Episode 117: Exploring Innovative Agricultural Practices with Steve Diver

[@4given-c5h]

Two geniuses trading success stories. PRICELESS! Thank you both so much.

[@mauricecalliss1303]

WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT PLANTS ARE REALLY DOING I MEAN REALLY DOING AND THE INTERACTIONS INVOLVED ABOVE AND BELOW GROUND ETC ITS IM IN AWE AT NATURES HAND. HOW BLOODY AMAZING IT ALL RALLY IS JUST BLOWS YOUR MIND AND WE STILL DONT FULLY UNDERSTAND OR COMPREHEND THE MAGNIFICENCE IN PLAY. WOW

[@suburbanbiology]

Well dang now I feel obligated to actually read “Gels, cells and the engines of life”. Bought it when you interviewed the author but haven’t had time to actually read it yet. Great interview!!!!

[@kitmburau]

Great work as always John!

[@James-ol2fr]

I always perk up when I hear about Dr. Carey Reams or Betsy Ross! My personal feeling is that not enough of their findings are publicly available, and I love when others tell their story. I had hoped to meet Mrs. Ross at some point, as I am a fellow Texan. Was very sad to hear of her passing. I actually remember a little clip of Betsy Ross in a prairie area talking about the fungal to bacteria ratio being high, not like the ratio that we'd been told to expect, and I'd always wondered if she was speaking against Dr. Ingham's idea. Nicole Masters also just did a presentation for Dr. Ingham's channel in which she politely mentions having a much higher fungal soil on one of her recent project sites. -Katherine

[@inigomontoya8943]

I’ve enjoyed much of Elaine’s work but she never seems to change even when presented with hard evidence to the contrary. Now If only I could afford the $5,000 course I’d know the real secrets.

[@tinfoilhatscholar]

Excellent discussion. Much appreciated. John, I think its time for another comprehensive review of the "plant health nutrition pyramid". It is an amazing thought paradigm and i hope you'll showcase it more. Thank you.

[@davidhunt3881]

Quantum biology would be a great funk fusion band name. Been thinking a lot about quantum entanglement and biology since John mentioned mycorrhizal communication in Oregon that occurs faster than the speed of light. There is so much we don't know. How exciting, thanks for all the work that you do.

[@danlefever6254]

When I explain the AEA paradigm to growers of any size, (to 😊an average of 2 or more persons per week), I always tell them it's a Quantum Leap above organic. Now I know I am not exaggerating in the least, and it really is Quantum Biology!

[@tinfoilhatscholar]

Indeed. I hope you're also tuned into the quantum biology collective podcasts! And don't forget Mae-Wan Ho's quantum jazz;)

[@perplexingpebbles]

Always a good strap in, and just listen

[@jerryschulz5074]

There's a school of natural farming that followed a Japanese farmer. I think there are 3 main teachings. No additives. Use saved seed. Keep plants at same location. It's an intriguing method and left me wanting more. Curious if you are familiar with the system I am referencing.

[@LutherAEvans]

Looking forward to hearing the RFK interview!

[@samuelszalma4957]

You are my inspiration.

[@matthewcerini699]

There are doctors now who are claiming that eating plants is not optimal for humans and they have results and data to back it up. I understand that plants have nutrition, but in my years of regen studies, I am plagued by this one paradox - If a healthy plant is one that can best protect itself from predators (which includes humans), then how can they be part of a healthy human diet? For example, oxalates and sugar (Brix) in most fruits and vegetables, etc. I am sure there are many scientific explanations, but I have never seen this question asked by anyone but me - and I have never been provided with an answer. I am willing to play the role of the ignorant one in order to learn the truth. Thanks. Love your podcasts.

[@outlander330cc]

While I'm not as knowledgable as some I had a couple thoughts when I read your comment. I wouldn't call them predators. The insects that we are making plants resistant to are more trash collectors than predators, they are trying to cycle sub-optimal nutritionally poor biomass. On the other hand, John and others have talked about how when you get your plants to be very healthy they may be fully resistant to insects and disease, but they are more appealling to deer, birds etc. They are a natural part of the human and animal food chain. If plants were going to be resistant to animals and humans, what would a healthy plant's role be in the world and and the food chain? It wouldn't have a reason to exist.

[@matthewcerini699]

@@outlander330cc Thanks. I'm not saying they don't have nutrition and have a role as sustenance when no meat is available or useful as medicine (because they are toxic to parasites, etc.) I am saying that there is growing evidence that plants may not be optimal for humans as part of our regular diet. I am seeing that bio engineers are trying to create GMO spinach with low oxalates. Also, there are examples where certain highly cultivated plants (opium, corn, sugar cane...) produce products that humans are addicted to, but are not healthy for humans, especially when highly processed. Are certain plants good for people or are people good for the plants? Who is in control?

[@KimClark-1]

Who are these doctors? I wonder if they live without plants or plant-based products in their diets. Probably not.

[@matthewcerini699]

@@KimClark-1 You've heard of the carnivore diet? I am pretty sure that plant-based products are not part of their diets. There are many practicing it, including doctors and some of them have shared their tests publicly and the results are in the normal range if not better than the average in many cases. To them, it's a viable option and they claim they never felt better. Dr. Anthony Chaffee is one of them that comes to mind.

[@KimClark-1]

@@matthewcerini699 I have heard of all kinds of diets, many over the years (decades) promoted by doctors. I won’t bother checking into the carnivore diet, mainly because I love animals and don’t eat them. I have seen ‘carnivores’ like cats who have been fed meat exclusively go out and eat grass to make up for nutrient deficiencies. And then they throw it up. But keep trying. I also don’t eat meat because I could do without the antibiotics and added hormones. Where do these Carnivores get their fiber? Or are they waiting for their GI tracts to inform them that over the long term they need fiber to feed their microbiota?

[@mauricecalliss1303]

Maybe theyre using another mineral in the plant as a substrate for photon condensation like a battery .another mineral being used as storage of photon energy or another mineral absorbing photons emissions like phosporus photon emission being stored in another minearal being condensed into available minearal phosporus .maybe through the process of photosynthesis something else is going on aswel as atp production. This podcast is excellent it adresses the very quantum needs ad the subjects involved and intrests me greatly.

[@JohnPierce-so8hw]

You had me at lignocellulosic.

[@grant2531]

There is a grower in the Fraser Valley, BC, Canada, Dan at “The Local Harvest”, who has been doing no till organic agriculture for 7-8yrs. His produce might be what you are looking for.

[@mauricecalliss1303]

Makes you wonder if plants are converting solar photons into mineral ( enegy not just atp sugars

[@mauricecalliss1303]

Mineral nutrition from the suns solar fusion emissions. Not just atp or maybe atp is the mineral aseel as the sugars and its stored as atp then converted by biology from exudation into mineral real mineral nutrition .or maybe the actual mineral has to be present in orde for the same photon to be absorbed by the matching mineral and maybe its the bacterial root asociations that are converting photons back into mineral nutrition .maybe the biology is transmuting exudation into mineral nutrition .not the best explanation for a complex subject i know. Everythings absorbing photons .atp might store the Photon delive it to bioloy and biolgy turn it back into chemical mineal nutrition .arrgh hard to explain but i hope your getting my drift.