EP.69 ​⁠ Cylia Zengele full story from

[@FannyPheziwe]

Ma'am Zengele, I thank you for sharing your story with us. I'm a 70 year old granny and I don't trust any man. My eyes are swollen from crying with you. You are a strong mother and a wife, who would go an extra mile to keep her family together. Don't blame yourself for what happened. Now that you have forgiven him, God is going to give you all the answers you need. The battle is not yours anymore, take a back seat and watch God working on your enemies. Stay blessed. ❤❤❤❤

[@carolinekotsokoane6388]

😊😊😊😊😊😊😅

[@nonhlanhlamthimunye]

Amen🙏🏽🥹

[@Vv-fl2rm]

She definitely should blame herself. God showed her the signs. Right from the start so leave him out of it.

[@ZeeInterpretationz]

MADAME Zengele used to teach me in Southview high school. She used to be so open. I wish her nothing but healing. 🎉❤❤

[@hendrinahaikwiyu8149]

What type of a teacher was she?

[@bygraceandmercy]

Here's my conclusion Her husband was raised in a similar household. His mother knew about it and kept it as a family secret. His mother allowed it with the reasoning that it would keep their marriage intact as her husband was getting satisfaction within the home. He witnessed inappropriate behaviour from his father towards his sisters and it was an open secret in the home. He saw that situation 'working' and he was hoping for the same in his home. It's like how abusive men hope that their victims will enable them just like their mothers enabled their fathers. Her husband was expecting her to come to terms with it, normalise it and allow it just as was the case in the household he grew up in. She disappointed him by making a big deal of it unlike his mother. Social media is helping to bring awareness of ancient societal secrets that have been practised in some households. What a shame.

[@MimiKhumalo-sz8gy]

That's why he didn't want to have kids

[@busisiwemsibi8901]

Exactly

[@entertainmentt.2435]

True. I think the brother might molested him Or his sister

[@simphiwer8970]

Protect kids at all costs

[@tlhogid663]

​​@@simphiwer8970 Believe what people tell you the first time. He told her just after marriage he did not want kids. How does one reveal a massive value like that AFTER MARRIAGE?! It was a total bait-and-switch. She should have jumped ship right there and then to build the happy life she wanted with a proper man. She should not have allowed that liar to plant seed in her.

[@missp6663]

The moral of the story is, believe your child the first time they tell you something.

[@simphiwer8970]

@@missp6663 In fact the first time the same was taken when the child was 3 years old should have been the end of it as it was going to prove that the child is not lying

[@simphiwer8970]

@@missp6663 married woman scare me at times because to some marriage means everything to the point that they can tolerate so much disfunctionality.

[@palesaneo3817]

Bathong also the gogo😢. Yoh ngwana batho

[@baradimoletsane8698]

Exactly

[@missp6663]

@@simphiwer8970 It's woman in general. I'm married however I can never be stupid like that for a man.

[@emmajesty]

Oh Ma’m Zengele, my High School Teacher 🥺 what an episode, you’ve wrote about it but I never understood the depth of it till I watched this 💔& how you narrated it so eloquently, my heart bleeds for you, you are so courageous, may God grant you the unwavering strength , you are such a warrior, keep at it ma’am, we love you so much. ❤️🫂 Thanks to Madam speaker for your empathy , it was not an easy one but you handled it with so much care and grace. Siyabonga ❤

[@busijwara8387]

Part 2 plz madam speaker

[@surprisetsotetsi5731]

Friend this episode was a lot to take in, makes it even worse when you know the victim 😢. Thank you Madam speaker for inviting Mrs Zengele

[@emmajesty]

@ it’s worser when you can relate, this takes me back to those chats we’d have about religion man, geez it’s too much 😖

[@surprisetsotetsi5731]

@@emmajestyI don’t even know how to feel about the religious connection between the denomination and the incident

[@zinhlendlovu9310]

TikTok users did not have the same empathy for this lady as I see here on KZbin when she did the "I didn't kill him" challenge. Shame on all the TikTok users who blamed her instead of showing empathy or learning from her mistakes. May all her family members who were affected by this find healing.

[@jabuzulu986]

Tiktok users say crazy, unsympathetic statements almost all the time

[@blackwoman_015]

TikTok is becoming Twitter

[@jabunxumalo2111]

Even Facebook users were on her case and my heart broke for her !

[@lebohangm7252]

I think they did not get the full ad storie so they were judging from snippets

[@celiwemabuyakhulu7790]

I came here after listening to the 7 part series from tik tok and without a background story it is easy to take sides and also the reasons for her revoking her consent weren’t making sense but now after listening to her story I do feel that maybe madam speaker try and collaborate with qualified psychologist to offer counselling to those who needs it and it looks like mama is still in the healing process and the wounds are very much fresh

[@OnicaTlatleng]

Who else is cutting onions with me...god heal us as a country

[@gontsemoshime1730]

I'm weak

[@Zizipho-w4h]

Tjo I’m not okay 💔💔💔😭😭especially considering the fact that I’m a girl mom.

[@learnwithme322]

And oh, she's so articulate!😭 This is beyond heart wrenching!😭 Please don't be too hard on yourself my sister. The eye only sees what the mind can comprehend - you had no idea that this kind of evil existed. I pray for healing for you and your precious daughter. That man is the devil himself!

