zero cost to health, which of course is ludicrous on its face, why is it more desirable at all? He is right that the market sells us a form of false escapism but even knowing that, he still embraces this frankly terrifying future. I think what this shows us is that tech-native youth have such a naivete about the conditions that healthy humanity flourishes, working within nature, not above it in some lofty simulation. We need to take care of our world, our natural world,the place that is all of our birthright and that we are part of no matter what we pretend. But sadder than that, there is the rush of this generation to discard anything natural, flawed though it may be, in favour of sterile homogenisation. And in that, we lose creativity, spontaneity, beauty, and ultimately ourselves. How the market and technology is ruining children and young adults' ability to experience joy, kinship, real relationships and a sense of belonging should be the title of this podcast. No pushback either. Just fawning, sadly. He isn't a rare bird or alien. He is a lost, traumatised adult who is finding at least some of his way back through (one hopes) a healthy relationship and greater sense of belonging. This is the future we hope for all of our children. Not bionic arms with drillbits attached. We're having a hard enough time with the medical 'tech' we have now, and that's for stuff we actually need.

[@widerlenspod]

There is a huge difference between "embracing" a "terrifying future" and trying to understand it. It's true that Sascha runs in very different circles than many of us, but that's why his insights are so valuable. He is trying to explain where humanity might be headed and why, he is not necessarily endorsing it.

[@KlarkyKat]

Thank you for your reply. He seemed to be endorsing it to me, or at least, not moved to express any reservations about it. Perhaps I am missing something but it was quite the picture he was painting there at the end. He was, at the very least, dispassionate.

[@ameliahamilton8637]

Seems to me like he's just speaking facts about the generation he's surrounded by. He's IN IT. We are not. We are witnessing it from above. We didn't grow up in this. He's speaking earnestly about his generation, and he's not wrong. No, it isn't the way a healthy body thrives. But... we did give them the screens, didn't we? So we have to take accountability for that. As well as stay open and communicate with the next generation openly and without contempt or denial. Or we'll all be lost. They need us 💜 We need them 💜 No one can educate or expand if they sit in judgement. We need to observe and know and listen and stay involved. I'm a millenial, so I'm a little closer than some in this group, I bet. But I still grew up outside without computers, on bikes, climbing trees. Thats what the children need. We need to stay connected, to help this generation raise their children. The ones that can have them- and choose to. The world and perspective you are experiencing is true. Everything he spoke about is also true- for him and his generation. We have to stay connected. The internet can be an echo chamber for us all. But a completely different chamber for each of us. This is what happens when we are disconnected and disbodied from physical reality, and even the adjacent generations have a separate reality from each other.

[@kentompkins7957]

His description of the tech industry and these individuals not having much use for their physical bodies… it’s very interesting and at the same time very dystopian. My consciousness and my physical body are intimately intertwined. I can’t imagine one without the other. As a physician I can’t fathom people having so little regard for their bodies (though I see it play out on a daily basis, including with myself).

[@mistressofstones]

Thats amazing, as a neurodivergent, traumatised woman I've had to do a LOT of work to integrate my body. I felt very much like a brain in a jar for decades. Oh to have always been integrated! What an amazing life experience you have had from my experience. I left my body soon after starting school as dissociation was all I could do to cope with the school environment.

[@Cathmoytura]

I wanted to be a girl more than anything when I was a child. I even tried looking like a girl from elementary to middle school. I was raised by a mom with serious mental-health disorders that made her violent, and intense misandry she aimed at me. I learned from her to hate myself for being a boy. Learning to embrace my masculinity was a huge part of my healing. Fortunately I grew up in the 70s-80s. I worry for girls and boys in similar situations today being rushed into transitions, especially if parents are involved pushing for it.

[@dyoung1492]

Isn't Sascha just lovely ... thoughtful and thought-provoking stuff.

