[EPIC] Games against Infi are amongst my favorites - WC3

[@insanity4462]

19:30 damn how he baited out the chain lightning with the one priest and then dodged the shockwave.

[@cykablyat867]

That was insane

[@NaouasT]

damn he really did that on purpose

[@joefebri3236]

You know it's a serious business when Grubby didn't have a presence of mind to shout out the donation/sub.

[@Milos111Zivkov]

Seeing Grubby struggle to defend the first attack is truly amazing, the man plays like a godlike being but then faced with an opponent of equal stature he faces a serious challenge. Great defense too, most people would just give up.

[@Milos111Zivkov]

That damned brilliance aura is so oppressive, the amount of summoned beasts it allows the beastmaster to produce, and what a spectacular way to use them for harassing.

[@ambion19]

The harass was unrelenting, made it a wild match to watch

[@Milos111Zivkov]

@@ambion19 Yeah, I was surprised to see the bear being used so, but it seemed like a perfect unit to bash some poor peons and their burrows. And those damned boars too. Worst thing is, this strategy is quite predictable once you see it happening, you can just expect more. Good on Grubby for having one or two shamans at his base and expos.

[@somebody-anonymous]

The quillbest coming in at 7:41 is such a threat. Excellent purge!

[@SamP-xb3mi]

I can't believe you're pulling all this insane stuff off like it's nothing and still lost. The skill ceiling on this game is so high it is mind blowing.

[@dark3031]

That's just the sad reality for Orc vs Hum, Orc's chance of winning the game is near 0 when it's dragged to late game. Even actual pros like Fly or Lyn couldn't deal with it.

[@LeoClinton8]

Spoiler comment fuk

[@TheUnkow]

Far Seer enables early advantage. Spell Breakers are just too great of a counter for him. Maybe Earthquake as a slow is a better option against them as the enemy was also keeping them pretty crowded. Wonder if Pit Lord or FireLord or Panda focusing on the non spell dmg or summon skills could help better. The Witch Doc. was a star. Still think that the key to Orc's success is outrunning and outpillaging the expansions of their human counterpart before the humans can launch a full final attack. Amazing game nonetheless.

[@dark3031]

@@TheUnkow Not sure if I understand you. Why do you sound like Earthquake is such an easy thing to get?

[@nick1177]

@@dark3031 your question has nothing to do with their statement. Nothing was mentioned about the simplicity but in the game referenced he did get to level 6 which is why he mentioned the spell.

[@winterfall_0]

Always love watching these kind of games where you can't pinpoint exactly, when did it go wrong for the losing side. It is purely a battle of micro and decision making where one side managed to came out on top

[@joefebri3236]

Human loves long fights according to Grubby lesson, and the opponent managed to do just that.

[@oliverspeiser5930]

Pillage was missing might have been a factor.

[@ambion19]

Turning point seemed to be right around when bloodlust was going onto knights. Grubby seemed ahead before that, but that was the first big rout orc saw. So many clutch AM saves too, and the mistake blizzards were brutal to watch. I know healing ward is rarely actually worth it, but once pala3 was out you could really see the attrition increasing. Not sure what the answer was - try to snipe the castle and deny human tp? DR or Tinker 3rd try to interrupt holy light AM saves? BL Bats? Crazy game, great skill on both sides

[@ambion19]

Midgame* blizzards

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

​@@oliverspeiser5930Pillage would have helped but not the decisive factor imo.

[@gorgeouszan]

The Beastmaster was such a smarter call than I first realized. He forced Shamans then forced them to be irrelevant at the same time by following up with Spellbreakers. What a nasty combo.

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

Am into bm is a standard human thing if they haven't expanded t1

[@somersault4762]

shamans were never irrelevant. They basically made BM useless. and stopped his peon harasses.

[@WRanger87]

Feels like he also could have gone walkers

[@somersault4762]

@@WRanger87 walkers are less effective than shamans against mass summons. And in the battle this would have made no difference. Can't link your units as well because of breakers.

[@aurorasun-qs1pg]

I would go mass hunters

[@keithchai8566]

that lvl 3 paladin is a game changer, human no longer get force out of fight because grubby cant burst dmg on archmage anymore. Simply cant compete at that point.

