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[@nightoftheworld]

8:04 *Harvard Justice series* Michael Sandel’s Justice series is here on KZbin. One of the first free lecture courses posted on the platform I believe..

[@superoboe300]

Please continue this series.

[@djetinjstvo_u_boji]

Great episode, Steve! I'd love to hear more about communitarianism in future discussions. This episode reminded me of something I'd like to share. Back in 2017, I started working for a company that valued philosophy so highly that every employee underwent a two-week crash course on utilitarianism, Kant, Rawls, Sandel, and other philosophers and ideas. Thanks to your podcast, I excelled during those two weeks. So, I guess this is my way of saying thank you for everything!

[@jeremyn4397]

I know people who intensly dislike philosophy. They think its pointless and is just a tool to confuse people. One of these persons is my father; but I love philosophy and even studied it in college (primarily ethics and epistemology). I think the reflexive opposition to this study is a natural response to defend ones worldview. It can be quite painful and difficult to have your views changed, especially if this includes accepting some level of shame in a previous view.

[@bdnnijs192]

Why would someone be ashamed of their previous view? Might be projection. Nketsche describes this attitude from another angle. "When a philosopher changes his mind he'll act acs if he discovered a new fundamenral truth about the universe"

[@nightoftheworld]

17:41 *civics and the common good* “For somebody like Aristotle a just society is not going to have justice for very long if it doesn’t have citizens that are capable of civic involvement.”

[@AbAb-th5qe]

If someone doesn't like philosophy, that's up to them. They aren't being forced into it themselves. But they shouldn't be trying to dissuade those who do, regardless of its utility. Philosophical discourse is ultimately what defines society. If someone only focuses on the present moment they make bad (undesirable in hindsight) decisions and won't even know why they make the ones they do. Philosophy helps us to make better decisions and better understand our motivations behind them and the alternatives. I can't believe anyone would be dim enough to dispute this.

[@ardekakka]

anyone who thinks is forced to philosophize, whether or not you admit it is irrelevant, awareness is optional, symbolic thought is near unavoidable

[@AbAb-th5qe]

@@ardekakka Yup 👍

[@bdnnijs192]

​@@ardekakka If a word is defined to encompas everything it effectively means nothing.

[@TheHonestPeanut]

​@@bdnnijs192"God"

[@TheYahmez]

@@bdnnijs192 'Everything'

[@farberam]

Early :) I live in Austria. Just went to the gym, got back for breakfast and this was in my feed. Love the time difference.

[@franekkessler489]

Made it to the gym and back without being raped my immigrants? That's crazy

[@TennesseeJed]

Steve, you are an incredibly good teacher! Whatever our society is paying you I believe you are worth more!

[@thereignofthezero225]

He's a leftist brainwashing operation 😄

[@Whycast]

I agree with this sentiment. This content/dialogue is unheard of before on KZbin and yet so accessible. His main contribution is that he is interpreting the ideas himself, making it multiple folds easier for the rest of us to digest and understand their points. I hope his offering is being re-paid exponentially.

[@01FNG]

That's a capitalist realist way to reward such good work that cannot be measured in monetary value....

[@TennesseeJed]

@@01FNG It is the only reality I know.

[@lonelycubicle]

Really liked this episode and vote for more. Do you have a link to his book on Amazon where you get a percentage of the sale? Also, do you have a recommendation of an engineer who writes the best solution for what Sandel points out?

[@philosophizethispodcast]

No link here. Thanks for the thought though! Will keep covering thinkers and let you decide who's the best engineer. Hope you keep enjoying the podcast. :)

[@I-am-bruno]

"Does the country you live in look a country being run by citizens that are educated and engaged with the problems facing the country?" No!

[@Schmoeroganpodcast]

Said it aloud to myself as well

[@Jstlou]

This one hits hard

[@guillaumechazel2968]

Merci.

[@raspberrydva9298]

Wow thank you again

[@BrickGriff]

PhilosophizeThis: we are going to explore change from within the capitalist system rather than radical critiques of or departures from it! Also PhilosophizeThis: why do we allow the market to decide just about everything and where did our democracy go?

[@melissasmind2846]

Im a Libra Rising Pluto in my first house. I always think or obsess over justice.

[@melissasmind2846]

Same as Israel 🇮🇱. Hard placement

[@melissasmind2846]

I get it.

[@thereignofthezero225]

You sound like a looney tune

[@benjamindover4337]

The market is the means by which the common good is achieved. If you see something else happening, thats because your idea of the common good has been out-voted. I do agree that we need more civic participation, but the problem is how do we get that without unjust coercion?