[@shannonsayshi]

"I really don't want to be me right now" 💔

[@anarchist_parable]

"From Transgender to Transhuman" Martine Rothblatt. They tell us what they want

[@bwhitleyjr]

I am in tech and I am autistic with ADHD. I have been married for 35 years . I was considered a little odd / strange.

[@petiadavis5122]

What really resonated with me is that transition is just a moment of time a 'poscard' and the after this what do you do? You are still the same person and the world is still there. From watching people who are 'happy transitionors' just parade their scars and new clothes and whatever, but they don't actually live their lives and actually do 5hings

[@maanvis81]

Wow.. this guy has such a great deal of wise insights. Thx for doing the interview

[@cherylewers6322]

Hans-Georg Moeller's ideas about "identity technologies" comes to mind during this conversation.

[@AndyJarman]

Just spent a couple of hours listening to Jordan Peterson talking to Michael Shellenberger about the unrestrained devouring mother and her dysfunctional effect on society. Then I come here and learn about trans maxing! Bloomin eck.

[@Gingerblaze]

The way women authors did, in the past, to get published.

[@andywilliams8540]

@@Gingerblaze and now men pretend to be women to get published

[@Ruby_Spacek]

Great episode!

[@KramRemin]

Excellentinterview! Sascha is a live-wire; well worth listening to!

[@Clem62]

He still says assigned at birth and uses opposite sex pronouns. Hopefully he'll recognize the danger and come around in time.

[@miriamlana833]

Why shouldn't he? He never claimed to be now anti-trans in general, only that his own transition was wrong for himself.

[@llkoolbean4935]

​@@miriamlana833not anti trans to recognize sex at birth.

[@ameliahamilton8637]

It's his generation. And those younger. Many younger people only use "afab" and "amab" instead of woman and man. "Assigned female at birth" and "assigned male at birth". It's in them, they say it without thinking. It's the water they have been swimming in. Turned the frogs gay, that water.

[@miriamlana833]

@@ameliahamilton8637 no, these terms are only used in certain contexts and not instead of man and woman because the meaning is different. I'ts also not a question of generation, I'm early gen x and I use them too when I want to say what one's sexual birth state was, and ONLY THEN!

[@ameliahamilton8637]

@@miriamlana833 in the city I live in (woke af), many people use it in place of man and woman. Like, many. And almost all the younger people do. They seriously just use it in a casual sentence all the time, instead of man or woman. It drives me crazy. And not just when they are talking about trans people or people they are unsure of- they use it for everyone.

[@annemariegodden]

Thank you

[@naomiduckett6843]

Thankyou young man

[@awakened3651]

What is hugely missing in this tech and 'transition' problem solving discussion is how autism fits in. This is entirely typical autistic 'problem solving', and it is well known that autism/Asperger's is overrepresented in tech and sciences.

[@MindmusicArt]

22:17 Stellas expression here is just priceless!

[@Sarahbethcycles]

In the mechanical trades the misogyny is so rampant that it is very hard to be a woman and keep a job, let alone get hired. That’s why I didn’t come out until 38, and I was scared to death of what would happen. Socially, however it is tremendously more favorable to be included and treated as a woman than a man.

[@lynnebarnes3840]

This has been interesting.

[@tickledtodeath0]

Until he said he was dating a woman I kept wondering if he was married to a man of a woman all through the beginning. Is seems to me that was a basic question, "What exactly was your sexual orientation?" I did like what he said about WHY transition. Just to change SOMETHING while trapped as we are in the bodies. That seemed the most important info in this program: It's not necessarily trying to be this or that but just to change SOMETHING.

[@jasonthewatchmansson8873]

They didn't ask that very basic, very obvious question because they are on a mission to smear gay men with transgenderism. Since this fellow was married to a woman, they had no interest in pursuing the subject, as he might report being heterosexual. Had he been married to a man, his sexual orientation would have been the subject of most of the interview.