[@eugenekhoo990]

Its tier 3 human vs tier 2 orc. 3 vs 2 heroes. Breakers tier 3 counter wolves and Inner fire tips the scales.

[@ambion19]

Orc doesn't have a viable T3 here. BL goes to human, Tauren will be slowed and polymorphed into oblivion, blizzard handles fortified defenses.

[@TofuofLight]

The only worthwhile thing to get at T3 might be wyvern poison (he can’t hard change to berserkers there) But with 3 heroes and quillboar attack air the flying tomes are vulnerable too

[@keithchai8566]

@@eugenekhoo990 what u gonna do as T3 orc if u were in that situation

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

​@@keithchai8566unironically mass grunt walker raider seems the only way, with dr or tinker or shadow 3rd hero. This hero combination of fs/tc gets brutally cucked by the full human caster set up.

[@illfate757]

Infi with the super old school AM/Beastmaster strat. I feel like I almost never see humans doing this anymore. Was so dumb when Fortified defenses was Tier 3 upgrade and the stupid storm crow was 3 shotting burrows. Not everyday you get to see bloodlust and Polymorph in the same game.

[@Trinnuubear]

The constant fight for a third 👀 Also the anger management kodo beast at 25:50 ❤

[@joeschmoe3665]

What's so impressive is Grubby or these pro gamers are able to withstand an attack for so long without loosing at their base

[@Anolaana]

Yeah there is no way I would have held the 5:00 mark at all, that was amazingly slick.

[@jerviswinter3236]

Infi is really good at seiging multiple bases at once.

[@TofuofLight]

Once I saw the Paladin I know it was big uphill battle. Tier 3 humans with breakers hard counter all the casters and far seer. Grubby could only hero focus to force TP and even then INFI just comes back and over and over. It was a death by a dozen cuts. The breakers was also probably going around stealing Sentry Wards. GG still breakers OP LOL

[@Anolaana]

Yeah it really seems that by the time HU has T3 for that third hero, there's no going back. Plus the breakers and the Beastmaster were just an insanely perfect way to chip Grubby down. Well played to Infi.

[@kurzackd]

05:35 -- big MISS by Infi to NOT get that Spirit Lodge under construction !! :O _SHOULD_ have done so... :P Also *WTF at NOT killing SHOP at **13:35** ... O_o ?!* .

[@thuti4022]

Well played. Love to see that

[@JN_SoloDev]

Epic game, seeing Grubby´s army constantly half dead made me feel like master doctor training could have been helpful when he was already T3, but Grubby probably knows better

[@Tom-ou8cz]

breakers steal them :/

[@sdamer4609]

holy hell, that chat went crazy when Grubby blocked the golem, seems like they never watch any other wc3 at all for decades

[@Anolaana]

2:20 for the clip. Still an impressive creeping strat!

[@matias.pizarro.1005]

Incredibly intense! Well done Grubby keep it up!

[@CocacolaBoy83]

Very beautiful match👍, I will watch it over and over again to understand what strategies to adopt…especially to generate a win orc

[@AccordingtoVin]

It's a pleasure to be able to watch games like this, at this level. SH to control AM??

[@mikbravo]

bro the way he huddled up at the end lmao

[@rafaortwein6646]

Very even game! Nice battles.

[@znojnyj]

“Blue versus red” Pretty topical

[@guzziiw]

Feels like a transition to headhunters could be a good idea for the game. No MK makes them viable and grunts don't much damage after slow anyway.

[@egamestart]

Very nice game! Thought u were winning before 20 min. One question, why activate bloodlust instead walkers then he had already SB?

[@cheshirecatwes]

Hi Grubby, I'm a big fan of yours. Keep it up

[@dark3031]

Human and NE often hire goblin shredder after expanding. I wonder why Orcs seldom does this?

[@CssHDmonster]

god i love matches on non-4 goldmine maps

[@Anolaana]

Twisted Meadows did come up as his S tier map to interact with!

[@EvGamerBETA]

Oh, this is fresh. I mean for youtube Go, human!

[@mokacoffay2]

The 3am grub returns

[@TofuofLight]

Grubby is Dutch so it’s just afternoon for him lol

[@huntardhc2286]

Insane game. Seemed like Infi was just trading army in the bigger fights which resulted in more ressources lost and less exp for grubby in trade for a portal and potions. Would have trading back dmg on army been a winning strat instead of hero focus? Or does orc lack the dmg vs paladin aura and human upgrades+priests?

