Episode 2 - The Final Cleaning - Doodlebud VS Noodlers Baystate Blue

[@Doodlebud]

I will redo the UV tests soon. I underestimated how much UV was blocked buy the windshield. The driver/passenger side windows do let in more UV which I tested as well, but to do things properly I need to leave a sample in direct sunlight. Due to my schedule when I get to do my videos and tests its tricky to do things in the daytime, hence the car test while I was working. I will prepare some samples this week and hoping to be able to do the test this weekend. My apologies for a flawed test 😬

[@Chiberia]

Yes, most car windows block significant UV. There are also many different UV wavelengths, and LEDs don't cover the spectrum... raw sun is definitely where it's at. The good part about the car paper is it acts as a control... you can confidently say the fading is from UV and not heat if/when it fades.

[@petertwang]

If you really want to accelerate the UV degradation of the ink, try a shorter wave UV source. 405 nm is bordering on the visible spectrum and is not as energetic. 254 nm will probably fade it much faster, but it's more hazardous (generates ozone, dangerous to look at, avoid skin exposure, might cause some plastics and elastomers to become brittle or yellow). 365 nm could be a safer option. Sunlight has a broader UV spectrum than lamps like these that emit narrow spectra. High wattage is like throwing more photons at the ink, but the photons don't necessarily have the energy to break it down. But I think any light-based method of clearing the ink is also likely to damage the components in the pen. I wonder what they're putting in this ink to make it so persistent, yet somewhat sensitive to photodegradation. Maybe it's the high concentration of pigment/dye, so even a tiny residue will stain, but the colorant itself is not very lightfast.

[@AdolphusOfBlood]

You already have your UV light, run the tests with that. You'll get less variance then you'd get in a real world test, I'll be it your results will be on the conservative side.

[@tanalee229]

​@@Chiberia Not clear how you know it's not the heat. I'm thinking of the similarity to gel inks that disappear when cold and reappear when heated.

[@olafmarzocchi6194]

@@petertwang The sunlight doesn't contain much 254nm anyway, atmosphere blocks it. 300-350nm should be enough, but LEDs in this range are uncommon or expensive. Behind a window is enough in my experience.

[@MultiKm1]

I don't do anything with ink, nor know anything about it. I can't believe how captivated I am by this Baystate Blue Saga.

[@Doodlebud]

It is a legendary ink!

[@Algorithmicgeneratedwordsalad]

I mean as a 30 year old woman I do appreciate your medical awareness

[@zimmejoc]

The glass in your car blocks almost 100% of the UV light. It is why you don’t get sunburned if your windows are up.

[@Doodlebud]

I didnt realize it blocked that much so will be redoing the sunlight test

[@TrueReal-de6ee]

That's cool 🎉

[@doubledrats235]

My family didn’t realize that our new 1971 Plymouth Fury station wagon had tinted windows until we watched a drive-in movie one Summer night. All the colors on that Peanuts film were wrong. My dad found out that they installed tinted windows on all cars with air conditioning. Our 1968 Plymouth sedan didn’t have tint or A/C. IDK if the non-A/C cars in 1971 also had tinted windows.

[@davidclift5989]

Also why Photochromic glasses don’t darken in the car.

[@dashcamabouttown]

My mom used to do beautiful calligraphy but unfortunately I just don’t have the muscle control. It’s really nice to see people still having an interest in inks and pens while introducing these skills to new people.

[@Doodlebud]

Wow! Thanks so much! Check out this video I did where I got a calligraphy lesson from a professional. It really helped improve my writing, and its super fun when you get a flex nib in the hand now. Calligraphy Lesson: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmbLaKSNoZyDhtk Playing with flex nibs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYPIkoCtmsybmtE

[@namebrandmason]

At one point, I was starting to think the pen would dissolve and you’d be left holding a blue stain in your hands.

[@Doodlebud]

I really upped the concentration so I was hoping it was going to live

[@animula6908]

😂

[@eileenmarienix4420]

😂

[@waynebosma6456]

Nice video! couple of notes here: 1) While bleach is basic, it is a weaker base than ammonia, which is the active ingredient in most pen flushes. The action of the bleach here (like with your clothes) is due to its strength as an oxidizing agent. I worry a little about that damaging plastic and rubber. 2) To get BSB off of your hands, hand sanitizer works well. Of course, that is alcohol based, and there are concerns about using alcohol with some plastics. I might be more inclined to use alcohol than bleach, though. 3) I once taped a piece of paper with BSB writing on it to the inside of a house window for a couple of weeks. It faded to almost nothing.