[@katejohnson3091]

This is a great interview but Stella's facial expression at 14:50-55 is wonderful

[@heleneschannel8015]

I'm a functional nutritionist. Case studies show that testosterone is an at all time low.. globally. Our foods have a lot of toxins, environmental chemicals... more heavy metals from pesticides... hormones and endocrine disruptors are affecting people's health in many ways. Depression, anxiety, hormonally we are all being affected. The food and water we eat plays a big role in our physiological bodies. You can not tell people how to feel.. but if your filling your body with estrogenic food sources and feeling more feminine .. looking more feminine then you do have to wonder if both what we eat and how we think in our environment is playing a role. Toxic loads are higher for younger people, because toxins live in your fat and if you were breastfed your mother may have passes a lot of toxin into a childs body. We are seeing microplastics inside the placenta. Yes.. these affect the endocrine system. I have two children who are NOT at all questioning their gender.. but they do know how to pick their foods wisely .. and they do try to eat organic and whole and stay focused on nutrient dense foods. We have our water checked and we are conscious of what we feed our bodies. Eating hormone meats and antibioticed red meat.. is not good for your own flesh.. this flesh becomes your flesh. I know it's hard to believe but also.. there are now nearly 9 billion people on this planet..which means more people more problems more awareness. Enough said. You all need to open your mind and eyes..biochemistry is fascinating and yes it plays a role in your overall health. Your brain is organ just like your heart and stomach is. The brain and gut are highly connected.

[@lilith3953]

This is such an important and underrecognized factor in all the numerous health and sanity challenges that we are currently facing as western society.

[@MysticMom75]

While I fully agree about the brain-gut axis and the importance of nutrition when it comes to mental health, I don’t know that you can explain the current trans phenomenon that way. I have done all the things you listed, it didn’t stop my daughter from falling into this. Also, from my personal experience you’re seeing a lot more girls than boys ID-ing as trans (so low testosterone not applicable) and more mid to upper middle class kids who were probably more likely be raised on organic food than not. We all want to find the ONE thing. I just don’t think there is one thing. There are so many paths to trans ID right now.

[@heleneschannel8015]

If you really want to know.. we should ask mother earth. The planet is in disparity as we humans are actually making her sick.. and in turn the energy and vibrations that she is feeling.. are resonating within us and I believe this is also making us sick. The earth probably is trying to reduce the amount of humans on earth.. kind of like an infection in your own body. This is my hunch, not a scientific proven equation. But, we are connected to this planet.. to the animals, the plants and to each other.. and I agree.. it probably is a multitude of many things. But I believe that nutrition can help people because it is essentially what we are made of. But the fact is we humans are no longer in touch with the basics in life.. and it is literally making our minds sick and yes, it is affecting our overall health. I am sorry you are experiencing this. It is difficult ..and deeply sad to see this. My daughter developed an autoimmune disorder and I have been trying to help her heal.. and reverse her sickness with foods and it is definitely working .. She is very conscious of what she is eating and she no longer is in pain or has strange fevers..etc Had we not searched in the functional nutrition path of healing my daughter would have developed Ankylosing Spondylitis or possibly Lupus. Yes, our children are sick. By the way she had pathogenic bacteria living in her gut with not symptoms in the stomach. Once we focused on healing the inflammation in her gut she started to heal. Had we listened to medical doctors she would be on steroids or other immune suppressants.. It's a long story.. but I am so grateful for the science of nutrition. @@MysticMom75

[@janebennetto5655]

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[@heleneschannel8015]

