EP 375: Joann's Haberdashery and Ghost Logic

It's episode 375 and we've got a choose your own adventure of reasons to drink this week. Today Em brings us the holy grail of haunted houses, the Merchant's House in Manhattan. Then Christine takes us to Utah and into the world of mommy vloggers to kick off her two-parter on Ruby Franke/8 Passengers. Tune in next week and we'll hopefully have all our teeth and no creepy garden statues... and that's why we drink!
Can you believe we wrote a second book!? AND that you can already pre-order it?? Go to bit.ly/HRANextStop to pre-order your copy today!

[@EssiMoisio]

Hi Christine! The small statue is probably Joseph (the father of Jesus). I've read that some people bury one in their yard. It's supposed to help them sell the house.

[@shugarxspice]

My family did that when I was a child. Right next to my childhood hampster who died. I apologize to whomever may have found that and thought we made a sacrifice

[@JessU892]

My mom did this to try to sell our house in the 90s and again in the 2000s 😅

[@L33W1NT3R5]

We didn't do this when my grandparents passed and we had to sell their house. It took forever to sell it, and my grandmother was very catholic. I kind of wish we had done this ❤

[@pastel_fugu]

I was gonna say it looks like a Catholic ward for the house.

[@ethnomuse23]

Yup that's it, it comes from an Italian tradition afaik from my family history

[@indiegogurt]

Thanks to Em, I have my own apothecary now as well. It’s just my desk and a secondary apothecary in the kitchen that is an m&ms box from costco. It has helped immensely with my adhd.

[@funeralgirl]

i just know Joann Fabrics wouldnt be going bankrupt if they had called it Joann’s Haberdashery

[@skyjust828]

😭🤣😭 in the 70's I HAD to make my clothes (paid for my mostly babysitting money) I couldn't afford Joanna's even then ❣️ I would only go there if I wanted a special lace or something other fabric stores didn't have.😮

[@kyleamullican269]

I would also like to add that both the man and his wife were home when that poor boy showed up on their doorstep, and while he called 911, his wife brought the boy food and a drink and had him eat while kneeling in front of him just nurturing the hell out of him. That couple was sent from the universe.

[@crowdedcrow3098]

When Christine was talking about the man and how he responded to the boy asking for help, I kept saying out loud, "give him some food, please give him food and water!" over and over. Thank you for sharing this, it makes me feel a little better. The wife, what a beautiful soul!! It's exactly how I'd respond if a child showed up on my doorstep.

[@MrApollonhya]

The Statue 🗿 buried is a thing old school Catholics do. It's to sell or when you buy a home. It's a blessing/charm.

[@klancaster2014]

Hi! Please continue to add clips and photos of the show into the KZbin video including for Christine’s story! It’s makes it easier to follow instead of going and looking things up. Sincerely a lazy person 😂

[@Jereshification]

Christine starts off eating a chocolate orange and now I want a chocolate orange…but it’s 3am!!! Ugh! Ps: I paused the episode and immediately went to Amazon to buy book two.

[@ATWWDPodcast]

Hope you got yourself a chocolate orange too!

[@crowdedcrow3098]

Do you like the milk or dark chocolate oranges? For me, the milk chocolate O's are out of this world! Starbucks used to have a Valencia orange mocha that I ordered every time I went - I'd get a venti iced. They discontinued it, unfortunately, but it reminded me of a milk choc orange. I live way out in the sticks now, the nearest Starbucks is hours away (plus I can't stand the dude who founded Starbucks and their union busting b.s.) so I haven't been to one in years. In any case, I hope you're able to satisfy your choc orange craving, stat!! P.S. You know what else is sublime? Well-made chocolate malt balls. Not whoppers, they're too small and the chocolate is waxy and subpar. I buy a certain kind, made and sold in smaller batches and they melt in your mouth. So damn good!! One last thing, I just noticed your handle. Is your first name Jerri or Jeresh? Just curious, mine is the former.