[@johnpekkala6941]

As I understand for bleach to stay stable at any concentration and not break down over time it needs to be kept at above PH11 by adding sodium hydroxide meaning it will probably be quite agressive even using household bleach strength cause u have extra NaOH added to the mix to slow the decomposition. Here is a good video about how bleach works in detail including the thing about PH level. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4eZnY2Yq791ias. I have however never measured the actual PH of household concentration bleach myself as I have neither no such equipment or the chemical itself at home but this video is where I got this info from.

[@waynebosma6456]

@@johnpekkala6941 Thanks for pointing that out. I wasn't aware that there is likely excess sodium hydroxide present in bleach. I don't have a pH meter at home, either. I could try some pH paper, but that would no doubt turn white, rather than an indicator color. 🙂

[@treelineresearch3387]

Even before I heard the word "skookum" I was thinking this channel was like if AvE was into pens.

[@itorrisontag]

Same

[@EssJay1095]

And funny enough, there are quite a few things out here named "Skookumchuck"

[@Fenweekoh]

there has to be some relation, there are too many similarities

[@FatTroglodyte]

They live in the same area

[@AntonioBarba_TheKaneB]

My car's windshield (and all other glasses as well) filters UV and IR light, and it's not even tinted. You can easily test the IR filtration with your own skin, because you feel a significative change in temperature on your skin with the sun shining. Also the UV filtering prevents my photochromic glasses from turning dark. ( I didn't see the whole video yet)

[@Roberto__Skar]

I wouldn’t use bleach to clean any of my pens, vintage or modern, far too caustic. Your piston might have become stiff because the bleach reacted with the rubber seal. Might be interesting for your viewers to leave various samples in some bleach for a few days and see what happens. BTW, rubber gloves still make my eyes water, but the new PSA test is a doddle. 🙃

[@Doodlebud]

I was thinking afterwards the bleach could do a really good job of removing the silicon grease so that could have caused it to get sticky

[@henryptung]

Bleach seems much scarier than isopropyl alcohol, at any rate. The former is an oxidizer that can chemically eat away at materials, including plastics - the latter is at least only a solvent, which can damage plastic by infiltrating and distorting the structure but isn't nearly as reactive.

[@Ioun267]

​@@henryptungat the same time though, solvents can ruin some plastics on contact since they'll immediately dissolve the outer layer. Both are going to be harsh on soft plastic seals, but dilute household bleach isn't going to cause a fire or anything unless you decide to start mixing cleaners or something.

[@lowangproductions4235]

About a week ago , I had a dream in which the stopper came out of my bottle of ink in a wooden box . My pen was in the box and everything was covered in ink . I was trying to figure out how to get the ink out . I've never owned a fountain pen , and now I get this 2 part video suggested . I'm questioning my sanity !!

[@bencheevers6693]

Your original video was what let me discover your channel, I couldn't believe how watchable the videos are. Very pleasant, you've got the same affect as AvE, really pleasant affect ot listen to and the enthusiasm is contagious.

[@Doodlebud]

Hey! Thanks for the kind words. I feel like I have no idea what I'm doing with my videos other than just having fun, messing around, and just showing people what I'm finding out.

[@gristlevonraben]

i was surprised that the uv light didn't fade it more. it's possible that Nathan has added uv protection since there were complaints about it. there are many inks that change colors, often growing darker, after a day or two in a journal, so light isn't the only thing that can change it. i was really worried your plunger was kaput, lol, but it pulled through! alcohol, tough, might swell it! also, another cleaner option is hydrogen peroxide. but i don't know if it will react to the irons in red inks. funny video as always, have a great weekend.

[@namebrandmason]

Wouldn’t surprise me. He love’s making especially permanent inks that can defeat forgers. Some college kids demonstrated that a laboratory laser could erase one of them, so he made laser proof ink.

[@brillcouncil4584]

The sun really is a VERY powerful light source. ;) Full sunlight is a LOT of energy compared to most readily available lights. Also, it has to be said....be VERY careful with any lamp but especially high powered UV ones that can cause very serious eye damage frighteningly fast.