[@thatocodesia4857]

My sister ♥️😭😭😭

[@ExplorersSA]

😭😭😭😭😭

[@thokozanintinga3560]

😭😭😭

[@Elsie-w6v]

True 😅

[@bonniesukude3710]

I am very impressed with the interviewer. She listened and this is exactly what Ms Zengele needed and only came in when it is necessary and to me this is a skill.

[@bygraceandmercy]

@@bonniesukude3710 "We listen and we don't judge" challenge passed 👏

[@nozukojoseph2214]

But I think she also need to take care of herself. This is emotionally too much for anyone. She needs a break, see a psychologist or church counsellor etc. Her (Madam speaker )calling is huge & she is giving it her all. May the good Lord bless her in abundance

[@neomaletswa5455]

I believe she did say that she is seeing someone ​@@nozukojoseph2214

[@candyinlondon81]

😢😢😢❤I really appreciated when the presenter gave our guest a reassuring hug. We all needed it! 🫂 this was a tough interview, sad, sad, sad😢😢😢😢

[@gugulethunyoni4398]

That was beautiful to watch. No pressure to hurry along and finish. She was allowed to feel. And that hug made me feel better too. I was feeling so so sad and crying too.

[@letlhogonolondhlovu6691]

Yoh yoh how did she not go insane

[@joeltolamo4707]

@@candyinlondon81 Really, I was deeply touched and disappointed to hear that the husband is a Christian. He is a submarine.

[@nalediedward5639]

Yoh!ask that again😢.i would be in a mental institution nw​@@letlhogonolondhlovu6691

[@doinglife_love]

It's so true always believe the child. My son told me at the age of 9 that my brother was touching his bum. I believed him and confronted my brother. He denied and I kicked him out of my house immediately.

[@ChakomberarueChakombera]

Well done mama...may you continue protecting Boy❤

[@simelubuhlempofu5787]

Thank you mummy ❤

[@JonasMojapelo]

Well done lala❤❤❤

[@MalemeTau]

You did well dear, we no longer have brothers nowadays

[@kutullo_9x]

I wish my mom believed me as a child. A cousin of mine used to deliberately come into the room while I was bathing. He didn’t do anything but it made me so uncomfortable but my mom didn’t do anything about it. Well done to you, Mama 🎉

[@refiloebopape4081]

Madam speaker so proud of you for not interrupting your guests😊😊

[@JonasMojapelo]

She is the best presenter

[@Tebo5583]

I think this man knew he has a thing for children, that’s why he didn’t want to have his own😢 Even his suspicion of his brother molesting his own child was a fact not just a suspicion. He wanted to see his wife’s reaction to check how sensitive she is to the matter. He is a master manipulator, so my sister don’t blame yourself, you did not know such evil existed let alone from a person who created such a “credible“ facade. Justice might not be served legally but he will reap what he has sown, I’m sure he is already paying for what he did. May you and your children find healing, prosper and flourish into the future ❤ God is El Roi, He has seen all that you’ve been through. May you get all the answers you need from God and may He order your steps always. May you and your children see better days in 2025 & going forward

[@NMC1634]

It's quite possible that he molested other kids! There could be other victims out there.

[@NMC1634]

Beautiful words of encouragement!!!

[@TebogoShibambo4253]

i worked the the police for 12 years, this man can still be arrested today, they took the child to the doctor there a record. when coming to rape. the law doesn't play. i experienced the same issue in polokwane where a man raped his own daughter until she conceiced, the babe was almost 5 years when the daughter's case was reported, and the mother knew but she was scared to report because she was scared of her husband. the daughter was almost 50 years when her father was arrested and he was sentenced..

[@NMC1634]

@@TebogoShibambo4253 Thanks for such an insightful comment.

[@ariseshine08]

Amen!

[@nokubongamaphalla7166]

I can relate. My aunts daughter was raped by her own father for many years. As soon as the mother found out,she opened a case,then went to drop it. The time we found out as a family,sadly my aunt passed away. Our hands were tight. Im glad the Dog also passed on

[@ReshoketsweMthombeni]

I've just learnt of Cylia now but I see that she has been vocal online about this as far as 2 years ago. History has no blank pages, her daughter will remember how ferociously her mother fought for her once she learnt the truth. I'm so sorry ous' Cylia. May time heal you and your daughter.

[@noluviwentandane4892]

Owh Nkosi yam, have mercy on your children and the strong woman that is raising them. I delayed watching this episode because I knew I was going to cry. I'm sure the whole country is crying with you Mam'Zengele. This is so sad. 😭😭😭😭😭 Yhooo. Andiyazi noba ndithini, I'm speechless.

[@Yimishe]

Kudos to you Madam Speaker for handling this interview with such care and compassion. No crime ever goes unpunished and God never slumbers. I wish the young lady an outpouring of Gods mercy

[@ModikweSentso-gr7nq]

He will reap what he sews shame,even if justice doesn't prevail, but the universe will deal with him😢💔

[@babalwamvulana3095]

True Karma will find him🤞🏻

[@NteboMo]

After the episode we all need a counseling session. What a heavy episode.

