Ep 159 Pastor T part 1 - God or Science? Who or What is Supreme?

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[@justustiego.tiego.365]

Pastor T is something else on these matters, the guy has perfected his craft so well,,, Huyu hakuna mkenya anamuweza, tukubaliane tu yaishe!!!

[@odettendaruzi1365]

After listening to your conversations with Pastor T, I came across this amazing scripture in Hebrews 11: 1- 3. To also add onto the question about creation and God whom we cannot see. Faith helps us understand that we do not understand everything because the visible was made from the invisible 😊

[@wayando]

Atoms are invisible.

[@esirkings4191]

As Yuval said in his book, "The greatest scientific discovery was the discovery of ignorance". Accepting that we don't know something and trying to know about it as compared to just saying 'god' did that is what has brought humanity this far.

[@CJRESOURCEHUBTV]

This one is lit. Pastor Tee is one of the pastor who I follow so much.

[@sharikharib]

" accepting 'I don't know' is the beginning of wisdom "

[@tiamo726]

Word

[@wisdomhuncho]

The level of Wisdom in Pastor T

[@mathewlalantare2939]

I thought Pastor T was just an alarmist but this conversation has changed my perception will look for more of his works.

[@tiamo726]

Most pastor can urgue about their faith like this and still be knowledgeable they soend time collecting faith

[@emmanuelsawe4852]

I loved how he tackled the question of maandamano...

[@nicholasjoseph2822]

Pastor T has amassed alot of knowledge from the Holy Bible & it's also safe to say God has placed upon him alot of wisdom & understanding...l am in the states & l've been listening to alot of interviews & debates Pastor T has been on & believe you me this is a man who's done his homework properly! When l was in Kenya, l was in total darkness about how the world works & spiritual matters but l came to learn so much here & alot of what him & Mr Kimani of life is spiritual ministries say is 💯 true & aligns with scriptures also 💯

[@KanyekiKamawe]

The level of execution this show has in listening to the audience is top tier 🔥

[@passerby6361]

Science is the seen spirituality and spirituality is the unseen science.

[@ARLProductions]

''If A Con Orders You To Go Right, If You Go Left You Still Fell For The Con''

[@davidnduati4784]

Where should you go ... isn't standing still the same

[@ElvisZOmoro]

@@davidnduati4784 why be in a position to take orders from a con?

[@vini_kipz]

Kabisa

[@ea7887]

@@ElvisZOmoro facts. Why are they allowing the con to even issue instructions in the first place.

[@ELFarouk254]

Go crazy😂

[@emmanuelmanani8440]

What a healthy conversation Can’t wait for part two 🎉

[@stevealuoch8717]

One thing;Pastor T argues without being judgmental and manipulative. This is a template of a healthy debate

[@bettylizermugoh3291]

True

[@annegachina8504]

I have so much respect for Mr. Tee and having worked with him before. He always shows up and he is one Christian that knows how to seize opportunities and never being out of his element. @Mwaf,this was bold and as always,you are yourself. Hata sijamaliza,still watching.

[@_martin_oduor_]

Which opportunity did he seize... 🥱🥱🥵🥵🥵🥵😁😁😁

[@allansaretoz9974]

@@_martin_oduor_ peleka shida zako mbali try to dispense some knowledge of what your understanding is, not to ask a silly question

[@_martin_oduor_]

@@allansaretoz9974 sema unadai senye.... Umbwa wewe 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Honest_Man]

Mwafreeka was so fired up today😂😂😂. .. Pastor T is unbelievably knowledgeable

[@Iletyoulive]

The only reason you think he's knowledgeable is because you're not,he was babbling

[@KINGGEORGE007]

@@Iletyoulive we acha matusi,The fact is that the conversation was Mature babbling Manade

[@georgelay5426]

Pastor T is beyond his time. This man doesn’t come to play in matters God Almighty❤

[@lilianongeri2121]

But Mr T is not good in listening he doesn't give mwaafrika time to explain his point....then mr T jumps from one issue to another....

[@kjohns4442]

I came hoping mwafrika would kick out the shiet in this mr.t but was disappointed as fak

[@mrhumphreyndungu2844]

AMEN this Man of God pastor t mwangi we bless the Lord for you.

[@Harryaggy]

The fear of GOD is the beginning of wisdom, big up tee

[@_martin_oduor_]

Image is not reflection... It is projection. I have been looking for this for ages. Wow. Thanks Pastor T.