[@vintageswiss9096]

Full sunlight is closer to 1,000w. He would need a ballasted hps or mh to come anywhere close to that. His mini light needs about 20x the power output for an actual test. That little thing isn't even worth the effort.

[@RJayRoberts]

TWSBI states that you shouldn’t use alcohol on their pens, as I recall.

[@brillcouncil4584]

@RJayRoberts makes sense to me. Though we sometimes bend those rules a little... ;) In all honesty if you aren't getting stains out with water at similar pH as an ink then it's *probably* (but not certainly) not going to cause problems.

[@jamesk6933]

I have a bottle of Baystate, and I love the vibrancy of this blue. I did dedicate a Jinhao X159 just for this ink.

[@qvisionstudios]

Glad it cleaned out. Explains why vintage pens were mostly available in black. Didn't have to worry about staining! I'm still avoiding any of the Baystate inks.

[@animula6908]

You’re missing out. They perform better than any other ink I’ve tried, and the hysteria around them is undeserved.

[@etm567]

I just stumbled upon some really inexpensive paper that works fantastically well with fountain pens! Maybe not as well with juicy flex nibs, but a regular nib? No problem, you can write on both sides of the paper, there is no show-through, no bleed through at all. It's a regular spiral bound notebook made by Staples in its Earth-something brand, where the paper is 80% from sugarcane pulp! I have this really old notebook, from nearly 20 years ago, and I picked it up and started scribbling notes in it, and couldn't believe it. So I went looking to see if I could find such a notebook again, and I did! It has a slightly different name, but it is made by Staples and is an eco-type brand. I just ordered three of them. When I get them I will write you a note, if you are interested. It isn't fancy paper, but it isn't like regular paper either. The ruling is college rule, and the lines are a light brown. The paper has a different texture, it's shinier and kind of thin feeling, but no show-through at all with a regular fountain pen and ink. I was using Diamine oxblood, and also some Diamine firefly. If I dumped ink on it, that might show through, but writing did not. Had no trouble at all filling both sides of the pages with text.

[@PinkKirby11]

All the UV tests I've seen have been over the course of many weeks if not months. I think it may just take more time. Would be curious to see what the writing looks like after a few weeks of UV exposure.

[@ichirofakename]

1. Victory! Persistence, and following the directions, pays off! 2. Baystate Blue failed my lightfastness tests pretty badly, along with most other inks I tested. And I've had two colored pencil drawings (with two brands of pencils) ruined by just the blue fading. Maybe blue is a problem. 2. Last week I had my first Baystate Disaster. Granted it was with Baystate Cranberry, but presumably the chemistry is the same. The bottle lid got screwed up somehow. I even got some on my foot, where it remains. But I got it out of the carpet with diluted bleach. It did require quite a bit of pressure and scrubbing. It was harrowing. I have chosen to discard my Cranberry and Grape, because they are not exceptional colors. But I'm hanging onto Baystate Blue because it is blue, blue, blue. I'll only use it in sketchbooks to minimize sun exposure. 3. For me the fadability is much worse than the staining. My intention moving forward is to switch entirely to De Atramentis Document inks, and live with whatever range of colors they provide. I'll try some more mixing. And the waterproofness is gravy.

[@Calcprof]

Have you tried some of the platinum pigment inks or the platinum (and R&K and KWZ) iron gall inks?

[@gabbyaraniego396]

​@@CalcprofSomewhat related: I tried out a chinese ink brand by the name of BAOKE. Seems like a carbon pigment ink. It writes asolutely jet black and it is the toughest ink I have ever tried. It doesnt stain as bad as BSB but the pigment itself is almost impossible to erase. It is completely waterproof, undiluted bleach and IPA does absolutely nothing to it. I havent tried UV exposure yet but im willing to bet it doesnt fade since it is carbon

[@jlinaz2522]

Thank you for the video. I never filled my TWSBI Eco with a waterproof ink because I was afraid of it staining in the transparent part of the pen. I don’t own Noodler’s Baystate Blue but I’m glad you tested it out and were able to get the stain out with a part bleach & water solution. I happen to have the same ultrasonic cleaner to clean my pens & was happy to see it worked for you!