[@dorcushatlane9525]

Yoooo..this is so heavy and heartbreaking 😭😭😭😭😭

[@dorcushatlane9525]

When husband said to her, I think my brother is molesting his daughter...HE WAS ACTUALLY SAYING TO HER HE IS THE ONE MOLESTING HIS BROTHER'S DAUGHTER

[@hendrinahaikwiyu8149]

It's indeed heavy... iam still in aw

[@rachelntini4252]

I clicked on the episode hoping to watch for few minutes and am wide awake women let’s be friends with our children both boys and girls allow them to speak their minds. My heart is very sew we need time with our children people are monsters 👿

[@nombusogodole4888]

@@rachelntini4252 Yoh this was heartbreaking I can’t even sleep.

[@zanelethulimtshali9165]

Please do not blame yourself for sharing your story 🙏 someone will learn from it and your family will heal ,we need to stop being silent as black people when people are abusing us we need to break the chain of being scared God will protect you mme stay blessed ❤

[@Top_trendingss]

Shes so strong for fighting for her daughters justice, in a cruel world not may would do that😢absolutely love her❤and happy new year 🎉

[@otsilesithole3111]

What a courageous lady, thank you for raising awareness. You have saved many kids with this story

[@selokelamotsoko766]

I prematurely judged this woman without hearing the full story, and for that my heart bleeds. I am terribly sorry, may God give her and her daughter strengths to overcome this and they are no longer victims but Victors. She is a very strong and powerful woman.

[@user-vx2xq3vi4o]

I'm guilty

[@PoplaMos-tp5hi]

I did the same. I'm now crying

[@lebohangm7252]

Is there no petition we can sign to halve the case reopened and reinvestigated?

[@LeratoMoshoeshoe-c2t]

Please justice for this baby😢

[@cookielyon5686]

Petitions don't work in SA

[@nozeeradebe7120]

I would sign it as well

[@BoitshephoNone]

Rather a petition to have a case against the evil brigadier that just sat on the report and probably made sure nothing comes out of it.

[@tannekabrown]

This case makes me so angry 😡 The fact that this monster is still alive and free to violate another baby makes me so angry . Can someone please expose this man for the world to see even if it is from a fake account! The world is not safe as long as he is still alive

[@Stizo2002]

Unfortunately this exposes our South African systems are. If a system cannot protect the most vulnerable in society then there is no hope.

[@NMC1634]

He could be with another woman right now molesting her kids. One will wonder how many victims are there on his path. He must have left a trail of destruction.

[@annahmotsa7182]

I think such cases shud be given kubo XRepo....Ayeyana emaphoyisa. Unomuthi lo babe lo. Ungcolile shem lo sathane..kepha usatobhadala 😢😢😢

[@ceothesheriffshow]

He shouldn’t be free at all. Even him being alive…🤦🏾‍♀️

[@StefStef438]

@@Stizo2002she should just post a family photo with him in it and then we’ll know who he is. People that went to church and work with them should know his face. He must be married now as well and doing the same thing. This is an Illnesses and until he seeks help, he’ll never heal

[@LorraineHlazana]

She married a man she hardly knew. This is where all this started. She wanted this man and even prayed for him and she got him so she can't blame God for that. That's a decision that she made. I work with children. When a child tells you something listen to them. It doesn't matter how foolish you may think it is, listen to them then do your own investigations just to confirm. You don't just let it go. Also just because a person goes to Church doesn't mean they are God-fearing, even the devil goes to church. Even the devil knows the Bible. Which is why the Bible says you shall know them by their fruits, not by how many times they go to church or how many scriptures they know or how many times they pray but by their fruits Over and above all i wish both her and her daughter healing

[@pfulu]

My highlights from this Painful story is ; Let’s not build an alter around this husband’s😫 coz it causes spiritual Blindness then Death spiritually, decernment gone. -let’s pay attention, for example if your husband can wake you up to give you tea every day and after drinking his tea u feel drowsy and dizzy you have to start observing him , don’t dismiss your small small voice. Let’s listen to our kids with our eyes 👀 when they are talking. -Comfortable and peaceful merriage is nice , but let’s be sorber and pay attention to everything around us including includes children. -let’s always remember that our husband are not God , let’s love them with our eyes open. -Let’s listen to our kids the first time . -when kids tell you something about their Dad listening attentively coz kids don’t lie .

[@joeltolamo4707]

@pfulu 100% true. I am a man, and I always make sure that I listen to the kids. They have true stories, but sometimes you must be strong as some statements are painful. I prefer to keep quiet.

[@AllthingsHealth_]

And also ask children questions, sit them down and allow them to confide in you. They should be able to tell you everything no matter what.

[@ntombifuthinkosi3085]

@@AllthingsHealth_kids don’t talk sometimes even when asked. Once you suspect you take your child to a clinic or a doctor they will speak up

[@joeltolamo4707]

@pfulu It's true. We have to monitor our partners, no matter whether we're a wife or husband. Eish....maar life is tough. It is obvious that trust is no more.

[@AllthingsHealth_]

@ They do if you train them and allow them to, You can’t wait for kids to talk to you, you need to let kids know that being touched in particular places is wrong and she should always run to you when someone does that to them. My daughter just turned 6 and she calls me to sit down and talk about everything because I normalized that. She knows we don’t keep secrets. We share the events of our day every single day. And I told her when someone threatens her about not telling me something that happened that’s when she needs to tell me. If you are her parent and she can’t talk to you about stuff then check yourself. You should always be the safest space for your child!

