Epic Depreciation - BSA Gold Star 650 - How much did the previous owner lose in 12 months?

[@MotoTingle]

I would like to express my sincere gratitude for everyone's valuable feedback. I have received considerable criticism from BSA owner groups regarding the documentation of my ownership experience. It seems purchasing a 12-month-old motorcycle with 800 miles, which subsequently experienced fluid leaks and wiring faults at 45 mph, has made me feel somewhat marginalised. Documenting and discussing these issues openly online has not been well received. Unfortunately, I have not received any support from BSA or Lukas Distribution.

[@movieknifedude3265]

@@MotoTingle sorry to read this. Like I said above about my Norton. My comments on a forum were seen by a Norton employee and I was contacted by Norton to resolve the issue. Can't fault them. BSA should be taking a leaf out of their book

[@steveburton2806]

Contact bill Nelson, pro for bsa owners club, he thinks that they are a good bike!

[@nortoncommando770]

@@movieknifedude3265 I too have a Norton 961 and love it. However the Nortons are blatantly far superior in quality as is reflected by the price.

[@Bob-ts2tu]

that's why im a honda fan, i want performance, reliability and to keep the residual as best i can - i don't nostalgia for any old motorbike or resurrected brand name, id never buy a BSA, RE or any other of the so called 'modern classics', and if i wanted a warts and all experience including waiting by the roadside, id just buy an old original one, at least they're interesting lol. GL

[@MotoTingle]

@@Bob-ts2tu I’ve always fancied a Kawasaki W800

[@WyreForestBiker]

I respect your honesty and willingness to tell it how it is. There are far too many "Influencers" who refuse to give anything but praise for every bike they review often reciting the " all modern bikes are reliable " mantra , and arrogantly suggesting people who are not convinced by Indian and Chinese bikes are some kind of xenophobic dinosaur. I test rode the BSA shortly after it was released and enjoyed it , but certain aspects of the finish and stories I was hearing about the company concerned me so I decided it wasn't for me.... The dealer dumped the brand less than 12 months later.

[@MotoTingle]

This is all an owners perspective. I’m a motorcycle mechanic and using the same warranty system any owner has to. It’s been a tragic experience that most can’t/wont talk about. “Watchmaker quality” and “the gold standard” are used frequently. Oh, I’m seeing 2024 bikes getting top end rebuilds due to poor machining on the heads. Influencers: “all problems are fixed” 😂

[@nickaxe771]

STUART FILLINGHAM FOR INSTANCE......what a ##ick.

[@Trev350]

@@WyreForestBiker has Uncle Fillingham still got his? He told everyone not to buy one.... Then bought one himself!

[@fjrboy]

@@Trev350 he most certainly has, and loves it!....like I do

[@johnmartin7158]

@@Trev350. Iv’e read comments about him on Reddit, say no more.

[@warrenr4]

It’s a cheap poorly built Indian bike with an off the shelf name plate. I’ve been riding Japan’s bikes for over 40 years and not had any of these problems. Thumbs up for the honesty of this video. Respect and good luck.

[@MotoTingle]

Cheers, I’m a mechanic that’s been collecting bikes for years, all of them I love apart from one. It’s been a bloomin awful experience, hateful owners, terrible service from Lukas Distribution and here I am waiting five weeks just to get it into a workshop, let alone get warranty approved. Cheers!

[@rekzkat]

Spot on Warren slapping a tank badge of a previously Iconic manufacturer on third rate motorcycles doesn't turn the sow into a silk purse.

[@MotoTingle]

@@rekzkat Double Sided tape holds my tank badge on. Ask me how I know... Cause one side came off

[@SamWaide-t6r]

I worked on japanese bikes and everyone had problems honda 360 destroyed cams poor oil circulation hondas replacement parts same problem funny how people are so against the Indian made bsa yet love the Indian made triumph 400 which has plenty of problems switching of the engine when people are riding it my last two bonnevilles made in thailand the great English made bsa is gone only problem with mine is the name gold it means nothing to me it will be covered up soon by a made in India decal

[@pedrothewise2584]

problem is jap bikes have 0%claas.

[@antbonyziemiak208]

Thank you for your honesty, sir. Ever since I saw the black phantom model, I’m lusting for one. The Black Phantom model is the most beautiful and handsome machine I’ve seen available today. But thanks to honest people like you I’ll wait a bit and learn more about this machine. Currently a W-650 owner. The “W” stands for ……. WONDERFUL !!!

[@MotoTingle]

Id live a W800 with the bevel cam gear. Yes, influencers will tell you plenty of things, just not the reality of ownership. So here I am

[@kelvinjolley6264]

W is definitely wonderful I have had my w650 for 19 years absolutely brilliant bike.

[@howhistory5877]

Well, two things really. They are not 'BSA' and they are shite.

[@newbymick1]

Nail on the head mate. Saying that, the BSA is a nail. I had a dealer almost begging to buy one. I walked out and bought a RE Interceptor instead.

[@mdiz4564]

Mahindra shite actually!🤣

[@G58]

I said it was nasty from day one.

[@stephengibbs4372]

BSA ….bring spanners along. 😂

[@Teuchteronabike]

​@SamWaide-t6r It's called balance. Some people have positive experiences and some have negative ones. It is equally valid that both sides are published.

[@winstoniofarana7720]

I had exactly the same experience when I bought a Triumph Rocket 3 at Edinburgh Triumph , the bike cost £14000 new and 6 months later with just 3000 miles on the clock the same shop offered me just £7000 for it when I tried to trade it in for a Triumph Speed Triple, I stupidly thought that the shop would be giving me the Speed Triple plus a few grand in cash back but no I was wrong they wanted me to give them £4000 cash plus my Rocket 3, I could have punched the dealer on the nose that day, I was totally sick and never have went near that shop again. So it is not just BSA although this bike is made using cheap Indian labour and budget parts and has nothing in common with the original British Goldstar of the 60s. This bike will be worth nothing in years to come just like the Enfield's out there £4000 -£6000 and a year later being sold on Ebay for £2000 or offers. The Triumph Rocket started to corrode badly after using it just a couple of times during the winter especially the exhaust and engine cases and forks and the Triumph dealership were not interested in the bike, just kept passing the blame onto the rider. So beware when buying any new bike.

[@movieknifedude3265]

I bought a Norton. I had an issue and within 2 days I had Norton on the phone, they collected the bike and took it to the dealer, repaired it and returned it within a week and gave me the number to call with any future issues.

[@MotoTingle]

@@movieknifedude3265 quality! For me BSA and Lukas Distribution left me to rot.

[@jfro5867]

However there’s a number of owners on the Norton forum who’ve had a miserable time with faults and lack of interest shown towards fixing them. I was genuinely interested in a Norton myself but there’s way too many going wrong. Your 2 day problem sounds about right.

[@rochmel1409]

Luckily you. I unfortunately bought a 2012 961 four years ago. It broke down 9 months later and has been with the dealer ever since as they can't seem to fix the problem.

[@MotoTingle]

@@rochmel1409 Nooooooooooo

[@movieknifedude3265]

@@rochmel1409 that's a Garner bike

[@surak1841]

I don't get why people buy a new bike that looks like it was built in the 60's when for the same or less money you could have the real thing and all the class that goes with it.

[@MotoTingle]

At the time of release of the modern BSA, it disrupted pricing of vintage ones. Prices plummeted. Two years on, I am now seeing vintage BSA’s trading at very healthy money and the modern one discounted to £4,995 RRP - oldies I talked to wanted maintenance free, no kick start and as easy experience. Myself I’m not old, old 😂 but I didn’t realise modern motorcycles could have such issues. Now I can’t sell it. It’s just ridiculous

[@MrLeeflemwell]

Because people want to ride and not tinker.

[@arthurramm8664]

Tell me where you've seen a 1960's Gold Star for £5k in the last twenty years. I did own one of the original DBD34s and believe me it was the most inconvenient bike I ever owned.

[@surak1841]

@@arthurramm8664 Who said it had to be a gold star? Bit of a leap there.

[@robertc4257]

Rubbish, if you think that you can buy a genuine BSA Gold Star for the same price as the Indian made doppelgängers let me know where they are and I’ll buy all of them.

