Epic Struggle: Coal train starts off on Ardglen Bank. Wed 03/11/10

[@9035]

That is single line Rail Vehicle Detection territory and it is routine for loaded trains to be stopped there for a crossing. I have done it many times and there is normally no problem lifting the train on the grade with the bankers pushing. There is a tunnel just past the up starting signal at Ardglen, if you go into it too slowly the smoke overtakes you and you can't see where you are going. The line then drops down the 1:40 grade to Pages River and on to Murrurundi.

[@locojoe2004]

Great capture of this location. More trains of this nature at Ardglen would be a treat. keep up the great filming.

[@alanrushworth4872]

I love the horse galloping about in the field!

[@slepper98]

Put it on 2x speed, looks hilarious.

[@BoilerRoom4]

I remember reading many years ago that Super Series technology allows the wheels to spin no faster than 10% faster than track speed because that is the point at which maximum tractive effort (as opposed to pure traction) is being applied to the rail.

[@emd645e3c]

Trouble is....they still need to get themselves moving from a standstill. I seem to recall Super Series only kicks in at about 3 km/h or something, which is why they still dance and wheel slip when getting moving.

[@martihill3611]

Super series is a very, very advanced control system with many factors.

[@NoBody-ht1oh]

@@martihill3611 its older than jesus

[@johnmoore8016]

Each wagon holds around 100 tons each? I don't think the horse like all the noise that was going on. Thanks for a very good video. (Mississippi gulf coast, USA)

[@DLS95]

This Is some great footage, We don't see much Heavy freight here in Ireland, Pulpwood, Container, ore trains all hauled by GM diesels, but its limited to various sections of the country, it'd be nice to have more freight traffic!

[@davidphilips4637]

You need a bigger island first.

[@emd645e3c]

@locojoe2004 I don't know how common it is for them to stop a loaded coal train there. I thought it was a bit odd myself. I would of thought they'd of told him to hang back a bit and stop the empty going downhill. I'd like to see that move done on a frosty morning or in drizzle.

[@inyobill]

Why would the down-grade light train have priority? I suppose it's because where they were in relation to the passing siding?

[@MrEricmopar]

That horse in the background about 7min is gives a good chuckle. :D

[@ajo3085]

PacNat really did the 82 class no favours as they've repainted them. They look awesome in the old blue livery, not nearly as impressive in the PN colours.

[@MrAdrianc100]

I wonder why a downhill empty had right away over a loaded uphill as it's a lot of skillfull driving to get such tonnage going again on such an uphill gradient?

[@composerlecturer]

North and East-bound trains generally have right of way over South and West-bound. I don't know if that was so here, but probably.

[@stumpypetros2685]

RE: trying to use the power of the descending train to assist the ascending train. Pity they can't get a pulley system that matches a train going down with one going up like a lift counterweight. So it would be 2 track, pulley in the middle. The descending train couples its rear to the pulley, and the ascending train couples its front. The descending train is auto slowed by the ascending train, and there would be MUCH less effort, and maybe no pushers required. BUT many more safety risks.. you'd need pulley wheels that could handle 600tons, and km's of cable. Last thing I could think of would be to dump the descending regen in to the rails. connect the Down and the Up electrically. The Ascending train gets a boost from being able to pickup power from the rails. That's the only safe way I could think of for transmtting the power from one Train to the other..

[@emd645e3c]

@iceman977th . All my video's are in Australia. The line is not primarily coal, it sees all sorts of traffic. Other traffic includes containers, grain, and some Country Link passenger trains. The 82 class are locally built GM-EMD's using 12 cylinder turbocharged 710 engines. The 81's on the rear are older GM-EMD's, using a turbocharged 16 cylinder 645. The 80 class is an ALCO 12 cylinder 251.

[@formidable38]

Very strange, stopping a loaded 72 car coal train on a 1.40 grade is RR operational suicide and is normaly avoided at all costs, certainly would be in the UK and under normal circumstances everywhere else i would imagine. That was dam fine commendable effort from those loco's!

[@emd645e3c]

I couldn't help but wonder why the controller never told the loaded to hang back for the cross to avoid having to stop on the grade.