Ok, so you tested your daughter for environmental toxins, like microplastics, heavy metals, possibly mold, or there are other toxins like bacteria lipopolysaccharide? Did you use functional medicine testing? I know this sounds like a lot and it is. But, if a person is not functioning correctly.. something is causing this. There is. Remember the brain and adrenal system are organs too. Anxiety is correlated to imbalances in the gut.. The brain can be affected and many things can affect the blood-brain barrier. For example, even schizophrenia is correlated to nutritional deficiencies. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8554424/ There are other diseases like Alzheimer are also a symptom of nutrient deficiency. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4153851/ I am just saying that if this were my daughter I would have all of her hormones checked, her liver, her nutrient status, her gut health studied, I would research her heavy metal status and or microplastics chemical environment status. I would do it all to make sure that there is something not missing or changing or affecting her biochemistry. There are always healing opportunities and several root causes to a broken system.. but everything is connected. For example, if your daughter is very deficient in magnesium this can affect her brain as well. Magnesium (Mg) is involved in the regulation of metabolism and in the maintenance of the homeostasis of all the tissues, including the brain, where it harmonizes nerve signal transmission and preserves the integrity of the blood-brain barrier. I would not just pass the blame on just society. You see, the thing is .. everything has to be in the right place. Feeling masculine is a property of high testosterone.. and she may resonate with her masculine side because her endocrine system is being affected somehow. I do not believe you can necessarily tell people how to feel.. I have been raised Christian and went to church and all of that, but I never believed in it truly. I am using this as an example. But, to me, I can be told what to believe .. does not mean I will feel it or do it. Just saying. As a mom myself, I completely feel your pain. I struggled with my daughter and her autoimmune disease. And I was able to help her reverse her from moving into full-blown Lupus or Crohn's. We found pathogenic bacteria in her gut, and her symptoms were fevers, acne, anxiety, and back pain.. no gut issues. But once we addressed her gut health, she is no longer feeling these things... and her genetics show she could have gone down the path of serious diseases that could literally shorten her life span.. and reduce her quality. But we discovered the root causes.. so it's a process long and hard but worth it. I wish you much peace in this journey. The world is complicated it is. I would not give up. The human body is a fascinating organism... but believe it or not we are connected to the energy or our planet earth.. and to each other. So it is complicated. But, healing takes desire and sometimes a person needs to experience certain things in their life to learn their life's journey. Natural healing is about changing how we consume the foods we eat and how we feel, see, and appreciate our environment. We are mind, body, and spirit. So yes.. It is many things. But I believe she can heal.. I do. @@MysticMom75

[@AndyJarman]

The women in our company are given grants to attain a free MBA - men have to pay for the course themselves. I'm kicking myself now that I lost my job challenging the HR department over DEI instead of calling their bluff and signing up as a trans woman, bah!

[@LuzianJ]

LOL.

[@KitschKiss-pi8wp]

You should never have lost your job challenging blatant sexism. that's a disgrace in itself

[@kati141]

Would you really go trough the trouble of changing your gender marker and all of the money that goes to getting new ids and then having all of the issues with constantly having to explain that no you don't have a fake id etc. just to claim that. At least where I'm from that would be the minimum you would have to do to be able to claim that. You should have sued them. Where I'm from there was a similar case with sexisim and you probably would have won it. I think you could still sue tho.

[@ellehann]

You don't have to go through all that. You just have to self-ID.

[@kati141]

@@ellehann I quess it depends on where you are from. Self id would never work in where I'm from.

[@joane24]

I'm a woman and I wouldn't even take female hormones (unless a serious and grounded medical need), because I don't want to mess the natural hormonal balance of my body. I can't even image taking cross-sex hormones. I hope people entangled in this won't will find their healing, not just emotional but also physical.

[@zimzob]

16:25 What's the "honest reason of being transgender" mean? "Gender dysphoria" is just trauma-induced dissociative anxiety, focused on the sexual aspects of the body (and the social ramifications thereof), so it's not clear to me how that works. Is transgender ideation in response to gender dysphoria resulting from sexual abuse "honest", but that arising from social incentives to transfer ones generalized anxiety into sex anxiety is "dishonest?".

[@nataliebutler]

They mean a person who genuinely believes they are/desires to be the opposite sex versus a person who is under no such delusion but sees transition as a pragmatic option with potential benefits. The motivation is very different.

