Eastern Roman or Byzantine Empire?

When the Roman Empire split between East and West in the 5th century, both halves continued to think of themselves, and refer to themselves, as Romans. But over time, historians in western Europe began to describe the Eastern Roman Empire as 'the Empire of the Greeks, and later 'the Byzantine Empire'. Why were they reluctant to call them what the Eastern Romans always called themselves - Romans??
#epichistorytv #romanhistory #romanempire #byzantine #history #shorts

[@darthcalanil5333]

Fun fact: Christians of the orthodox church of Antioch (Syria and the Levante) officially refer to themselves as Roman Orthodox. Once a Roman, always a Roman 😊

[@Cup0Coffee]

Yep... They did the same thing to us and called us Eastern Orthodox, but we really are called the Orthodox Catholic Church.

[@manfredschultz9619]

These folks are the ones recently massacred/displaced by ISIS I believe..?

[@lucinae8512]

@@Cup0CoffeeI sometimes see it labelled as Greek Catholic Church.

[@kenny187ful]

​@@lucinae8512 That may be referring to the Greek churches that are in communion with the Latin Church, rather than the Orthodox Church.

[@Cup0Coffee]

@@lucinae8512 yeah, that could be, that wouldn't be wrong to say of the Greek Orthodox Church, but it could mean Greek or Byzantine Roman Catholic as the other commenter said. Greek, American, Russian, Ukrainian, Antiochian, etc are just different jurisdictions of the Orthodox Church.

[@jusupdjidjimidjimilovic3677]

Few important notes. Division of Roman Empire did emperor Diocletianus, who then took emperor position in Eastern Roman Empire. After he retreated from position, in his City of Split he has student - Constantinus, who continued his work of transferring power and wealth from Western Rome to Eastern Rome, leaving toxic Roman elite in Rome powerless, performed Iliric revenge to Rome for destroying Diocletian's Iliric country, and continuing Rome Empire for more than thousand years. The city of Rome thus collapsed, and Eastern Roman Empire ended a hundred years later in Diocletian's City of Split. Thus was created Eastern Empire, later named Byzantine because Constantinople's original name was - City of Byzantine. Interesting fact, Constantine although not Christian, established Christianity in Byzantine which he saw flourishing in Diocletian's city of Split, but bringing on power toxic sect of heretics against Diocletian was fighting against, and basing official religion on their heresy. This become Orthodoxy Christian Church.

[@chrisandthat]

Roman empire never stopped it became a priest hood

[@aliemadi4993]

It was efficiency replaced by ottomans, just not the same people, but an state on same shape

[@eddyheaddrascal1858]

IIRC the split between West and East was not seen as a literal divide between the Roman Empire. There were two rulers and two areas they ruled. But ultimately they had the same Empire to call home. It was seen as a pragmatic solution.

[@matthewheald8964]

I would say that the Eastern Roman Empire is Roman in the same way that a tomato is a fruit: yes, it’s technically a fact, but not a very practical one.

[@shadow-qp2ns]

Its only roman empire

[@savvasavraam8670]

Fun fact: I heard my grandfather call us Romans (Romioi) many times when he was talking about politics. I’m from Cyprus.

[@FahadFSA]

which cyprus?

[@turkishcypriot8013]

​@@FahadFSASouth Cyprus

[@SpiralSniperz]

@@turkishcypriot8013there is only one cyprus 🇬🇧

[@AUSSIETAIPAN]

Cyprus is Greece 🇬🇷

[@FahadFSA]

@@AUSSIETAIPAN 😂😂

[@IsaacMuntz]

*"Rome conquered greece militarily, Greece conquered rome culturally"*

[@Astro-X]

Same can be said about the Germanic tribes. They conquered the Roman Empire militarily, but the Germanics were conquered by Rome's cultures, religion and art

[@bdleo300]

The people who lived in the "Byzantine Empire" never knew nor used the word "Byzantine." They know themselves to be Romans, nothing more and absolutely nothing less.

[@clutrike7956]

Yea man, thanks. I just watched the video but thank you for reiterating what the video was about

[@thefeof6161]

The people in the ottoman empire also refered to themselfs as romans

[@thefeof6161]

The people in the ottoman empire also refered to themselfs as romans

[@thefeof6161]

The people in the ottoman empire also refered to themselfs as romans

[@thefeof6161]

The people in the ottoman empire also refered to themselfs as romans

[@jebbroham1776]

The Roman Empire lasted for an astounding 2000 years. That's a hell of a record.

[@iainclark5964]

Actually it was under 600 years, 31bc to 476bc

[@The_king567]

No it didn’t the Byzantines are not Roman

[@iainclark5964]

@The_king567 The above person said Roman Empire not Byzantine Empire. Even the Easter Empire lasted just over 1500 years from 31bc to 1453

[@The_king567]

@@iainclark5964 that Will it be the longest empire then and the Byzantines are not Roman

[@vinlondon8904]

​@@The_king567what are they? Justinian was from northen macedonia/illyria where most of the roman emperors were from since the third century at least. Were they not Romans too? Also Costandine was not roman either but from the illyrian/Thracian tribes. Was he not roman also? Come on, rome became an empire and merged a lot of ethnicities into it.

[@aspudgrowninireland9168]

As half-Turkish, I'd like to say to my Greek brothers that no matter what those Germanic Northerners have to say, we Turks admittedly know that the Byzantine empire was probably the only true continuation of the Roman Empire and that (after the Italians maybe) the Greeks are culturally, linguistically and religiously as Roman as a people can get. Greetings to all my Greek brothers 🇹🇷❤🇬🇷 ☪️❤☦️

[@Tech-Mentor564]

As a Bosnian, I also pretty much agree

[@nodruj8681]

Yet you were a backwater and we so called barbarians conquered the world 😂

[@aureliano_37]

Italians are definitely closer in every way, especially Southern Italians, Sicilians, Sardinians and Corsicans.

[@BESTINTHEWORLD0007]

​@@nodruj8681 You still are

[@filipefernandes870]

@@aureliano_37 uuuhh explain that bold and utterly wrong statement.

[@Carlo-zk2cy]

Roman Empire ended in 1453 Just 39 years before Columbus set foot on America.

[@mojewjewjew4420]

Dude, the fall of Rome lead directly to Colombus's trip to the Americas, open a book before commenting!

[@Carlo-zk2cy]

@@mojewjewjew4420 I am just providing context about how close the Eastern Romans to the start of early modern world. Also, the fall of Constantinople did not directly lead to Columbus voyage. As the Eastern Roman territoy is just composed of Constantinople and the Despotate of the Morea by 1453.

[@ibraheemshuaib8954]

A few roman legion survived the collapse of Rome and continued working as mercenaries for a long period of time, keeping their Roman ranks and symbols and traditions with them.

[@floof6896]

"open a book" and what book? you think opening some random novel or a kids' story can provide you more context about rome and world history? lol.