[@lesley_lezley]

That child suffered, alone, in a home where she was supposed to feel the safest. 💔💔💔

[@simphiwer8970]

💔

[@BlessedMammy]

it’s a pity that there are millions more suffering under the same situation 😔☹️mothers choose to safe their marriages and image of a “ family “ than minding their children 😞😞😞

[@michellesephofane5173]

​@BlessedMammydid we all hear the part where she said they were all drugged?

[@BlessedMammy]

@@michellesephofane5173 all drugged to dep sleep not drugged to never wake up and talk walk see feel work even pray the hubby should not be home by the time the police and I get home .

[@BlessedMammy]

@ a mother can be drugged and be conffussed that whatever she saw was not real but dream but even such dream , we ( most of us ) do confirm by talking and checking our babies ( under age ) . Communications and not doubting your child is the key to kick out all drugs and theories 💢

[@leratodigoamaje9741]

I'm half way through this podcast and : 1. Whichever Doctor that made the first assessment and then went to say , "no biological father could ever do that to their own daughter" 😡[Sir, do you live in the same South Africa the rest of us gets to encounter on a daily??🤯], and then goes on to say most 3 year olds lie and use their wild imaginations😱, this Dr should be stripped off their license and never practice again 😠😠😠 ....you could have saved this toddler any further potential harm, and you made such an analysis knowing full and well your badge will have those words "hold water".What a terrible example of a Doctor 😭

[@Stizo2002]

Agreed but then it depends on what the law and policies say regarding Child protection. Because all systems failed the child dismally.

[@lorrainemadure2837]

Yes, i understand. but it was in 2004.......Even the lady said at that time she had never heard of a case where a father would do that, she had only seen it on Oprah's show.

[@Sma_dzadza]

Mina I even think the doctor does the same…how didn’t he take it as serious as the police 😢

[@Blessed_for_life_2023]

​@@lorrainemadure2837child protection units were established around 1998,and such cases were already rife. I don't understand people who say they never thought parents would do that when it was in the news all the time, especially if you're a teacher.

[@phamzalee5025]

I won't be surprised if he's a perpetrator himself. He was also covering his tracks.

[@nhlanhlam121]

I have prayed for you and your children. We serve a God of justice

[@nomxhosapekani7966]

What justice when the damage is already done.😭😭

[@Vv-fl2rm]

😂😂😂 keep deluding yourselves. God left the chat a long time ago. He himself is tired of humans and their filth

[@Zanele242]

Women need to start believing their children, the child was crying for help the first time and the mother believed the husband. This is just heartbreaking 💔

[@bongisibeko4575]

True and she was 3😭😭😭ai some men are so cruel and evil😭😭😭😭😭

[@carolinecongo1179]

The denial of a married woman 😢😢😢

[@dorothy3586]

Just imagine it’s sad

[@nonzwakazithrusmamodise3795]

Madam speaker and Mam Zengele. What a heartbreaking story, I am still in shock and in awe. Funny enough I have been asking myself how many people will get arrested. If all victims can come through. So many people were victimised by family members, grand parents, uncles, church leaders and the least is endless. God 😭😭😭we beg for your intervention. Our tears cannot fall for nothing. We beg you, let there be progress on this case by the end of this new month 😭😭😭.

[@Blessed_for_life_2023]

I'm telling you the jails will be full, if people come forward. There's lots, and people aren't brave enough to talk.

[@OscarNekwakwane-c6l]

We will be left with very few man

[@prettypet7647]

Mme Cylia,I believe that your closing remarks unanswered that question you had for God. What happened to you was truly devastating and what I learned as young woman who is a believer is that I should be vigilant and not simply fall for a man because he gives off a godly appearance. I learned so many things in your cautionary tale that I would take forever listing them.I believe that your book and your interviews will reach mothers who need reassurance that they're not mad,when they see the signs. I too went through hard time's, that I stopped going to church but I heard a saying that helped me to go back to God and fellowship, which says Don't let people's actions tell you who God is. My prayers for you and your household.

[@pumlambiza3922]

This is soo painfull. I feel Celia's pain and the anger she feels of being fooled for soo long. May that monster get his punishment one day.

[@patlimongwai7769]

I’m proud of her for fighting for her kids,even after so long,fact remains,she fought for them.❤️

[@teekay543]

In this case the mother was too trusting. She is an educated woman. Articulate and intelligent. The problem must have been religion because she was in denial and failed to heed the warnings.

[@gladysmafatshe4949]

Eish... Especially after the child told him what her father did to her at the age of 3...the police gave the mother a very good advise.. Asking the suspect questions without proof.. Aeee.....

[@bygraceandmercy]

Education has nothing to do with it. If it did then all educated women would be in thriving marriages with the best husbands 🤔

[@nosiphoradebe6297]

Ey, religion & marriage 😢 Women are desperate for both.

[@BlessedMammy]

@@bygraceandmercyshe’s saying of mother daughter not husband wife area . How she could not pay attention to her child 😢😢😢

[@bygraceandmercy]

@BlessedMammy The mother-daughter scenario exists under the husband-wife area. It's complicated. Even the doctor and psychologist being very much educated missed it. It's not that simple.