[@H25Invicta]

Truly [EPIC].

[@叶东俊]

Such a beautiful match！

[@SiBebok]

From zero mana, still getting a million blizzard 😂

[@moneyjarconcept4772]

A SH would have hexed and healwavw, combatting the 2 issues Grubby had - healing and the AM 's blizzard.

[@ambion19]

Maybe he was trying to rush chainwave up as fast as possible?

[@Anolaana]

I also agreed before, but coming back to this game after a day, it just didn't fit the game's tempo.

[@qodirovqodirov4120]

Hey bro i like your gameplay. Will you make any videos on the map called "Broken Alliances"?

[@SickRefleX]

Insane, maybe focus arcane vault more when you attack main, so his production is disrupted?

[@michaellarkin8049]

Was mass shamans thenright call? Obviously useful vs mass summon but how to you pivot into beakers and sanctum with orc?

[@Anolaana]

I'm just confused why we didn't see a third orc hero like Shadow Hunter aha, but I'm still a scrub lol

[@michaellarkin8049]

@Anolaana me too, love grubbies channel, haven't see many games play out like this with bulk breakers standing under zoned blizzard. Seems solid af

[@Anolaana]

Yeah! I'm sure he had a reason and the micro was amazing! But I didn't get it :(

[@TofuofLight]

Grubby was constantly on defensive and he mentioned multiple times micro ing a 3rd hero can be a liability. SH is extremely squishy and he was waiting to see what INFI 3rd hero would be (if it was a mountain king a bolt surround would delete SH instantly. This is kinda like a champion/ hero draft screen in MOBA to not get countered) Also I think grubby was waiting for the opportunity to even have enough money to feasibly invest into a 3rd hero as grubby constantly have to rebuild

[@Anolaana]

@@TofuofLight Thanks! Yeah looking back on it and the Farseer spotlight he released just after this one, it seems like he was also trying to keep up the pace in the early game and didn't think SH would fit the tempo of the match. And in hindsight, keeping the casters kinda makes sense because of the BM's summons continuing to stay on field. Shaman or Spiritwalker, both would have had the same problem.

[@Molucco49]

Hello grubby! I am a newbie and have couple questions :( What would be the counter for breakers? They seem invincible, Even if you would have killed the backline with Shockwave Chain lightning it seemed you still would have lost. Couple times you used chain lighting lv3 and I hit only 2 targets because there were only breakers, aren't they a perfect counter for TC FS? And wasn't it a mistake to go for bloodlust when he already massed breakers? And Sometimes, like here 21:10, It seemed usage of Shockwave was unnecessary. Shouldn't you perserve mana to kill casters?

[@alcatraz160]

flying units, and most t3 units, getting them in numbers is the challenge.

[@Anolaana]

Good question, I know Breakers are weak to normal/melee damage but that can't be the only consideration.

[@TofuofLight]

Breakers are weak to normal damage which grunts and Tauren do. Tauren on paper looks like a good investment in this game but in practice they will be slowed (and even polymorphed) and kited to infinity. Healing them up is also not feasible so grubby will probably have to invest into walker t3 for the Tauren revive which is soo much money and time that he just doesn’t have as he was constantly being attacked left and right. He did make a few grunts but they are also weak to slow and magic attacks from the sorcerers/priest. The other alternative is air and orc only has 2 air unit. You obviously don’t use bats unless opponent also has air so we are left with wyverns. A critical mass of wyverns could have changed the game but they are also squishy. All 3 heroes can attack air (beast master has orb of darkness and Paladin later got an orb of fire) along with lvl 3 quillboar. Even stray shots from human casters hurt wyverns a bit. Grubby was stuck in the back foot for a while and couldn’t attack infi’s base until much later. Grubby has the more mobile army (raiders and endurance aura) but couldn’t take advantage of it offensively

[@dark3031]

Orc has almost no answer to breakers, that's why all the pros struggle against it. You could get grunts or taurens all you want, on paper they counter breakers. However as you can see in this game, Archmage retrained to blizzard. Blizzard will shred all your grunts and taurens very easily. The only reliable counter to breakers, is blademaster. However, human will go for gryphon riders instead if you had blademaster. Human air units are even harder to deal with using Orc. Therefore, the current meta is still Farseer+TC, and try to end the game before human could mass up their breakers army. Or just get mass raiders and base trade all day, this army won't kill the breakers, but if you're able to get ahead in economy then you can win with bigger army size.