[@Seefood73]

Here is another fun science experiment with BSB. The chemistry is so different from other inks, Tardif warns users to never mix it with other inks (not even with the two other "Baystate" colours). I saw Brian Goulet do it so I: tried it myself: take a sample vial and mix in about 1:1 BSB and any other random ink. In some cases it will start to outgas some bubbles, in others you get a viscous goo that will jam feeds. I once actually did this to a pen semi-accidentally but a good rewash solved it. (water ran clear through it, but after pulling out the nib and feed it was clear the collector had plenty of residue to chemically react with). After a good wash, the regular ink was again flowing through the de-BSBed pen.

[@bbrachman]

I was thinking "Two by two, hands of blue". Firefly.

[@KendallW]

Same!

[@sluggger]

Thanks for your experiment. I have to report that with the Twsbi Eco, I have had my piston get stuck even cleaning it with dish soap / ammonia based cleaner that I make for my pens. What I've imagined is happening is the silicone grease is being removed, and when you get down to less lubrication the piston will seize and need to be reassembled/regreased to function again.

[@Doodlebud]

Yup happened to mine as well. I did a follow up video where I cleaned out the pen

[@syedafahd]

Yet another extremely enjoyable video. Thank you. 👍🏻🤗

[@Doodlebud]

:)

[@quailypoes]

Not just a victory for you, a victory for all fountain pen users!!

[@blktauna]

Seems like this just needs a dedicated clear Kakuno to show it off,

[@davidbyers7246]

If it also feathers a lot as well as being extremely difficult to clean it out of a pen, it is an ink to completely stay away from! There are tons of great blue inks out there.

[@Doodlebud]

Yeah I was surprised just how much it feathered which does make it tricky to use

[@AlphineWolf]

There's alternatives. Diamine sapphire blue

[@eno88]

Seeing this ink in action made me love it and fear it.

[@RobertMaguire67]

Glad I searched a bit to find the second video of the pen cleaning with some bleach. That sonic cleaner bath sure did help.

[@collins3D]

I've only heard of this, but never tested it myself yet... Using Sailor Shikiori Doyou ink. After using a staining Ink, rinse and fill with Doyou. Leave it for 12 hours and rinse out. Should be stain free. So they say....

[@InkyMD]

Do you have a link to the sonic cleaner you used here?

[@Doodlebud]

I have a link to my Amazon store in the description which has stuff like that in there.

[@jefflawrence4545]

I use BayState bLue in A Schon DSGN Monoc with an Ultem feed - cleans up perfectly with isopropanol. One of the benefits of Ultem. Also dropper filled ensso pocket Ultem - isopropanol completely cleaned.

[@FeatherleszBiped]

I'm pretty sure the ultrasonic cleaner did the heavy lifting and the bleach kinda helped

[@FriedPi-mc5yt]

I dedicated one of Noodler’s free Charlie pens to this ink and another to the Concord grape. They are so stained that a strong backlight barely shines through it.

[@AnotherAyushRaj]

Bro got the Sun Gods to fight the fight 😭

[@santauxia]

Love the look of Baystate, very rich blue. 10:43 LOL.

[@pomoster]

Ngl, I’m still afraid of it, but now I have the confidence to suit up and finally ink a pen with my BSB sample! Thank you DB!!

[@leahmarie8755]

Seriously, I love Noodler’s. All of them. The colors are such wildcards

[@azzamhawwari9229]

This was just the review looking for ..😊

[@KendallW]

Doodlebud for the WIN! Although that was a lot of work and a lot of bleach. I don't think I'll ever use BSB in a pen that I don't dedicate that pen to. Lol, some great humor in this video too.

[@brillcouncil4584]

My own testing w/ inks in sunlight over several months on the inside of a house window has shown that BSB fades faster than many other blues. That said, it isn't claimed to be lightfast so that doesn't really bother me. It is remarkable how variable the amount of stability of light differs from ink to ink. I've also used bleach to clean BSB, I try to avoid the bleach with scents etc because who knows what those compounds are and I want to flush as clean as possible afterward. I would not leave bleach in contact with the compressible rubber (gaskets, piston, etc) for any longer than necessary and make sure you do grease it back up while crossing your fingers. Great tests, keep it up.