[@fionancoyo6105]

This episode is teaching us alot especially us the mothers. Thank so much for sharing with us your story mamaZengele🙏

[@learnwithme322]

Lord!😭😭😭😭😭 This tore my heart into 1000 pieces. Lord bless this poor woman and her child. I have no words...😭

[@ExplorersSA]

God has their back, who would have known that such evil existed

[@joeltolamo4707]

@ExplorersSA Eish ... no one, especially from a Christian 😒

[@lesegobeverlymoeti2828]

I've heard heartbreaking stories but this is just too painful. I'm a girl mom (2) & I refuse to be married or ever share a place with a man. Re bitseng mafetwa it's fine guys👍

[@newmohlala5496]

I feel you 😔

[@NMC1634]

I hear you loud and clear!!!

[@LucyMurasie]

Stru for our kids sake arebe mafetwa

[@adelaidemotsepe732]

Also don't let your kid visit where there is a male,If a male comes to visit let someone be with your child throughout or go get your daughter

[@whatislove-ur8if]

Problem is thinking all men are the same...been married for 14 yrs and we always get shocked with my husband listening to this kind of pain other women went through

[@learnwithme322]

Madam Speaker, you're doing the Lord's work. May He continue to grant you wisdom and strength. 🙏🏾🙏🏾❤️You handled her with so much care and compassion!

[@Caroline-fm7hp]

Yoh,one can sèe Madam Speaker is exhausted, lets extends sme grace to her as well ❤

[@lindysokudela5553]

Jhoooo thank you sis for this awareness… we need to hear this as mothers. Thank you so much… I am so hurt hearing this story.

[@themedguytM]

this was such an eye opener of an episode, its such a pity that now there's a lot of drama on TikTok surrounding it

[@beniesmatsetse2202]

What drama

[@busisiwemoloi4136]

Most of us came to watch after that but hai this is shocking 😮this father

[@n.hmahlaba465]

I come from tik tok after seeing the whole podcast my heart bleeds over so much drama. I really don't understand 😢😢

[@leratogao2267]

People do bad things not because of their church, but because they are bad themselves 😢😮

[@Missfab86]

@@leratogao2267 no one thinks it’s because of the church. But churches definitely protect abusers ❤️

[@leratodigoamaje9741]

hmmm, you'll be shocked at the number of sexual offence cases reported by this particular religion, esp. the ones the church always decides to keep on the down low because apparently it is none of the organization's laws to no report any sexual or related cases.Imagine.Just ,think about it for a few seconds.

[@triciakekana]

True

[@leratodigoamaje9741]

@leratogao2267 but I will be frank and say, the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization seemingly has a lot of these kinds of cases cropping up way too often, and it doesn't help that one of their "rules" is that "internal sexually offensive" incidents aren't allowed to be resprted outside of the organization (imagine). ...so in a nutshell a young girl and/or boy aren't allowed to report any sexual malice of any sort , particularly my an elderly of the church. ...meaning the process is such that you report to one of "the elders" and it gets "resolved internally ", yep.Such incidents are forbidden from being reported to any external authorities (saps or any legal organizations) ....now let that be your homework for the next couple of days.This church nna aekhona, I don't vibe with it at all.

[@leratodigoamaje9741]

@leratogao2267 but Jehovah's Witness Organization seems to have a lot of these kinds of incidents creep up a lot more often than normal. ...It does not help that it's one of the church's rules that the young girls and boys of the church are not allowed to report these kind of incidents (externally) and/or to any external authorities.These are only ever allowed to be reported to the "elders of the church" and thus be "resolved internally", now let that sink in. Does that "sound" like a reasonable organization to you ?

[@-Natefo-]

So grateful to Mama Cylia for sharing a story like this, surely not easy to share. I’ve learned that children are to be trusted and listened to without judgement nor doubt. Healing and light to you and your children.❤

[@NtombethembaNtosh]

Thank you for telling your story I have learned a lot from listen and all the signs you have mentioned will forever be in my mind.

[@ReignTravel-o4e]

FCS Vereeniging Captain Mooeketsi should be brought to books too🙏🏾

[@joeltolamo4707]

@ReignTravel-o4e It's true, but what I have realized with the police, they need a strong mental educational training course, and physical training will come after.

[@Vuyo_Bikwana]

He does not deserve that position.

[@joeltolamo4707]

@@Vuyo_Bikwana Yes broer

[@Ahava222]

True

[@pfulu]

Kids doesn’t lie Mama , trust your children from now on.😢

[@thepheonix6501]

my advice to mothers,dont b too desperate for a marriage/relationship so much so that you turn a blind eye t0 evil around ,your child is supposed to be your first priority my heart is breaking for that child and iam just disgusted,may the child find peace and strength to cope with this nightmare I can just imagine the pain ,confusion and helplessness from the child all these years when she could not be seen and head by the one person that shield and protect her from all the evil.😓😡

[@NatashaDelvers]

Ngaze ngakwata.👍👍👍

[@n.hmahlaba465]

Even if she doesn't remember now it will come back as you grow up start having your relationships. It comes back clearly😭😭😭😭😭. May the daughter find healing hoping therapy will help 🥹🥹🥹

[@zodwamohlabisi6089]

Yho! This was so painful to listen to. As a mother of two girls, I try and pray so much for their protection, I teach them to tell us if anything or anyone does things they don't like. Huuuu! It's not easy-to-use and I despise rape with all that's in me. Hope the family heals and God answers all your questions mama. Hope your girl grows and becomes a powerful woman❤

[@patriciamoreke3115]

Mama, fight, write to all the media, your daughter must get justice.I am praying that you get help and the child get justice and youboth heal, God is faithful.