[@bsabiker-d7z]

When there was talk of bringing back the brand I was really keen to get one (I have a 1960 BSA A7SS which I bought secondhand in 1967) especially as they were trying to get out a new single cylinder bike looking like the old Gold Star. Luckily there doesn't seem to be any BSA dealers in my part of Spain so getting older and weaker I traded in my 2017 T120 Bonneville for a Royal Enfield 350 Classic. Yes it's slow but it ticks almost all the boxes for me. Thank you for telling me about all the troubles with the 'Gold Stars' I won't be looking at them the same again.

[@MotoTingle]

I talked with the Director of BSA. He regaled me with R&D stories and I totally believed it would be a quality product. The 2024 models have machining issues on the heads so plenty of top end rebuilds going on while influencers are “all problems are sorted” 😂 - my videos are real ownership experience. Check this out, I had my 2024 health check. And had to Trailer my BSA home as it somehow suffered a battery failure overnight. What! Editing the video right now

[@dayvidmathews1182]

@@bsabiker-d7z your loss my gain

[@stephennewell6628]

Like you my dad had a BSA back in the day, he also had a Bullet, and I loved the fact I could now get a new BSA. You just clinched it for Royal Enfield. Thank you for your advice.

[@MotoTingle]

Royal Enfield owners all seem really nice, this BSA lot, if you have an issue they disown you. You should see the FB Groups, any mention or question of a fault and your out the door. Enjoy your RE!

[@fredjones8791]

All old bikes overpriced

[@DaleArnold-u3h]

No relation to dad's BSA, apart from the stolen badge 😂

[@caahacky]

But that's why you only paid just over 2 grand for it. Forget the warranty, fix it yourself and enjoy the bike you always wanted. Doesn't sound like the warranty is worth a damn anyway.

[@MotoTingle]

@@caahacky Agreed, supposed to be a worry free 4 years, erm… 😂

[@andycapp8843]

Have to agree with you, if the price paid is so low, the question has to be why? For that money, if you actually like the bike and when it’s running the ride is enjoyable, part of ownership is getting to know the machine and understanding how it should work and if it isn’t, swinging a spanner. I bought a Chinese motorcycle unseen, for not a great deal of money at all but had done some research on the model and the company and wearing my pessimistic hat went to the dealer to collect thinking “what have I done!!!?” Longs story cut short. Back at my garage. Stripped the thing, put grease where grease should be and rode it……absolutely enjoyed riding a big thumper again after many years of twins and multi’s. Now traded it in for another of the same brand but I actually made a small profit but because I bought new and it’s Chinese I know it’s value will drop like a lead weight. Providing it doesn’t fail, I will keep it for another three years when I doubt very much if I will get an affordable insurance premium it it ride it or my other Japanese bike due to my age. The point of this is? The BSA Gold Star was a dream purchase for practically nothing, therefore you made a punt, knowing there was a risk and now you’re capitalising on that error by producing a video to support your channel and future income stream. You can’t have it all ways. It’s as if you are pleased things have gone astray and able to capitalise on your misfortune. Many producers of YT videos run short of new material and produce anything at any time for whatever reason and I’m suspecting this is possibly one of those. I bought the first Chinese motorcycle on the understanding that I may have bought the proverbial pup!!!! I was prepared to lose some or all of the money but my eyes were open at all times and if nothing else it would give me something to play with in the garage. Happily all went well but the future may be different with the new bike but that is life. You are the author of your own destiny.

[@MotoTingle]

@@andycapp8843 Owners have said to me "I dont care if its depreciated, I am happy with it!" which is a BIGGEST lie anyone can tell themselves. You buy a Watch or a House or a Car and it looses most of its value in 12 months, whats the point? SHould have bought a Casio not a Fake Rolex

[@andycapp8843]

@@MotoTingle The biggest self administrated lie is to buy a motorcycle thinking it will be an investment at best and depreciation minimal at worst. Look at the industry, it’s in decline, youngsters struggle to either get motivated into get cold and wet for fun when they can sit in an air conditioned box and the cost, not forgetting todays yoof will want bells and whistles. Illogical to compare a house or watch for instance as motorcycles as property and a genuine Rolex rarely if ever depreciates whereas motorcycles most definitely have and will do in the future. You cannot roll up to the Greasy Spoon on a Rolex or semi detached des res take a picture and send it to everyone on the table with you and then forward to FB to all and sundry. There will be major changes in the motorcycle industry in the very near future as older riders take their final ride and costs continue to rise, when the majority on average incomes feel the squeeze and release some or all of their collection. The Chinese and Indian manufacturers will enjoy a short term opportunity to capitalise on this with only the fittest being able to survive…..and they will. Dealers are closing, profit margins are slim, quality mechanics are as rare as hens teeth, the internet will strangle itself through its own success with many on line traders collapsing. Witness the NEC Bike Show last November…..you could walk around, look at the stands, without the fight of yesteryear with many of the usual traders absent…..one guy was selling settees, that is how desperate the organisers must be to sell their displays. Bikes bought in the blast 5 years will never become classics, they’re out dated now being computers with wheels. All is not doom and gloom however, riders/owners have to change their outlook and accept their pride and joy is a (rapidly) depreciating asset, ride the things, learn how to fix and service, budget carefully and accept it as a barely affordable luxury….for many. Keep the big round rubbery things south, enjoy the full English and help the industry survive.

[@robertc4257]

Exactly what I would do.

[@juliecharlton5182]

Its a real shame that some of these bikes have had issues. There are a lot of us who have had no issues and love the bike. Mine was one of the first batch in the UK. I’ve toured with mine in all conditions and it’s never missed a beat. The resale value is not a good indicator of confidence in the brand, but if you look on other forums for new models, every brand has some initial niggles and its how the dealers support their customers in the early stages. There are some very good BSA dealers in the UK. Mine’s a keeper!

[@MotoTingle]

@@juliecharlton5182 Agreed, if you are near and have a good dealer you’re in luck. I have waited five weeks just to get my bike in. BSA/Lukas have offered zero assistance. I agree, residual prices show peoples confidence in the brand. How are BSA to improve? They can’t even trace the shifts that build the Friday bikes as they are not working to ISO standards, later this year they are implementing a barcode system for parts, woohoo! Probably to help prevent thefts internally. I’ve been watching the socials of the staff at the factory and it’s a real eye opener

[@fjrboy]

I love mine, no problem

[@kevinmurtagh3434]

We all want a bargain, no way are these that cheap….

[@fjrboy]

@@juliecharlton5182 well said....no issues with mine either...you can visit Ducati, BMW etc forums and they are filled with moaning owners

[@barriewilliams4526]

Wife's 2019 Honda Rebel, 24,500 miles, zero issues! My 2021Yamaha, MTO 7,750 miles, zero issues! Sort of says it all......

[@MotoTingle]

Swap! 😂😂😂 I believed the director of BSA when he told me stories on R&D that it would be a quality product.

[@barriewilliams4526]

@@MotoTingle A local dealer tried to sell me one, and I must admit, I was taken by the looks, but I'm glad I stuck with a well established Japanese brand. Good luck with your Goldie.

[@MotoTingle]

@@barriewilliams4526 I should have bought a Kawasaki W800, but EVERYONE told me the problems were all fixed with BSA Gold Stars, all the owners groups and influencers, so I gave it a go, full of regret...

[@SamWaide-t6r]

Not really riding motorcycles from 1970 90cc to1400cc few back problems so along with the bsa I bou a yamaha tricity 300 yamaha quality dead on 20 miles on it every frame weld was rusty 100 miles a dangerous fault in the stand assist put it along with every one sold of the road three attempts by yamaha to fix the fault which caused some deaths across the world took a year before it was sorted so let's no pretend it's only bsa that has problems

[@peterwait641]

A lot of Jap bikes have poor quality voltage regulators that don't last unless you put fan and heat sink on.

[@pw601]

There's an old saying " Never buy the first iteration of any bike" This should applies doubly to a New Marque. I thought that Post air head BMW bikes were bad in this respect with marketing overriding good engineering practice mostly driven by the car division. At least the BSA didn't cost £20k. While the depreciation is a high percentage of the sum paid and it's annoying, fix the problems even if it invalidates " the warranty" and ride the bike for years to get value. Depreciation only affects you when you sell early.