[@user-my2lh3mt5d]

I have tried writing samples with different dilutions of BSB & water. It does seem to behave a bit better when in a diluted state. Something fun to play with. Many of the Noodlers colors will shade in a more remarkable manner when diluted with H20. My favourite so far is Whalemans Sepia, and in a super-flex it lays down the ink in a drab, matte, brownish gray...but shades in a pinkish tone. Very fun to play with.

[@angelknight15]

“I’m not supposed to go that deep, oh I‘ve heard that before” 😂😂😂

[@JefferyHall-ct2tr]

Good Job! Looks like new! Am not a real fan of blue ink, but that one IS nice. I think my aversion to blue ink started when studying accounting where YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE ANY COLOR IN BUT BLACK!

[@user-qc2dl8vr3u]

Love your sense of humor😅

[@mercster]

Heh... I have a few fountain pens cuz they're kinda cool, but don't use them much. Before your previous video on this ink, I wasn't aware of this phenomenon, but it's entertaining that some inks are so colorfast. I wish you Godspeed.

[@user-qc2dl8vr3u]

Love your sense of humor 😅

[@Sammie1053]

Yeah, several comments have already touched on this but good quality automotive glass blocks most UV, especially if you have a nice car. You're also going to get less UV in general in Canada than someone in, say, the American southwest

[@Calcprof]

I had BS Blue in a platinum 3776 for years. When I went on to other inks, I cleaned it out. It's fine now. (to be sure, I did replace the converter, but I didn't want to take the old one apart -- I should have, because the platinum converters are easy to disassemble.). I had some bad staining from some other ink in my Schon DSGN peak full sized. So I just used alcohol (on the body and cap -- not the nib and feed, which I removed.) Ultem, I believe, is also perfectly OK with alcohol. Of course most acrylics are damaged by alcohol , so be careful.

[@dtaggartofRTD]

using a strong UV lamp would probably damage the plastic long before it touched the ink

[@brimslop]

fight of the century

[@metro3692]

I really like Baystate Blue and the Blue Noodler's Ahab I keep it in.

[@AnotherAyushRaj]

Did all this to an ECO and it didn't crack and I had 4 ECO's which cracked on the grip section within two weeks to a month normal use

[@Doodlebud]

I did a video talking about the cracking issue and even showed how people can check things at home. Give it a look: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIGzkImbmbJ7aLc

[@t3knosoulz]

Being from WA, I did enjoy the Skookumchuck reference. I hope you feel validated 😂

[@Doodlebud]

🤜🤛

[@slo_carry]

Very cool. Thank you for sharing. I'm not comfortable using bleach in my pens.

[@Doodlebud]

Yeah it wont be part of my regular cleaning routine, think it will be just for this one ink

[@astroneer013]

you really are the AvE of fountain pens

[@xxxmysticaldragonxxx]

I don't know how you got in my recs, but I am fascinated by this ink! Are there any other inks with similar properties that you are aware of? Its very beautiful I have to say. The color is so vibrant.

[@jpfanfic4226]

My Bay State feathers like crazy as well. I use it in my Faber Castell Loom an all metal pen so I don't worry about staining the pen. But only extra fine nibs for the feathering issue. Still you can't beat the color anywhere

[@NagiSeishirou-il2rr]

12:27 0:43 9:06 9:03 🎉

[@Moostery]

Now try Noodlers 54th Massachusetts. My absolute FAVORITE ink for it's color. Definitely a very wet and hard to clean ink though.

[@johnpetrucellijr.8167]

try using parkers Quink to remove the stain. Write with it for a week then flush.

[@rustythefoxcoon5143]

Yo pro tip with glove - use flour to rub onto your hands first. Slips right in. Chefs life hack.

[@squirejinx]

To test for comparative lightfastness, I write the same single line of text on the same sheet of paper repeatedly with a left margin of 1/3 of the width of the paper, each line in a different ink, then fold the margin over to cover half of the texts, and place it in a Southern-facing window, and check periodically. Some inks are far more fugitive than others.

[@soulademics]

Baystate blue and Legal blue are my favorite

[@profesonalantagonist]

Not sure how bleach was suggested. Ammonia is the cleaner that will remove Noodlers Bat State Blue. It is my favorite ink that I use in my TWSBI Vac 700 demonstrator. Ammonia is the key.

[@Doodlebud]

10% bleach is actually recommended by Noodlers directly to clean BSB. I tried a 10% ammonia solution and it removed it a little but wouldn't completely remove it like the bleach.

