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[@zenithstrikerz1720]

Eurylochus has wanted to tell Odysseus since the start of the Circe saga. In Puppeteer he tells Odysseus he has something he needs to get off his chest but Odysseus tells him to go scout the island.

[@samuraizwb]

Oh my god... I didn't realize until just now! OH MY GOD TAHT'S WHAT HE WANTED TO TELL HIM! Oh noooooo

[@Shatoswolfdemon]

To add to this point, he points out ody is quiet today. It seems like a time to bring it up that he isn't to busy to talk to now but we all know that he is just focused on the thing he will be forced to do soon.

[@whitenobeard]

I would also like to note, it's implied that Odysseus already knew. In puppeteer he pushes him away, and that's brushed off as the grief from ruthlessness. Then in Scylla he doesn’t react, he just sighs and tell him to light the torches. Odysseus always KNEW it was Eurylochus who opened the bag. He just didn't want to acknowledged it.

[@samuraizwb]

@@whitenobeard Oh.. oh shit you're right.

[@whitenobeard]

@@samuraizwb and there's also the reason he didn't want to acknowledge it. Because if he did, he would have to get rid of Eurylochus. He'd rather not acknowledge what he knew to protect his brother. But by the time Scylla comes around. He's already embraced being a monster, and in monster he says "if I became the monster to everyone but us" and its implied to be about him and his crew. But in reality he means his family, so once they get to scylla's lair. He doesn't care about who he must sacrifice. And then Eurylochus confesses. And he tells him to light the torches. Knowing that Eurylochus might keep one for himself.

[@cryingtomatohead8626]

I really love the choice of words for Odysseus. He specifically says "please don't make me do this." Implying that he had already made up his mind. It was never a question on who he would choose, he just didn't want to have to be the one to say it.

[@disableddragonborn]

He really didn't change much after Underworld Saga. He has always only cared about himself.

[@thesaltybeard1793]

@@disableddragonborn disagree. He cares about himself the most.

[@cryingtomatohead8626]

@disableddragonborn That's not an accurate representation of him. While he did care about himself the most, he did always have the lives and safety of his men and crew in mind. He wasn't as selfish and self serving as he is now.

[@Kyraithen]

its also a call back to Ody and Zeus in Horse and the Infant. Zeus gives him an option that time too, and just like then Ody begs not to have to. That's why Zeus is so certain at the start of the song that Ody's crew was good as dead. It wasn't a choice then and isn't now, only difference is it takes Ody less time to come to terms with it this time.

[@disableddragonborn]

@@cryingtomatohead8626 I will concede that he wasn't as selfish outwardly, he had to seem like he prioritized their wellbeing, but I believe he always had what he is outwardly now in him.

[@cryingtomatohead8626]

When sirens sing, they make you see what you most desire. For most sailors at sea for years it's a beautiful woman or their lovers. Since Odyseus couldn't hear her, the first animator kept her in her true form to go along with that.

[@riverwolf2889]

@@cryingtomatohead8626 but he could hear her. Odyseus even asks her questions. Even in the original story he kept his ears clear in order to experience and know what happens. He had his crew plug their ears with wax

[@cryingtomatohead8626]

@@riverwolf2889 I am speaking strictly about epic the musical, not the original story. He couldn't hear her, he asked her questions by reading her lips, as stated in Different Beast.

[@kaidensmith2770]

What's crazy to me, is the way that eury doesn't even try to attack Odysseus in thunderbringer. He knows that Odysseus is being backed by the king of the gods, no matter how upset or mad he might be. He knows that he's going to die either way. It is also just terrifying, that Odysseus was face to face with all of his men. All of them about to kill him in thunderbringer as they charge towards him hoping to kill him before Zeus can defend him. And then they all were vaporized instantly. That scares me to no end.

[@TailsFan]

Zeus wasn't defending him. He just killed everyone BUT him because he the only one that opposed killing the cattle.