[@Jereshification]

@@crowdedcrow3098 I prefer the milk chocolate ones, but I’m okay with dark chocolate also. I’m currently looking into the closest place to get a chocolate orange. I don’t want to risk getting one off of Amazon and have it melt since the weather will be a bit warm near me this week. There’s a bit of a back story to my handle. Back in the days when we had to go to Blockbuster to get a disc to load AOL, I did that and had to come up with a name for email. I was reading a book called The History of Hell and Ereshkigal was the Sumerian goddess of the underworld. Well, someone already had that name so AOL suggested I put a J in front of it since my first name is Jessi. And I’ve been Jereshkigal online ever since. I use that name for everything. Over on Beach Too Sandy, Christine and Xandy just refer to me as Jer since that’s what Xandy was calling me over in his Hogpen on Twitch.

[@Jereshification]

@@crowdedcrow3098I prefer milk chocolate, but I’m okay with dark chocolate also. I got my handle from the early days of the internet when we had to go to the store, get a disc, and set up an AOL account. I was reading a book at the time that mentioned the Sumerian goddess of the underworld, Ereshkigal. I tried using that but someone else had it so AOL suggested I put a J in front since my name is Jessi. Over on Beach Too Sandy, they shorten it to Jer since that’s what Xandy started calling me in the early days of his Twitch stream Hedgehog days.

[@melanieharvey8445]

It's 02: 20 am here in GB and I have just arrived home from my job as a Mental health support worker. I typically cannot go to bed for a few hours after I finish work, so am super greatful and excited to watch this episode! You guys are MY guardian angels! ❤

[@jaybird7915]

My last name has Bury in it, and that was so funny when you’re like.. bury.. like a body..! all the time people accidentally say it berry so I’ll have to steal that when I correct them 😂😂❤

[@kimbjackson]

When my daughter was Leonas age, her favorite book was Hush Now Banshee from the same series!

[@ryanv1145]

Woo usually I don't get these until like 2- 3 am but I'm on the west coast rn so it's an early treat for me! 😁😍✌️

[@erinntaft1282]

Relistening while I do chores and the ghosts in Ems story are so crazy!! Even 2nd time around! Love you both! ❤

[@sdesireeanne]

yay! can't wait for the new book, order placed :D

[@nickylee4951]

Pre-order the Next Stop! I loved your first book. Love your Live in Indianapolis I attend. Thank you both for all your hard work and laughs.

[@raine2502]

Christine I have an episode suggestion for you! The Soder Children! You know how everyone has that one unsolved case that they want to have answers to, this is mine. It’s stuck with me forever and would love to see you cover it!!

[@hatusnee]

You guys are so close to 400 episodes!! Crazy!

[@jaybird7915]

Also, Christine, I just want to point out that if you want to cover some true crime that doesn’t directly involve murder that is also cool! I thought the one were the brothers were selling pain pills was really interesting. Or maybe you could cover some thing that’s part murder part paranormal. Sometimes it makes me sad that you get all the stories that are less fun and more sad. But you guys should do whatever you want. I love your podcast so much. ❤❤❤

[@crowdedcrow3098]

Good point. True crime can involve so many issues other than murder. People commit all sorts of crimes, some get caught and are held accountable and some are not. Branching out could make it more interesting for Christine, I'm sure covering terrible murders might get old, after years of podcasting.

[@easyteh4getperson]

you might need a part 3 for the ruby franke case because there's just sooo much with the mormon church

[@misschiflyer9779]

Preordered and thanks for writing a second one 👏🏻

[@ApothicMage]

My sister and I saw you both in VT for your tour, it was amazing! Glad you all are safe, that snow storm was crazy that night!

[@mandibeauty9750]

1:46:35 Christine’s story starts

[@dear.fern.55]

Looks like a St. Francis of Assisi. I have one in my garden but it's much bigger. I like to think his spirit is blessing and watching over my garden and it's friends. I am not catholic at all. But the dude seems cool.

[@Lizardldy]

Xtine needs to do OJ for the milinials and gen z to understand why his death is a thing this week.

[@Feral611]

Em’s “on a bad day I’ll wish you did” to Christine’s “I nearly killed both hosts of this show and the producer” cracked me up 😂 Glad you’re all safe so this is a laughing matter

[@gwynythsears5097]

Yay! I’m never up this late. So excited to hear this episode!