[@anubhavsharma904]

Wittgenstien

[@klosnj11]

As a "team libertarian" guy, I am not sure I caught what you said the problems or contradictions with the liberty mindset are. The example for Utilitarianism was quite clear, and a great example. But you moved into the third section, concerning virtue ethics, and I dont think you really came back. Was it that markets (the voluntary choices of many individuals within society) shouldnt decide value but we should be more democratic (based on the voluntary choices of many individuals, but then averaged and forced all all) in determining value? Maybe I missed something. I dont see the flaws in the liberty based system of Justice.

[@philosophizethispodcast]

No I think you're right. Definitely will spend some time on that next episode! Thanks for the thoughtful response.

[@klosnj11]

@@philosophizethispodcast awesome. I tend to comment mostly when I see flaws (at least what I think are flaws) in arguments, but I do want to say that your series is great. I also wanted to mention how the Libertarian mindset and the Utilitarian mindset are pretty convincingly linked by John Stuart Mill in On Liberty (one of my favorite books of all time).

[@melissasmind2846]

Would you want the same if you were in the same disadvantaged position? Then yes.

[@Pedro-z9f1b]

Co production and change.

[@melissasmind2846]

Respectful intolerance is shunning. I do it.

[@melissasmind2846]

Sometimes I lose my chit as well but got off social media to practice stoicism, deeper.

[@addammadd]

And yet, here you are.

[@melissasmind2846]

Where should I be, Sir or Ms?

[@melissasmind2846]

In social work, we call it the least restrictive. An example. Legalized Abortion is less restrictive than forced sterilization based on hx.

[@melissasmind2846]

It happened.

[@melissasmind2846]

It's not political saying it. It's just historical data.

[@starc.]

The Ideology of Justice and the Commons are not here to help the species

[@bdnnijs192]

3:08 "why do you think murder is wrong" Because acts of killing we support (*) aren't refered to as murder. (*) abortion, euthenasia, slaughter of animals, killing enemy insurgents. 6:30 "you are just better if you do philosophy" - philisophers "The benefits are obvious" superior thinking on display.😂

[@christopherchilton-smith6482]

Oh no, I see the word justice so I'm braced for nonsense about personal responsibility and retribution. Gonna go eat something and de-stress before this inevitably stresses me out and I feel compelled to write a comment a few paragraphs long that no one will like.

[@ptcosmos]

20:09 Look I bet this comment won't get pinned or like but if replied I'll do 10 push ups which won't happen I hope.

[@farberam]

Better find a piece of real estate and PUSH!!!

[@cobracommander8133]

Start pushing soldier

[@nightoftheworld]

26:43 *Sandel + Hickel / degrowth* Sandel’s concept of how “market norms have hijacked social norms” sounds in-line with Jason Hickel’s degrowth logic of “decoupling social services sector (modern human need) from market speculation”.

[@klosnj11]

20:44 the bailouts were unjust because it flies in the face of the promise of markets; that if you make good decisions, you will do well, and if you make bad decisions you will fail. By subverting that meritocratic paradigm, not only did they set up implied incentives for risky behavior to rush to the top, but they also didn't fix the problem. It was a centralized decision, made by people with only the interest of winning a later election, that both delayed he inevitable and set up a situation that we will be worse off when it comes back around. Trading away present pain for future greater pain is unjust, especially when that future pain isnt going to be yours.

[@randallcox]

Hi. Thanks.

[@brlopwn]

This is a good episode to share. Great stuff.

[@euphoricbabe2914]

Can someone please reply to my comment with his email? I think I’m overlooking it, but I can’t find it.

[@philosophizethispodcast]

[e-mail]

[@melissasmind2846]

Or motivated. From my understanding, they must feel it personally.

[@Zirrad1]

The organ donor example seems like a terrible example. What utilitarian calculation would not take into account 2nd and 3rd (etc) order effects, including the context of the current society and ultimate goals? Edit: Ok reached the end and very much looking forward to your video(s) related to utilitarianism. Still think a word or two about why that example was naive would have helped.

[@maxheadrom3088]

I had this friend who liked to ask me about a turtle on its back under the sun in the middle of the desert ... for some reason that made my eyes hurt ....

