Episode 284 - What is Holding Up the Moritz Seider & Lucas Raymond Contracts?

[@ajmpatriot4899]

Excellent points made by all regarding Mo and Razor contracts. I am not very knowledgeable about this stuff and was very curious about this subject. You laid it out nicely. We shall see. 🤔

[@dack400]

I think based on what’s left of the cap, it’s pretty clear at least Raymond or seider will bridge, might get one of then for 8 years, but probably not both

[@dj4aces]

It feels really odd to see people saying Veleno's deal is an overpay when his performance was comparable to Rasmussen's performance at ~$1m less. Veleno's deal is fine. We're gonna sign Seider and Raymond, and still have cap space regardless of whether or not we sign Berggren.

[@GrindLinePod]

I don't see them having any more than 1m left over if that. And Rasmussen is a much different player than Veleno. Consistent and far more reliable.

[@jackconrad2667]

Valeno was a slight overpay. Rasmussen uses his body more. But valeno deal wasn’t horrible either

[@travismcgrath1373]

Rasmussen is so much better than Veleno it’s not even close

[@seguinryan]

Thanks for the episode guys! I feel like people forget about intangibles in signings like this. At face value you see a slight overpay (even just from analytically i don't see it) but people REALLY forget the fact that this signing gives us two years (instead of one year he would have received in arb) plus he still remains under team control as RFA in two seasons. I still feel like Veleno can take another step. He can be a 15 goal (35pt) guy, that will eventually be apart of the mentor group for young prospects. He'll play 4C and PK2 and do fine at this AAV for us.

[@GrindLinePod]

Thanks for listening! I agree about Veleno's status but in time I Think he is easily replaced by even someone like Emmitt Finnie.

[@JambiPot]

​@@GrindLinePoddo you think Finnie projects to be an NHL centerman? That feels a bit optimistic to me.

[@justinshields3819]

Do you guys think that Husso will get bought out now that Detroit earned an extra buyout window?

[@jackconrad2667]

Depends on if yzerman has another deal on the way

[@GrindLinePod]

I don't see a reason to go into the season yet again with 3 goalies even though Yzerman says that's the plan. He would be probably my first choice.

[@jackconrad2667]

@@GrindLinePod well we will find out soon enough. Isn’t that buyout period now or tomorrow

[@RogerDowney-zn2kv]

To keep a Veleno at the expense of Breggren, Mo, and Raymond was not a good idea, imho.

[@Mrwingsfan40]

Bergren hasn't proven he's worth much.

[@T-Will-4554]

He hasn't had the chance. They threw him on a line with horrible linemates and limited minutes, and still did really good his first season. Only played 12 games last year and scored 6 points. Roughly a .5 points per game player. Imagine if he played with a 2C. He's FAR better than Veleno and Rass, probably put together. Also better than Copp and Fischer.

[@garyvandecar2580]

Berggren isn't getting more than 1x1

[@GrindLinePod]

@T-Will-4554 they aren't comparable. His defensive lapses make him a liability playing in the top 6 right now. If he can improve defense just a little he'll be a fine 3rd liner.

[@T-Will-4554]

@GrindLinePod I'm talking about offensive potential between forwards. Centers and wingers alike. There are quite a few defensive liabilities on this team right now in the bottom 6. Might as well go with the higher scoring defensive liability lol He's nowhere near reaching his full potential. They need to trade him or keep him up, he's WAY too good for GR.

[@joesantangelo1]

Completely overreact to Veleno’s contract. If cap space needs to be made, it will be made. I don’t think we have to worry about anything lol.

[@Kieva_Storm]

By avoiding arbitration, they open a buyout window. Probably Ville Husso, to be honest.

[@evansabourin8493]

Uh Debrincat is 93. 🤦‍♂️

[@brianpowers3742]

Stevie seems like a 'last minute' kinda guy

[@seanjulian9068]

I feel like Tyler doesn't talk at all. Then chimes in with random thoughts he has.

[@GrindLinePod]

@@seanjulian9068 he's been playing too much College Football, not enough time to keep up. 🤣

[@brendenmoan13]

Uhm Tyler...Tarasenko cant pick 93, Cat has it lmao.

[@GrindLinePod]

Tyler not paying attention.

[@jakerux6092]

Yzerman is forced to make a trade if he can’t get Mo & Raymond below $8.33M AAV.

[@seguinryan]

They will likely both sign for less than that. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a slight delay because they're finalizing AAV on LT deals.

[@GrindLinePod]

@@seguinryan I'd be shocked if Seider took less than 8.5m.

[@seguinryan]

@@GrindLinePod he would have to sign a bridge deal then, which would kind of be unfortunate. It would be a dream come true if him a Ray took team friendly contracts. Even if we signed Ray at 8m per and Mo at 8.275m i would love that!

[@Mrwingsfan40]

Copp hasn't turned out to be what the pay him for. He's gotta get traded.

[@GrindLinePod]

It would be a near impossible contract to trade unless you ate half the salary.

[@brianpowers3742]

@@GrindLinePod and they are STLL paying for Abdelkader til 2026!!!