[@Bear-kr3gr]

I believe that bleach was the splash less variant as well as scented, a lot of stuff you might not want. The splash less is actually thickish (additive). I’ve also noticed bleach ruin pump seals. Anyway you might wanna just use regular un scented and regular pour bleach on your pens, if at all.

[@marknovak9310]

This is a great video as Doodlebud tackles the infamous Baystate Blue fountain pen ink. Who will win? Holding my breath. Hard to defeat the Doodlebud!!!

[@southill]

to get a desired concentration, you use the CVCV formula. (conentration and volume). You know the starting concentration of store-bought bleach, you know the desired concentration, and you pour up a given volume of the starting solution. c1*v1 = c2 * v2 --> (c1/c2) * v1 = v2. So just add water to the concentrated stuff until it is at the volume v2 that you calculated

[@stephanel2324]

UV and plastic are no-go. This is a bad idea. I might be OK once, but in the long run the plastic may turn yellow and becomes cloudy.

[@davidmcguigan5497]

Well, DB. There you have it, piece of cake, no inconvenience at all. How much better than other blue inks can that stuff be to make it worthwhile? I don't get. it.

[@ichirofakename]

It really is a remarkably, uniquely bright shade. Put it in an opaque pen if staining bothers you. It doesn't bother me. Handle it with maximum care. To me, it's fun and worth it.

[@manifunk1]

Ahh the battle royale that we have all been waiting for!

[@olafmarzocchi6194]

But except for demonstrators, it doesn't really matter if the plastic is stained... it won't affect any following ink anyway. But good test! even if in my experience 1 week of window exposure makes it fade to nothing, maybe it needs deeper UV which only the sun provides, your UV is very close to visible range and not that "deep". 385nm or less is likely more effective.

[@cliffberry1900]

Great video and love the humor. Would ammonia possibly work also?

[@Doodlebud]

It does. I did a flow up cleaning video for the pen

[@dickward1090]

definitely gotta get that for my work pen

[@AllanLewis]

Remember that car glass usually has a UV filter!

[@Doodlebud]

Yeah I didn't realize it blocked that much UV so I will be redoing the UV test. Might as well do a few inks are the same time

[@pdexBigTeacher]

"Just the tip...."don't go that deep..."; I could never show this video to 13-14 yr olds. 🤣

[@ExtraThiccc]

Again, use mainly pencils and use ballpoints for permanent writing, but this is so entertaining

[@matthewscott3689]

Do a 6 month to 12 month test. The BSB started corroding the rubber piston seal in my TWSBI Eco. I was still able to get it clean, but BSB was definitely eating away at the black rubber, caused it to bubble up on the surface and degrade around the edges.

[@CristianPerciun]

The prostate note 😆😆😆

[@MacPoop]

Ask a Bug: New viewer, no idea why the algorithm sent me here, but I'm enjoying it! Mu question is are you SURE youre not AvE's brother???!!

[@Doodlebud]

Not related. I didn't know about AvE until I heard several people say I sound like this guy AvE on YT

[@AdolphusOfBlood]

I've had a good track record with getting bay state blue out of my LAMY pens using bleach, my noodler's pens i used it in are stained for good.

[@agathoklesmartinios8414]

Personally, I think demonstrator pens are kind of the way to go with this ink. If I buy a bottle of nuclear effing ink like Baystate Blue that basically demands a sacrificial pen for to use it, I damn well want to see it slosh and swirl around in there as I write.

[@svgs650r]

Polycarbonate is a very efficient mediator of both Uv-A & B but it’s really hard on the polycarbonate

[@dangonzalez3505]

The uv light will embrittle the plastic...eventually. (sorry for being late to the party, but I'm cleaning my Baystate Blue pen now and looking for tips)

[@drmntpibb]

don't use anything nicer than a paper mate flair pen but that first bay state video was fun to watch and i came back for part 2

[@ciaolg9048]

I wouldn’t expect the dashboard to work- front windshield blocks most (but not all) UV. (Sorry not trying to troll). Love your channel!!

[@Doodlebud]

www.skincancer.org/blog/surprising-danger-planes-trains-automobiles/#:~:text=While%20glass%20blocks%20UVB%20rays,sunlight%20shining%20through%20the%20glass.