[@Nebs1]

This grade takes about 20 minutes to climb, most of the grade is single track apart from this section at the top. Controllers and drivers prefer for trains to wait at the bottom of the hill, but sometimes that just cannot workout for various reasons. Congestion mostly.

[@johnmoore8016]

I guess these power units have a throttle that goes to run 8 (likes the one in the USA) from a dead stand still do they start out a low power until the get the slack out of the cars and then push it to the fire wall and let it pick up speed as it goese along? thanks for a very good video and all the power unit working out.

[@iceman977th]

@emd645e3c So the 82's are more like F59/GP59 US engines, and the 81's are closer to SD40's. Sweet. Dunno about the 80's since most ALCO's are out of service or on shortlines here in the States. Still a great video.

[@cedude69]

Wow! That was quite an epic struggle alright!!

[@emd645e3c]

It's 1435 mm, or Standard Gauge as we call it.

[@michaelgilchrist4307]

i have followed an electric coal train heading to Gladstone port with 100 loaded wagons 2 engines in front 2 in middle 2 at rear travelling @ 100klmp

[@davidphilips4637]

100klmp? Perhaps you meant 100 km/h?

[@lbbradley55]

Well now you sir know about these Trains. I know more than some. Because I use to talk to Conductors on my AAA-COOPER Co. Radios & I have been around the Train Yard in Mobile Al. & My Dad & Friends who was a Yard Conductor Mobile Yard until he had a accident.. but I know the GM are 2 strokes & I know they are BOLTED to a Electric Generator Unit. & The Drive Wheels are Big Electric Motors.. & the shaft sticks out & the wheels bolted to the ELC. Motor Shaft. Electric Train.... Yup.

[@StevesProjects]

I'll bet the people in that house just love it there!

[@robertgift]

I wish that you have videoed that switch changing after the train had passed. How long was that level crossing blocked? Would like to see what those (o)T(o) look like. Thank you for your notes.

[@tracynation239]

An excellent video. ♡ T.E.N.

[@LittleRaggie]

The horse @ 5:48 above the 2nd loco & 6:28 is more fun to watch than the haul up the hill..

[@skweekah]

Dont worry, the driver or crew didnt have to git out and push. Just jam that throttle leaver up to 'Kill' and the rest is history.

[@iceman977th]

Great video. Just wondering, what country is this in? Is this primarily a coal line? And which engines are those? Thanks.

[@richardthomas9739]

NSW Australia

[@jasonfrench5583]

Australia mate .82 class locos not sure about whether its primarily a coal line or multi purpose.

[@tank_too_godly9938]

At 4:10 I hear a Jake break in the background

[@MrMKH2010]

I'll bet that driver was threatening that controller with some very inventive ways to die.

[@tarmac2001]

Talk about hauling in bulk. What are those Australian coal trains weighing in now a days?

[@emd645e3c]

Varies depending on the types of wagons being used.

[@zaibstrainsproductions7882]

well a single wagon ways 120 loaded then times that by 80

[@exb.r.buckeyeman845]

Probably now over 10,000 tons.

[@davidlockwood6630]

13,000 tons gross

[@tracynation239]

Most of the hopper cars here in the U.S.A. gross out at 125 tons, so a 100 car train would be a 12,500 ton train. ♡ T.E.N.

[@DerangedDragon99]

I'll bet the engine driver and his crew were cursing out the dispatcher for having to stop on the grade. I sure wold have done that.

[@Chuck59ish]

Sometimes you just need the shove to get you going, when your on the upslope of the hill.

[@emilio8530]

Why can't they just time it so the loaded train going up hill would not have to stop?

[@Nebs1]

They usually do get trains to wait at the bottom of the hill rather than here, but if congestion is bad trains just have to go to clear the track behind them. I have driven up this hill about 8 times. 4 times we waited at the bottom and 4 times we didn't have to wait at all and got a run straight up and over the hill. Luckily I have never had to stop at the location in this video.