[@yexiliada]

Thank you guys for this interview! Game theory, yes! It explains a lot of human behavior! Not every behavior, even when they seem as complex and emotionally convoluted as those related to gender dysphoria and/or gender transition, is based on deep, personal emotional journeys... sometimes we are being social animals, solving social conflicts or resource-related conflicts or even personal conflicts, using the tools that society presents to us. And transing is another tool now. It was not before, but it is now. In Spain, a group of very masculine men (many are soldiers, police officers and guardias civiles) have formed something called (in Spanish) "Non-normative transgenders", and they identify as women, keep their male names, keep their appearance, and change only their legal sex (which is legal in Spain, where there is a self-id law since 2023), and threaten those who accuse them of doing it fraudulently (for "benefits" or privileges associated with belonging to the LGBTI community, or legal protections afforded to women) of transphobia and hate crimes (the law itself allows this, since questioning a person about their gender identity is considered hateful and can constitute a hate crime if done publicly)... So they're transmaxers...

[@miriamlana833]

The only solution is ending ALL sex/gender based privileges.

[@rebekahcapps6426]

So sad 😢 About 10 years ago my youngest daughter began transitioning at age 15. I couldn’t find any information or get help from anyone who would help me to convince her that she was perfectly perfect the way she was born. Unfortunately she pushed hard and drove out of state eventually to get the hormones and treatments that she desired.

[@aKaMizK]

Great conversation! He's like Milo Yiannopoulos' reasonable brother...

[@1AC01-9-1-min]

He looks like Milo 100%

[@meredithbriski7299]

It’s almost as though their reasons for transitioning are as connected to transhumanism as they are to transsexualism.

[@Gingerblaze]

Sasha and Stella might want to read "Geek Love" by Kathrine Dunn.

[@toshiyaar7885]

So D.E.I may he an incentive? Genuinely curious. Never thought of trans women on sports may be functional. This is very interesting. Xxx

[@zimzob]

37:46 the argument is always framed this way, as individuals rights over their bodies, they'll just do it Anyway, etc. But we do as a society Absolutely have a right to not license physicians who sell fraudulent services to mentally impaired vulnerable people.

[@clarebear764]

Why was he reliant in the NHS? Easy enough to get privately or online unless you're skint

[@meretriciousinsolent]

I wonder whether using the NHS feels more legitimate. If you have to use a shortcut maybe it's less valid, because the NHS wouldn't use precious resources for this... Surely? (I know that's not true - just following a thought path)

[@lilith3953]

Yes. I wondered that too. It really doesn't fit with how giddy Sasha and Stella are about his supposedly lives of the rich and famous life style.

[@bryantaulbee2689]

The common thread emerging is dehumanization.

[@meretriciousinsolent]

I wonder whether it's because of a lack of knowing how to get through things. I flipflop on this a lot but I had the kind of childhood that was riddled with undiagnosed neurodivergence and anxiety (and an early childhood loss of a parent) and my family didn't let me talk about almost any of it. There wasn't anywhere I could take it. There was some bad from that but I also learned how to knock off some of the more exhausting behaviours and thought patterns ... It hasn't been plain sailing, I fucked some stuff up and I can absolutely see points where I was acting and dressing more masculine to survive in situations I was in, but I read things telling people how to reframe their most anxious crippling thoughts and move past them and I'm like, I was doing that in my teens. I had to. This isn't a humble brag, it's recognising a human process.

[@Bozpot]

Unrelated, but I'm confused by his TH-Fronting. He says "fing", "fink", and "fought", but is able to pronounce 'th' in every other word. Why?

[@charlesbrown1365]

A very few

[@aduff5306]

Lovely balanced gentleman. But wow, so many more avenues to why? Scary 😦

[@WonderfulWorldofAwesomeness]

Is it possible that he felt like an “other” because he literally was an other in Japan?

[@lynnebarnes3840]

The pendulum is almost on the back swing.