[@MotoTingle]

Yeah, nobodys going to buy mine, upcoming videos will show you more

[@nosek1d]

Thank you for producing this Vlog and although I am not interested in owning a Gold Star, I am really pleased you made this video which for me highlights how fake a lot of other Vloggers are. I think it was very brave of you go be so honest and I can probably guess the names of the other Vloggers you are referring to. Due to your honesty I will be following your channel more often. Once again thank you for posting this content, great work mate.

[@MotoTingle]

@@nosek1d it’s not been easy, I got zero help from BSA, Zero. They don’t even have a factory that can track back which bikes are affected to which shift built them. No way I just bought a random bike that just happens to be bad. No way. I should buy a lotto ticket I’m that lucky. Cheers!

[@nosek1d]

​@@MotoTingleI wish you the best of luck with getting it to where you will be happy.

[@MotoTingle]

@@nosek1d Cheers!

[@Trev350]

I know two guys with Royal Enfield Meteor 350s... One currently at 26,000 miles, one at 30,000 miles. Zero issues on both. Enough said.

[@MotoTingle]

Your making me jealous 😢

[@SteveBernard42]

The J platform Enfields are becoming legends. My Meteor 350 is now my go to bike, I’d confidently ride it anywhere.

[@winstoniofarana7720]

Yes but these bikes do not hold their value, you can buy them new now for under £3000 so that people who paid £4000 for one a year ago will lose £2000 on it a year later, there are sone of these bikes just a year old with low milage on Ebay for under £2000 now so what will a 30000 mile one be worth, just a few hundred me thinks, Royal Enfields depreciate at a worse rate than this BSA.

[@Trev350]

I'm stuffed then... I've got two! Hang on... No I'm not .... I'm not selling either of them, so none of your info applies. And as I work in sales at a Royal Enfield main dealers, I generally know exactly what most bikes are worth. And that includes the BSAs too (gulp!) But thanks anyway. 😊

[@prep4evac]

Sorry to hear all this, no biker wants that. Fingers crossed for you it gets sorted soon

[@MotoTingle]

Yes, its a real shame, Thank you.

[@rodbowes5309]

The first owner presumably didn't get the full £2200 for it either! A major red flag for me would be that he was prepared to walk away from ownership with a loss of at least £5000..

[@MotoTingle]

He got the full asking price of £2,200 - Its not a red flag if you can but at £3,000 from dealers

[@lynn13100]

Hi sorry that you’re having problems with your Goldstar , by watching your video I can see that yours hasn’t had the recall to the the head light bowl , when you turn the stearing the loam is to tight . One thing I would recommend before purchasing a second hand goldstar is that it’s had all the upgrades. I do believe that some of the BSA dealers do not give a good service your bike should not of been sold before it had been updated. I can recommend a dealer in Devon that actually cares and that is Bridge Garage Exeter. The Earlier the engine number the less chance the updates have been done (the engine number is stamped below the gearbox casting ). I have a few bikes on the road Triumph t100, HD softail and the BSA and I love the bike it’s got so much character and is so much fun to ride . If I can be of any help then contact me .Alec

[@TheKRU251]

Stuart Fillingham on YT. I came to his channel regarding Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 content. Lots of good stuff. I bought one. Love the Interceptor. Now he has a BSA G.S. Hmmmm. I don't agree with his view of it at all. I have actually met an unhappy owner of a BSA. So, this honest review was super to watch due to the honesty and great presentation. Thank you Alex !

[@MotoTingle]

He really doesnt like me. Wasnt he telling people not to buy a BSA then bought one? - I am after a classic BSA so when this one brakes down ill bring out the classic, Haha! an A10 is the aim.

[@TheKRU251]

@@MotoTingle "Aye Up" well I am sorry your dream turned into a nightmare. Think I'd stuff their terrible warranty, take the headlight etc off to find the loom pulling fault, video off it all to help others out and ride the damn thing ! I also have an R.E. 2003 Army Bullet 500cc. Had it since 2007 ( picked up with 400 miles on it). Cast iron barrel, right foot change. Twin leading shoe front brake. Known as "Harry" ( Enfield). My 'British' bike. Love it too but one has to fiddle with it being 'Old Skool' design !!!

[@Paul630sqdrn]

I remember looking forwards to seeing the new BSA especially when the CEO said that they wanted to start building them in the Uk.

[@MotoTingle]

Me too! He had me convinced it would be a British built motorcycle. But it’s made in a Jawa factory with appalling quality control. I heard the director is seeking funding for a UK factory, Mahindra won’t foot the bill. They can’t even trace bad batches as they don’t use a barcode or any system that helps them identify which shift made what bikes

[@easy4x4]

Unless you have a lot of money, ALWAYS BUY 2ND HAND. I tried one today at the dealer near Barcelona on some moutain twisties (pretry spirited knee out cornering) and a bit of motorway and I want it. Brilliant engine and handing. Got it up to 160KPH. Blows the RE Classic 350 out of the water. It's got 2000kms on the clock. It cut out a few times at traffic lights and the there was something slightly out with the clutch lever/cable. So, you're right. Issues need to be sorted. The Legacy is nice but the tank should be totally chrome, so my pick is the cheaper Dawn with the black stripe. BSA Spain have this model at 4499 euros + 300euros registration costs. 4799€. Discounted by about 800€ UNTIL END OF NOVEMBER, however, I'm gambling on the price staying the same. So will not take the bait. There are NO 2ND HAND BSAs in Spain right now!!!! But they are being sold in small numbers, so I'll wait for a desperate seller some time next year. My view is that at 5k€ these are a brilliant price quality ratio and for 2200£ even with probs that's excellent value, cause it's a fabulous bike. I filmed and checked it over carefully. Lovely styling, love the clocks, switchgear is usual quality, paint and finishing OK FOR THE PRICE. I hope they have fixes for the bike. I asked the mechanic if he'd taken a course in BSA mechanics and he said no, they send info and videos from Madrid !! Yep, so quality servicing, knowledge and parts is also a worry. Next year the saleman confirmed that there's a BSA Scrambler coming and more investment in the brand. So, buy 2nd hand and Buyer Beware and forewarned and you have the best British fake classic available. So excited... and I just can't hide it... I know I know... 🎉😂😅

[@MotoTingle]

The scrambler is going to be a big hit for sure. Good prices too. Plus your weather is far superior to ours. Viva la Espana!

[@easy4x4]

@@MotoTingle the weather is one of the big reasons I'm here , low 20s in November, the bike season is just beginning 👌 🙌 👍🏼 let's hope the quality on the Scrambler is better 😬

[@darkdestroyer6634]

A 650 single blows a 350 single out of the water? Well I'd really hope so.... However, as many of us found out riding old British bikes last century, a 650 twin is a much better option than a big single. Smoother. faster. easier.

[@easy4x4]

@@darkdestroyer6634 Once you choose the amount of power you need, and I'm at the stage that less than 50CV is fine, it's a case of which bike do you like best, personally. I'd also be happy with a 650 twin, but I think I'm as fickle as the next person, and once I have the power I need it would be down to comfort, and looks .... 1st world problems I admit.

[@RedfordBaron]

I thought this would happen with prices I've been tempted but been following your progress and I'm not so sure now even at £2200

[@MotoTingle]

@@RedfordBaron I think mines worth £1.950 to be fair. It’s two things, Zero help from BSA and the owners who are “I’m alright Jack”. I’ve noticed two of the top influencers have let their BSA’s go. Rhumors are they had issues but carried on promoting for views. Shame they wouldn’t tell the truth. I’d respect them more

[@r0hon]

I went to buy one in NZ dealer would no trade my 1987 gb400 at any price, so went to dealer who traded my bike on a 2022 Honda shadow - got the feeling I dodged a bullett

[@richardjames2775]

Hi .... I had an identical electrical issue years ago with a Honda 550 four. It ended up being that when the wiring loom was stretched around the headstock when the bars moved the wires pulled on the sprung loaded electrical connections in the block under the ignition switch and stopped the connections. Power would return when the bars were straight. Hope this helps narrow down the problem

[@MotoTingle]

@@richardjames2775 yep, that’s the issue!

[@robertbaylis9714]

I think they are an awfull clumsy looking bike that really doesn't deserve the name Gold Star. Thats either a sick joke or massive insult to the BSA workers of years ago.