[@Muhle64]

Dear Madam Speaker: May God give you more grace to carry you in this ministry. My heart goes out to the mom and child.

[@masingitashelly2270]

When the guy said he doesn't want kids he new he's living with demons inside him,pity the lady didn't take it serious, even his brothers have de same spirits,actually this spirit runs in the family,this is scary 😢

[@Reset_With_Louisa]

This is the second interview where I heard the husband didn’t want children and the wife insisted and something bad happened to the child. I pray for the child’s healing

[@angelinadale]

This is so painful, but l have a feeling that this man is a really professional in what he was doing and people like that will not only do it once 😢 in most cases 😢

[@TebogoShibambo4253]

Am shocked..

[@QueenFlo]

But God never sleep nor slumber. One day everything will prevail@@TebogoShibambo4253 true,

[@SipokuhleRoyo-k6w]

Cylia thanks for being courageous n telling the story. This is ur ministry now. U will help alot of women going through this.

[@Dailygossipcelebrity]

The father is evil, how can you rape your own child, even if she wasn’t his own child no one deserve that trauma. We pray against the spirit of rape from the child may it never happen again in Jesus name,we seal the child with the blood of Jesus. May the Lord comfort and heal you with the child

[@dorcushatlane9525]

Amen and Amen. Thank you for the prayer.

[@gladysmafatshe4949]

Amen

[@Blessed_for_life_2023]

Most of child sexual abuse cases are perpetrated by family members especially fathers and family protected the men. Some of us were extremely lucky.

[@NMC1634]

​​@@Blessed_for_life_2023You are right!!!!! I've treated many people who are victims of childhood sexual trauma. It's heart breaking when you hear the stories of how women in the families are the gatekeepers of such horrendous crimes and protect these monsters all to "preserve the family unit". Also I used to work in a forensic setting treating these monsters. Very manipulative bunch of people. I lasted only 3 months and I was out.

[@MariaSindane-kt9eg]

I never cried out so loud in a while 😭😭 it woke my son up he cried with me. I told him I have headache 😢😢😢yhooooooo heavy heart

[@hendrinahaikwiyu8149]

But this stories just make me furious everytime I listen to them...

[@sazi7128]

😤 😠 😡

[@ramaselaviolet2993]

Me too, I feel so defeated and I think I would do something horrible to avenge my child 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@pollenlindokuhle7020]

😢😢😢 Trust in the lord with all your heart,he will give you peace.

[@joeltolamo4707]

Our country must change the system of employing police, no more grade 12. They must have their own four year course training. If you don't have any, then no job.

[@NMC1634]

I agree because they enforce the law. Someone can't spend 5 years studying law to be a lawyer, whilst the one enforcing it studies only for 6 months! It doesn't make sense.

[@joeltolamo4707]

@NCarterMed It's true as it doesn't go hand in hand. Judiciary and law enforcement should balance. Everything will be 100% good.

[@_Luminary101_]

You’d be amazed at the number of DEGREED individuals who have zero emotional intelligence and who would most likely have continued the process in exactly the same way… This is a societal issue…

[@amandantshiba]

“I had to apologise to her…” May God heal you mama 🙏🙏🙏❤️

[@ntangamunzhedzi1397]

😭😭he drugged them, how horrible! How cruel

[@kelebogilelentsela3578]

I think so too 😢

[@mapulasethosa7088]

Syringe 💉 just took it to another level 😮😢

[@tumelozar]

Drugged who?

[@jwankie]

Full agree

[@sheerlordgaba4685]

😢😢😢child molestation and rape trauma. I relate i went through it. And i could only tell my mom as an adult who healed herself. The pain in my mother's eyes i will never forget it. Love and light momma❤

[@carolinecongo1179]

😢😢😢

[@thapelomanyaka7362]

So sorry my dear one, hope you find healing❤❤❤

[@Tebom777]

🫂 May God grant you complete healing and peace 😭❤️

[@Winterflowers1]

This is so heartbreaking im even rethinking having kids 💔this world is too cruel😥

[@1Slie]

Dude...Us who have them ke 😢

[@MissCombs1511]

I had yeeeeaaaarrrrss when I said I cannot have children because I cannot protect them 24/7.

[@dorahmokete218]

😢​@@MissCombs1511

[@portiamagaqa1536]

​@@MissCombs1511eish.... sisi 😢 I heard alot of stories when I was growing up ,kids who had HIV because a grown man raped them,some were damaged their bladders couldn't hold urine for long all because a grown man raped them. I really developed trust issues because of that,I have a beautiful toddler and I pray everyday that God keeps His eye on her.

