EP 4. BSA R12 CLX. Airgun review and range test out to 100m.

EP 4.
BSA R12 CLX, Airgun review and range test out to 100m!!!
how will it compare to the UKs other favourite guns?

[@AsbestosAssessment]

Another great review very honest and I'm in total agreement with you on the R12, looks good but thats where it stops. Many have been returned for repair. I'm a big HW100 fan, although its never changed I think it deserves Grandfather Rights as an all time classic.

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

Haha yes, spot on mate! Thanks for the comment, it really helps the channels visibility! Please remember to subscribe if you havnt already. Thanks again!!

[@marksaunders9292]

I had an R12 . First shot was always way off . I identified this as a magazine alignment issue on the first shot . After numerous problems . Leaks and a recall . I handed it back . I’m now the proud owner of a BRK Ghost . Unbelievable piece of engineering.

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

Yep, you definitely did the right thing there mate. Great guns.

[@-DJ234]

I love the testing of these sub-12 rifles even tho I'm in the U.S. shooting 40 ft.lbs.+ rifles. It really shows that high power is not needed for decent accuracy at range.

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

It is surprising! And because your average airgunner in the UK is shooting sub12, our guns have been developed with the brilliant accuracy to dispatch at short range. Thanks for the comment, please keep watching!!

[@-DJ234]

@@Airgunmarksmanofficial I'll definitely continue to watch. I've been subscribed since your third video. Take care sir.

[@gordonlee3312]

Think about it a 12 ft lb air rifle should not be shoot over 50 meters that's more than enough range especially if you are shooting vermin otherwise many injured animals

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@gordonlee3312 look at our other videos. There are much better, more consistent and accurate guns at sub 12.

[@geetee7154]

A great honest review, you have a new subscriber 😀👍

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

Thanks a lot mate. Happy shooting!!

[@ianyanto123]

These reviews and the edited overlays literally make lol. Brilliant lads!! 😂

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

Thanks a lot mate........ we are trying to make some informational programmes with a bit of humour thrown in! The UK airgun scene is so old and boring, we are just trying to liven it up a little. Thanks for the comment. Keep watching!!!

[@igriffiths763]

Top gear style leader board on this series is exactly whats needed when eval pcps. Gives good reference point. Not sure if youd do it/ done it but maybe a few mins on the engineering of internals, maybe a stats page near beginning so we know what where in for?

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@igriffiths763 we are going to do the standard top 20 guns, then look at why the top is the top, and why the bottom isn't! Thanks for your input buddy, all ideas welcome!

[@igriffiths763]

@@Airgunmarksmanofficial great stuff mate looking forward to it. Just got a vixen- hope it stays by the top 👍

[@igriffiths763]

Also mate be really good to see leader board for scopes. Not a great deal that depicts the differences, especially nv/thermal.

[@kurtthomas4746]

Hi, I am relatively new to air gunning, but can you really expect a sub 12 rifle to group very well past 50m, especially as breezy as it was there today. Nice range setup you have there. Keep up the good work.

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

Watch our other videos mate, this is the 4th in the series..... there are much better. We can get a 1" group at 75m with an AGT on a breezy day. But they are a modern gun.... the british airgun companies havnt been developing their guns for the past 20 years, they've been slightly changing the stocks and been calling them LTD editions...... Sitting on their laurels like this has enabled the rest of the world to innovate, invent and take over the whole airgun game... British airguns are now sadly seen as archaic, boring and inconsistent when compared to guns of similar value made in other parts of the world. Thanks for your comment.

[@kurtthomas4746]

@@Airgunmarksmanofficial Hi , thanks for the reply, and I will certainly watch your other videos, and look forward to seeing you you gun racking turn out.

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@kurtthomas4746 thanks for watching mate!!! Happy shooting!!!

[@redauwg911]

good honest review👍

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@redauwg911 thanks buddy. Tried not to go on too much....

[@CarlMitchell-oy3ly]

Hi, another great review thanks. It would be nice to see the FPS and or ft/lb on the card. I know power isn’t everything but at 75m a 30 FPS is a big advantage and it would be interesting once you have 20 guns on the board the FPS is on the top 5. it would be interesting to know if the gun being tested is out of the box standard or recently been serviced 😊 thanks again for your time. Kindest regards

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@CarlMitchell-oy3ly Hello mate, all guns used are under a year old and totally standard. We also use them for a few days, making sure they shoot up to standard. The R12 was less than a month old. The difference in fps consistency can be seen by the shots dropping low or gaining height on the target (at longer range) We shoot the guns for a few days to get used to them and find out how they shoot, to make sure our testing is an accurate representation on how the gun truly performs. Once we get the top 20 done, we will look at the ones at the top of the board in more detail to get a clear 'winner'. Thanks for your input mate, keep watching!!!