[@jimkamau7885]

Pastor Tee articulated well about how we are made in the image of the creator, this made me realiseà it is the reason we are able create things, and for the most part through studying the design of things in nature. We have even gone further and are able to read the code the intelligent designer used and are able to reproduce or enhance living things in nature through animal clonning and genetic modifications

[@fredombati1153]

The fact that 67% of earth is not friendly to human was a powerful point.

[@MrSteve-of2hj]

Pastor Mr.T👍👍👍huwa nimetii huyu jamaa sana

[@Ev_Hance]

Reason I like Pastor Mr. T 25:45, he's not discrediting Mwaaf, you look at his face he's got no hard feelings about Mwaaf challenging him & he's willing to be challenged, very mature & healthy debate 👏

[@IkoNini]

Yeah. He was very cool, calm and collected. He understands his faith and can defend it eloquently

[@DonKhalifah]

A Noble guy! He is not emotional coz he is knowledgeable. When you don't have facts or have limited opinion, that's when "kwenda huko buana" comes in.

[@Ev_Hance]

@@DonKhalifah sure 👍🏼

[@impruvdkienyej]

I love how mwaf politely disagrees with his interviewees... Skiiiil!

[@chrispuskiarie2107]

Shrewd

[@_martin_oduor_]

​@@chrispuskiarie2107shrewd ni wewe😂😂😂😂😂rusungu lazima

[@chrispuskiarie2107]

@@_martin_oduor_ haha valedictorian wa Stach yule, always understands the assignment.

[@simonmark4719]

Science is just but an exploration of what the designer made; this is a fact most people know but tend to deny👌

[@alphonseotieno927]

I like the way Pastor T explains the Existence of God without bible context. my understanding of GOD is i know he Exist but He is of no Religion.

[@nicholastoo7543]

They way you've said it, it's like you having children and not give them any rules. If you have to summarize what God desires from man, it's the 10 commandments. You need to set rules for your children.

[@alphonseotieno927]

@@nicholastoo7543 Now that's human thinking that's brought about by religion which paved the way for colonization and Slavery .

[@ellyjuma2747]

Pastor T hukuaga na depth when it comes to candid conversations, never a dull moment listening to him

[@winniekawira1752]

I followed Pastor T to your channel, I loved the discussion so much, as a born again Christian knowing that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ died for our sins, I appreciate knowing how the other side thinks 🤔

[@robertdavid1314]

I wish I could give this channel a double subscription 💯💯🔥

[@kelgk2086]

The host is respectfully open minded and intelligent.. the oxygen part hapana! Pastor T shared some good thoughts however most of his rationale was extremely ‘young’. I would like to be part of this debate!

[@JuneJulyA.]

You guys, part two. This Mwaf should discuss human spirituality. Because we are spiritual beings so tafsiri hayo. This guy is really very smart. If you travel you will realise that we are successful and wealthy in our own way

[@mukonokanae2855]

God is your consciousness in you. You are god. Stop looking outward searching for answers.

[@emmanuelkweyu4699]

"Man wants to convince himself that there is no God because he is afraid of accountability." Noma sana

[@MAJIK_FINGAZ]

All it takes its proof and we all accept the existence of that deity

[@Dannjiraini]

Just table the proof

[@wayando]

People who believe in god actually don't have accountability .... everything is a lie from the devil. Accept and own your actions because they originated from you. And accept the consequences. Don't blame the bad on the devil, or credit the good on gods.

[@kuchioasonga7158]

Mr T is okay at apologetics but better than most preachers.

[@stevenngure]

T has so much wisdom

[@nathanielneshiez2570]

For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.

[@andrewgichiru319]

You can't defend yourself with the same tool which is the point of argument -bible

[@IkoNini]

It’s a compromise that had to reached though

[@Ochicho_Nyase]

Pastor is a good debater, persuasive, articulate and makes compelling point. Oftentimes sadly, this prowess is conflated as truth.

[@Djmarleytron]

I'm not religious but this Pastor T is a good debater. That notwithstanding, he still cannot prove with certainty that God exists. He bases his arguments on assumptions.

[@kingkunta007]

Nmewatch every interview and podcast zote za Mr.T now Pastor T. Huyu mwanaume ako kwa kitu inaitwa "Kingdom Assignment " ole wenu ambao hamtaskiza!

[@osagyefo4305]

35:00 It is true. The area around Naivasha had a big lake. Probably a combination of L. Nakuru, L Elemantaita and L. Naivasha.