[@NovajaPravda]

​@@mojewjewjew4420 It was certainly a factor that sped up the discovery of America. But the other European countries are already exploring alternative trade route to Asia even without the fall of constantinopol. It's just a matter of time

[@dishonorableknight9340]

Roman Empire: The legendary original series that everyone loves Byzantine Empire: The cool sequel which goes its own path to distinguish itself Holy Roman Empire: The awful Netflix adaptation Edit: Ottoman Empire: The spinoff of the sequel that is only tangentially related to the original series and divisive among fans Latin Empire: The spinoff that was so bad it was canceled after one season and everyone pretends it never happened Western Roman Empire: the last couple of seasons of the original series that's difficult for many to watch Roman Kingdom: The obscure novel that started the franchise but that most fans haven't bothered reading Roman Republic: The prequel series that's just as good as the original series Mussolini's Empire: Bad fanfiction that was abandoned halfway through Edit 2: Sultanate of Rum: When a production from a foreign country made an adaptation of the sequel for their domestic market, without any idea what the series is actually based on apart from the name. Romania: Brought to you by the same people who tried to pitch the Latin Empire spinoff. Not at all related to the original series, but it's surprisingly good especially the Transylvania Vampire Arc. Megali Idea Greece: A headcannon idea for a modern revival of the sequel supported by a small group of hardcore fans that was once popular, but is nowadays obscure. They are sworn enemies of fans of the modern Turkey series, which is a sequel to the Ottoman Empire spinoff. Russia ("Third Rome"): When the sequel series finally ended after 12 seasons, some fans started referring to the unrelated, long-running Russia TV series as a legitimate continuation, and the executives of the Russia series actually endorsed the idea. However, most of the fandom doesn't agree with them. Kingdom/Tsardom of Bulgaria (1908-1946): A modern series that takes place in the same area as the sequel. Some fans had hoped this new show would've built up to a revival of sorts, but the show concluded with a much different ending.

[@rionabil8065]

*Byzantine Empire : Same Person Different Story *Holy Roman Empire : Where Corruption grow

[@coachmen8508]

Nice

[@islamicschoolofmemestudies]

Ottoman empire : Villain Spin-Off

[@raulpetrascu2696]

Or Byzantines is the later seasons that drifted away from what it used to be and most OG fans say aren't as good (they didn't even watch), and HRE is the modern spinoff with barely anything in common

[@dudi0_0]

It wasn't even a sequel. The empire only stopped existing entirely in 1204.

[@ירוןמזרחינשיא]

The real Rome was, not only Italy and not only Greece She was a mix of both cultures and languages Latin and Greek

[@MarcoCaprini-do3dq]

Italy and Greece always brothers

[@konstantinouroumidis6422]

​@@MarcoCaprini-do3dquna razza und fazza

[@MarcoCaprini-do3dq]

@@konstantinouroumidis6422 Una faccia una razza!🇮🇹🇬🇷❤️

[@konstantinouroumidis6422]

@@MarcoCaprini-do3dq Si si, it's faccia 😂

[@obobobobobi]

Nop just Latin not Greek.

[@mariuss1590]

I wish you guys would do a series on Constantine like you did on Belisarius

[@iDeathMaximuMII]

That would be epic (no pun intended) Constantine’s rise is so fascinating

[@mariuss1590]

@@iDeathMaximuMII yesss, plus it would really match their vibe also not many people know a lot about him, same with Julian the Apostate which could be done in like two parts

[@TheAnakinn]

It's only a matter of time, I'm sure

[@thisway9275]

we all know turk is not from here Turk tribe is from Mongolia and uyghur in China ; they were not civilized in the past and kept attacked China; so China built the wall against them ; after great wall unfortunately, they head towards the west In the beginning, others kingdoms used the Turk tribe for a fight ,for example , you can still see those Turkish tribe in iraq and Syria About 700 years ago, turk tribe was all over anatolia , and they used Islam as an appochont, and they became Khalifa!! They killed many Armenian; Greek; kurd ; assyrian... to make fake country on the blood, and they named turkey 120 years ago

[@ministeriosemmanuel638]

Basil 2 too!

[@AlexHellene]

Interesting to note, that currently, the Greeks in Constantinople (Istanbul), are still referred to as ''Romans''' by the Turks. And the Greek Orthodox Patriarch is still referred to as the ''Roman Patriarch'' by the Turks also.

[@letsgoooo342]

No one cares what Turks refer to people lol. France, Britain, Italy , Spain and even Germany are the true successors of the Roman Empire.

[@aresmoraitis1784]

Yeah, because they are not Greeks!

[@panosc2705]

​@aresmoraitis1784 the word roman had diffrent meaning after the fall of western real roman empire. The word roman was a name for Greeks at that point

[@aresmoraitis1784]

@@panosc2705 This is like saying the Holy Roman Empire was the true successor of the Roman Empire. Both entities, Greeks and the HRE, just try to claim the legendary legacy.

[@panosc2705]

@aresmoraitis1784 it's true , the real legacy falls under Greeks, but pope moved the title to HRE because Byzantine emperor called romans as barbarians and since then the western Europeans referred to Byzantine empire as " Empire of Greeks " in order to remove the claim of roman title from them

[@kieferonline]

I like this phrase: "The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire." 😂

[@ibraheemshuaib8954]

It was just "The"

[@risannd]

It used to be Until it isn't

[@nodruj8681]

Apart from the fact that it was, and the writer was a bellend 😂

[@pindol69]

@@risannda state cannot be holy

[@PoolD3ad007]

Best comment ever !! Greetings from an atheist ⚛️ Greek 👍 I like this phrase: " Holyshit Roman Popempire" Popes were the orks and priests ( patriarchs ) sarouman 😂😂 Glory to Roman Republic and Julian the Great S.Q.P.R ❤ better than all Christianity 😜

[@errolthompson4204]

A Civilization/Empire that lasted through 2000 years is an astonishing feat.

[@The_king567]

Rome didn’t last that long

[@jackmack6217]

@@The_king567from the Roman kingdom to the fall of Constantinople it would be around 2200 years or so

[@The_king567]

@@jackmack6217 that’s not what he’s talking about he’s talking about the empire

[@jackmack6217]

@@The_king567 he typed Civilization and / empire, so his comment is still overall correct to a certain degree.

[@The_king567]

@@jackmack6217 nah

[@saya_miguel_akunlama3008]

The Roman empire simply evolved

[@ugabugabagaga]

The roman empire ceased to exist after the schism, the reason is that eastern Rome's residents were non-roman , ethnically i mean.The only common thing Byzantium had woth Rome, is it's administrative tradition

[@peterroberts7684]

@@ugabugabagaga Nonsense

[@ugabugabagaga]

@@peterroberts7684 Why is that?

[@MarcoCaprini-do3dq]

​@@ugabugabagagabecause being Roman if more like an idea than an ethincity. The original Romans were in Lazio (Italy), then they started to expand into other territories, assimilating other people and cultures

[@ugabugabagaga]

@@MarcoCaprini-do3dq What does idea mean?You either are Greek or Roman or whatever.In Byzantium , Romans were an absolute minority ethnically.