[@johnfiore9390]

Great review.. i have an r12. I find it really good. I do pest control and never had a problem upto 60 yards.... After you done your review. You should do one on budget pcps under 400 pounds... just to compare to the review your doing now. And for people that only can afford budget guns. Just a thought

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

Thanks for the comment buddy! Yes, that is the plan...... We have a few cheapo guns that'll shoot as well as some of the more expensive options. Thanks!!!

[@johnfiore9390]

@@Airgunmarksmanofficial I can't see any cheapo guns on your channel

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@johnfiore9390 we are looking at the guns which people consider 'the best'. We will be doing a series on budget guns later.

[@3421958]

Im lovin your videos. Let's see the FX DRS!

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

Cheers mate, we were supposed to get the DRS last week, and it never turned up.... so We are hoping for it this week.

[@PSpringett]

Hi phil ,great reviews ,fun to watch ,but still couldn't afford any of them ,so watch and dream, keep up the great reviews, also i have big hands ,will this help my shooting as good as you 😂😂

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@user-tn2gw8ou1r haha..... my shovels seem a bit of a hindrance while shooting mate, but good for scratching my arse 😀hahaha...... Keep watching mate, when we get a bit more traction and more eyeballs on us we hope to be able to do some rifle giveaways! Also, there's plenty of companies out there doing payment plans on guns now, so it helps us regular fellas out to spread the cost a bit. Thanks for the comment mate!!

[@PSpringett]

Keep up the good work and fun ,we all could need some😊😊

[@hawkslayers1]

Hi Phil I'm half tempted to let you try my gun I honestly think there's no more accurate gun out there and that include a airarms ev2 I sold to a friend that came 3rd in the world championship some years ago ,it's a redwolf midnight in .177 never had a single flyer and im sure the std/dev is 0.2 for a full magazine I took it to a tuner to check it out as my chronograph was working correctly and he was shocking by how consistent it was and said there's no way even with the daystate machine he could improve on how it came from the factory and it shoots qys,jsb,airarms pellets with spot on accuracy out to 65 yards.

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@hawkslayers1 I would love to mate. We were talking about putting forward the question to our viewers, and see if we can find our followers' most accurate gun! Sounds like it could be a winner

[@mjsmith8741]

I thought QY pellets were good for 25/30 metres then were no better than a shotgun at longer ranges. BSA barrels tend to prefer Goldstar pellets,, as always pellet testing is key

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@mjsmith8741 bsa pellets are notoriously iffy. As always we shoot the guns for a few days prior to turning the camera on, and we pellet test. Being a good range, we stock a large variety of pellets, and being an avid airgunner I have a large array of weird and wonderful pellets to try as well as the run of the mill good quality ones. We don't just test a pellet, we also try it in every size it's available in. As usual, a good pellet can't fix an unreliable regulator.

[@TheRealWindlePoons]

I have struggled to find pellets which work well in my .177" BSA Defiant. I have found QYS and BSA pellets are only "OK": current favourites are H&N Barracuda 4.50mm / 10.65gn and for paper-punching RWS Meisterkugeln 4.50mm / 8.2gn. Frustratingly, the pellets which work best in my Air Arms rifles do not do well in my BSA and vice-versa. As with anything to do with matching pellets to barrels, your mileage may vary. 😀

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@mjsmith8741 we have guns that shoot qys well out to 50m, it all depends on the gun. We don't stock BSA pellets, as they tend to be terrible in most guns, whereas JSB make pellets in every weight, and every size 4.50, 4.51, 4.52 And 4.53 in .177..... and 5.50, 5.51, 5.52 and 5.53 in .22........ and they are more consistent and better quality. BSA making guns to only be any good with BSA pellets would be very silly for them to do, although it would definitely fit in with thier style of business.

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@TheRealWindlePoons yeah, this is why we stock mainly jsb, as every pellet is available in every size, and thier lead is pretty soft..... great for hunting and getting on well with barrels.

[@TheRealWindlePoons]

@@Airgunmarksmanofficial JSBs work great in my Air Arms rifles, have used them for years. I was shocked to find they did not do so well in my BSA - but as stated above, every barrel is different. As you say, JSBs come in all sizes - my AA TX200 loves JSB Exact but is best using 4.53mm. Perhaps I should try all the sizes in the BSA as the ones which seem to work best are 4.50mm. Have only just discovered your channel, I'm another new subscriber. Thank-you and keep up the good work.