[@30092nana]

I love how differently I’ve seen the interpretations, in the livestream that Jorge commissioned from Anni Flamma they all went for an attack and the pained expression on the crew and Eurylocus while Odysseus just looked checked out was so melancholy. Meanwhile I love this interpretation that Eurylocus just resigned himself knowing it doesn’t matter. In both works the power and look of almost joy in Zeus is face is so good

[@_aWiseMan]

​@@TailsFanZeus gave him him a choice. Either he dies or his crew. Doubt he would let Ody be killed too

[@bopqw1055]

@@_aWiseMan even that becomes a pride thing, "i said he gets to choose, you cant kill him"

[@TailsFan]

@@_aWiseMan He gave him the choice of who Zeus would kill, he didn't say "I will protect you if they try to kill you for choosing them". I do think that he waited until they were charging forward to actually strike.

[@aidenk.364]

Finally, someone who realizes the reason Odysseus sacrificed men was to prevent more from dying. They could not have beat Scylla.

[@Adahy_Bullet]

Something I learned in Mutiny's comment section that the animator does represent to a degree is the fact that the whole reason Zeus steps up to the plate in the story is cuz Helios was upset and threatened to head to the underworld and never raise the sun ever again if Zeus didn't do something. Zeus would have never got involved is what it sounds like if Helios hadn't come crying to him.

[@colt1903]

I want a scene, not even a musical, but an officially voiced scene of all the gods just turning to Helios and going "Bitch move."

[@ElPapo0225]

It’s crazy how Eurylochus also had a torch but passed it to one of his comrades meaning Odysseus meant for him to die too. And in thunder bringer how the crew is singing the part from just a man and how Penelope is singing that part from suffering showing the things he fought so hard for pit against each other. ( Also from the start of epic Ody talks about getting him and his whole crew home safely and after the underworld saga now says he just wants to go see his wife showing how he goes from protecting his crew to go home for his own means

[@anniefemmas5097]

I don't think Odysseus told Eury to take a torch, he said to give them, so it was like asking him to choose at random. Maybe as a way to take some of the blame off.

[@gankmojo8538]

Nah, Ody's primary goal has always been to get home. Bringing the whole crew home safely was a secondary objective. In Just A Man, he says, "Deep down, I'd trade the world to see my son and wife." He's just learning how much 'the world' is...

[@helenorvana]

In Eurylochus's defense, he tried to tell Odysseus right away, but was told he could wait. This sounds like it was actually the first quiet moment he's had a chance to tell him since, and also it was shaming him that he hadn't yet. I really think Scylla's line "deep down you hide a reason for shame" was directed at both Ody and Eury - Eury for opening the wind bag, and Ody for having already decided to go straight to the sacrifice route rather than trying to fight. As far as your question about alternatives, a) there wasn't a good one, no, but b) Eury makes some damn good points: as we were reminded in Luck Runs out, Ody took 600 men to ten years of war and didn't lose a single one. He made a plan for the Cyclops, got everyone back from Circe, just now saved them from the sirens. Even the greatest loss of life so far with Poseidon, Eury has been feeling guilt for that, too, because Ithaca was *in sight* when Eury opened the windbag. They were almost home, and because *he* opened the bag, more than 500 of the men he calls brothers were slaughtered. But now Ody, who refused to leave the transformed men behind with Circe even when Eury wanted to run, didn't even try to think of a way to sneak or fight their way past Scylla. He just went straight to sacrifice.

[@blueteller]

Those holy cows were so cute and fluffy, no wonder the Sun God was upset lol

[@Gamingwithrocko]

of course Apollo would call his dad and make them pay, look how cute his little cows are

[@blueteller]

@@Gamingwithrocko You'd think Odysseus' crew would have known by now not to mess with pets of people with powerful daddies... 😂

[@jharris3110]

​@Gamingwithrocko I learned recently it's actually Helios' island and cows, not Apollo's.