[@federicograci2372]

Si chiama Impero Romano d'oriente . E no impero bizantino . Si chiama impero romano d'oriente

[@dansmith4077]

Excellent short

[@ScrappyPower]

Absolutely

[@ΑνίκητοςΓιαννούδης]

This video literally explains why the Greeks called themselves as Romans these days. Byzantine empire was just the name given to make everyone forget that this empire was the part of the Roman empire that managed to exist, so they could call Charlemagne "Holy Roman Emperor".

[@Fiaw1]

Yup. The old Germanic inferiority complex. Calling themselves Roman, then renaming the actual Romans 😂.

[@magtovi]

"True inheritors" Pfffft, glorified barbarians that sacked first the Western Roman Empire and centuries later did the same with the Eastern Roman Empire and called it a "crusade".

[@nodruj8681]

Meds coping because the northerners out did them 😂

[@MdKashif-vl3mx]

Christian's r the one who start crusades. Ottomans nd other muslim states r just chilling

[@Castlelong333]

The Crusaders were invited in by the Bizantians, in a dispute between themselves, the Crusaders were promised massive amounts of gold , when it was not paid, they took it ,( to the great cost of history ) careful who you promise big promises to and don't keep,

[@WarriorofChrist612]

@@Castlelong333And then it back-fired when they left Byzantium open for the ottoman Turks. So much for a crusade to Jerusalem.

[@Castlelong333]

@@WarriorofChrist612 who invited who in , and yes it ended bad , so much for the Greeks fighting amongst themselves, and then inviting in an army promising massive money, and when they don't pay , it all goes wrong, so the ones who were infighting, blame the one's they promised money too , so much for broken promises , the Greeks are just if not more to blame, and we all lost , eg the biggest Christian city in Europe

[@SaltySparrow]

I think about Byzantium at least once a week.

[@wonderingmechatronics7114]

while I think of the roman empire once a day :)

[@alexvlaxos6620]

You made me shed a tear😢

[@SandeepKumar-i2i8e]

Me to brother

[@0my]

don't you wish we could go back?

[@Jo1975S]

❤

[@Pet-x9r]

Είναι πολύ απλό και δεν χρειάζεται ερμηνεία. Ξεκίνησε ως Ανατολικό ρωμαϊκό κράτος για καλύτερη διακυβέρνηση. Αναγκαστικά σε μια περιοχή με μεγάλο Ελληνικό πλυθησμο και ακόμα μαγαλυτερο Ελληνόφωνο πληθυσμό, το ρωμαϊκό στοιχείο άρχισε να μειώνεται ώσπου απορροφήθηκε τελείως. Το κράτος πήρε μια ξεχωριστή, δική του πορεία με έντονα τα Ελληνικά στοιχεία. Το δυτικό πήρε μια άλλη πορεία, λατινική. Το όνομα Ρωμαίος παρέμεινε για δύο σημαντικούς λόγους. Πρώτον ως ανάμνηση ενός πολύ μεγάλου και δυνατού κράτους, που έδινε κύρος και στα δύσκολα χρονια που ακολούθησαν. Δεύτερον γιατί το όνομα Έλληνας για αρκετούς αιώνες είχε ταυτιστεί με τον πιστό των αρχαίων θεών και όχι με τον χριστιανισμό. Το Βυζάντιο λοιπόν η το Ανατολικό ρωμαϊκό κράτος, ήταν άλλο το 400 μ.χ και τελείως διαφορετικό το 1000.Ειχε πλέον τελείως εξελληνιστεί. Ως Έλληνας, σας λέω ότι ακόμα και σήμερα λέμε ότι οι είμαστε "Ρωμιοί" που σημαίνει λαϊκά Ρωμαίοι και αυτό είναι μια ανάμνηση της ιστορίας.

[@gokhanakay8446]

Good narrative, almost exact and correct.

[@alexor081]

The Roman Empire of the west died the Eastern Greeks would never call themselves a derivative of the Latin language they despised. They evolved on their own. They never called themselves the eastern part of anything. They spoke in Greek. Greek Rhomioi not Romans. The latin influence on everything simplifies history. They were ethnically Greeks and natives of the Greek Minor Asia and modern day Greece. They bore the Greco-Roman world. They were Greek Romaioi, Byzantines is a nice name especially to the majority of mainstream media that think Roman was only in Italy. They spoke Greek and were in aggression with the Latins. In 1182, they killed every Latin foreigner in Constantinople. Due to their superiority complex, the descendants of Ancient Greek (minus the pagan traditions) and true Rome stood fiercely with Constantinople. They didn't call themselves "Eastern Roman" but Kingdom of the Rhomaioi. They certainly wouldn't want a name derivative from Latin language to describe the Greek indigenous people. If not for anything else, the Byzantine Greek Romans of Anatolia disproves the Renaissance Italian narrative of losing touch with antiquity and falling into darkness because the Greeks in the east never did.

[@monthertheokguy7311]

So many reject this. they still follow the forced history of german scholars

[@dbjkatz]

Who are/were these Germanic scholars?

[@bojanmilenkovic2043]

@@dbjkatz it's in schools ,the same thing is pope is leader of Christianity

[@mojewjewjew4420]

People are fortunately waking up to it, I mean compare all the new info and videos to the older ones like 10 or 8 years ago. Even wiki was changed.

[@simonpantermuller6997]

"forced history of the germanic scholars" what's that supposed to mean

[@dimieneyitemi1721]

@@simonpantermuller6997the Holy Roman Empire for example, a bunch of Germans trying to pretend to be romans

[@GriuGriu64]

We Greeks keep on calling ourselves as "Romios", while for Turkey we are the "Rum".

[@mydogsbutler]

Speaking as a Greek, you have no clue what you are talking. We don't call ourselves Romaios today. The only ones that do that are Christians in other regional countries or maybe a few migrants from those countries..

[@GriuGriu64]

@@mydogsbutler η λεξη "ΡΩΜΙΟΣ" υπαρχει ακομα στη γλωσσα μας. Και στα τραγουδια μας. Αν εσυ θελεις να αποκοπεις απο την ιστορικη μας συνεχεια, αυτο ειναι δικο σου προβλημα.

[@mydogsbutler]

@@GriuGriu64 We all know we called ourselves Romans in the past but Roman was not an ethnicity just like American is not an ethnicity. We consider ancient Greeks our roots. After the fall of multi-ethnic eastern Roman empire we went back to calling ourselves Greek not Roman. Our country is called Greece not Rome., The heart of our education and language comes from ancient Greece not Rome. If you personally feel different that's YOUR problem. Millions of Greeks call themselves Greek not Roman and ultimately consider ancient Greeks our roots..

[@mydogsbutler]

@@GriuGriu64 Call yourself Roman if you wish. Just don't lie by ridiculously implying Greeks call themselves Romans today. .

[@mydogsbutler]

@@GriuGriu64 The word Roman also exists in Italy too. They don't call themselves Romans. They call themselves Italians.