[@281992pdr]

This 'conflict' between soul/psyche and the body was thought about and described 300+ years ago: A Dialogue between the Soul and the Body SOUL O who shall, from this dungeon, raise A soul enslav’d so many ways? With bolts of bones, that fetter’d stands In feet, and manacled in hands; Here blinded with an eye, and there Deaf with the drumming of an ear; A soul hung up, as ’twere, in chains Of nerves, and arteries, and veins; Tortur’d, besides each other part, In a vain head, and double heart. BODY O who shall me deliver whole From bonds of this tyrannic soul? Which, stretch’d upright, impales me so That mine own precipice I go; And warms and moves this needless frame, (A fever could but do the same) And, wanting where its spite to try, Has made me live to let me die. A body that could never rest, Since this ill spirit it possest. SOUL What magic could me thus confine Within another’s grief to pine? Where whatsoever it complain, I feel, that cannot feel, the pain; And all my care itself employs That to preserve which me destroys; Constrain’d not only to endure Diseases, but, what’s worse, the cure; And ready oft the port to gain, Am shipwreck’d into health again. BODY But physic yet could never reach The maladies thou me dost teach; Whom first the cramp of hope does tear, And then the palsy shakes of fear; The pestilence of love does heat, Or hatred’s hidden ulcer eat; Joy’s cheerful madness does perplex, Or sorrow’s other madness vex; Which knowledge forces me to know, And memory will not forego. What but a soul could have the wit To build me up for sin so fit? So architects do square and hew Green trees that in the forest grew. Andrew Marvell (c.1650)

[@Gingerblaze]

It is the basis of most religions. Cartisian dualism.

[@AndyJarman]

This is transhumanism isn't it? Someone get on the blower to Mary Harrington.

[@xmaseveeve5259]

'The Kray Twins' never existed.

[@lynnebarnes3840]

Ladies, the looks on your faces, 😂😂😂😂😂

[@miriamlana833]

Simple answer to the title question: Yes! In our western society of today women have the same rights as men but less obligations (e.g. no forced war service, to mention the deadliest) and some protective privileges (quotas, special categories, ....). All the benefits for men of the ancient patriarchy are gone, but the hardships of it for men remained.

[@jboushka]

One could force women to register for Selective Service, or even eliminate it altogether.

[@miriamlana833]

@@jboushka yes, but why isn't that already done?

[@Gingerblaze]

Both men and womens opportunities to choose to follow a life path which is most natural to them and to us as human beings (especially around reproduction, childbirth and family) have been made nearly impossible. The big winners are corporations, gov, technology etc. The biggest and most profound losers in this experiment have been, and continue to be children.

[@Gingerblaze]

@@miriamlana833 there is a biological reason for that. Men can produce billions of small gametes with the potential to become a new human life, while women have a limited number of large gametes with this potential and only produce them, for a shorter time period. They are also the ones who biologically grow and sustain human offspring, even after birth. War is literal hell on earth, resulting in the ending of multitudes of human lives. Womens reoroductive role in repopulating the species is why they are valued more in the instance of wars. They are also a liability in combat, again for biological reasons.

[@lilith3953]

spoken like a man who doesn't have a clue about women's lives. And what country do you live in exactly, that has compulsory military service for men but not for women? It wouldn't be France or Israel, because they force both sexes to serve. And it wouldn't be USA, England, Canada, New Zealand or Australia, because they only have voluntary service. And, frankly, as a man, you still have the advantage of earning 20% more then women for doing the same job, the advantage of being promoted over better qualified women because your behavior is interpreted as exemplifying leadership qualities (as opposed to shrillness and not being a team player), the advantages of not being raped or sexually assaulted, the advantage of not having to live your life constantly vigilant of your safety in regards to rape and sexual assault. I could go on, but I'm sure you get the message.