[@mphopatriciamelato7102]

That man use muthi but God is God mama He will definitely deal with him, He is still God le maemong ana

[@sinegugumaphumulo4100]

Kudos to the police👏👏for trying to get a statement from Mom to make sure that the child is owk even though the doctor "cleared" the husband.

[@1Slie]

I know the first time hey. I was so shocked. Not the SAPS I know today

[@magdelinemosiditladi8881]

At least for once there are honest police officers in this country

[@Tshepiso18]

Honestly, hey. I was shocked at how adamant they were to make sure that the right thing is done for the sake of the child. May God bless those police.

[@NMC1634]

They need to be given credit where it's due. They tried!

[@mpotsijoseph5813]

Hope the child is healing…childhood trauma is so incurable 😢only God heals

[@magdelinemosiditladi8881]

I hope the community who knows these family don't put a stigma on the child as she grows

[@Blessed_for_life_2023]

Already her kids will be identified through her Sometimes I wish parents could protect

[@howto...9289]

This woman did everything she could but the cops failed her and doctors! Yoh. Sending hugs to that baby ❤

[@mrm1984]

No she didn't. Did you actually listen to what she said? She literally said she was in denial of what was happening.

[@missp6663]

No she didn't. It took her 8 years to believe her child.

[@Thato-s9u]

She did not fail her child...there is never a time she did not act to her child's words or her own suspicions

[@tsholo9100]

Did you miss the part where she refused to make a statement at the police station? She wanted the husband to be innocent so bad that she was willing to dismiss her 3 year old’s words

[@howto...9289]

@@tsholo9100 thus doctors mentioned as well. She took the doctors word but her initial reaction was to believe her child. Did she make mistakes yes, that doesn’t take away from the fact that she believed her child and acted. She didn’t dismiss her child 😑 or you skipped the part where they went to the doctor and the doctor said nothing is wrong.

[@Itss_your_girl_bk]

I have never been so hurt in my life as a mother who has a girl child 😢

[@dorcushatlane9525]

It's so heartbreaking

[@PaulineKarolus]

Am even crying yoo life is so hard

[@Mybabylola2022]

Name and shame. Even if you don't get justice from the Police but atleast he will be known and shunned in society.

[@Ntokozo.1]

that's what I'm saying just his name nje and he will regret the day his mother met his father ,because who wouldn't exist if they hadn't met.

[@meselem8706]

I have no words, tears just flow down my face as a girl child Mother 😢

[@FavourMaya]

After listening to the story.i understand why he didn't want children from the beginning,he knew that there is a spirit in his family. since he told the wife that the brother was molesting his son.💔💔💔

[@mbaliegordon2667]

“It runs in the family “ that’s a generation curse 😢

[@ayandamagubani1439]

ND he knows it coz he didn't wnt kids he knws about d curse😢😢😢

[@Shhhhhokay]

We aren’t talking about the son that wants his dad so bad after all of this…. Red flag 😭😭😭😭🫤

[@veronicakahura111]

This is truly an eye opener to all of us. Stay strong dear for yourself and children.

[@tshepiso0]

I am so touched with this lady's story, may she continue to find strength ❤

[@MolemoMoisi]

You're such a brave woman and that monster blinded you with everything or whatever he used, a mother's instict is never wrong. Wish you healing and strength, please do know that it's never your fault, you fought a battle with no enough weapons. May God never leave you to feel any weak ❤

[@Missfab86]

I’ve watched many heartbreaking stories and podcasts but my heart has never ever sunk as low as it has right now 💔

[@mbalinyathikazi6078]

props to the interviewer👏👏👏 you listened so well and that's axactly what she needed. Also, Mam Zengele is so articulate. She narrated so well. Heal mama❤

[@itsemorake8667]

God will fight for you mama, i declare psalm 35 for you, you will have your justice,

[@VictressNxumalo]

Lost huby 3 years ago. I have 3 girls. I want no man. This story affirms that I don’t want any man in my life

[@joicegaredondo9385]

I lost my father when I was 3 now am 37 but I have never see my mom bringing a man home and i thank her for that .magine your biological father do that to you what about stepfather 😢😢😢

[@BUHLEBUZILE]

La baba meant it when he said he does n't want children, he knew he was this hostile😢 poor kids. He had to talk about the root of having no love for the kids for you take him serious.

[@Sgcebezana]

Shem if you hear this lady when she started she said the mistake PPL make when getting into marriage are some questions to be asked that are avoided like having kids n ABT where to buy a house. Maybe she's trying to say if she probed more to y he doesn't want kids he would have said but he was not open abt that,hence she's says she's failed her child That's my 2cents😮.

[@Nungu2]

Everytime she went to hospital, the husband went somewhere. I think he has a strong sangoma who makes this case not to be taken serious. This is not normal.

[@bygraceandmercy]

@@Nungu2 💯

[@nozukojoseph2214]

Or, he gives a "brown envelope". Sadly money talks & can make things to disappear

[@neliabee2712]

The same reason they thought they were having nightmares. They will do what it takes to make you think you're just over imagining or crazy

[@JenniferN55]

Only the Lord can move mountains in this situation. I am so sorry for what was done to your family. I have followed u and heard ur story many times. This is the year where the Lord will redeem alot of he's children, pleass lean into him. You are a great mom.