[@erickisoi2033]

Mature discussion..for the 1st time nikaona Mr.T akiwa challenged on the wits..he is smart though big up Mwaf pia

[@sarahmbugua2414]

Weeeuhhhh hii episode ni moto, can't wait for part 2. Pastor T always prepared, Mwaf umeweza pia . This discussion is moto than the one Mr. T did with the Atheists on NTV.....

[@katelairene6915]

Wow! Heated discussion. Philosophy and Theology well blended. Keep up!

[@dashpetzone108]

My pastor 🙌 🙏

[@philipndungu9847]

You are all making brilliant points guys kudos,,, but from the look of things the debate is in dope... Though mnakubaliana wote... A good example of faith is "see you tomorrow" you can't prove seeing the other person tomorrow like you say, considering the weather, age, peace around the area, i am sure i will see the other person kesho... But you don't need faith to prove there is hydrogen and oxygen molecules in water because you can test and see even the bonds that hold the molecules together...

[@drillmaster142]

Been waiting for this... Thanks Iko nini. And we should appreciate the fact that mwaf is talented

[@jimraymond404]

Pastor T knows his stuff.

[@iamrwaga5860]

Having being a follower of the podcast since episode 1, all I can say Mwaff you've really stepped up your game big up keep doing your thing, for me unajijenga na content singepata anywhere else, iko nini !!!

[@tyrusingati]

Wow!!! That's an educative and informative iko nini podcast so far. Have listened to all but this....waaa!!! Tops. Thanks to pastor T.

[@bonafidechamp5247]

This has made me even steer further away from religion because some of Mwaf's examples were factual, based on science, but Mr. T was still convinced it's based on faith.

[@djvybzilla]

the fear of God is the beginning of all wisdom

[@maggienyoks6273]

@@djvybzilla can you prove there is God?

[@djvybzilla]

@@maggienyoks6273 can u prove that u have a brain?

[@morrismo8212]

@@maggienyoks6273 nobody can prove there is God for you, except yourself.

[@esthermuriuki3126]

@@morrismo8212 damn you said it right and deep

[@josephNdichu879]

Nice conversation.mwaff was well prepared, ua doubts and arguments are making sense and Mr t tackled them so well.

[@iankamandew9777]

Walai mwaf thanks for tthis one! This gon be epic

[@passerby6361]

Religion is man made,it's main purpose was to bring one to spirituality(life),but it failed,it's corrupt,I'm not against it nor for it.

[@davidmbichire5777]

And I officially become a subscriber. Hii ndo inabamba

[@tiberiusmaiko743]

Pastor T's all round knowledge is on another level

[@wycliffepoet5201]

Leta Swee Nyar Kano

[@vinecraft5085]

With science there was always the K constant. Science cannot incorporate all the variables that are present in real life. Faith is crucial. If the car you are observing start factoring wear and tear, terrain, slopes etc

[@irene_peacewambui6987]

Pastor T. Is amazing in articulating the role of science. As a Christian, the curse of humanity is knowledge . And we spend time seeking it out and call it different names. Some science, some naturalists, and others atheist but all fail to answer the source, and that is the God Almighty creator of the universe. From him, in him, through him! Mwafreeka, I love that you took the time to research and have a belief founded on scientific facts and its said, a man in search of knowledge drunk the first gulp and found atheism but when he was done at the bottom, He found God. I pray that you find truth and life. Cheers 🥂 This was beautiful 😍

[@emmanuelyambo4143]

Wise words!!!!

[@georgekimani1245]

Pastor T .. teacher of our generation

[@peddykounda9778]

Mwaf hapa umegonga ndipo.Facts are facts.

[@nathanielneshiez2570]

A generation is going, and a generation is coming, But the earth remains forever.

[@mwalilitv]

According to me, Mwafreeka raised a lot of critical topics that Pastor T could not answer, in fact he was so smart to avoid them. Pastor T has not convinced me yet on matters religion over science (though some of his points were making sense kiasi) In this one I'm going with Mwafreeka, most of his arguments were making a lot of sense compare to Pastor.

[@IkoNini]

😬😬

[@olefben]

This topic was so hot that it could not allow a third guy. Respect for both of you. I think we as christians need to be more liberal and open to reading and going deeper

[@esthergithogori2930]

That’s very true.

[@marionekadeiza5659]

@@esthergithogori2930 l

[@karugumureithi3988]

Mwafreeka, you are really knowledgeable on nature. I loved it.

[@3rdworldwonder585]

Team Pastor T, mko ama hamupo??? !!!!