[@Marsjars9420]

I’m so early omgggg I love you guys ❤💕🩷 currently building my bedframe, so I needed this

[@graciewolff]

Kitty litter for tire traction in the snow 💖

[@emgermain]

Loved seeing you guys in VT sooo sorry you had to deal with the snow storm but you got an authentic vt experience

[@samanthawiegman311]

Christine!! omg i also followed 8 passengers drama for years and felt like i was just waiting for everything to explode

[@Jring-goofy]

Pre-ordered the other day, can not wait! 😁

[@DarkGoddessMoonWitchTarot]

I love you both so much 💜💜💜

[@christimiller1511]

Pre-order, ordered! Can’t wait!

[@skyjust828]

When my niece became a Mom she refused to put even a picture on Facebook, when the child was 2 1/2 she showed the back of her hear with lil' pigtails on Christmas morning. Ive finally seen pictures of her first day of school (along with her little brother) she still has 1 who's only 3 i can hardly wai for next year when she goes to school 😂❤

[@mikaelaestelle6450]

omg I’ve been waiting so patiently for the 8passengers story

[@indiegogurt]

Christine is a pro medium now, and now I’m curious about which psychic classes she’s taking

[@blondbeenpole]

Same! I've been checking comments to see if she mentions it anywhere but nothing

[@casdeanwinchester483]

Well this was my favourite ghost story with Em . And I will later on finnish Christines True crime Story .

[@cspratt]

I grew up with an abusive narcissistic mother, I can't watch family channels, I wouldn't say they trigger me, but it makes my skin crawl and stomach churn, I can only handle the commentary videos that just show clips. The first time I watched the Duggars, when they had their first show in TLC, I saw parallels between Michelle and my mother, and I was in middle school.

[@crowdedcrow3098]

I imagine watcing channels that feature similar types of abuse that you suffered would be uncomfortable, even painful. I can see why you avoid that sort of content, why put yourself back in that world and bring up so many difficult feelings. I'm sorry you went through that, you deserved much better and I hope you've found a partner and/or group of people who give you the love and support you should've had all along!🫂💗💞

[@cspratt]

@@crowdedcrow3098 My husband is incredible, we knew each other for just a couple of months when he let me move in with him when I was kicked out of the house. We've been together for almost 15 years and he knows what I've been through. With time and distance things I've started healing. I won't be able to heal my relationship with her, she died of COVID, but I can with my younger sister. I'm not comfortable with therapy, she convinced the psychiatrists to put on bipolar medication, I'm not bipolar, just PTSD and anxiety, I was almost put on Lithium which could have done long term damage, but was on Wellbutrin instead, still not right for what I have. Now, it's just a lot of meditation, and puppy therapy, my dogs get lots of hugs.

[@Vaiiyaa]

I've offered my services as a psychic and I've worked with several psychics and we all agree with the theory that light, electricity and waves/signals make it harder for spirits to communicate. Like it takes more energy. That's why there's more activity in the dark and at night compared to during the day. Less electricity, light, and like phone/wifi signals. Might also explain the draining of the phone. Only some spirits are strong enough for the electronic spirit communication devices and why it's sometimes not clear if that makes sense?

[@stephaniehoyle9910]

I am so inclined (to pre-order).

[@sierrasabin3415]

I drink because Christine’s eyebrows are on fleek this episode. And because I got my first promotion in my new career this week!

[@corpses6662]

i rannnnnn to pre order that book!!!!

[@carolejackson9593]

Your NEXT book should be all about your road trip experiences! Anybody that tours has stories that anybody who doesn't tour wouldn't believe could happen! Share please!

[@cspratt]

I do the same thing as Christine, I just watch the KZbin channels that talk about the drama on KZbin and reality shows.

[@allyramos9071]

Already pre-ordered ❤

[@kimberly.aerial]

My pet bird chewed up my Haunted Road Atlas so I may need to re-order that one in addition to the new book 😅

[@crowdedcrow3098]

Awww... what kind of bird? I had three budgies, I lost my last bird about three months ago. Well, I didn't lose her, she died. I miss them so much, I've been watching tons of bird videos, they're comforting and make me laugh. My birds weren't big chewers, I made them lots of crafty toys, hoping to encourage their chewing and foraging so they could enjoy themselves, but they never really took to them. Birds are such characters. Now I just have the flock of wild turkeys that run around my yard.

[@teddytaylor1436]

Just bought my copy of your new book!

[@heathergattis5076]

The statue is a Saint Joseph statue. You can get rid of it, it isn’t harmful. When you are trying to sell your house, you bury it in your front yard to help attract buyers and have an easy sale. I forgot to collect mine after I sold my old house too.