[@djn6962]

Infinite blizzard spam looks super frustrating. Infinite mana is insane.

[@LaPtaVerdad]

Its like he was doing literally 0 dmg to infis army xD

[@Jordan-ju8fu]

Grubby still as good or better than half the pros out there. He would def still be winning tournies if he practiced for them. Amazing game!

[@XtReMz98]

I feel like Taurens would be needed against breaker only to be spanked hard with the support sorcs/priest… was the counter to this Pitlord 2nd with mass zerkers?

[@johndoes6706]

I'am a complete newbie, so surely a stupid question, but why so many shamans and so few wyverns ? He's army was full magic immune without any anti air. It's the same thing as bears beat air ? Anyone may explains it to me please ?

[@Anolaana]

Seems like he needed the purges to fight BM hero's summons.

[@kurzackd]

03:10 -- Grubby really *_SHOULD_** have gotten* that Water Elemental... Just... too slow to react, I guess... :P .

[@SebastianLucky11]

Выглядело так будто Infi на релаксе играл)

[@dimitaraleksandrov6381]

Amazing.. this game reminded me of the WCG finals between Fly and Infi. I thought you would be able to pull it off with the secret expansion and surviving his T2 push, but when I think about it more, he knew about the expo and purposedly let you set it up so that he has an extra target for his quillbeasts.. Grubby the master of hte bace race style vs Infi the master of the human summons/casters style... Once he had level 3 pala I knew it was over, but it is so impressive you managed to prolong the game and make it seems close and competitive for so long! Twisted Meadows makes for such great games.. GG WP!

[@drowlerGER]

Human is just overpowerd

[@vosch8886]

Was focusing on am so hard a good plan after all?😢

[@MohamedIop]

i am not wc3 expert but it felt like you should've tped to your first expo instead of going for that altar, what you think grubby i feel like losing it ruined the game for ya, you had like couple of scrolls to take that fight too

[@mir3877]

The caster army Vs the breakers was a wrong choice

[@Anolaana]

Got forced into it because of the summons from BM.

[@znojnyj]

Troll priest is so troll

[@lukesexperimental.718]

How come shamans can cast bloodlust when neither blood nor lust are one of the 4 warcraft elements?

[@TofuofLight]

In WOW it was expanded that bloodlust is a combination of fire element and the fifth element of Spirit that shamans can tap into

[@attention_shopping]

lost temple starcraft lets go

[@GrafMKristo]

How do I deal with a frustration during a loss? There's no way human doesn't have it. So it's the matter of working with negative emotions. But how?

[@PallarN2]

Very epic

[@Anthology-k8d]

Why you went main on 25th for the sake of the altar meanwhile having a chance to protect your exp?

[@zeed54]

if grub would go pro now, how high could he go ? what do you think ?

[@justanobody0]

video before this infi is dodging me next video uploaded im playing infi

[@nccrussia]

Лучший бой за последний год!

[@peterbrad9727]

very good harassments from infi, especially the first wave. When his tech is ahead of you, all you can do is to kill his heroes in the battle field , you tried, but he protected his heroes well. It’s pretty close. The only miss I can find is when you both have money and also a large army but couldn’t kill each other, you need to fast tech to tie 3. He came on top because he is faster on that. Even a Tauren could change the situation.

[@xrsma]

how are you supposed to beat this :/ you played that soooooooo good

[@rlxrlps]

sh third to hex the am before it can tp

[@aurorasun-qs1pg]

Old infi would've built 100 towers

[@cartman5940]

Can some please reply how to play this?