[@nellymuthamia834]

Hapa napo Pastor Twas right in the money big up Mwafrika fo this healthy debate that's why I got saved coz with Christ comes with a lot of wisdom and above all love

[@tomthomas6908]

This is too deep guys...my small mind really struggled to keep up with this conversation 😥😥

[@clementmutie3202]

Pastor T has quite a deep understanding.

[@techfreelancer4561]

the level of intelligence waah big up mwaff..

[@wisdomhuncho]

I appreciate how respectfully Mwaf disagrees with his interviewees.

[@Toeneezz]

Was waiting for this one patiently,thank you mwaf ......iko nene........conversation moja safi sanaa💪💪💪🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@amanijeremy]

I can tell that as much as Mwafreeka doesn't believe in the existence of God, he is still searching for truth which comes from God. Forget about having to host Pastor T just because people requested. He is on the quest for truth and I pray that God will shine His light on him

[@IkoNini]

He is NOT. Been an atheist for more than half my life. I’m good living a superstition free life

[@brianbett42]

Ay, wisdom is profitable. A very informative discussion. Kudos to Pastor 🔥💥

[@BrightKenya]

What a candid and eye opening conversation 💯🙌🏽

[@africatodayke]

ni kitambo kusikiza god debates. this one is nicer because the host actually listens and is respectful- huge skill.

[@karugiNjiru]

Absolutely 💯 refreshing conversations to listen in!

[@kendido7366]

One of the interesting conversation. I love it cause it's health. Tryna learn.

[@mwewemusicinternational3296]

Mr.T always informative and real with the truth. Keep going iko nini

[@vincentmuema18]

wooow what a health discussion bring Pastor T more on this show and speak on ore topics

[@joanomollo9152]

Religion is not banned in China. Preaching to change someone's beliefs is what is banned. There are Chinese Christians and many Chinese Muslims. Actually there is a whole tribe( people from Xinjiang) who are Muslims. Not banned at all, not just famous, you believe what you want to believe without anyone trying to preach to you telling you how what they believe is better

[@kenwebale5228]

Theorem vs theory -> theorem are proved theory not proved Pythagoras is a theorem overall very respective conversation i don't think it will change anyone's perspective but it is informative

[@djvybzilla]

mwaf anatetea kiyu haelewi...

[@Sundeita888]

Congrats on fifty thousand subscribers Mwaf👏👏👏

[@_martin_oduor_]

And now I ask like the Pharisees.... From whose Authority does Mr. T SPEAK??? THE WISDOM IS ON 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@IkoNini]

His faith

[@wilfredogake8597]

Mr lambat since Vioja 🔥🔥🔥💯 kbc .. always creative....the greatest Podcast Ever 🔥🔥🔥💪💪

[@jesseludenyo6436]

WHAAAAAT!!! PASTOR T. Shukran sana iko nene🙏🙏🙏

[@evangelinewambui7035]

The calmness in this conversation wuui. Listening to the end

[@morganinyanza8282]

What i was waiting eagerly for,, ilove iko nini 😎

[@micheokari]

I have always loved the thinking of Pastor T. educative, interesting and mature conversation that has been. bring more of such guys mwaff, not necessarily pastors or such but watu wanachangamsha bongo

[@Daviekyle]

Show we've all been waiting for🔥🔥

[@charity4908]

12. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. Revelation 11:12

[@emmanuelkweyu4699]

Pastor T. You got to give it up to him. Jamaa ako na knowledge.

[@bigdawg1899]

GOD HAS NO RELIGION FULLSTOP BUT HE IS A SCIENTIST

[@bonnienjoroge1304]

Thank you for uploading this. iko nini...

[@wilfredogake8597]

Iko nene🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💪 very educative... Greatest mind on Earth... Geniuses ...U are always educative ...Mwaf since hiphop hot 96 ikianza🔥🔥🔥

[@wilfredogake8597]

Mr lambat since Vioja 🔥🔥🔥🔥 keep the fire burning...iko neneee

[@SirVickTV]

The long awaited Interview💥🔥

[@jefrokatai5418]

Just started seeing. Looking forward to see how the convo goes.

[@listener0019]

The best thing is that Mwaf did his research, most of the others come without having their research. It was an equally balanced debate. Pastor T na yeye huwa mzito vi ajab.

[@Meditation_prezident]

Pastor T btw gode huwa fine sana in everything physically mentally emotionally & spiritually

[@IkoNini]

😂

[@KihahuMacharia]

What a debate I like how Mwaf listens attentively you would not think he is the same person throwing Religion memes Facebook 😀😀😀....that being said I am more confused now hehe

[@christinegithinji6328]

I love such deep mature conversations. Everyone with their good explanations something many forums lack.👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