[@TheHitmann069]

Technology is a wonderful thing, but I never have understood the attraction to PCP's and all the gumph you need to use one. I'm still using my BSA Superstar that I bought brand new in the 80's not long after it was released. I've used it for pest control and a small amount of FT work all of it's shooting life. Blueing of the metal work is still top notch, as is the beech stock, minus a few little dings. Serviced regularly and apart from a little problem with the trigger spring sear a few years ago, it has been absolutely trouble free. Consistently chronos at 11.49ft lbs. Have used many other rifles in that time from Weirarch, Diana, Anschutz, Sharps and Feinwerkbau. Original Tasco 3-9x40 scope, sportsmatch mounts purchased with the gun. Just the right weight, superb balance and lovely, consistent pull 2 stage trigger, on par with the rekord triggers of the day. Unfortunately finding decent pellets that suit it is becoming harder. Thanks for your review and for sharing. 👍🏻

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@TheHitmann069 yeah, there's an art to shooting a springer, that's for sure. I had a webley vulcan out this morning, managed to hit our 100m 🔔 on the 3rd shot. Pcps do need more kit but also allow you to be much more consistent and accurate at longer ranges, which is good fun. Also, with the lack of recoil and the use of multishot magazines, you can send a shot, if it misses by a whisker, you can first of all see the pellets path, and second you can quickly adjust and follow up. Thanks for the comment!!! Happy shooting!!

[@TheHitmann069]

@@Airgunmarksmanofficial Webley Vulcan. Now there's a memory. Never shot one mind, but know many that did. And then probably Webleys best effort at the then top tier springers of the day the Webley Omega. 3rd shot at 100m is good shooting. 👌🏻🌟

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@TheHitmann069 yeah I was as surprised as the other guys on the range! I much preferred my old webley xocet, but the vulcan was fun. Thanks for your comments mate, much appreciated!

[@karlfell3768]

The Hades are never good beyond 50. JTS Dead Centres 16gr, great for distance or close up work

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@@karlfell3768 depends on speed and barrel mate. I found that with them in Hw barrels, but as you can see in our AGT vixen review, they group just fine at 75m.

[@andrewworley8946]

"silver lining" stock, think I need one of those 😅

[@Draknareth]

I think it's somewhat unreasonable to expect a sub 12 to be accurate enough to hunt at over 60m, it's not humane. If you need to shoot live quarry at that range or more, go FAC imho.

[@Draknareth]

Would like to see a Brocock Ghost at some point

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@Draknareth we shoot at these ranges at our club. There's no point checking accuracy at just 30m, as they should all be key-holing at that. We are merely using the longer range as a representation of qualirt and consistency of the guns tested.

[@three-phase562]

BSA rifles can be so hit and miss. I have had my R10 for just over 3 years now and not had any problems with it. Others seem to have hardly made it out of the factory before hitting grumpy mode.

[@palmer3977]

Regarding the HW00, if it ant broke dont fix it.

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@palmer3977 it's not broken, it's just archaic.

[@palmer3977]

@@Airgunmarksmanofficial Weihrauch have updated their stocks to a more angular cheek profile & tool-less (push button) adjustable cheek risers, i dont know if they have updated the internals though.

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@@palmer3977 nope, slightly different stock is all. I also run 'ONE-TEN WORKS' A Weihrauch service and repairs company.

[@palmer3977]

FX fantail xtorsion.

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@palmer3977 when you understand the inner workings of these guns, you get to appreciate how good companies like FX and AGT are, and how far behind BSA and Air Arms really are.

[@roberttaylor6075]

But you also pay a hell of a lot more money.

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@roberttaylor6075 nope... the FX DRS is £750..... The fx M4 is only a couple of hundred more than the BSA R12 CLX, and is a much better gun. The FX panthera dynamic is the same cost as the BSA R12 and is far superior.... Also bear in mind that the FXs are brand new technology with totally redesigned valving..... The BSA R12 is 20 odd year old tech.... like I said Archaic......

[@palmer3977]

@@Airgunmarksmanofficial I do like the FX Dynamic 500mm.

[@TheBaronAirGunReviews]

You are cheating. You are using a rest.

[@Airgunmarksmanofficial]

@@TheBaronAirGunReviews I'm reporting on how the gun shoots, not how I shoot

[@TheBaronAirGunReviews]

@@Airgunmarksmanofficial fair enough.