[@marksimpson4363]

Mr Tingle strikes again with brutal honesty and facts, nice one Alex 👍

[@MotoTingle]

@@marksimpson4363 Need to do better on my audio. Thanks. Seeing a few die hard BSA influencers changing to other brands. Had their bikes for a few months, yet raved about them in videos 😂 yeah, I’m unlikely to sell on a brilliant machine.

[@jerrywines382]

It's a real shame that yours still isn't fixed as it is a cracking bike. I reckon your best bet is to fix it yourself. It's either the loom routing putting stress on a connector in the headlight bowl as you turn the bars to the left, or less likely on such a new bike, a broken wire in the loom at the headstock bend. Taking it apart and carefully investigating won't affect your warranty, so it's worth a shot surely.

[@MotoTingle]

I just didnt want to invaluidate the warranty, ill do a video on it to show everyone

[@caahacky]

@@MotoTingle Warranty doesn't sound like it's worth bothering with.

[@Phiyedough]

I have been a big BSA fan for decades but would rather have my old Honda XBR500 than one of these. They remind me of the toy motorbikes on merry-go-rounds.

[@MotoTingle]

Wait till you see my wiring looooooooom, stretched.... New video on it soon

[@LordTarbicus9497]

Mine went back after 6 months and just a week after the first 500 mile service Constantly cutting out , fuel pouring over exhaust and plug I got £4K back against another brand . Took the hit on the loss of money but when you look what 12 month old are fetching I’m happy to be rid.

[@MotoTingle]

Yes, I’ve seen videos of petrol pouring over coil packs and more horrors. If they only got Quality Control right, we’d all be enjoying our BSA’s - Noticed three KZbinrs suddenly changing to Triumph from BSA after what I can tell was about five months ownership, they have the bikes glowing reviews too. I wonder if they even paid for the bikes as none of them mentioned any kind of depreciation

[@daweshorizon]

A respected dealership in England I know of has cancelled its BSA franchise because of the number of warranty claims. Basically, the 'Gold Star' is crap. Love and peace.

[@dayvidmathews1182]

@daweshorizon your wrong, of course. They cancel like the bsa bosses did in 1972 ! Hay ho, you dont learn from history 😟

[@daweshorizon]

@@dayvidmathews1182 I am fairly confident about my knowledge of history and I can write a post that actually makes sense in the English language. I don't understand what point you are trying to make here. Sure, the BSA/NVT group went bust years ago and they certainly made their fair share of unreliable bikes. I was commenting on the India-made BSA revival of the 650 Gold Star. Because of so many warranty claims and because it is something of a 'niche' bike' are contributary factors explaining why many dealers won't take this bike in part-exchange. If you have one of these bikes and it works for you, then I'm glad. But I think the new BSA company has some homework to do. Love and peace.

[@davidmiles9016]

Indian workmanship! My Japanese 50cc 2 stroke scooter, 37,000 kilometres, no issues. My Kawasaki W800 23,000 miles no issues

[@alancousins846]

It’s not just BSA, any new bike is undergoing massive depreciation at the moment because bikes in general just aren’t selling. You only have to look at all the offers available trying to tempt you to buy a new bike. Large motorcycle dealers are closing down everywhere because there aren’t the sales to maintain their flashy chrome showrooms.

[@MotoTingle]

Yes, and people are only just finding out like it’s a shock. Dealers I know have been struggling since covid and have struggled on then collapsed

[@fredfish4316]

Well, sorry for your trouble. I bought an RE. Never missed a beat. Really fancied a BSA but thought 650 single is a speedway engine.

[@has4896]

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[@MotoTingle]

Well, thats a perspective for sure

[@ChrisParrett-qo4sx]

The largest factor contributing to the new Gold Star's depreciation is that the company have drastically reduced the official basic retail price of the new bikes. Royal Enfield 650 twins have also suffered a dive in used bike values since RE ditched their original importers/distributors (MotoGB), who then heavily discounted existing stock (but not as drastically as BSA's new bike price drop)… Of course this is of no matter to those of us with no intention of selling. My Interceptor (bought new in 2019) is still the best £5500 I've ever spent.

[@MotoTingle]

@@ChrisParrett-qo4sx I agree. Royal Enfield are making some bold changes but they have a lovely customer base, the riders are friendly toward each other, you buy a BSA and unless your telling the world it’s the best bike ever, your shunned by other owners, kicked out of groups by admins, you either town the line with BSA or reap the distain. Me, I wanted a BSA so much. I’ve bought £750 bikes and covered miles, been keen to post them on my media for friends and family. Owning a BSA, it’s missing from everything but KZbin. I feel if I had RE and went to my dealer with issues I’d be dealt with and it would be well underway.

[@ianw3294]

@@MotoTingle Had my RE Interceptor here in Australia for over 4 years. Absolutely no issues at all. After riding Jap bikes for 50 years i am so impressed with RE.

[@TheSkeptic-lz2cc]

Tracking down and repairing a dodgy wiring problem that is obviously involving power to/from the ignition switch should not be a very difficult thing to do one's self. That is what I would do, thus readily/quickly achieving a perfectly running motorcycle.

[@MotoTingle]

@@TheSkeptic-lz2cc Invalidates my warranty. So if you look to the future, gearbox issue maybe, no warranty. I’d be safer not to touch any defects right now

[@TheSkeptic-lz2cc]

@@MotoTingle Since the dealer won't fix it you have a very big and heavy paperweight. Personally I would just fix it myself and if that invalidates tranny warranty then to h*ll with BSA. If the bike is any good you shouldn't have major problems.

[@MotoTingle]

@@TheSkeptic-lz2cc They kindly told me the hate BSA have for me in daring to make my videos. So no new loom for me. Well I’ll just stick to the facts and let the people decide. You know the dealership ain’t the issue here, they are as helpful as they can be. Wait till you see what I got as a patch job. Oh, it’s a mess. But saying that I still had to trailer it home. Let’s see what y’all think in an upcoming video

[@wheels2fun526]

Here we offer the first three services free of charge. Usually until you reach 10, 000km. Would a dealer in the UK get in trouble if they did they? Why don’t they?

[@MotoTingle]

Thats Amazing!

[@wheels2fun526]

@@MotoTingle I just sent you an email on out BSA situation.

[@ChrisMason-q4w]

I had the same issue with an 18 plate Triumph Street Cup wiring loom,i was told the loom was too tight and it chaffed around the head stock.Needless to say i went back to Japanese.

[@MotoTingle]

Crazy how such poor quality is acceptable. Doesn’t anyone at these companies take responsibility?

[@user-rf9me7xm1w]

I had the same issue with my 2016 street twin. It went straight back the dealer when delivered who bodged the repair. It lasted for a month and went back again and they also fitted the recall bracket which was supposed to tidy the loom around the headstock. After that, the electrical system was a lottery regarding what would work and what would not. Really exciting, sometimes I had indicators, sometimes, a horn and occasionally nothing at all. I swapped it for a Yamaha, no issues now, fantastic bike, lighter, faster and wahoo, everything works.

[@MotoTingle]

@@user-rf9me7xm1w I have Yamahas and know the joy of a working motorcycle.

[@davemonday5381]

Well you’ve saved me some money I’ll be giving the gold star an mis now thank you for that.

[@MotoTingle]

@@davemonday5381 Never say never. There seems to be an ownership path the the “influencer” community recommend. Which is to buy from an approved dealer. If you buy second user you become an outcast, just like me. I’ve been lanes a BSA hater and worse. It’s a wonderful ownership community. If you toe the line and say nice things they will leave you alone, show ANY issues or ask questions about an issue and they’ll jump on you like a ton of bricks. Goto the RE communities and it’s a very different atmosphere. Very welcoming and happy to see issues and help other owners with them.

[@peterk2455]

The photo you showed picking up your bike says it all. The connection with the city, of that 'BSA' motorcycle, is less than Miss Birmingham.

[@M15TERx]

Good, honest review. I've seen others mention the poor finishing, but I was not aware of other problems. For me a Royal Enfield is more authentic with their genuine heritage, build quality nowadays is excellent and dealer service too, been an owner for almost 2 years no issues. I also could not get past the fake cooling fins and radiator on the BSA!