[@graciewolff]

I’m taking a shot every time you say Vlog or Blog. I can’t feel my fingers anymore. I smell colors

[@BelleSmith-hd7vk]

Plot twist, Ken never existed. It was Third Man Syndrome.

[@christimiller1511]

😂

[@Teajay21]

For anyone who wants a deep dive into the Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt case, including interviews with Jodi's past victims and a lot of Mormon spirituality context I highly recommend Jordan and Mckay and Mormon stories KZbin channels. It really contextualizes a lot to know where their beliefs come from and how this isn't a one-off.

[@skyjust828]

2:20:00 not forgetting her lunch at home , she didnt MAKE her lunch 😮 at 6 yrs old !?? The oldest sister would do her own hair then do the next younger hair while she did the youngest hair. I imagine the older 2 usually made the youngest lunch. 😢

[@EFA512]

Oh my god, that video of that little boy asking for help broke my heart. I'm so glad they're away from her. Totally unrelated...thanks to Em, I'm addicted to Tony's Chocolony hazelnut bars. 😋🤣

[@kyndrakeyton4186]

my goal is to have my daughter scream "I want goats" at the petting zoo lol Hazy Dell Press books are the best!!

[@liveyourlife510]

I'm going to need a direct link to the "in the spirit of science" KZbin, because I searched it and didn't find it

[@skyjust828]

2:12:02 Ruby also cut the little girl (who they found in the house) she cut her favorite stuffed animals head off with scissors to make the girl quit cutting "mommy's" things😭

[@nanivanti5148]

1:35:00 Zak Bagelbites 😂

[@mandycarlile2361]

You guys should do a show in Oklahoma. Eva write that down..

[@ravenfae420]

OMG! If you were stuck in New Hampshire, you should have HMU! Also, I have a wild tow truck story too, but that's for another day!

[@skyjust828]

These children didnt realize this wasn't normal until the oldest went to college 😢 2:12:41

[@desireecowling167]

1:20:07 sitting on the couch..😂😅

[@capricorner]

IVE HAD A HABERDASHERY THIS WHOLE TIME??

[@skyjust828]

A habadashary is expensive menswear, ties gloves, capes, suits socks ect.

[@Intrinsic.creations]

Mmm I didn’t realize how triggering Christine’s story would be; that case about the mommy vlogger sounds like a traditionally covert malignant narcissist. As someone who was raised around that type of person, it is extremely damaging as an adult attempting gauge everyone’s emotions and how you’re “supposed” to act. Anyway, I had to stop listening but Christine, you told it very well and I always appreciate how empathetic you and Em are to this horrid stories. Keep doing great work 💚

[@bbalphaa]

how does one find these psychic classes Christine is taking?👀

[@staceycarrillo5157]

Hi Christine can you do the story about cropsey

[@Jring-goofy]

I would have anonymously called in a fire, so they had reason to go into the house and get the 4 kids.

[@hayleecakes0mfg]

This is so fucking weird, I SWEAR I have listened to you two talk about the Shane Dawson drama before, WORD FOR WORD as it happened here. 🤯

[@HannahZeleznick]

I can’t find the KZbin channel “in the spirit of science” 😢

[@jeno7769]

Uuuuuggghhh i absolutely hate the evp.

[@waithatscrazy]

CHRISTINE. i need you to stop and read this. i have never, and i mean n e v e r r r r stopped a podcast SO QUICKLY - to type out, that i need, a necessity actually, you to have a spinoff podcast summing up KZbin drama. i need that. that’s all. good day❤.

[@clairehiveley9517]

Ken was your third man

[@amazalazaling1431]

Watch “Do we know them?” Podcast for good KZbin drama Christine yikes

[@STROGOPOVERLJIVO]

Your podcast inspired me to start my own podcast and now I'm moments away from turning the monetization ON and live my dreams 😭 thank you for existing 🫶🏼

[@crowdedcrow3098]

What's your podcast about, and what's the name of it? I'll check it out! Maybe you could also set up a Patreon so people can support your work...

[@STROGOPOVERLJIVO]

@@crowdedcrow3098 It's a true crime podcast but it's in my native language, however thank you so much! 🫶🏼😭