Episode #25: RPE Origins and Application w/ Mike Tuchscherer

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[@DSingh4809]

This video is RPE 11/10. Rate of perceived excellence.

[@scottmoyer3854]

Bknighti 4 best comment ever

[@dcasazza]

"I joke around with Baraki, my partner, all the time" Lifetime bromance confirmed.

[@GOAT-rl2uq]

Awesome! Mike Tuchscchschcerererererer is one of my favorite people in the business, in addition to Doctors Baraki and Figtree.

[@nitroyetevn]

Thanks GOAT, always good to have you around

[@BarbellMedicine]

Really cool discussion w/ Mike T. He was actually in Wichita Falls during this call and there was some pretty heavy background noise that I had to edit out using my amateur sound engineering skills. It's not perfect, but I think it's passable. Hope you guys enjoy!

[@marukodess]

was he training at WFAC ?

[@Fossilized-cryptid]

heeeep draaahve

[@DrAdnan]

It's great having the RPE legend himself on the podcast

[@MatthewBoxberger]

Really enjoyed the in-depth discussion. Two smart dudes!

[@devkrev]

I know this is over a year old, but listening to it today made me realize something about RPE that I hadn't thought of and haven't heard, which might actually color Rippetoe's opinion about it, but I think that RPE only works if someone is willing to be honest and put in the hard work, otherwise it has the utility of pain scales in the hospital.

[@userer4579]

Rip has said his primary objection to RPE is having novice and inexperienced lifters attempt to apply it to their training before they have developed a basic foundation of strength and learned what difficult actually feels like. On the other hand, BBM's idea of having novices get used to using RPE (autoregulation) by assigning a rating to their lifts as they complete them has merit; especially when the novices have some guidance in their programming.

[@averagedude1986]

I've been using the RTS log for a few months now and it's amazing.

[@marukodess]

same. best tool there is if youre' into the rts-style of training

[@archmaesterofpullups]

I really like the idea of using test sets (specifically singles) and then programming backoff sets based on it. It'll keep the person acclimated to singles while in accumulation phases as a great side effect and it works well for variations which the trainee may not be accustomed to.

[@FacelessProjects]

Great podcast! At 49:00 was the referenced British lifter Owen Hubbard? He certainly shares that RPE 6 looks like an RPE 10 characteristic.

[@StrongButAwkward]

"Come with me to nerdland" is a phrase I'm going to use in the future.

[@En1Gm4A]

Verry nice content lately :-) Has provided me with a whole bunch of great information :-)

[@joelschneider2186]

Awesome podcast. Keep it up.

[@bwoodbball42]

Wow such a wholesome ending🙂

[@leonharmon5147]

Watching this two years too late since RPE is the hot KZbin strength topic

[@gregorycocco9043]

Fantastic. Thank you.

[@TheJaronH]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what does peripheral and central stress/fatigue? They talk about it right at around the 1h mark. Anyway, awesome podcast! Awesome combo right there.

[@michaelkarayan6652]

Wth was he doing in Wichita Falls?? Also J, having run your guys’ templates and having exposure to RPE, this spoke volumes to me and was extremely informative. Gonna join your group programming soon. Thank you for the free info y’all!

[@BarbellMedicine]

He was traveling to ship his car.

[@jamesmeacham4069]

Very informative and sound discussion on key topics that ties nicely with The programming podcasts. Great insight into the various tools available to foster positive training outcomes. Thank you. Curious, why the continuous subtle jabs at Rippetoe, Starting Strength & Practical Programming? At times it comes across as petty, especially given your years associated with that platform. Could a better way be to advocate the solid merits of your platform without using nuisanced remarks to try and tear down others that you used to associate with? Perhaps as Mike said in the discussion you could then “meet people where they are” and let folks learn and decide the best tools for their training and progression. Or just don’t be subtle, come out guns blazing, more directly call the people you disagree with by name and just let the chips fall where they may. This approach would be more open and connects with your comments in the video about if people don’t support certain concepts they don’t belong at the table. (Paraphrasing). Wishing you continued success through Barbell Medicine.