[@anniefemmas5097]

​@@GamingwithrockoThose were not Apollo's cows, but Helios's. 😅

[@anniefemmas5097]

​@@bluetellerjsjsjsjsjsjsj YES

[@jenwonderland3323]

Eurylochus was like, "But we'll die." Like, Sir, did you not realize that you would all die by killing the cow anyway? If it wasn't Zeus, it'd be the sun god himself or some other god that felt like it. Plus, the crew committed treason not only against their captain but also their king. I'm not saying Odysseus is right in what he did, but I can't blame him for not being eager to pick them over himself.

[@TheAtemAndrew]

Like bro, you have an island full of cows. Just milk them. Make some cheese or something. Anything aside from literally killing holy cows.

[@nara9404]

​@@TheAtemAndrew cheese 😂

[@kurosutachibana6403]

​@@nara9404 That's right Grommet, CHEESE!

[@nara9404]

@@kurosutachibana6403 um what's a grommet?

[@Savaris96]

Poseidon at sea is one thing, Hades is a pretty chill guy all things concerned, but Zeus? The sky is his domain, there is no escape Also, the way they animated him makes me think of Genie, especially before he drops the nuke

[@shyguy02.05]

He was so nonchalant with that too just like “I know I’m singing sick bars but….Here” like dropping a nuke is as easy as making a snowball for him

[@gracielasea]

In The Odyssey there were 2 possible paths and both were awful. 1) Scylla - Definitely loosing 6 men but the rest will live. 2) Charybdis - 50-50 Chance, either Everybody Dies or Nobody Dies. It’s essentially the trolley problem but Ody’s luck has been trash recently.

[@shinotenshi45]

Not sure if Jorge cut it out but I remember he did make a song for Charybdis so we might also see them too

[@aurorablue4468]

@@shinotenshi45 that song comes in two more acts if I remember right from the teaser clips he released during the development/writing process

[@gracielasea]

@@shinotenshi45 I'm pretty sure that'll still be in but it's Just Ody singing ;)

[@Goomsies]

@@aurorablue4468 Yep. Just his luck to run into both options.

[@rachaelhudson219]

Or 3) they could piss off the king of the Gods and have a 100% chance of death XD

[@DarkestNova556]

13:37 My head cannon is that the reason Odysseus sings “I-“ is because he was going to explain himself to Eurylochous but decided against the vulnerability

[@fleischsalat318]

17:09 Based on the original livestream, we know that Ody was about to deal the final blow on Eurylochus, only to be stabbed from behind. He wakes up with a headache, a bandaged stab wound, and tied to a statue.

[@disableddragonborn]

Eurylochus has been suffering with guilt since the second he opened the bag, and tried to confess when they arrived on Circe's island, but Odysseus refused to listen to him.

[@disableddragonborn]

Sirens have voices that are essentially hypnotic. They can make men jump into the water to their deaths.

[@Espio001]

For Scylla in the original story the alternative was Charybdis. Either lose 6 to Scylla to feed her and keep her distracted, or sail past Charybdis and risk losing your entire ship.

[@dragansnyder2786]

I'm just over here impressed that Odysseus was able to sing at such a high pitch while he had beeswax in his ears, that's really impressiv!

[@gam3rgodproductions]

I love that Scylla track soo much, her beautiful clean serene vocals into the absolutely intense gritty change up is just so good.

[@raijade9644]

It's unlikely that they had an alternative besides going through Scylla's cave - but part of what Eurylochus is so angry about is that Odysseus sacrificed them without them having a say in it, while making sure he himself was safe. Remember, the entire crew had beeswax in their ears, and Odysseus only knew the route because he read the siren's lips. At the start of Scylla, Eurylochus says "you're quiet today", which doesn't really sound like what you'd say if you knew you were about to head to the lair of a monster known for eating people. This is basically confirmed when Eurylochus says "Captain, something... approaches". The men likely had no idea they were going to Scylla's lair, and no idea of what was about to happen. But Odysseus did. His entire plan was to sacrifice six of his men to make sure that *he* got home to his family, because he's willing to do what he must to survive - to get home. Not necessarily to get his men home. It's only natural that you realize, after surviving being walked into a trap, that you were absolutely played. It's only natural to be unable to trust your captain, after that.