[@eklavyabohare9938]

Some People say that “OhHhOh, RoMaN eMpIrE wAs FoUnDeD iN 27bC, aNd FeLl iN 1922” 😑 I tell that Byzantine Empire may also be the Eastern Roman Empire, but it also was a different Empire of its own, and Ottoman Empire was NOT Roman… why this has to be told to some people

[@hogriderhogw1696]

Eastern roman empire was the roman empire, the east never fell think of it like this, in a hypothetical scenario India is United, North India is conquered by China but couldn't take South India, Now is the south India different from the original UI it was part of?

[@eklavyabohare9938]

@@hogriderhogw1696 look I agree and myself say that Byzantine Empire was a successor of The Roman Empire, and that also a true one, it’s the eastern Roman Empire, and it was Roman defiantly, but it wasn’t a direct continuation… Like The Roman Empire, the one great united Roman Empire, was till 395 AD, till this year the Roman Emperor was Theodesius I, then it permanently devided, and can we say that first Byzantine Emperor was a successor to Theodesius I? I don’t know, I forgot the name of the first Byzantine Emperor again, and is it subjective that he was a successor to Theodesius I or not? I even forgot that was The First Byzantine Emperor right after 395 AD or not… Yes Byzantine Empire was a true successor to The Roman Empire, it was Roman, many things from Roman Empire were continued and kept in it, but it was not the same Empire, it was Byzantine/Eastern Roman Empire, a successor, not the same Empire But my comment was not about Byzantine Empire, it was about how some people say that Roman Empire fell in 1922, these kind of people are rare I think, I don’t know… but i have seen them online, I never said anything to them, but saw them saying and believing that Roman Empire founded in 27 BC and ended in 1922… as if Ottoman Empire was also a Roman Empire… it was not… Sultan Suleiman Shandar was not a Roman Emperor, he was Ottoman Sultan, I somewhere heard that Ottomans believed they were ruling over Romans… I don’t know, but Otoman Empire was not Roman Empire And there once was plans of South Indian states, Andhra Pradesh, Karnatak, Telangana, Kerala, Tamil Nadu, all being united independent separate nation called Dravidnadu, Dravid means South India, I forgot what happen to plans, but they don’t want to be a separate country anymore, I don’t know if China ever conquered entire North India, South India would be a country of its own or remain named India only… either it will remain India, or it will be something else

[@Astrodexterous]

If Byzantium was renamed to Constantinople before the partition of east and west, then why don’t we call it the Constantine Empire instead?

[@eternal_riftz8801]

Because it was roman empire bruh

[@NikephorosCaesar]

It was also called NOVA ROMA aka new Rome

[@iDeathMaximuMII]

And many people who follow the “Byzantine” term act as if a country can’t change itself over time. The Roman Republic of the 3rd century BC was very different from the Roman Republic of the 1st century BC. The Roman Empire of the 1st & early 3rd centuries was different from the Roman Empire of the late 3rd to 7th centuries. A state can’t survive if it doesn’t evolve. If the Eastern Romans didn’t change themselves over time, we would be calling it a failed state that refused to adapt to it’s new surroundings. But they did adapt, Latin was still used for certain usages. The Eastern Roman court used Classical Latin in communication with the West & still used it while Latin in Italy was changing due to different peoples (Lombards, Rugii, Ostrogoths, etc.) speaking the Roman tongue in their own way. Emperors like Basil I, Michael III, Basil II & Constantine VII, all still used Latin in their coinage aswell as Greek

[@nazeem8680]

well, the western states also used Latin when communicating with each other, in official writing, religious and secular litterature? And they also struck coins with latin on them? Even the Umayyads struck coins in Latin in Africa and Iberia, with the latin version of the muslim testimony of faith "In nomine Domini non deus nissi Deus cui non similis" In the name of the lord, there is no god but god, nothing is similar to him

[@raulpetrascu2696]

Most people who use the term Byzantine don't act like it's a different country, just that it means Eastern Roman Empire and it's a distinct part describing a certain culture, language, politics, geography and timeframe. It's not a bad term, as long as you make it clear it's the Byzantine Roman Empire, the Romans of Byzantine times etc. Byzantine Empire basically means Constantinoplian Empire anyway so it's not exactly false either.. It's true they're the Roman Empire, but I still find it a useful term in history. Byzantine Studies is a separate course in college because they were so different and had unique attributes at that stage. When you say Byzantines everyone knows what you mean

[@Aioradeleo27]

​@@raulpetrascu2696No, it is not a useful concept, since it was coined under a political objective of distorting history to discredit the Eastern Roman Empire and establish that the West is the only true heir of the Roman Empire. That is completely evident in the historiography that uses the term Byzantine Empire as a State foreign and completely different from the Roman Empire.

[@Proph3t3N]

From my experience, most people who use term Byzantium are either taught this way in school, or are Greek and argue that "Byzantians" were Greeks and try to do typical historical revisionism. There is no arguing with the likes of them.

[@raulpetrascu2696]

@@Aioradeleo27 that was many years ago (beforehand it was "Empire of the Greeks" in the west) and we're talking about modern historiography. Serious historians (who know the origin) still use it, it's useful now as ever. And it's no longer taught that they're not Romans, especially when Byzantine history starts before the fall of the west, so what's the problem? Being practical There's not anything incorrect about the term either, the empire centered around Constantinople. Outside of academia many history videos say Byzantine and we click on them and we have an understanding of what it means for example. Or in strategy games you'll have the Romans with Trajan and legions and roads and pagans speaking Latin, and you have the Byzantines who speak Greek and have Greek fire and cataphracts and defensive walls, they have their own flavours. How is it not useful? And why does no one have a problem with the other cases of this like Abbasid vs Ummayad Calpihate, or even when we say the Republic vs the Empire? -when they themselves didn't make a distinction. Even their Greek descendants use it, only people who could be annoyed are long dead. A distinction between the Roman Empire of antiquity and the Roman Empire of the middle ages is useful and necessary in the discussion of history I think you're mistaken on this idea that historians use Byzantine to say it's a totally separate state. Nobody does that in 2023, ERE and BE are synonyms. So there is no practical reason. But if you see someone say the Byzantines were not Roman you correct their error, no need to throw out useful recognisable terms

[@Bill-cc5ml]

Fun fact: the Greeks after the fall of Constantinople never forgot about reconquering Constantinople as their true capital. The Greek Revolution had always had as a primary objective the restitution of the Byzantine Empire. This dream was abolished officially and strategically by the Hellenes in 1923. Quite recently in historical terms. But the recent generations, especially since the 80’s, if not much sooner, have completely forgotten about these aspirations. Our grandmothers kept some echos of those dreams telling us sometimes when we were young : « some day those parts will be ours » and the Greek Orthodox chants will sound again in the Hagia Sophia cathedral in Constantinople. Of course, after the 1922 events and the repatriation of the Greeks of Asia Minor and Constantinople (today Wester Turkey) all that has been gradually forgotten and the Greek refugees, descendants of the Greeks that lived in the Greek speaking Roman Empire of the East, founded new cities in Greece giving them names of the cities they left in Asia Minor and created many new « Hagia Sophias » to keep the dear memory of their lost capital of the Medieval Hellenism.