[@jotsandtittles]

You nice ladies are too immersed in the therapy world if you are surprised to hear that people are transitioning for the social and economic benefits.

[@lilith3953]

I'm sorry, but if you were sexually abused as a child, then you didn't have a really good childhood. This is denial.

[@jeantaylor9908]

I'm concerned that the existence of 'gender' actually exists. Also, no one is assigned 'gender' at birth, we are a sex & always have been!!??,

[@Gingerblaze]

"Transmaxxing" for social status isn't a new thing really. Especially in areas where your work is primaily cerebral and not physical in nature. Female authors going by male names.

[@miriamlana833]

When it comes to the own benefit, even TERFs like JKR do this, suddenly not so TERFish anymore....🤣

[@Gingerblaze]

@@miriamlana833 as an avatar or ghost name it may make sense when applying it to the realm of fantasy which written fiction is. Not sure it makes sense to apply it to physical reality.

[@lilith3953]

A lot of misogynistic men in the comments today.

[@miriamlana833]

Don't worry, misandric women are standard on other days.

[@lilith3953]

@@miriamlana833 Yes, you are one of the ones I'm talking about.

[@miriamlana833]

@@lilith3953 lol, TERF rage. You idiots will never win....

[@truthtellingtiki]

No such thing as "misogyny". Women are more protected than non-violent men since non-violent men don't have the luxury of not being jailed with the bad guys. Modern women refuse to be mothers and you want all the good men to serve you. Give a good reason why.

[@qbqbqdbq]

The intersection of NFT grifters and culture war grifters.

[@uncleskipsprairiejustice9367]

NFTs? Oh dear. Not Fair Transaction.

[@snowdroog1]

Is it possible to be an "NFT pioneer" and not be 100% full of shit?

[@dianaking8828]

So the guy who wanted to get into Stem programs which level the field for women in the field, which he couldn’t do as a man so he transitioned to a woman so he could steal a place from a woman. This bothers me. A lot of

[@HarryBuxley]

I think you are missing the point. He said he wanted to get in stem initiatives and there were none for men. That's not leveling the playing field for women to get into stem, that is discriminating against men in favour of women, and so, the guy is being incentivized into transitioning because of this. Nothing to do with stealing a place from a woman.

[@miriamlana833]

It only shows how absurd special support programs only for women are. That is the thing which should bother you. If women want to get into STEM, they shouldn't get privileged access over men. Men also never get privileged access over women to anything.

[@Gingerblaze]

@@miriamlana833 in publishing, women were discriminated against. A version of "transmaxxing" occured there where woman writers submitted their work under male names, to get published.

[@miriamlana833]

@@Gingerblaze really? JKR had a need to publish her transphobic "silence of the lambs"-kinded stuff under the name Robert Galbraight because of discrimination? Btw, isn't it funny that of all the richest TERF of the world does this?

[@dianaking8828]

@@HarryBuxley The only reason there are Stem initiatives in the first place is to assist in overcoming the bias for the selection of men over women in the field. If 5 men and 5 women of equal competence are competing for 4 jobs it ensures that 2 men and 2 women are selected. If a man “transitions” he is competing for 1 of the women’s’ places possibly taking it.

[@charlesbrown1365]

LGBT culture is.

[@siobhannoble8545]

Not a fan of this one. While some good points are made, it seems to boil down to blaming feminism (women) for men's problems - again.

[@miriamlana833]

Feminism in general isn't the problem, only the TERFish kind of feminism which wants "to focus on women and girls" (means having a bunch of privileges only for AFABs) while shaming all people who are focused on men and boys as "evil MRAs" at the same time.

[@magaliroy-fequiere792]

Right! Men need to take responsibility for their actions here.

[@Gingerblaze]

"Corporate" wave of feminisim would be wise to do some reflection.

[@kylemartin2324]

Time stamps? I didn't see that at all.

[@miriamlana833]

@@kylemartin2324 YT hides some comments, also my first here, change to "newest first".