[@mercster]

@@Doodlebud So are you equating UVA and UVB's effects on ink?

[@ciaolg9048]

@@Doodlebud yes…exactly…that’s why I said front windshield.

[@Doodlebud]

@@mercster not equating uva & uvb. 4 hrs+ on the dash, 4hrs+ on the passenger seat, 1hr+ outside on the deck & 2hrs directly under a UV lamp. It faded a bit, but didn't vanish like some have claimed. Still completely legible

[@allenemersonn1227]

I tried Baystate Blue for about a year and found it the most unruly ink I'd ever used. It is beautiful, but what a price you must pay to keep this juicey one in your harem.

[@pdxcontent]

Impressive! Well done and shocking. Go big or go home. Ha ha ha gloves… oh yes, prostate. Lol

[@saceurai1729]

What about doing peroxide and uv lamp? You can use this method to also remove yellowing from plastic from uv damage

[@RobCrawford23]

I would be more worried about what UV would do to the TWSBI barrel as plastics tend to deteriorate in UV I memory states that TWSBI say dont use alcohol as it has a detrimental effect to their plastics

[@MarshaLove0723]

(Ink poured back into the bottle... 😬 ) I just a dedicate a cartridge/converter pen to BSB, then I don't have to do that level of pen cleaning - just a couple quick bulb-flushes of the grip section with a soapy bleach solution, followed by a few more with clean water, then set aside to dry. The next day, I re-ink with more BSB. I use full bleach to clean everything else - hands, sinks, etc. 😂

[@FeatherleszBiped]

Wouldn't recommend uv testing the pen if you have any feelings for it, or do if you enjoy yellow plastic, it could also turn out completely fine, but im sure you already know, but in case you haven't though of that, here it is.

[@danielklopp7007]

Just like the visible light spectrum, the UV spectrum covers many wavelengths (400nm - 10nm). UVa (400nm - 325nm) is not much worse than blue light for causing fading. UVb (325nm - 275nm) causes considerably more fading (but glass absorbs these wavelengths). We don't see much UVc (275nm - 200nm) on earth, but if the sample would be exposed to UVc, it would fade dramatically within a few hours. Wavelengths shorter than 200nm (i.e. VUV) are extremely destructive (these wavelengths are near the boarder of the X-ray wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum), but we don't see these wavelengths on earth (outside of a laboratory where special precautions are used). I'm not sure what wavelengths of UV your lamp was emitting (I suspect UVa), but I believe you would see much more fading if the writing sample were exposed to direct sunlight (i.e. NOT on the dashboard of your car). If you took the writing sample to a laboratory with VUV lamps (and special shielding to protect the lab workers from direct exposure), the paper would be completely white within a couple of hours.

[@nobodhilikeshu4092]

The bleach will eat the O-Rings, that would be my biggest concern.

[@Threetails]

I would have tried peroxide since it's UV activated. Or can those pens be cleaned with peroxide?

[@wallydraigle5382]

405nm isn't even really UV. It's just at the violet end of the visible spectrum. I'd be surprised if it had any effect on even less tenacious inks even at durations much longer than one hour.

[@EvilCob]

I’m looking to buy an ultrasonic cleaner for my pens. What model are you using?

[@Doodlebud]

Model numbers change every few months but this is pretty close to the one I have now: amzn.to/3PiB5rl

[@TheDanielscarroll]

I wonder if the standing is caused by similar chemical that's in tomatoes that stains plastic. I recently found out you can use butter to remove that from plastic. that might be an interesting test in this application.

[@AggresivelyBenign]

I love your content!! 😊😊 I was wondering this morning about how to pair different types of inks with different pens - for example, do lighter/paler inks need to go with medium nibs so I can see them better? Or if the ink has a sheen, should it not be paired with an EF nib? And what about flex nibs? What inks flow best in them, and is there some kind of additive to help with that? (Don’t laugh-I’m new!) I haven’t seen this any content about this, and I thought you’d be the perfect person to ask. 😘😉

[@Doodlebud]

I did this video on how to test ink wetness kzbin.info/www/bejne/iau8nHyeqql3mcU

[@reneejones6330]

The car dash is not a good place for a UV test because the car window will significantly reduce UV light.

[@rolandcook2556]

Won’t bleach will just remove the colour from the ink rather than the flush the ink itself?