[@Huarrnarg]

@2:40 “Ethical cosplay” holy Based 😂

[@Derek_H_360]

great episode. i heard his lecture at harvard on youtube years ago, changed my perspectives and helped ne realize i was nostly libertarian. an on that note, few people consider that the reason the markets no longer represent real supply and demand is becouse of all the goverment intervention via subsidies tax breaks and crony capitalism that ecery senator and polotitian are desperate to be a part of. they the solution is more intervention and do not consider the root cause wich is goverment and the central bank

[@thereignofthezero225]

We are rotten right down to the individual level though

[@Derek_H_360]

@@thereignofthezero225 i agree, a lack of introspection and personal growth leads to aimless sesrch of distractions and pleasure that dont bring satisfaction, if you dont know who you are how can you ever reach your goals

[@musicdev]

Sure dude

[@faheemabid9646]

6:32 conceptual engineering

[@lynn2027j]

Would it be possible for you to add subtitles? It would be really helpful for English learners and fans of philosophy. Thanks!

[@uwayn9829]

You can click on subtitles

[@uchicha666]

Excellent material, feels like every single adult/young adult should listen to this.

[@nilo0far]

Great episode! I’d love to hear more about Mark Fisher

[@thereignofthezero225]

This doesn't sound like a true defense of capitalism haha. Based on the opening remarks it sounds like "let's change it because it's not working (supposedly), but still call it capitalism." 😄 I'll listen to the full episode during my workout later to see If you give capitalism the credit it deserves

[@philosophizethispodcast]

Lots of episodes to do! Thanks for considering all of them! Hope you keep enjoying the podcast. :)

[@thereignofthezero225]

@@philosophizethispodcast I will be listening.

[@CMA418]

I’m imagining a world where every political candidate delivered such a monologue as this one…strictly speaking it’s possible, right?

[@BrickGriff]

The concepts of private (not personal) property and the common good are diametrically opposed!

[@melissasmind2846]

It reminds me of when I studied to become a social worker and practicing social work.

[@melissasmind2846]

Different

[@melissasmind2846]

And when to call "The Clinical Supervisor" to CYA to really for advice. Hehe

[@melissasmind2846]

Than

[@melissasmind2846]

Yes the herd can change if guided.

[@AbAb-th5qe]

You are not separate to the rest of society. And frankly, reading your comments I think you're not well able to guide anyone. It's like when people complain they're stuck in traffic. They don't realise they're part of the 'traffic'

[@melissasmind2846]

Ok, noted

[@melissasmind2846]

EISM physics based. You would love the channel.

[@melissasmind2846]

Utube

[@melissasmind2846]

Theory of Everything.

[@melissasmind2846]

You'll love it. Probability 95%

[@melissasmind2846]

I receive no kickbacks saying it.

[@melissasmind2846]

I love his channel as much as yours. That's why.

[@LexxysLifeDownUnder-kr8sb]

The philosophy of Justice still needs to catch up to the reality of consciousness and free will… our society isn’t ready to deal with the philosophical and moral implications of there being no free will (imo) - discussing justice without first considering the absence of moral agency leads to a lot of very counter intuitive outcomes.

[@17goffshas]

Free will definitely exists. What other choice do we have?

[@AbAb-th5qe]

The question of whether there is free will or not is a philosophical one. The implications of it one way or the other is one of main concepts that has been delt with in philosophy for thousands of years already. I contend that's not going to be settled any time soon, if ever. My own opinion is that there's no vantage point outside of existence to view actions as deterministic. Everything influences everything else. So on a practical level we have free will. I enjoy playing the 1993 computer game 'doom'. The source code for the whole game is publically available and the enemies in the game are simple finite state machines with only about 967 states between them in total. Can it be predicted entirely what they'll do? No because the actions of the player influence everything in the game, including the behaviour of the enemies. If the players actions are recorded in a demo the exact same things will happen again when the demo is played back. However the slightest change to the source code can break this. The term used is the demo 'desyncing'. In any case the game wouldn't be so enjoyable if it were fully predictable. Adults don't play noughts and crosses because it does become predictable.

[@LexxysLifeDownUnder-kr8sb]

@@AbAb-th5qe I tend to think eventually we will answer free will debate, BUT I understand that’s not a given, and that it is not ultimately a matter of philosophy - but it has n been treated as so for thousands of years. My point is, almost the entire corpus of Western philosophical thought assumes free will exists yet its historically a scientifically diminishing position. Further, our ideals of moral thinking, laws etc are based on this assumption but morality looks very very different when you take intent away from action.

[@AbAb-th5qe]

No one has ever known everything that has ever occured. I strongly believe no one ever will. Once you get to the point of not knowing the presupositons of some phenomena, sceince is of no use and philosophy is all that can be resorted to.

[@bdnnijs192]

​@@AbAb-th5qe Why is free will a philosophocal subject?

[@herpaderppa3297]

finally is this anarcho, anti capitalist, anti western nonsense over

[@philosophizethispodcast]

praise jesus!