[@MotoTingle]

@@M15TERx Thanks. I’ve an update video being edited. I’ve been accused of making a video for clicks but all that’s happened is it’s real, it’s what’s happening and it’s true, nobody can control the KZbin algorithm, it’s my experience of ownership and I stand by it. I’d BSA looked after their owners the owners would be counting “trouble free miles” 😂

[@TheDigger06]

Enfields arnt holding money either

[@TheBlibo]

Hi I was really looking g forward to the release of the goldstar after so long a time of putting the launch day off and now I am put off other than poor finish and electrical issues what else do they suffer from. As you paid so little for it is it not worth doing the repairs your self and forgo the warranty or is it a matter of principle

[@MotoTingle]

It’s not a bargain when others sell at £2.500 fully working. I’ve been offered £1,950 if I fix it. So it’s a loose loose for me 😢

[@paulblackfield473]

Thank you! I've owned several big singles and was very interested in this bike but will now avoid the BSA like the plague, I'll take my chances on the Mash 650 classic.

[@MotoTingle]

@@paulblackfield473 You’ll find influencers telling you it’s a fantastic product. And everyone’s going to have different experiences. For me it’s how issues are handled, how dealers are assisted with parts and payment for warranty work. I might go checkout some Mash 650 videos now, Cheers!

[@cerealtiller]

Are modern Royal Enfields any better than modern BSA's?

[@MotoTingle]

There’s RE owners in the comments who say Yes 👍

[@Lee-70ish]

Had my Enfield for 2 years . Aircooled simple lump and done all my own servicing from new. £300 quote for the first service ? Oil change and tappets check ? F off it took 90 minutes in my garage. Not worried about the 3 year warrantee one bit.

[@MotoTingle]

£300, man that’s painful. I have it thought as to look into the repair, given how young the motorcycle is and seeing a few horror stories I decided to go through warranty rather than risk loosing warranty, and then suffering a gearbox or top end issue and having no comeback. I know dealers have to pay their valued staff a wage and overheads, I know one of my local dealers is close to £100 per hour. And I bet the mechanic is only on £15ph, well done for taking charge and looking after your Enfield

[@coastalbiker]

Like you my dad had a bsa gold star and back then he said BSA stands for Best Shoved Along !!. I'm after a second bike and would love a triumph 400 x but no, promblems are beginning to surface on them so I'm going for a honda cl 500 to go with my tracer 9. All that said I hope you get your bike sorted and get to enjoy riding it and thanks for a great vid

[@MotoTingle]

I do like a CL, owners rave about them and the fuel economy is great. I like the single sided bags too, just helps set them apart

[@theodavies8754]

I would suggest the warranty is worthless. I bought a 25 year old Harley that happened to be at a used bike dealer. They wanted to sell me a warranty, I said it's not worth the paper it's written on. I wouldn't buy something I couldn't fix. I had a GSXR750j that had a wiring fault, I'd forgotten about it, ground wire to the kill switch meant it cut out on right turn. Frustrating because it would start at the roadside but cut out as I tried to pull back out.

[@Trevster65]

It’s not just bsa prices, trade in any 1yr old bike and you will lose around 50%, try to sell private and you might lose more. Too many bikes and not enough riders therefore supply is massively outstripping demand.

[@MotoTingle]

@@Trevster65 Although, some brands are faring better than others. Yamaha, BMW have strong sales, low depreciation. I hate all this theory that the UK motorcycle industry is going under. What I am seeing is manufacturers treating dealerships badly. Forcing them to invest tens of thousands in front of house there’s and forcing dealers to buy bikes that just don’t sell well. My friend just had ten bikes delivered he did not order and now has to sell in order to access the bikes he really wants. Plus manufacturers opting for solus no multi franchise dealerships isn’t helping. I’d like to go to a motorcycle shop, not a shop that also sells quads and jet skis 😂

[@Trevster65]

Wow was not aware of practices like this, let’s hope it improves.

[@MotoTingle]

@@Trevster65 it’s all going solus dealerships. Five years from now finding a multi franchise will be few and far between.

[@anthonyprice5596]

This is interesting, Stuart Fillingham has just bought one, it will kill them if he has problems he has big viewer numbers. I suspected it was too good to be true.

[@MotoTingle]

@@anthonyprice5596 I’ve seen a few of the top influencers who rode BSA’s change to other brands now. With no mention of why.

[@jujuUK68]

Fillingham's a twat of the First Order. If I sent him a turd in the post, with a label that said "This is a Royal Enfield", he'd kiss it, and probably try to wear it. If Triumph sent him a gold bar, he'd complain it wasn't a platinum one. His channel is unviewable, unless you've got the kind of low IQ that voted "Reform".

[@drdoolittle5724]

cos of his 'name', did they give it to him!!!

[@MickHargreaves-g7r]

Bingley Wheeler also just bought one

[@edwardwest5035]

He doesn't influence me.

[@RobRooster-u9n]

I see CCM are making bikes if you want a big single? I don’t know much about the new bikes, but I did have a CCM engine in a Wasp sidecar outfit in the late ‘70’s. It was effectively a big bore 620cc. BSA C15 / B50 with the “ Hand grenade “ effect tuning had on C15’s removed . It had a lot of torque but not much else, twins and multis were far more competitive, that said, it would pull a house down and was pretty reliable, it also had a 3 speed Close ratio box which took dogs abuse. Maybe if you want a thumper you should check CCM out? I just checked them out , it’s a Husqvarna engine now and starts at £19,000 /£24,000.

[@MotoTingle]

@@RobRooster-u9n I remember when they first started at £7,995 and the first batch sold out instantly

[@SameSh1tDifferentDrain]

Won't bother me I'm not planning on selling mine...love it too much

[@MotoTingle]

@@SameSh1tDifferentDrain I’m stuck with mine also, just a shame Lukas Distribution and BSA wouldn’t assist with my loom fault. Finding I’m mot alone, a guy had his two weeks old late month, now losing engine oil. I thought the build issues were over? Clearly not

[@SameSh1tDifferentDrain]

@MotoTingle I'm surprised by Lukas as they were really good with me with the cutting out issue....did you buy privately? Also the loom around the headstock issue is well known (mine had a new loom and a new engine before i bought it) what reason do Lukas give for not assisting you?

[@MotoTingle]

@@SameSh1tDifferentDrain They didn’t provide a reason. So I waited 5 weeks to get into a dealer and opted for a loom repair rather than a three month wait for a loom. Everyone said the loom issue didn’t exist on anyone else’s BSA. Like you it’s well well documented. I did buy second hand but 12 months old and 800 miles on it. Which shouldn’t leave an owner out in the cold just because I didn’t go to a dealer. It’s a shame.

[@jfro5867]

@@MotoTingle Buying the first run of any new model always is a gamble. In 2016 I had a brand new Triumph T120 Black, one of the first batch. The wiring loom on that was way too tight around the headstock when I turned the bars to the right, the clocks misted up badly, the front wheel was badly spoked. I put up with it for a short while then just got rid because it spoilt the whole thing for me. You are in a similar position sadly. If you hang in and get the thing sorted you’ve still had a massive bargain of a bike.

[@MotoTingle]

@@jfro5867 and that’s the thing, my bikes third or fourth batch to enter UK 🇬🇧 they made no effort to improve, which is a shame.

[@markthompson7843]

I nearly ordered and paid up front for one of these machines. Then thought I'd wait a while to see what would happen with quality and warranty claims etc. Luckily I found a RE euro4 second hand 4000 Km give or take on it, €4500. I've put 3000 trouble free summer Km on it. So far so good.

[@MotoTingle]

It’s roulette. And impossible for BSA to trace I’m guessing or they’d pull affected machines from sale for rectification. Instead they are sold and the towers have to discover is they are affected or not.

[@kevintracey4644]

I don’t own a BSA. I do like the look of the modern retro styling and there are several out there. There is a lot of negativity about the Goldstar on this review, mostly people saying they are not very good but with no actual explanation why? The MCN review is quite positive about the Goldstar, but the review does highlight a few issues (is there such thing as a perfect bike?). In my (some might say naive) view the bike looks good. The engine is tried and tested over a long period of time? Can anyone tell me with certainty and evidence, what is wrong with the Goldstar?