[@andrzejok669]

Just start to douin upgrades unit

[@eddienee-k3o]

😆grubby doesn't know teching

[@wedarhex16]

GG

[@SpaghettiNoob]

I hate breakers so bad, so OP, so slow, so boring. And wyverns suck so bad to Mass them that casters and elegiggle would just counter them

[@Killcycle]

How to win this? As I see no real mistakes by you😢😮

[@hnsangel]

Nice

[@tylerh5435]

Grubby: "Bronze League players always rebuild their buildings in exactly the same position lol" ..... *Grubby loses shop, proceeds to rebuild it in exactly the same position*

[@bofpwet9500]

just another bronze player rebuilding the shop exactly where it just died! hihihihi xd

[@allendeleon4303]

taurens + demo would've won. Taurens + demo + raiders = op period.

[@Tom-ou8cz]

lol

[@dima1353]

I don't understand the logic behind your strategy, when he started countering your shamans and raiders, you just accepted it and didn't make the transition, although you had income from three mines. You like to say that Warcraft is not logical and damage types don't matter, but he beat you precisely by having those units that in theory are ideal for countering yours. Grubby, stop fighting with a bad army over and over again, even when you see that it doesn't work, it's painful to watch.

[@Anolaana]

I'm sure he had a reason! But as a beginner and not that he owes us an explanation especially because he was trying to focus, but I didn't understand it either. Breakers just seem perfect, they can't be hit by magic damage (literal 0% autoattack dps taken), they eat lust, they burn mana for extra damage; to me it seems like trying to use Flying Machines against ground or something. Zero breaks a lot of maths. I don't think the shamans were "bad," they had their uses for purge, but I also just didn't get why. The true confusion for me came when he tried to make Wind Riders/Wyverns which he said himself he doesn't like using lol (I guess maybe someone said Breakers can't hit up at air maybe?).

[@TofuofLight]

@@Anolaanabreakers can only attack ground with a small range, but INFI technically still have enough anti air from his 3 heroes (beast master has an orb of darkness and later Paladin has a orb of fire) and the quillboar summon (since archmage retrained to blizzard spam). Wyvern are just too squishy and orc has no reliable healing besides tier 3 doctors (and with mass breakers, healing ward can’t be use in battle as it will just get stolen)

[@dark3031]

The problem is Orc has almost no choice. On paper, you could say grunts/taurens will counter breakers. But War3 is not a rock paper scissors game. Even when your attack type counter breakers, they will be constantly slowed and blizzard-ed. Human can easily micro their army, pull away injured breakers, retreat when they have to, while Orc has to rely on speed scroll to do any maneuver. Against Infi, it's near impossible to kill a single breaker with grunts/taurens, you'll need raiders for cc, shaman for dispel.

[@Anolaana]

@@dark3031 Yeah for sure, looking at it in hindsight, the BM 2nd was such a clutch choice from Infi to force keeping dispels. It really upset the usual tempo that Orc seems to want in this matchup to close out the match. My thought would have been bulking out with headhunters but as you say, at a certain point of the match Orc doesn't have choices, just responses. Especially fewer choices towards the endgame.

[@re1ko]

auto slow, auto steal, auto heal, human ez mode

[@jonathandunbar7721]

goooooooooooooooo

[@attention_shopping]

farseer looks so bad

[@andrzejok669]

To the end of gamę 0 updates unit no taturen mas sheets no DMG units omg... 10000 apm dont change notching if strategy is shet grunt web ridera with 0 UPS with 2x expos ?? XD add 80 g you hev taurens 4 taurens pushed in this SB will be smash that brekers faster then his blizzard but seconda shop fight with taurens only on speed scroll duration 2x hero

[@attention_shopping]

gggg

[@pepoaudi8253]

Not a cool boring tp used over 10 avoiding it

[@sergejlol3277]

I hope grubby relises he was playing against me on off race rather thrn infy tho, im expecting a tittle change

[@Anolaana]

hmmm ;)

[@tomsoyer5639]

shockwave is trash

[@Wyti]

The chieftain could no way on earth get close enough to the casters to stomp them, and the spellbreakers are obviously immune. Shockwave cleared several expos in different instances as it annihilates buildings, and can actually reach the squishy backline casters unlike stomp.

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

I sorta agree, but it's more that arcane sanctum shits on orcs hard. Also wyverns suck balls

[@tomsoyer5639]

im picking aura over stomp or wave. dont know if its right but whatever

[@Jessy_White]

Классная игра. Grabby ты Легенда❤😊