[@RaimoHöft]

Rome... just Rome. Rome is Rome. Romae Aeterna!!! 🤗

[@SkeeloHendrix]

THIS MAN SAID.. “to the Greek city Byzantine..” 😂😂😂🤔🤔

[@AntoniosPhotiades]

Constantine did not rename Byzantium Constantinople. He renamed it as Nova Roma. Constantinople was a colloquial name that sprung between the hellenophone plebs, who were used to such kind of calling newly founded cities by mighty lords.

[@blessednesscrw4217]

they never call the empire vyzantine empire but eastern rome empire the name vyzantium comes from the catholics and the western rome empire now we use the name of vysantium because we forgot that this is our worldwide thousand-year-old Greek messianic history and that we are its continuations and believers of its religion

[@oussama1811]

fun fact: the emperor Constantine apparently had this little habit of naming cities after himself, he also renamed cirta the capital of numidia to constantine, it's now a major city in eastern algeria that still holds the same name

[@vlody33]

Constantinople wasn't named after him initially. It was called New Rome when it was established

[@Haijwsyz51846]

Like Alexander the great.

[@savioblanc]

Except he named the city, Nova Roma or New Rome, so...

[@damaskosc]

He renamed it Nova Roma. It was later renamed Constantinople in his honor.

[@s.p.q.r2104]

Even during the reign of Heraclius we find the legio III Parthica (and many others) regularly deployed on the eastern front

[@mohammedsaysrashid3587]

Nice historical coverage short video with sufficient information 👌 👍🏻

[@ahad1609]

He did not mention the Illyrians like Constantine or Justinian.

[@alexor081]

They were ethnically Greeks and natives of the Greek Minor Asia and modern day Greece. They bore the Greco-Roman world. They were Greek Romaioi, Byzantines is a nice name especially to the majority of mainstream media that think Roman was only in Italy. They spoke Greek and were in aggression with the Latins. In 1182, they killed every Latin foreigner in Constantinople. Due to their superiority complex, the descendants of Ancient Greek (minus the pagan traditions) and true Rome stood fiercely with Constantinople. They didn't call themselves "Eastern Roman" but Kingdom of the Rhomaioi. They certainly wouldn't want a name derivative from Latin language to describe the Greek indigenous people. If not for anything else, the Byzantine Greek Romans of Anatolia disproves the Renaissance Italian narrative of losing touch with antiquity and falling into darkness because the Greeks in the east never did.

[@casamia995]

false reference

[@vasileiospapazoglou2362]

Finally someone who dares to tell some truths.

[@Alejojojo6]

He didnt say any truth.

[@mojewjewjew4420]

​@@Alejojojo6cry about it

[@simonpantermuller6997]

As if it were somehow forbidden to refer to the Eastern Roman Empire as Roman.

[@omkarkulkarni6282]

1461 AD actually after the fall of Trebizond

[@BarlasofIndus]

Yep, but the institution of empire already had fallen even if one of its provinces was still there. Just like how west Rome fell but some of its provinces were still there

[@vegasboy5931]

If we’re going by this logic, Theodoro not Trebizond was the last imperial state to fall in 1475 AD to the Ottomans

[@benfleming6936]

Constantine named the city Nova Roma but eventually people called it Constantinople

[@CloudCrash]

To point out since this is never stated, while the Byzantine Empire is a later invention, the Western Kingdoms never referred to them as Roman. As the video points out they would call them the Kingdom/Empire of the Greeks or Constantinople or something along those lines. But the video doesn’t do a good job of emphasizing that those names are what were used when the empire was still around. The Byzantines referred to themselves as Roman and so did the Ottomans, but the West never did. So to say we need to refer to them as how they referred to themselves as is a bit pointless since the West has never done that, and in fact, most places don’t get referred to as what the people themselves actually call it.

[@Gia1911Logous]

As Greeks to this day we still refer to ourselves as Romans

[@anthonymort5202]

Constantine seems like such a humble guy

[@moonstone4475]

I don’t think so

[@mojewjewjew4420]

He actually called it new Rome but then people started refering to it As city of Constantine and it stuck.

[@anthonymort5202]

@@moonstone4475 Yeah, that was the point of the joke.

[@moonstone4475]

@@anthonymort5202 😆 fair enough

[@AntoniosPhotiades]

Well, no one of them were humble. But, for what it's worth, he did not rename Byzantium Constantinople. He renamed it Nova Roma. Constantinople is a colloquial expression that surged between the plebeians, as they were accustomed to labeling thus, I mean city of 'name', newly established cities by powerful people.

[@waynefredricson6584]

Free Palestine free Julian Assange, thankyou brother George

[@theyapconnoisseur]

Free yourself from speaking.

[@tulmax82]

Nothing new here for us who studied in Europe, I understand this is incredibly big news for our US brethren who are more into Hollywood movies than books…

[@no.1spectator39]

It started from Rome

[@jackmack6217]

and ended in Constantinople

[@ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣΑΥΤΟΚΡΑΤΟΡΑΣ]

​@@jackmack6217It's still rome.

[@PoolD3ad007]

Rome and Constantinople are cities dude not empires nowadays , Roman empire started west ended to the east when your Roman Emperor moved the city to Byzantium so Rome cancelled ❌ as Capital of an empire and existed only as City then all the power and control of the empire started its plans and wars from the leader of ROMAN empire that dominated and organized his army in the capital of Roman empire The great Constantinople!

[@ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣΑΥΤΟΚΡΑΤΟΡΑΣ]

@@PoolD3ad007 We don't care about rome or constantinople period.

[@ElCarboon]

He didn't name it Constantinople but New Rome

[@malachiomeletoe4320]

True imagine people saying youre not roman just becuase you change your capitals name Some people are so dumb

[@gilpaubelid3780]

​@@malachiomeletoe4320Byzantines were Greeks with Roman citizenship. So they were both Greeks (ethnically) and Romans (politically). The problem is when people play games with the word Roman (a term that changed meaning multiple times through history) and try to present medieval Greeks/byzantines as the same people as the ancient romans (something that Byzantines never claimed to be)

[@malachiomeletoe4320]

@@gilpaubelid3780 but theyre still roman, if youre an asian living in america that still means youre an american so why do people say that the byzantine arent roman

[@Clearwood_]

@@gilpaubelid3780 "something that Byzantines never claimed to be" You do know the Romans never referred to themselves as Byzantine. At no point in history was there a "Byzantine Empire".