[@MotoTingle]

What's wrong is multifactorial. Most important is build quality, they have issues. Second is support, I received NONE, ZERO, NADDA. You would imagine having warranty would get any issues resolved but not with my experience. Bennetts did a review and BSA wanted nothing more to so with them, they mentioned picking paint off the fuel tank, which EVERY other reporter turned a blind-eye to. They are made in a Jawa factory that doesn't have any working quality control, so BSA can not trace bad batches back to the crew that made them. Influencers will tell you everything is great now (I am sure you've seen the videos). So, how did mine slip through the net? Went to a local dealer and two out of the four motorcycles for sale have the same loom issue my motorcycle has! I know exactly what to look for now and showed it to a huge BSA fan who I met up with, his bike luckily was not affected. Its like roulette. You gamble the bike you are buying is any good. Its 2024, we should just be able to buy working motorcycles.

[@kevintracey4644]

@@MotoTingle thanks for your quick and thorough response. I’ve learned a lot from it.

[@MotoTingle]

@@kevintracey4644 A pleasure. I do not hate BSA. I am just showing my experience of ownership.

[@1234567marks]

Shame isn’t it, it started with such enthusiasm, I test rode one and it was OK really, the rear shocks had no damping and pulling away in 1st it felt electronically limited to me, but once underway it was quite stompy and good fun, all bikes in the UK seem to be taking a hit value wise but when it’s possible to buy a brand new BSA for £4600 that decimates the value of older second hand ones, I might have one at some point when they are down to £1500 ish, or in other words “banger money” next summer?

[@MotoTingle]

I’ve been offered £1,950 for mine on the assurance I get it fixed, so I’m loosing money and commenters are telling me it’s cheap? Sooner I get this painful bike out of my life the better. In other news, I saw thee BSA influencers suddenly all buy Triumphs, now I assumed they had all sold their bikes but a commenter hinted they were long term loans. Blaggers! Might dig deeper and do an expose video on them

[@1234567marks]

@@MotoTingle I have to say I’ve become a big fan of Triumph myself, I’ve had a 1200 Thruxton for about 5 years and it’s been terrific, I recently purchased a 1200X scrambler and to me it’s the most enjoyable bike I’ve ever ridden (and I’ve had over 70 bikes), yes they cost a lot more than BSA’s or Enfields but it’s probably a case of “you get what you pay for”, luckily you didn’t pay much for your BSA and once it’s fixed who knows you might enjoy it?, although sometimes once a relationship with a bike is soured it sort of stays that way 🤔, anyway good luck with it 👍

[@MotoTingle]

@@1234567marks I love your upbeat attitude! Let’s see

[@BrianLesliePerry]

l cant help thinking that those who wanted that classic bike feel would have been better off with the real thing...Sure, you would have needed to do a bit of spanner work, maintenance etc...but thats part of the appeal of ownership....l built a 650cc Triumph 'Bonnie''powered Triton in the late nineties. New, and old/new stock to fettle her. the only real problem was a 'duff' magneto that was remedied by a specialist repairer....after which the bike ran perfectly. Had the added advantage it was already a classic so had lost most of its depreciation long ago.....

[@bitey6709]

About 25 yrs ago I bought a BMW 1100 RS . Found I couldn't live with it as a commuter so tried to trade it. The dealer looked up its value and the depreciation was horrific. Even the dealer was surprised. So I'm not sure that depreciation is a reflection of the quantity of the product. It's more about the size of it's potential market. If you like it, buy it, ride it.

[@MotoTingle]

@@bitey6709 I agree with you, some bikes drop horrifically in value, others do not. I traded a two year old Yamaha and lost £1,500 on what I paid. It seems quality counts for dealers and buyers

[@janewiggs3418]

If you want a BSA why don't you by a B40 or C15 or even a nice M20 istead of buying a modern cheap item with a BSA badge stuck on it?

[@MotoTingle]

I like this comment. I met the director of BSA who told me stories of R&D and what a quality product this would be. Owners and influencers will talk of “watchmaker quality”. That’s why

[@2ndcornets]

The A10 was/is a nice bike. Plus you can do all the work on them yourself. And the sound of that 650 motor .... will get you into discussions with every old codger that remembers the Ace Cafe and the girls who didn't mind riding pillion.

[@Free_Ranger_CT110]

I was always a bit miffed they weren't imported to Australia. Now I think that's not such a bad thing. I hope Mahindra gets behind the brand & works through the problems. The scrambler version looked good, but is it too late? For the people who own these bikes I hope it isn't.

[@MotoTingle]

@@Free_Ranger_CT110 You’ll get them soon enough. Enjoy! Just watch out for loom issues, top end rebuilds and nonsense from influencers telling you they are the “gold standard”. Everyone talks like the problem are over, I’ve had three emails from owners today which have issues. Here’s an easy one, the batteries, if you check the owners videos, they eat batteries. Yuasa being a top level battery too.

[@Free_Ranger_CT110]

@@MotoTingle I won't be buying one mate!

[@MotoTingle]

@@Free_Ranger_CT110 But it might be a good one. You’ll be missing out 😂 It’s a game of Roulette for sure. When we have influencers telling us what’s good and what’s bad, instead of the press. Red Flag 🚩

[@paulhoughtonhhoughton9188]

Sounds like you had rose tinted glasses on. should have gone and got your self a real beeza, (say an A7 brilliant bike, would still be going) would have been far cheaper and far more reliable as well,

[@MotoTingle]

Good call!

[@DanDruff66]

A brand new one at the new "lower" RRP of £4600 would be a great buy, "providing" this wiring issue has been sorted. At the price you paid for your bike, be patient, get the issue fixed (Under warranty) and you will be quids in, I feel sorry for anyone who bought theirs two years ago at "full" price. I love the legacy edition with the chrome finish.

[@MotoTingle]

Yes! Legacy for me too. I just bed on Red and lost 😂

[@Trev350]

Plastic chrome unfortunately

[@stevenbrownlee2875]

Admirable to see this, motorcycles shouldn't turn into lucky beans under warranty, but not just BSA. I've lost so much money on MV Agusta Aprillia, Guzzi and Norton to name but a few. We are seeing the end of motorcycling , dealerships in disarray cos they have flawed business models and are over leveraged. Very good video makes ya think

[@MotoTingle]

@@stevenbrownlee2875 I agree with you, having seen friends buy into brands that then don’t support production flaws. I was offered an MV but gave it a pass, nice modern machine but boy did the owner have a bad time. For me it was the “influencer” community all calling out that the brand was good and all issues were fixed. So I did my best to buy a good one, but more than this, when the manufacturer isn’t interested. That’s when you realise you’ve made a HUGE mistake. If you sing their praises they reward and treat you, if you should any signs of issues, your on your own. For me, even though it’s clear my bike needs a loom, they decided I’m not worth of one because of my videos, upcoming video being edited…

[@thehaggiscatcher]

When I saw one in the flesh so to speak I thought they are not a patch on a Royal Enfield. Cheap plastic parts all over it. The exhaust was not even properly finished off. Its a shame really as I did really fancy one. Nice video :)

[@MotoTingle]

@@thehaggiscatcher I’m disappointed with mine, I’ve had more use when buying £750 bangers than a nearly new bike

[@Banditmanuk]

A nice dose of the reality of buying a new BSA. It would scare me to think of losing the amount of cash your bikes former owner lost. Over 8 years ago, I bought my MT10 for a smidge under 10K new. I've done 40,000 trouble-free miles in that time. The bike is still probably worth 4K??, so its cost me under £1000/year depreciation doing 5,000 miles a year. Lets not add in the petrol cost 😳

[@MotoTingle]

I enjoyed your latest bike show video. My local BSA dealer have modes the BSA display to the second hand bikes section outside of the main showroom, they are the only dealer in my county, once they give up BSA my bike will be worth even less 😂 - I think it’s about to become my winter bike.

[@user-rf9me7xm1w]

Lovely bike, the MT 10. I downsized to an MT 03 after having numerous issues with one of the first 900 Triumph Street Twins. P.S, love your channel, only just found it and subbed instantly. Thanks for the info regarding Richard's send off. Spoken to him many times at Huggys bike meets. He was a lovely bloke and a sad loss to the biking community.