[@seanchesteralexisexamen5964]

"What?" And here it goes The WHAT saga continues... the hidden 10th saga

[@sadieoliviaruiz1848]

I believe Jay said this was the last part of the "What" saga as well

[@RayGainbows]

Why am i only now understanding why people reference "Odysseus's trolly dilemma solution"

[@sadieoliviaruiz1848]

There really wasnt an alternative, beyond maybe telling the crew it was the only way. Though, admittedly the rest of them probably would have been like "alright we're done. We'll find some place else to live. Its not worth this"

[@Phasmania]

Part of the reason for Mutiny was that Ody made Eury unknowingly mark 6 friends to die (possibly himself included), the fact that nobody had any say in it and he never told them a thing. As for an alternative, I feel like he could have tried keeping 6 sirens on board instead of letting them all drown but maybe he just didn’t think of that lol

[@amirulamani1487]

Oh my gosh, I was thinking the same thing. Why did he need to drown the sirens, he could've used them as sacrifice. If you're gonna be monster, at least do it in your favor

[@sadieoliviaruiz1848]

It's fairly unlikely that'd work: they'd have to keep the beeswax in their ears for who knows how long, and at this point Ody doesn't really trust his crew to carry out orders anymore. All it would take is one miscommunication or one sailor's wax slipping to doom everyone. Not to mention Scylla probably wouldn't be particularly keen on eating other Monsters

[@merlinthefrenchie]

Pretty sure Scylla doesn't kill monsters. Also that would mean they would all need to keep bee wax to not die from the Sirens.

[@Mejillustrates]

HI! Thank you for the reaction! I'm happy you liked it!

[@AzureDrake777]

I would say that I feel bad for his crew but they kind of asked for it. First they betray Odysseus because he sacrificed 6 men to save the entire crew, a very logical choice. Then they let Eurylochus stop at the island that had plenty of hints that the cattle belonged to the sun god. And finally, even after Odysseus warned them not to harm the cattle they still let Eurylochus try.

[@Paradoxed29]

Scyllas route was the lesser of the dangers they could've traveled through

[@disableddragonborn]

"We're too late." You know what may have made the difference, Odysseus? SIX MORE ROWERS.

[@dar-nakkallig]

@@disableddragonborn And how many more could have died had he not given Scylla those 6 men? Sure they could have had no casualties, but then again, to my knowledge, they could all have died. Odyssey basically said “Specific death count > inconsistent death count”... And Eurylochus said no.

[@disableddragonborn]

​@@dar-nakkallig Going past Scylla at all seems pointless to me tbh. They want to avoid Poseidon, but they live on an island, so all they'd achieve is delaying the inevitable and endangering all of Ithaca. I wouldn't have as much of a problem with the torch plan if it weren't coated in deceit. I think they should've all (including Odysseus) drawn lots. They're soldiers, they know they aren't guaranteed survival. Odysseus was in the wrong for using Eurylochus as a way to separate himself from being the direct cause of their deaths.

[@jd_knight90]

I got emotional listening to the album, and I got emotional all over again with these animations. Hearing it without visuals is amazing, but then you see it happen and hear it and everything comes back for a second time

[@softly3359]

I think Scylla in her song is only speaking to Odysseus, Eurylaches has been meaning to tell Odysseus since Puppeteer way back In the circe saga. I think Scylla knows Odysseus has come to her lair planning from the start to sacrifice six men. She knows that he already plans to betray his crew, i think she's saying that to highlight that you planned to betray your crew at the same time you're feeling betrayed by your brother

[@andredelapena1235]

For the alternatives, Scylla is a monster that when passing by her lair can maybe kill all the crew, maybe she can kill none or she can kill exactly 6, one for each head. In this case, he decided not to gamble and feed her 6 men.

[@ShyyGaladriel]

I love how vicious the animatic made Different Beast with the surviving siren trying to save her sisters.