[@PoolD3ad007]

It's so simple Byzantium was an ancient Greek colony that not belongs from the beginning to Roman Republic and when Roman empire created and expanded Constantine has ' transferred ' the capital from Rome to other city (Byzantium)as emperor then the empire remains the same it not changes the existence of a huge empire when the west side conquered from Germanic tribes and many other tribes cause they have destroyed Rome or other places (cities )in Italian peninsula ,An empire not changed its meaning or origin for some weird reason but only Shrinked and lose lands ( territories) !!😜

[@tylerredforge5563]

Oh god the turks in this comment section are going to go breserk

[@staceygruver1969]

No, when the Muslim’s breach the walls of Constantinople, that was the end of the byzantine Empire not when the name of the city changed to Istanbul….

[@shiryu9738]

Originally, Mehmed the Conqueror named it Islambul. wich means the house of Islam Ataturk the secular atheist changed the name later

[@Matt-sg4bm]

Didn't realise the Roman empire finished so late...

[@ZigZagKid_AZ]

Right around the time they discovered Americas

[@manupontheprecipice6254]

If you look at it honestly, the Middle Ages began when Rome (the Western half) fell and ended when Rome (the Eastern half) fell.

[@The_king567]

It didn’t

[@The_king567]

@@ZigZagKid_AZwrong

[@thx1168]

Because it didn't

[@TerrorbelliDecuspacis-w5f]

Last Byzantine emperor - died defending Constantinople vs last ottoman sultan - left Constantinople comfortably in a British battleship. I can't stop laughing

[@selimd40]

1+4+5+3=13 exact! That's where the Friday the 13. comes from.

[@tombullish3198]

No... Just No.. Constantinople fell on 29 May 1453, which was on a Sunday. Friday the 13th comes from the prosecution of the Knights Templar by Phillip IV of France, (and the Pope). For the Templars, that end began in the early morning hours of Friday, October 13, 1307, when hundreds of them got arrested.

[@selimd40]

@@tombullish3198 read again!

[@ulicadluga]

Another fun fact: Ironically, the last Western Roman Emperor was named "Romulus", like the "legendary" founder and first King of Rome, some 1220 years earlier.

[@NikephorosCaesar]

Except he wasn’t the last western Roman emperor Nepos was

[@ulicadluga]

@@NikephorosCaesar Well, Romulus Augustus, who was Emperor from October 475 to September 476, was not even a teenager when he was deposed. He was granted a massive pension by Odoacer and Theodoric the Great. So, he was a bit of a "Happy End" to the Roman Empire.

[@ulicadluga]

@@NikephorosCaesar Nepos was succeeded by Romulus Augustus. But, in many ways Nepos was as flimsy as Romulus Augustus - his reign, ending in 465, was even shorter.

[@PoolD3ad007]

And Julian the great your daddy Greetings from an atheist ⚛️ Greek!!! And glory to Belisarius!

[@ForTheBrotherhood]

​@@NikephorosCaesarWell, with Romulus, the Empire in the West had officially ended and his regalia moved to Constantinople

[@Verita1975]

LOL .. I love when the ethnio-religious debates start. Fun Fact .. if you have ever studied history .. Rome started as a kingdom, then became a republic. It was a city state. To be Roman you had to live in .. Rome … in the beginning there was Roman citizenship, and below that Latin citizenship, so on and so forth. Then there were the Social Wars in which Rome granted citizenship first to the Latins and then eventually it spread to Italy. Others had to either buy their way in or serve in the Roman Army etc to become citizens. The term Empire is very misleading. Romans detested Kings ( ask Julius Caesar) … so Octavian had to essentially take over roles but still leave the titles of various magistrates th (such as consul) in place. Emperor is the English translation for a person who had Imperium ( which simply means the right to command .. which every Roman Magistrate had). Roman “Emperors” would use the Latin term Augustus .. as it expanded the Roman state became impossible to manage so it would be constantly be split into 2 or 4 ( so you could at any time have up to 4 “Augustus”) who would each be fighting each other ( plus more who would be proclaimed “ Augustus “ by their legions).2 things changed the Roman state forever 1. Was the granting of Roman Citizenship to everyone by the Edict of Caracalla …in 212 ( helped with the collection of more taxes) and the second was the Constantine moving his court to Byzantium. ( By that stage the the Roman State had already been centred in Trier, Milan, Nicomedia , Sirmium etc). Traditionally trained historians have used the move to Constantinople to denote the end of the Classical period and the beginning of the Medieval period, as Constantine’s court resembled an Easterm Monarchy more than a Republic. In then end there is only one Rome, it’s on the Tiber river where it has always been. The Roman Republic’s legions always marched under the banner of 4 Latin letters SPQR .. the Senate and People of Rome .. This ridiculous notion of who claims to be Roman is nowadays is pathetic … a person who lives in Rome is a Roman! If you want to get Legalistic every descendant of a person who was granted Roman Citizenship .. is a Roman … which after 1700 odd years of people procreating is probably every human on the planet !

[@shimanopetermann9068]

The Eastern Roman Empire is called Byzantine Empire by historians to avoid confusion with the undivided ancient Roman Empire. It's like with the imperial titles. The ruler of the Holy Roman Empire is mostly called "Holy Roman Emperor" by historians, even though his actual title was just "Emperor of the Romans", because this makes it easier to differentiate between the rulers of Rome in the ancient period, the Holy Roman Empire, and the Eastern Roman Empire.

[@simonpantermuller6997]

Finally someone got it right

[@aishikage09]

Constantinople moved the capital to East when Rome was still undivided, hence the New Rome (Constantinople, or Constantine's city is the new capital), all government functions moved there (think of it as Turkey moving its capital to Ankara). Rome was not even the capital of the undivided Roman Empire during its its latter days, emperors liked to move to new capitals like Ravenna. Hence, UNDIVIDED Roman Empire's capital became New Rome and not Rome. Western part of the empire was conquered. The eastern part never changed its identity, and is a direct continuation of the empire. So it is still the true Roman Empire. The HRE is a bogus one. It is not Roman, nor holy, nor an empire. It is a collection of city-states of Germans. Imagine you conquer western half of USA. If the capital is still in the eastern part, no matter what it is still USA. Even if some bogus conqueror claims the western part of USA as Holy USA, eastern part of USA will still be the true USA. Byzantine Empire was a term coined long after Roman Empire ended with Ottoman invasion. It was invented by European countries for their political machinations. I'm from Philippines, and a Roman Catholic. Yet I better understand 9th grade history than most of these who claim they know it all.

[@Clearwood_]

@@simonpantermuller6997 Got it right? Lol yeah ok dude is so wrong it's not even funny.

[@Fiaw1]

​@@simonpantermuller6997 Big yikes. Imagine stating someone is right when they are not. Woah.

[@mydogsbutler]

The real reason wht the eastern Roman empire is referenced as Byzantine today.. the Holy Roman empire refused to call the other one Roman because they claimed they were the one and only Roman empire. They called the other Greek for centuries. Even the use of the term "Byzantine' is a reference to the original ancient Greek name for Constantiniple. After the west adopted this term, the rest of the world did. Most people have no clue Byzantine is a reference to ancient Greek civilizaion not Roman.

[@lucasserralta6477]

The Byzantines never called themselves Byzantines but as Romans

[@mydogsbutler]

During the middle ages the Holy Roman empire insisted they were the real Roman empire. T hey called the other one Greek.