[@Banditmanuk]

@user-rf9me7xm1w Thanks for the sub. I was going to go up to Huggys one day, it was Richard who told me about the place. Hopefully, we will see you Friday morning for his send off. Sad times

[@henrysmith5604]

I bought the legacy version last year for £7,300 I traded it in after 2 months for a new triumph I managed to get £6,000 for it Mine used too cut out on occasions that’s why I sold it

[@MotoTingle]

You know how they fixed the cutting out? By increasing the tick over 😂 mine his 2,000rpm on occasion and I’m like “I’m not even touching the throttle”

[@andypaddon8531]

Went to Bridge Motorcycles earlier this week - a new 650 for £4999 - and it's relegated to the second hand section of the store. I was tempted previously but it seems to be a bike to avoid at all cost.

[@aceofspades5786]

GT in Plymouth had £800 off a line of them a few months ago. Has been a flop. If they stop importing can you get spares.

[@MotoTingle]

@@aceofspades5786I called GT and was told “we have stepped away from BSA” - GT Plymouth build race bikes, repair Ducatis and old Hondas, they have lathes and well trained mechanics. Yet they’ve stepped away from BSA, that’s saying a lot to me

[@MotoTingle]

I noticed this also, I looked at the bikes on sale, two had the same exact loom issue mine has! And two others did not.

[@donaldhipple4921]

Wire harness issues, common to Triumphs also. You can replace the harness $$$. That will Probably fix the issue but it is Not an improved part, and a repeat of the issue is more when then if.

[@MotoTingle]

@@donaldhipple4921 it’s not available to purchase as in back order, your right it close to one thousand pounds £. The issue was during installation at the factory, I’ll do a follow up video to show everyone

[@ozziejim8472]

Mate, I think you can service your own bike without effecting the warranty, as long as you sign the service book. I remember looking into that myself and legally you can, UK might be different but worth looking into. Good luck.

[@MotoTingle]

The exemption doesn’t cover motorcycles in the UK. I’m trade so I know this when anyone comes near me with a bike under warranty asking for service parts. I will fix it myself but seems mad as it’s under warranty

[@video3ish]

I have a ‘59 super rocket. I would happily head off on a 1000 mile trip in the next hour on it (with my simple tool kit) ..knowing I could likely fix anything that did occur. It’s my most reliable simple satisfying bike. It’s not a modern Indian designed / built bike that has 3 letters on it that has absolutely nothing to do with BSA

[@MotoTingle]

@@video3ish I am keen to own a classic BSA. Will you kindly do a video sometime and link me? So I could see your BSA? Thanks. Alex

[@johnbartlett8664]

Such a shame! To me, the new Gold stars look really good, promising another classic looking bike but with modern refinement and reliability. Now, it seems that it’s all gone horribly wrong. It doesn’t seem to be the basic design, but a question of quality control and customer support; two things which in this day and age should not be an issue for any company doing business internationally. At this rate, even if the company does get the issues sorted, it may well be a case of too late, the buying public will have lost confidence in the product. Once that happens, it’s all over.

[@MotoTingle]

I was super excited about their return and just had to have one. I waited two years to pick one up and it’s been a poor ownership experience. Seems I am mot alone given the amount of emails from owners telling me they sold theirs due to issues and the recent price drop. I’m looking to fix mine up and sell it on.

[@peteduch2151]

I understand it needs a radiator but why make it stickout honda 750vtwin hidden it much better

[@MotoTingle]

MK 1.1 variants have a smaller radiator, but the 2022, 2023 and some sold in 2024 have the larger one

[@SteveArnold-n7h]

Gutted for you mate you are a genuine guy! I feel the same way about Hinckley Triumphs I am an older biker into my sixties had Triumphs all my life the original ones although they had niggling little faults were made with quality parts, I loath turning up at the Triumph owners club with the now Thailand made products, these are not made with care or passion, they like your BSA are spread sheet motorcycles ripping off the names of the classic machines of yesterday, these are not motorcycles for riding they are for parking up and avoiding, buy Japanese if you want new always! Or the genuine stuff if you want BSA Triumphs and Like you will totally avoid disappointment fact ,

[@splodge57]

I have a 2020 Speed Twin 1200. Great bike, good finish and attention to detail. Wonderful engine and I've not had a single problem. I owned 2 Bonnevilles and a Commando in the 70s, really enjoyed them but times have moved on my new Triumph is a million times better in every way.😂😂

[@robertclark8891]

I have never considered the resale value of any motorcycle that I have purchased. You have done alright buying a second hand one. Expensive top model cars can depreciate even more.

[@MotoTingle]

@@robertclark8891 That's an interesting perspective! It sounds like you value the experience and enjoyment of riding more than the financial aspect.

[@750triton]

I talked a mate out of buying one on performance figures alone. I dubbed them "Old mans rose tinted specs bike", I'm 61 lol. Indian ones aren't a patch on the original on finish, let alone performance

[@MotoTingle]

Yeah, you should see the owners. All falling over themselves owning a BSA. Then the cries of hopelessness when faults occur. To be fair, I wanted one. But didn’t realise it’s not built like other bikes, quality components to a point, let down by poor quality control. And the influencers will say “all the problems are fixed”, I feel they are being told this like it’s a real truth. I’ll do a few more videos then I’ll try and sell this bike on, I’d really hate to sell a bad bike to someone though, it just ain’t a Good thing to do

[@750triton]

@@MotoTingle The Bonneville, Daytona, Blue Star, Silver star, Gold Star all earned their badges. They were road burners of their day. With the exception of the (Hinckley) Daytona, The new Bonnie and Goldie don't come anywhere close. I think I'd rather have the W650 or 800 as, by modern standards it's low on BHP, but it makes no pretences to previous glory

[@MotoTingle]

@@750triton Kawasaki W800 with bevel cam drive for me please

[@otaupdate3151]

I never loose money on any vehicles I buy. I have been known to lose loads.

[@Rosbif06600]

I bought an Interceptor this year because ..... nostalgia... It has minor rust spots on the exhaust and the clocks are misting up in the cold. Minor problems I know but 2 more problems than my 2011 Tiger 800 has had in 13 years ( yeah, ok, the Tiger header pipes have some rust). Triumphs are expensive, but the quality is undeniable.

[@MotoTingle]

Quality is the key

[@Biggles83]

@@Rosbif06600 i have the clocks misting up too on a cold morning

[@ianhalliwell8604]

I bought my Midnight black GoldStar on the 1st March 2023 for £6800 + otr making £7100 then I replaced the poor rear shocks with upgraded ones from tec for £88. My first service was an offer deal of £100. Due to a heart attack in May this year I've hardly used it and now have 675 miles on the cloc Tried a 9k Honda last month and was offered £2600 in p/ex, on a Yamaha i was offered 3 grand. The distributor i bought it from gave up selling them in January so he wasn't interested and the new Distributor didn't even answer my e-mail when i I asked about a Kawasaki they had. To add insult to injury i put it into ' we buy any bike's ' website and they told me they weren't interested in a BSA as well. The bikes OK it's BSA that are shot.

[@MotoTingle]

I totaly feel for oyu and FULLY AGREE> BSA and Lukas Distrubution havent lifted a finger to assit me with these faults. It should NEVER have been this way, BSA has superb investment and its being run by people that feel butt hurt that we the owners speak out with issues. Dealers know their trade, if they cant make money they are not interested, my local dealer says 80% of BSA's have returned for warranty work. Yes the infuencers are telling us life is good. - BSA will never see this but if they did id beg them to improve customer relations and step up to help owners. Valus would then increase as confidence is restored. - Truth is, they can not even trace who built what bike at the factory, later this year they are implimenting a barcoded system for parts. The issue isnt the parts! its the people making the bikes!

[@ianhalliwell8604]

I've had enough of BSA and although I've lost a load of money I've today negotiated a deal for Kawasaki Eliminator 500. It's an ex demo bike with just 29 miles so that's limited my loss.

[@MotoTingle]

@@ianhalliwell8604 Kawasaki are well engineered, I had a Z1000SX from new, 30,000+ miles and not a single issue

[@HaydnBrown-h3t]

BSA Gold Star. Which part?

[@MotoTingle]

The fuel tank badge is the best one on the whole bike. Everywhere else its stickers

[@J.Harry.T]

Great news for people that buy used bikes and actually ride them.

[@iantobanter9546]

Darcy bike currently back on Fleabay, £3300-reserve not met.