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

So generally the Sirens' song is so powerful that it changes what sailors see (and they hear what they most desire and all). Since Odysseus has beeswax in his ears, the siren in the animatic you saw is... just a siren. She probably thinks he sees her as Penelope, though.

[@bluehawkgaming6055]

I think the "alternative" to the torches would have been doing something "clever" like Eurylochus talks about in the opening of Mutiny. If Odysseus had brought up the cost before entering, they could have come up with a plan, and even if they couldn't, they could have asked for volunteers or draw straws. Part of the issue with Ody's action is that he acted on his own; he took all of the power and thus deserves all the blame.

[@stiletteleray1326]

Big agree! To make that decision is wild, many men were hungry and I’m sure older and would be willing to sacrifice themselves but that was not his choice to make, esp alone.

[@sofialu226]

I Love Neal's Thunder Bringer, based on the shorts Jorge showed and Mutiny's ñiryc, they are suppouse to be in the water. But The Desing, Facial epressions and Zeus using the cloud and his lightning giving them woman forms are soo cool

[@thebrokenreader5842]

He tried to tell Odyseus in Puppeteer

[@felixhenson9926]

My favourite of these animations is absolutely Neal's Thunderbringer, I've literally used his Zeus character design as reference in my sketchbook, I love it haha

[@northstar6920]

Thunder bringer IS MY JAM!

[@paytonkraft7564]

Different beast is my persoanl favorite. The monsters of Greek myth almost always seem to get away with their cruelty, so it's nice to see one get it back for once.

[@barelyuseful_bucket9948]

cant wait for the Calypso Saga to come out and hear him react!!!! The girl who sings for Calypso's voice is so enchanting

[@ryterex]

10:35 Eury was trying to tell Odysseus back when they first got Circe's island but Ody told him to tell him later. Then there wasn't another time to tell him up until now because of the underworld and the sirens. Now is when he felt like he had a chance to get it off his chest since Ody wasn't really talking or doing anything at this point.

[@g_man1017]

I just pulled an all nighter to watch the whole playlist of reactions and it was incredible. I remember reading Ulysses (a more simplified version of the odyssey) in school when i was younger and being able to track the story was SO SO COOL. and your deep dives into some of the more complicated moral topic were great :D. I'm definitely going to introduce my friends to epic the musical after this one.

[@angels2wings]

About Scylla she can make people reveal secrets. It helps her to divide and eat the crew.

[@0false.sun0]

you know what theworst thing about this series is? the wait

[@Saturdad]

I love seeing you sing along in the corner, there . I get it, man. Me too.😁

[@kscrhn]

Neal’s animatic is SO DAMN GOOD

[@SarenDracul]

its a mixture of Scylla's Cave makes everyone uneasy and Eurylochus tried to tell him back on Circe's Island so its Guilt to

[@disableddragonborn]

An alternative could've been perhaps using the siren corpses, or just not going through Scylla's lair. What's Odysseus's plan for surviving Poseidon once he gets back to Ithaca? IT'S AN ISLAND AND POSEIDON IS THE GOD OF THE OCEAN.

[@andrewnihart7716]

Can't wait for the Next Saga! We are slowly getting closer to the end of it.

[@dinoqwas]

the detail in Neal's version of ThunderBringer specifically that kills me is that Eurylochus doesn't move to attack Odysseus in his final moments.

[@sleepyfroggies5111]

YESSIRRRRRRR. Been waiting for this my good man🙏

[@taleighawiggs1769]

He should watch the one by ShiftingStorms. How they made the sirens look is super cool and unique

[@paytonkraft7564]

"Ruthlessness is a mercy upon ourselves."

[@aadityayanamandra8846]

It's also worth noting that Odysseus could've TOLD his crew about the torches and all. Just consigning them to death without letting them know was his failure here.

[@Paradoxed29]

There's a official animatic for scylla

[@errorhollow5640]

Been waiting for this to drop lol :)

[@WarriorTProductionsYT]

I TOLD YOU THE ANIMATIONS WOULD HIT HARDER 😂

[@tntdragon1000]

The alternative was to stand and fight. They fought every other encounter, and prevailed. Ody is tired of losing more than he can save.