[@lucasserralta6477]

@@mydogsbutler yes but it doesn't mean the Byzantines called themselves other than Romans

[@mydogsbutler]

@@lucasserralta6477 What's your point? And it doesn't mean the Holy Roman empire didn't consider themselves the one and only Roman empire and called the other one Greek. Even the term Byzantine is a reference to ancient Greek civilization not Roman.

[@mydogsbutler]

@@lucasserralta6477 Virtually no one who claims to speak of this history has a clue why the name Byzantine arose. it's because the Holy Roman empire saw itself as the real Roman empire. They called the other one Greek for centuries. They later used the term "Byzantine" precisely because it was a reference to ancient Greeks rather than Romans. Then the rest of the world adopted that nomenclature. It's only today that some revisionists have changed the Hoy Roman empire context of "Byzantine" to mean something other than Greeks that called themselves Romans. I would also point out many of the same sorts claimed slavs are "ethnic" Macedonians and play dumb about their identity change into ancient Macedonians.. Frankly I interprete attempts to disconnect Greeks from ancient Greeks as racism towards Greeks.

[@ilhan2947]

Fatih sultan mehmet conquered roman empire and was called kayseri rum( the ceasar of the romans)

[@KEVINMURTHY2KEVINMURTHY2]

Faith sultan Mehmet was NEVER the Ceasar or a Kaiser. Get your heads out of your Arabic Islamic Butt's. 😮

[@casamia995]

hey alqaid islama WTF

[@vegasboy5931]

@@KEVINMURTHY2KEVINMURTHY2hairy butts

[@mohamedeljallouli4726]

Jezus was a palestian, he was blond but looked middle eastern

[@mrgopnik5964]

Fun fact: there was an exchange of letters between the Eastern and Holy Roman Emperors, in which they refer to each other as “King of the Greeks” and “King of the Barbarians” respectively

[@ahmadzeiad3748]

Fun fact: Khalid Bin Walid (greates general of all time) absolutely annihilated byzantine empire

[@gideonros2705]

So?

[@ahmadzeiad3748]

@@gideonros2705 so put respect on the goat general ever

[@ahmadzeiad3748]

@@Epirus_COM nope he lost, only khalid bin walid never lost with over 60 battles, alexander got demolished

[@nodruj8681]

​​@@ahmadzeiad3748khalid literally didn't destroy anything, the byzantine outlived his for hundreds of years, he's burning in hell the roach 😂😂

[@ahmadzeiad3748]

@@nodruj8681 read history dummy, he destroyed them 4 times with less "power " than them m, but you are an Islam hater of course you would say that about the greatest general Khalid Bin Walid, you can keep crying for long time kid

[@stri2003]

"H Ρωμιοσύνη εν να χαθεί όταν ο κόσμος λείψει"

[@MC-gj8fg]

Frankly, Byzantium wasn't Rome, but a successor state thereof. When the country was split into two, they were no longer the same country, but simply the most territory Rome ever ceded without a fight. They became a separate allied country, but it was always only a matter of time that interests differed and what resulted was non-civil war. There was little connective tissue between east and west. Not in geography, ethnicity, language, or anything else. The east was roman only insofar as they perceived themselves as such, and delusional thinking is no basis for determining the facts.

[@Thomas.Nikolaidis10]

"Empire of the greeks" Well they were not wrong there. Romans politicaly, Greeks Biologicaly

[@heyokasamurai453]

Doesn’t know the surviving Roman patrician families escaped to Constantinople after Rome fell

[@RobiLee-h7g]

The Greeks were politically as well

[@gilpaubelid3780]

​@@heyokasamurai453And they were completely absorbed during the early byzantine period. The empire was controlled by the Greeks during the byzantine period, not by the ancient romans anymore.

[@Thomas.Nikolaidis10]

@@RobiLee-h7g can you repeat that?

[@heyokasamurai453]

@@gilpaubelid3780 only assimilated 150 years later though

[@soulabear9146]

Roman Empire: The Silmarillion Byzantine Empire: LOTR HRE: GoT

[@nobody.6451]

“Verily, you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful army will that army be, and what a wonderful commander will that conqueror be.” ﷺ -

[@tarkanyilmaz6905]

All the Turkish hating Greeks should remember they still have their Greek names, still Christians and speak Greek. Just think what would have happened if the Turks did what the British or the French did

[@gideonros2705]

500 years of a backward Empire. You've done enough.

[@ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣΑΥΤΟΚΡΑΤΟΡΑΣ]

Imagine you did not have atatürk today you would been hellenized and would have been speaking hellenic.

[@azi1720]

​@user-yp9zy1yc2n and now imagine if you didn't have UK and France on your side. Greek would be a dead language 😊

[@ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣΑΥΤΟΚΡΑΤΟΡΑΣ]

@@azi1720 The hellenic language will never cease to exist it is a superior and holy language compared to other inferior languages cry now♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️🇬🇷♓️

[@azi1720]

@@ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣΑΥΤΟΚΡΑΤΟΡΑΣ lmao what a nutcase 😂

[@HaydenHamilton-b6b]

Roman Empire still lives. It's called the Catholic church... 🤮

[@Gizz101]

No

[@napoliansolo7865]

Rome never ended, it became the Catholic Church.

[@raidtheferry]

I thought it was called Istanbul not Constantinople?

[@adamden9947]

If only the Roman colonies and western nations of the time fought back the Turks on the eastern front and saved the Balkans from tyrannical war lords, the Balkans would look much different today, especially the Greek peninsula!

[@vlados7971]

Macedonian peninsula

[@adamden9947]

@@vlados7971 you dream

[@adamden9947]

@@recepkoc-ss8ek facts

[@adamden9947]

@recepkoc-ss8ek why do you find it funny, assuming that I "only find turks to be war Lords?" Are you a war lord? Good chance that you are not, yet you are convinced that my presupposition is that all Turks are war mongers! At the time of Ottoman rule and under tyrannical Muslim leadership, yes, the landscape was grim! Many were killed at the hands of the Turks! Many innocent lives lost, all for what? Not converting to a tyrannical religion? Having possessions torn from them and territories and women and children! Many raped and killed as animals at the slaughterhouse Must i continue?!

[@gelisgeo1309]

Imperium Graecum

[@jackmack6217]

Imperium Romanorum*

[@gelisgeo1309]

@@jackmack6217 imperium Romanorum concerns Classical Latin BC Rome ... "Byzantine" empire was Imperium Graecum for Latins or Αυτοκρατορία Των Ρωμαίων for locals

[@jackmack6217]

@@gelisgeo1309 eh? no? it was (in ancient greek) = Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων which means Imperium Romanum in Latin.