[@MotoTingle]

@@iantobanter9546 I think I saw it hit £3,600 once and reserve not met, then re-listed. Its a one off

[@Richard-pe4cx]

my T120 2016 model 2 weeks into ownership i needed a new wiring loom luckily for me i had brought from a dealer i dread to think how much that would have cost me my problem was the loom was too tight around the headstock so on turning the bars as you do caused 'issues' ! . i also have a BSA my first big bike i brought when i was 18 an A10 Road Rocket 57 with a 62 super rocket engine . good luck

[@MotoTingle]

@@Richard-pe4cx A10 is a superb motorcycle. Glad Triumph replaced your loom. I’m not being offered a new loom, I’ll do an update video on what I did get… It’s not good.

[@Zippytie]

loooks like you got a bargain , I rode the BSA soon after launch , but decided to stick with my Interceptor , 6500 trouble free miles , luv its limitations , not to fast , but fast enough , also have the scram , and early himalayon , again probably worth nothing due to new models surpassing them for demand , all the very best on your quest for repairs .

[@MotoTingle]

Yeah, well get it all fixed up. I do fancy a W800 to be fair, maybe one day...

[@buddhastaxi666]

I've had lots of bikes in the last 50 years. As examples of reliability...Kawasaki zx14 2006. Bought new kept for 15 years. 70,000 KMs. No issue. 300 km/h machine on low quality West Aussie country roads including dirt. Current bike is 1200 Thruxton. Bought with 2300kms a 18 months ago. Done 20,000 . Spent $2000 on fixing electrical issues. Lovely bike customised, especially front forks seat and gearing, ($1000), as it did not cope with wide open low quality WA country roads and gravel. As for depreciation, one example of "too much money", a KZbinr from Suffolk, sold his as new T100 because it needed new tyres and a service and bought the latest T100....Still one man's loss is another man's gain. It's not a Beeza, it's a simulation, "paper roses paper roses "tune in background. Even the Revived Norton appears to still be a prototype. Royal Enfield...? A mate bought a $12000 2022 650 for $9000. Rode my 1200 Triumph, traded the RE after 6 months of ownership for $7000 and bought a 900 Thruxton for $8000. I recently sold a top condition 1900 Yamaha for $12000 after 4 years of ownership after paying $11000 for it. Some bikes become icons and I believe one icon is the 1200 Thruxton. Get one and you won't worry about the electrical issues.

[@shanepenfold4742]

Yeah mate .wa roads are a bit harsh on bikes. Was on the Northam to Spencer's brook today. Nice ride.

[@davidwaddington9414]

where are they made ?

[@MotoTingle]

@@davidwaddington9414 India 🇮🇳

[@jaywalker3087]

If it's not Small Heath , it ain't a BSA !!!!

[@waltermatthews1155]

I so wanted this bike had a test ride, couldn’t get on with the clocks being at a strange angle, just couldn’t gel with bike, went to dealers only couple of weeks ago and brand. New down to 5k.

[@MotoTingle]

The clocks are from a Jawa 42. Influencers will tell you “they were specially created for the Gold Star”

[@BlackdogADV]

I wish they were in the USA so I could buy a lightly used one for $2,000. Also, my 2010 BMW 1200GS has over 100,000 trouble free miles on it.

[@MotoTingle]

They are coming to the USA, you’ll want to pull the tank off and reseating its loom the wiring loom at first instance. If it feels tight at the headstock, run away…

[@graantmnz]

at the end of the day it is not a BSA - its just an Indian concoction one off bike with a BSA badge on the tank that means nothing to 99% of those that know BSA's

[@andywilliams8636]

You lose the VAT at twenty percent and the dealers profit on the new sale to start with then probably fifteen percent depreciation, the first year is always the most and matket preception, so around forty to fifty percent in this case. As in all purchases, buyer beware.

[@davidmiles9016]

It would be helpful to hear what the issues are

[@MotoTingle]

@@davidmiles9016 see my other videos 👌

[@malverned382]

You can buy a nice actual BSA classic for less and have the real thing, something like a B31/33, would do all most "modern" riders do, ie day rides to events and meets, easy to fix, no need to be ripped off by dealers servicing, odd mark is no problem etc. I have a 1952 BSA 250, runs great, one lick hot or cold, fine for back lane bumbling, do maybe 1200 miles a year, never missed a beat in 3 years. PS, the new ones look gash with their fake pushrod tubes and stupid radiator / sensors and all the other modern cobblers.

[@MotoTingle]

While I was waiting to get in for repairs I’ve been looking a classic BSA’s and then the obvious thoughts of me riding the classic BSA while my modern broken one stays home were too much to take, a laugh erupted from my mouth just thinking about it. Two days ago I was offered a 50’s BSA and it’s still on my mind to get one.

[@UncleWally3]

To calculate the difference, be interesting to chart depreciation of all popular bikes. I’ve been riding for over fifty years, the only bikes that haven’t significantly depreciated are units that were bought pre-owned. The real loss, in my experience, resides with buying a new bike and loading it up with the multitude of factory accessories (up-grades?) and farkles that empty the wallet. Albeit, they do enable quicker resale. Bottom line - caveat emptor!

[@MotoTingle]

Fair comment!

[@peterparsons3297]

think the problem is they are not really a BSA and bear no resemblance to a Goldie, it may be a good bike but its pretending. im of an age were my first bike was a BSA C15, out of all the british bikes i liked BSA the most. i have owned a C15, B44, A7, A10 RGS replica and a real goldie. not just BSA but many of these companies are guilty of the same thing trying to ride the wave of nostalgia, if any the Kawasaki W1 is the nearest to a brit that is around

[@robx5205]

I can't see why you are moaning?. You saved £5000 for a bike you always wanted. You said you can fix it, so fix it and ride it knowing you saved a fortune. Service it yourself and throw the warranty away, I assume you knew of issues with the brand when you bought it. The previous owner should be the one moaning not you. Don't see the point of this, and no I don't own a BSA.

[@MotoTingle]

@@robx5205 what if I’d paid £4,000? This still okay? - I haven’t saved a fortune if it’s not worth anything!

[@robx5205]

@@MotoTingle But you didn't. !.

[@MotoTingle]

@@robx5205 You not getting it. Nomatter what I paid, access to warranty should be easy. But it’s not. I’ve had others try to P/X out of their BSA’s and dealers don’t want them, we buy any bike won’t take them. Thus the depreciation. If BSA looked after owners, these residuals wouldn’t be happening

[@chrisdowns3725]

Despite all of this, i too want a red bsa goldstar. My grandads last bike was a red bsa a10, and i have two classic bsas. And a new goldstar will complete my collection nicely.

[@MotoTingle]

@@chrisdowns3725 Time to roll the ball in the roulette wheel of modern BSA ownership, I hope you get a good one ☝️

[@robedmunds7163]

Same as RE really, they have low milage issues, you get what you pay for. RE have better dealers and it would not put me off buying one, just know what to expect.

[@MotoTingle]

Yeah I’ve had friends with RE issues where the faults have been rectified quickly. In my case Lukas Distrubution who handle BSA in the UK offered to “update the owners info”. They have seen my original review and are happy to watch me suffer. Which is crazy. What’s warranty worth if you can’t access it?

[@anthonydonnelly8419]

I test rode one when they first launch and on a twenty or so mile test ride I came away reasonably impressed and wrote a review to that effect. However I preferred the RE650 I had also ridden and have one of those. Looks like I have dodged a bullet if you don't mind the pun. I hope you get your bike sorted and start to some enjoyment out of it

[@Terence-e5k]

thks for heads up.i was gonna buy one.but not now

[@flat6fever680]

I had a BSA A65L aka 650 Lightning. We always said BSA stood for "Bastard Stopped Again".

[@MotoTingle]

@@flat6fever680 aww! 😂

[@carlbrnn5909]

I had an A65T Thunderbolt and can confirm your alternate acronym interpretation. But when it ran, it was fun. Eventually switched to a Yamaha XS2 and never regretted the move. Wish I still had it but it was traded in for a BMW R90S, which I still have.

[@paulbudford]

It's not just BSA though that has lost a lot of money. I know someone who traded in a Suzuki GSX 8. And got about half the new list price.

[@MotoTingle]

Wow! That’s gotta hurt