[@idrc1415]

I believe in the actual story, Odysseus actually has the crew sacrifice 6 goats to occupy Scylla. But some men end up getting eaten in the end.

[@nara9404]

The epic is very different from the og Odyssey. Like how the 557 men don't die because of Poseidon but rather the giants.

[@thejalexander1837]

The alternative to Scylla taking the 6 men with torches is taking 6 random men and Ody didnt want to risk it

[@BuzzabeelYT]

On second watch Mutiny might just be the best song of this saga. Even after Odysseus betrayed them, Eurylochus still waited until he woke up hoping and believing his Captain would convince him of another way so he didn’t have to kill the cow, but Odysseus doesn’t, just like on the ship. He just says “don’t do it” without even acknowledging that his crew is starving to death or asking about the situation they’re in. What other choice does Eurylochus have other when it’s the only solution Odysseus leaves him with?

[@Vent.imlistening]

If you want another one for Different beasts then there’s one by The Traveling Pan that I love!

[@Beymaster20247]

Animation top-tier

[@timothywoo9215]

25:41, I can't believe I didn't notice this before but from what I'm seeing, considering the aftermath of Zeus' attack on the crew, the scorch marks and crater around Odysseus is suppose to resemble a penelope flower making Odysseus' choice much more dramatic and sad.

[@daviddavid1093]

I genuinely think that Ody somewhat knew Eurylochus was involved in the bag opening

[@stiletteleray1326]

Regarding Scylla, to me the main alternative is being honest with the men, he chose to sacrifice six men without anyone else’s opinion. He said, “listen to me and you’ll see them (your families) again.” He broke this promise by being the sole person choosing who lives and dies. There is a command/multiple leaders for a reason. Eurylochus states, “if you want all the power you must hold all the blame.”

[@stiletteleray1326]

(Thunderbringer) Oh nooo not what was he supposed to do…. I would hope anyone willing to take the rank of captain would sacrifice themselves over the rest of their entire crew. This added a level of hatred to Odysseus for me. Another level of being a monster. 😭

[@merlinthefrenchie]

@@stiletteleray1326 I don't think he made the wrong choice there. He was no longer their captain, they were mutineers and they would refuse any orders from him. Also they disobeyed him several times leading to unnecessary deaths (Don't open the bag, they do, 552 men died. Don't kill the cows, they do, Zeus kills the rest of the crew). His crew didn't even believe they could get back home, and since they always relied on Odysseus, him dying would just end their journey there.

[@stiletteleray1326]

@@merlinthefrenchie well then remind me to never take part in any group activity you would lead or choose a leader for. Regardless of the behavior of some of your crew, a captain should never sacrifice his people for his own sake of getting home, that’s not leadership.

[@disableddragonborn]

"I made a mistake like this, it almost cost my life." It cost his best friend's life, but now he's only concerned about himself. Brilliant writing to show just how awful he has become.

[@sadieoliviaruiz1848]

See I think he was referencing more Poseidon's vengeance here. The last time he showed mercy, Poseidon almost killed him and killed 500+ men. Since Ody hadn't needed a "mercy" moment against Polyphemus until after they had to defend themselves against him

[@disableddragonborn]

@@sadieoliviaruiz1848 Odysseus couldn't possibly show mercy to a literal god. Submission, yes, but not mercy. He's nowhere near that level of power.

[@sadieoliviaruiz1848]

@@disableddragonborn i mean mercy to Polyphemus, not Poseidon, sorry! Him showing mercy to Polyphemus, Not killing him, Lead to Poseidon drowning the fleet and-If Ody hadn't saved some wind-Odyseuss as well

[@disableddragonborn]

@@sadieoliviaruiz1848 Not killing Polyphemus isn't what caused Poseidon to show up, identifying himself to Polyphemus is. It wasn't showing mercy that almost got him killed along with his men, it was his reckless impulsiveness. Had he not identified himself, Polyphemus could only send Poseidon after Nobody.