[@sheronsnethembancube2693]

Can the kids of the father's brothers also be interviewed please, this is a family damaging society

[@katuciamoussongo]

Guys let's not be lazy spiritual wife. Let's protect our children

[@nontobekomdletshe6860]

Please elaborate ma'am

[@QueenOfSheba_]

At some point this story stopped making sense.. Why should the police say that " it must be the uncles, and not the father, dreams are not a crime"? It was already proven that this poor child was being molested.... 5 years to get lab results, and in that 5 years she's still staying with the same molester. Haibo?? She is also to be blamed for wanting to protect her husband when the police asked her to write a statement so that they could send the 3 year old's "discharge" to the lab. The child told her what happened, heads should have rolled from that day. These are mother's who don't protect their children, I wonder if she wasn't abuse herself as a child. Sad story😢😢😢

[@FavourMaya]

The way I see it,it's spiritual.

[@ravelenthulanetv675]

Madam Speaker i wish i could interview people like u do . much respect Makhadzi u way best more than many pro that i know of 👏👏👏👏

[@skyflower0075]

The 1st kit when she was 3 couldve saved alot of lives. She cudve just given the statement 😢

[@Noh-g9j]

That child was brave enough to tell her mum at 3 yrs tht daddy is a bad man . She had so much courage thn bt the adults let her down

[@angelajojo]

Yooooh, this a hard one. How can a dad do this to his own daughter? There is a big problem with humans and we need God's intervention Asap!!You are strong mama and may God fight for you and your baby. Sending you love and light from Kenya.

[@Blessed_for_life_2023]

Yoh, you still asking this? It's happening daily being done by priests, policemen, teachers, even doctors who are fathers to their own girls. I worked with child protection units at that time it was hell.... Even a police captain was caught doing that to 3 of his girls whilst the wife was pregnant.

[@mikatekomoyane2089]

​@@Blessed_for_life_2023I'm shocked

[@grace2.026]

@@Blessed_for_life_2023A normal person will still ask because even though we see that it happens often it is something that a normal person cannot comprehend why. It’s why every time we are shocked and ask how. The day we stop asking means we are desensitized. We should ever reach a point of being Desensitized.

[@Blessed_for_life_2023]

@@grace2.026 in this era, the normal you're referring to should be denial. A person in denial would ask this in this era, because the information is out there. People close to the kids are the biggest culprits, it's out there.

[@grace2.026]

@ It’s not denial. I myself was molested by my uncle when I was 7. At 15 my other uncle wanted to try things with me. But I up to date I still ask myself how a person can do that to another person. I know first hand that it happens. I will always be shocked at how evil people can be. That’s why I ask how or why? I’m not in denial that people can be vile and disgusting . I just stil have my humanity. The humanity in me is what makes me ask why another human being can inflict such pain on another not my denial. So the day we stop asking how or why is the day we have been desensitized to accept these things as part of our existence. We should never stop questioning people’s humanity/ umunthu or lack there of(if you are African from the southern region then you will understand the meaning of umunthu).

[@shyletlupa5453]

As someone who was molested as child I would always protect my kids and belive whatever they tell me until proven otherwise

[@khethiwemethula2023]

Sorry you had to experience such as a child 🌸. May you heal 🙏🏾

[@salcaramelsal7163]

So sorry babe

[@angelamoyo6170]

l know they say time heals but some wounds never do ,l cant trust anyone with my children because of my biological father

[@alterbuoys9533]

The police must act on this. It can’t just be awareness

[@Cosy-jq2kl]

I think we must also share the story so it reaches someone's ear really sad😢

[@nosiphoradebe6297]

Police suggested the uncles handle it.

[@GodsFavourite2024]

They are getting ready to track them down😢

[@nozukojoseph2214]

Unfortunately, we don't have police in our country. They are failing the citizens over & over again & those that are more corrupt get promoted to positions they don't deserve. I personally, have lost all trust in those that are supposed to protect us😢😢😢

[@kgothatsomonepya6262]

The police are useless yoh

[@shupikaicumbers5915]

But whether it’s a dream or not SA police needs to bring this man for questioning. He is still doing the same with other children , he should not be allowed nearer to any children.

[@TebogoShibambo4253]

The police could have done that. This guy went to the police nd manipulate them before they could question him..nd I believe the guy was drugging the babe so that the babe doesn't see or remember anything. That's why the babe never said " I saw my dad do this" nd the guy took some tablets to make sure that the DNA doesn't match the symbol..

[@NoxoloMhlanga]

Oh Mama😭I am so so sorry, may you find healing and strength in the Lord❤️

[@MasontahaMatsobane]

Yhooo 😭 😭 such stories continues to increase the fear in me to have a baby yhoo may the lord heal you and your daughter mama hle yhoo I can't imagine the blame u put on yourself my prayers goes to your daughter more to be emotionally and physically well especially bcoz the world has its own things

[@FuluMphamphuli]

May the good God continue to give you strength..I have learnt a lot from your testimony

[@sibongisenisakhele3114]

This is soooo painful! He is monster indeed. I am so sorry that your familt had to endure such pain. At the same time, you are educating and empowering us mama.

[@RefiloeDhlamini-b9p]

This woman's story broke me😢

[@AmandaN123]

The anger I feel... Let's pray for that poor child that was failed by somany people except those police officers who begged the mother to write just one sentence statement