[@BarbellMedicine]

The issue is discussing the stuff in isolation. We have tried to discuss this with the "other side" and have been mocked by our former colleagues. I have no problem publicly stating we disagree with the programming model, analysis of training variables, and biocmechanical rationale for exercise selection put forth by Starting Strength. We think it should be modified and that it should be discussed in public. That said, when in WF- there are jokes to be made :)

[@jamesmeacham4069]

Thank you for the response and the background. From a lay person’s perspective I haven’t come across “public” mocking from the former colleagues, was the mocking you referenced on another platform or in a non-public setting? Regardless, it is great content Barbell Medicine is providing. Rising above disagreements and focusing on the merits of your approaches as opposed to the expense of others rises your platform above the fray. Although the irony of your guest being in WF is truly priceless & deserving of a little comedy. Thank you again for being a resource for strength and health outcomes and advocating for greater compliance and effectiveness in strength training.

[@tzqrr]

It's on their forum.

[@pauldillingham6316]

Did periodization also come from track sports?

[@danielmoore2309]

Hi jordon . Do you think the deadlift is the main contributor to your back hypertrophy or would you say its mainly come from back accessories? I ask because im in a hypertrothy block and not sure to add back accessories or sack that off and just add more sets of deads .cheers!!

[@BarbellMedicine]

It's Jordan and yes, I think most of my back's growth has been secondary to deadlifts.

[@danielmoore2309]

Sorry mate . Thanks for the swift reply keep up the good work

[@davidnmfarrell]

This was a fun discussion thanks for posting. I wished Jordan would back off and let Mike talk more. You've got to slow it down at times, let the other person think and finish their thoughts. Cutting them off early may nix some whole other interesting line of thinking the person is coming around to.

[@BarbellMedicine]

David Farrell That’s not really how this works, unfortunately. We have a limited time to talk about things.

[@duncano187]

I didn't get that at all. I thought Mike talked for long periods of time to show his thought processes?

[@123peterjackson]

amazing.....thank you :-)

[@joelschneider2186]

54:30 taking weight off the bar and still overshooting. Did that the other day.

[@FacelessProjects]

Tiny Jordan at the very end 😆

[@Thomas-ky4wc]

Hello Drs :) Thanks for the information as always Totally unrelated question: How do you program pull ups and rows? Do you do a 1to1 push to pull ratio? Do you use variations? Which rep ranges do you use? Thank you

[@ridersintheskystudios108]

Hellboy After reading and running The Bridge, I feel Jordan recommends programming upper back work on separate GPP days. Basically you set a clock for 7 minutes (or similar time span) and do as many pullups/rows as possible in the allotted time. Do however many sets you can while not going to failure on any set. It's mainly just working the muscle that matters there. 1x1 Push/Pull ratio is not essential because it is not backed by evidence. Since presses are contested events in powerlifting, they matter much more. (If you're just in this for general strength though, go for it) Also, pressing correctly prevents shoulder problems, not necessarily more pulling volume. Variations in the pulling aspect are the same as in any other aspect. Variations are useful for accumulating volume without causing the same amount of stress. If utilizing the above programming idea regarding a 7 minute AMRAP, the rep range used matters much less than the total volume accumulated. That being said, use common sense and don't use a weight you can rep for 30 or anything like that. Hope this helps man!

[@Thomas-ky4wc]

Thanks for the answer man. It helped :)

[@sloanbrian245]

Long overdue! Hell yeah!

[@arieldadush2349]

Is that alan thrall in the background of mike? Lol

[@Cowboybiglift]

Where can we find a print out of the rpe scale with description?

[@stormshaman]

In the Bridge PDF

[@userer4579]

On the Reactive Training Systems website.

[@TheFrankHuda]

Love all your videos gangsta, found Mike Matthews last year, then found Starting Strength, then Alan Thrall, then you guys. I hope the fedora in the background is your girlfriends. Where's the maple-necked fat Strat?

[@Davotheledge]

Jordan could talk underwater with a mouth full of marbles and he'd still make more sense than me.

[@grizzlymanverneteil4443]

Jordan and Mike?!?!?! Well slap my ass and call me Jim Wendler!

[@Jokar97]

Mike did not originate the use of the Borg RPE scale for strength training, for the record. Not sure why we are asking him if it’s okay for others to use it lol

[@biesman5]

Who did?

[@bujarmurati3004]

Ending strength linear regression

[@That_Rat_Bastrd]

Rating 5* got me from competition fit to bedridden skeleton in only 4 months best post-elite program on the market

[@nlamothe]

43:20 - "elegant" ?!???!!! I was so expecting "nuanced" :)

[@tusharjamwal]

two german surnames. hmmmmm

[@TheLouisianan]

Feigenbaum is Jewish actually. Ashkenazi Jews are from Germany though so