[@Sans-jh5dg]

Sirens basically make a song that lures people to the water. There are singing the entire time so that’s why

[@Konpeimimi]

Also keep in mind that Odysseus is the ONLY one on deck during Suffering, so none of the others know that Scylla's Lair was their only way home. The others still hold naive hope that they could find some path and defeat any foe despite also condemning Odysseus for the same mentality earlier. It's a story of perspective, hypocrisy, flaws, human nature, and pure conflict.

[@kairasendo1175]

So this is how l've seen this play out in my head, far different. So Odysseus chooses his crew, and they're all completely shocked. His eyes are downcast as Zeus starts slaughtering them, frying them with lightning one by one. Odysseus tries to hold tight to Eurylochus, hoping maybe he can at least save him. However, Zeus grabs the spear of one of Odysseus' fallen men, and in a split second where they're separated because of the boat's movements, Zeus impales Eurylochus. He holds him up in front of Odysseus, and then fries him too before throwing him and the rest of the decimated crew down into the water, their souls likely going to Tartarus for getting on too many Gods' nerves. Yes I know it’s gruesome, but it fits this saga. Eury slitting a cows throat, the entire Scylla slaughter, the killing of the sirens.

[@silvershadow2818]

You should check out Gigi suffering animatic. Absolutely amazing!

[@wynnefox]

I have watched so many versions of all of these. It will take too long for me to go over all the ones I like but I will just talk about THunder Bringer. When it comes to the Thunder Bringer animation the two favorites is Neil Illustrator and Duvetbox. Neil making Zeus into a character like the Genie from Aladin. He is so menacingly sexual too, which is very in character for the god. All the characters are extremely emotive and expessive that you can really feel the work put into what he did. That said, there are touches he misses, that Duvetbox captures. Duvet actually has them on the ship, where the event happens traditionally in the story. Zeus destroys the ship and Odysseus floats away on wreckage. Duvet also draws the men actually looking like they are starving, making them all thin and desperate looking. Zeus also is far more menacing looking in Duvet's version. Rather than being larger than life, Zeus comes down to their level on the ship and has this lean but fit look to him. When he comes down during the line, "Apply all the pressure", Duvet has all the mortals grab their ears and hunch over, showing that Zeus increased the barometric pressure there to humble the mortals. The final touch I really enjoy for it is when Odysseus says, "I know", his eyes glow yellow like Zeus'. Showing Zeus and he are on the same page... Like Zeus says, "If I was to make you choose, the lives of your men and crew or your own, why do I think they'll lose?" Zeus had Odysseus' number from the very beginning when he tasked Odysseus to kill that baby.

[@kaianthiaB26]

Whatever they do with this, stage, animated, live action, whatever I'm watching it

[@DarkestNova556]

10:48 He’s been trying to tell him ever since after Ruthlessness. I’m assuming he just couldn’t hold it anymore.

[@alexadraye4817]

The other option that Odysseus had instead of Scylla was to go the other way and face Charybdis. The sister monster of Scylla. The difference is, with Charybdis, she will kill everyone, without a doubt. Odysseus knew that with Scylla, if you gave her 6 people as "sacrifices," she would leave the rest of the crew alone. If he went with Charybdis instead, everyone would've died. He chose the lesser of the two evils.

[@kamdenwilson9340]

if your interested neal made one for ruthlessness recently

[@jharris3110]

Neal Illustrations' version of Zeus reminds me a lot of Ganon/Ganondorf grom Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom and I love it to bits

[@Lord_Glizzy2020]

Love seeing the sickest animation for thunder bringer and bros got his eyes closed just jamming 😭

[@nattles4397]

I wonder how this would have gone if they had kept 6 sirens for scylla to eat

[@BuzzabeelYT]

ElianZiS made a really good Scylla short on Jorge’s channel and Ximena just released Suffering.