[@lbbradley55]

Well I am sure that my next Comments about how & what makes these Locomotive Trains Pull their will be those who sat I am WRONG BUT 😂 but this Loco has a in line 6 Cyl 2 stroke GM Diesel. & It's Bolted Directly to a Huge Generator Unit. _ they ALL have ELECTRIC MOTORS that are Part of each of the DRIVE WHEELS on the Engine. This one is Exactly as I am describing it. It has Huge Electric Motors that the Conductors turn Electric D/C Current to. & That is how it works... Larry E Bradley... The EPA don't let them make 2strokes no longer. But the new 4 strokes still have Generator Unit & ITS BASICALLY A DIESEL ELECTRIC POWER TRAIN. so your toy Train was fairly authentic... Larry E Bradley...

[@emd645e3c]

Close, the loco's in the videos are V12's.

[@lbbradley55]

Well... I WAS WRONG.. but I will be the FIRST to say it.. they Do Make V12 Train Engines... The only ones I had any Knowledge of were in line 6 Cylinder 2 stroke GM Diesel Engines. But I whent looking & found they DO have V12 so... Not my First Time to be WRONG Ha... But the inline 6 do very much look like the old 238 HP Detroit 2 Strokes I use to Drive. Inspection plate & All. GM made them Both so that's what I was basing my statement on.

[@NoBody-ht1oh]

shut up

[@gregwithers6059]

how do they get all engines reving the same ?

[@emd645e3c]

They are all connected through jumper cables at the head end, but the rear bankers are operated on their own.

[@gregwithers6059]

long trains front center & rear all have to push & pull the same revs?

[@lbbradley55]

Well they have conductors on all Engines in the past. But now as I understand it. They have a way to Link them so 1 Conductor can Rev them together. But those were GM 2 STROKE Diesel. Bolted Directly to a Electric Generator Unit. & Conductor Controls leaver turns Engine up & puts Elect Current Directly to EACH DRIVE WHEEL ON THE ENGINE HAVE A ELECTRIC MOTOR ON IT. THET ARE IN FACT DIESEL ELECTRIC POWER TRAINS... so your toy Train was fairly authentic... Larry E Bradley...

[@lyallboulton975]

Wrong number, 2nd train had number 8220, not 8229 because the train was not clean when u took the video

[@emd645e3c]

Thanks. I probably hit the 9 instead of the 0 when I captioned it.

[@albertweir5070]

Well if thesedeisels cant make the grade how is it that the old steamers managed it

[@emd645e3c]

Thats a very vague statement. Pretty much anything can make it given the right trailing load.

[@albertweir5070]

emd645e3c i watched that again instead of roaring the motors which make the wheels spin more thus slowing the rate of pulling power the driver should have given the engines an easy throttle and worked up. i have proved this on my model railway if you give an engine full gun on an incline you get nowwhere EVEN with rubber tires on

[@albertweir5070]

emd645e3c listen to that squeak if thats not slipping i dont know what

[@albertweir5070]

mark sidoti mark i can only deduce from that comment that 1 youve lost the argument and 2 that you havent the intelligence to conduct a decent conversation with out resorting to profanities cheers

[@Jemalacane0]

Cause steamers have a better faction of adhesion and are more powerful than people give them credit for.

[@rhondaw1]

stuck on spotting the horse

[@simplydub]

and the horse is outta here. lol

[@charlesdell2864]

Why not give the loaded train the right of way, instead of making it stop.

[@exb.r.buckeyeman845]

Gary that was just what I was thinking, "simples"

[@Nebs1]

They usually do as much as possible. There is a lot of trains on this network these days so sometimes loaded trains have to wait here so another loaded train can wait behind it at the bottom of the hill.

[@lbbradley55]

Cat made the biggest Train Engine you can look it up here on UTUBE but these Engines are not V12 Sorry Ha... Could not walk beside it. & All are D/E have ELECTRIC MOTORS on drive wheels.

[@emd645e3c]

BBZZZZZ...WRONG. They ARE V12's. Google EMD 12-710.

[@eldiabl06]

ye 1 more horse power waiting to help lol

[@emd645e3c]

@iceman977th . All my video's are in Australia. The line is not primarily coal, it sees all sorts of traffic. Other traffic includes containers, grain, and some Country Link passenger trains. The 82 class are locally built GM-EMD's using 12 cylinder turbocharged 710 engines. The 81's on the rear are older GM-EMD's, using a turbocharged 16 cylinder 645. The 80 class is an ALCO 12 cylinder 251.