[@gelisgeo1309]

@jackmack6217 exactly it was in Greek not in Latin. Latins wanted the Rome titles for themselves so they usually called the "Byzantine" as Graecum Imperium in their texts

[@jackmack6217]

@@gelisgeo1309 yeah but those are derogatory terms to delegitimize the eastern romans. The "byzantines" called themselves the roman empire and never "imperium Graecorum". In all eastern roman texts their empire has always been referred to as "the roman empire" and its people "romans"

[@perendieug6342]

Wrong , get the facts right. Contandin was from Iliricum Peninsula nish and not greek , second if it was greek nation, why would you accept a foreign ruler.

[@memoramos4833]

Rome is in the west where they speak Latin. Byzantine empire is in the east where they speak Greek. Rome was not not part of the Byzantine empire therefore not Roman.

[@francisdupont1656]

Rome was a part of the "Byzantine empire" for 200 years

[@memoramos4833]

@@francisdupont1656 yes only during those 200 years

[@Junior-th9rt]

They still roman stupid

[@poohtisdispenser7106]

Rome wasn’t even the capital when it fell. Ravenna and Constantinople (Nova Roma) were.

[@paulclissold1525]

we ignore the greeks in history byzantium and the fourth and last dynasty of egypt, the ptolemaic dynasty, was greek as was cleopatra.

[@a_random_orthodox_Christian]

He didn't name it Constantinople. He named it nova Roma which means new rome

[@Sword35632]

They were Greeks mostly but being the successors of Rome they called themselves Romans I guess

[@muhammadadeel8639]

Russia became the new Roman Empire after 1453 fall. With Moscow being the 3rd Rome

[@ulicadluga]

What really interests me is how "Roman" culture, architecture and habits continued after 476 C.E. If the Western Roman Empire had continued, might it have looked very similar to the "Eastern Roman Empire"? Was Rome possibly still recognisable under Odoacer? Were there still any functional cultural East/West relations under the Western Roman ruler "Theoderic the Great", who was an Ostrogoth, but described as a "Patrician of the Eastern Roman Empire"?

[@nodruj8681]

They both carried on the local traditions, historical fact

[@Konstantina-g4e]

Προτιμώ τον όρο Ελληνική ή Βυζαντινή αυτοκρατορία, αφού ήταν διαφορετική γλωσσικά, θρησκευτικά και πολιτισμικά από το δυτικό τμήμα. Στην Ανατολή κυριαρχούσε η Ελληνική γλώσσα και παιδεία.

[@myvideouploading]

Sorry it was not a Greek city. Educate yourself‼️

[@bre_me]

The fall of the Eastern Roman Empire was one of the greatest tragedies in world history because it allowed Islam (one of the most dangerous and oppressive ideologies in the world) to flourish in the Middle East.

[@mohamedeljallouli4726]

Only a pagan can say that

[@bre_me]

@@mohamedeljallouli4726 I'm not a pagan, also you're Muslim so 🙄

[@shiryu9738]

They did not allow him, on the contrary, they were forced to cooperate with their enemy, the Persian Empire, in a battle against the Muslims in order to defeat them with a number estimated between (150,000 to 300,000) against 15,000 Muslims, and yet they lost. But what could the Romans, Persians, or Arab polytheists who were oppressing the Muslims and trying to end Islam do? Islam is the religion of God that began on earth since Adam and all the prophets until the Prophet Muhammad, and God refuses except to perfect His light even if the disbelievers hate it. It is better for you to ascend and open your mind and heart and start reading the Qur’an instead of throwing fanatical accusations without knowledge. If you do not want that and prefer to be blind, drowning in the darkness of hatred and malice, then continue crying, you will cry more afer death.

[@WaissuddinAli]

The Byzantine phrase was coined by a German in the 16 century so update your info

[@christianeaster2776]

The Roman empire was first divided in the 200s AD out of the idea it was too large for one man to rule. In fact, Constantine fought a civil war with his co-emperor Maximus just before he moved the capital.

[@jamesthefirst8790]

If Maxentius would've won the Ponte Milvio Battle in Rome and kill Constantine, the Roman Empire would've last united another thousand years... Maxentius was a Real Roman and not a "mama's boy" like Constantine... His mother was brainwashed by a Christian storyteller and because she was a Christian, Constantine made Christianity the "official Religion of the Roman Empire" accentuating the decline of the Empire... He also moved the Capital to the Bosphorus Strait, building a complete new city where the small Greek village Byzantium was located... He called the City "NEW ROME"... after a few years greek speaking people started to call te city Constantinople (the city of Constantine), by the name was fficially changed after Constantine death.

[@christianeaster2776]

@@jamesthefirst8790 I agree it's quite possible Maxentius would have been a better emperor. After all he had managed to gather a larger army and thus probably had more support in the empire. Even though the Romans had a strong cult of the emperor, they didn't really tend to have a problem with people's religion as long as they were loyal to the emperor and empire. Without the discord that resulted from the adoption Christianity as the state religion, Maxentius could have achieved more unity in the empire.

[@jaymiller5669]

The empire didn’t really end it just became something else- Roman Catholic Church

[@pabreo]

nah the franks and goths ruined it, added fillioque

[@joseriver6683]

Greek city ?? Constantinopla was never Greek ..

[@chief9mm822]

Eastern Roman and I’m not gana argue about it

[@jackmack6217]

Amen!

[@mikem8211]

Ppl think Greeks get offended we're happy to be under Roman rule I wish we could bring the Empire back. The Roman's were very good to Greeks we love them

[@brunogiuntoli3382]

@@mikem8211The Romans were inspired by Hellenistic culture. Una faccia, una razza.

[@ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣΑΥΤΟΚΡΑΤΟΡΑΣ]

​​@@mikem8211No we are hellenes we have nothing in common with latin romans we have our own hellenic ancestors and history are you ok ?

[@mikem8211]

@user-yp9zy1yc2n We have nothing in common with Latin Roman's? You need to do some research Greeks and Southern Italian's have the same dna and are the same people

[@hellomynameishuman]

Pronunciation needs work

[@yusufkarahan8853]

Coz Rome established by latins of İtaly.So true romans were latins but eastern pseudo romans were greeks. Pompeus,Sezar,Antonius,Augustus are not greek.Once They conquered Greece.At last True latin Rome ended at 476 and ended Latin dominancy over three continent.

[@Gizz101]

No

[@crytill]

Fum fact: This is wrong. He named the city "Nova Roma" and only after his death did people name it Constantinople.

[@Yabadooo12973]

Yea once you move the capital out of Rome it’s no longer the Roman Empire

[@ShazKhan-xv6nd]

Fun fact - Muslim armies destroyed the Romans and the Persians at the same time and with way less numbers. Khalid bin waleed the undefeated general.

[@Gizz101]

They were both weakened

[@HereIAM-l2z]

Every single Oriental felt cheated after reading this truth. 😂

[@starabaraba6309]

No Byzantium existed. Constantiople was one and only .

[@WTFisDrifting]

Kinda gross logic. They are Greek a generation after Justinian

[@wuulfgaarth7186]

Yet the Holy Roman Empire lived on.

[@wouter-jansen]

If the cities name was changed to Constantinople before the empire split. Why is it still referred to as the Byzantine empire instead of the Constantine empire?