[@jacksoncounts5402]

thunderbringer animatic was good, but it didn't accurately depict where they were as they were on the ship when zeus showed up and the seas were calm as zeus most likely ordered both aeolus and poseidon to calm the seas, ody was floating in the water at the end. This is not head canon it's what jay said he pictures the situation going

[@jurassicdemons2733]

I'm pretty sure there are other songs that go with this like one of them is called monster that Is also made by the artist of the thunder saga

[@disableddragonborn]

Odysseus is aware that sirens are deceptive, so how does he know that the siren isn't just bullshitting and saying what she thinks his wife would say, since she isn't aware he's not fooled? Imagine if they didn't really have to go past Scylla.

[@fleischsalat318]

Please Dave, open your eyes and watch thunder bringer again. It's so good. You can't close your eyes dude😭 You missed the whole cloud thing with Zeus amd it's so well done. How dare you 😣

[@yourlordship1119]

I really wanted to see you react to Neil!! And I did!

[@disableddragonborn]

The siren should've said "Oh, I forgot." when he claims he's scared of the water. It wouldn't matter, but it would make her seem less dumb. 😆

[@DarkestNova556]

15:10 Someone said that they could’ve used the Sirens as bait instead.

[@thinkfrosy6149]

So hyped for this

[@davidwindham4463]

My guy love the reaction i scrolled a little bit but didnt see it, i highly recommend listening to the other songs they are amazing!!! Open Arms, Warrior of the Mind, Remember Them, My Goodbye, Ruthlessness, Wouldn't you like, Done For, There are other ways, The Underworld, No Longer You, and Monster In my opinion are really great and would love to see a reaction from you on them my guy, Keep up the great work!!! LOVED THE REACTION

[@whatitdodave]

Here ya go. My Epic: The Musical Reactions! kzbin.info/aero/PLG217Y9Pofu46BdC9D0aJKKEBuFjXplPo

[@davidwindham4463]

@@whatitdodave I appreciate you my man reactions were awesome keep up the good work

[@RayGainbows]

AHH I love that Thunderbringer!

[@disableddragonborn]

22:24 Why is Ron Jeremy one of the crew? (Behind Eurylochus on the left) 😂

[@RedFangMoon]

The sirens screaming in the background will always get me. You didn’t react to the Underworld animatics and they’re so good

[@whatitdodave]

Reacting to EPIC: The Musical - The Underworld Saga (Animatics) kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWa1koqOZrSseM0

[@ShyyGaladriel]

That thunderbringer is my favorite by far. Well… thinderbringer is my favorite song from the whole musical thus far.

[@drunktransdragon]

If I had a nickel for every time a god or monster ratted ody out to their dad I’d have two nickels which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice

[@disableddragonborn]

Even if the torches idea was the only thing he could do, using Eurylochus was evil. I just wish he had lit up 7, one for Odysseus, or that Odysseus got lit on fire.

[@GirlYouDontKnow1237]

Yes! I was hoping you would do this! 🎉

[@ClaymoreGoBOOM.]

i likee the aimation from thunder bringger from duvetbox a lil more

[@Allen-ed9cm]

If you dig these videos you should see the rush 2112 album.

[@akihikosakurai4013]

It's not so much the fact that Odysseus sacrificed them, it's that he didn't even tell them, nor give anyone the chance to willingly volunteer if they wanted to. This shows that Odysseus is willing to sacrifice anyone in order to get home, which, as you can imagine, puts eurylochus and the rest of the crew in a very precarious situation. For all they know, THEY could be next if Odysseus decides he has to sacrifice more people to get home. The absolute last thing you want to do as a captain or any kind of leader is show the men willing to fight for you that you view them as expendable. They trusted him up till that point because they believed he would still try to get them all out alive. All the previous deaths were in spite of Odysseus's efforts, but these 6 men died BECAUSE of Odysseus

[@akihikosakurai4013]

Like, how do you trust someone who would get you killed like that?

[@disableddragonborn]

Why would a man that's scared of the water be on a ship on the sea? That siren clearly isn't very smart.