Episode 3: Enter Sherlock Holmes. Not.

[@lindsay.newman]

thank you for all the excellent ‘noise’. May we keep up the momentum until a proper legal review is instigated.

[@doubleplusgoodthinker9434]

A point that keeps being made is that Letby was present when these selected babies died. This does not take into account that the collapses may have started before Letby came on duty. For example, a baby starts to collapse at 7pm and dies at 9pm. Letby comes on duty at 8pm. Therefore she murdered the baby. Not.

[@guestaccesslaptopguestacce5198]

well said..."selected"...to speak properly is key indeed

[@wildmagic-jo]

Thanks for your hard work and diligence.

[@KS-yv7tw]

So Hughes’s detective skills didn’t manage to stretch to knowing that the unit was downgraded. He did claim he didn’t know anything medical so presumably he didn’t understand the difference between a level 1 or level 2 unit. Any reasonable defence would have ripped him to pieces in a trial

[@KingBee24]

ditto ... I was under the apprehension that's what detectives did ... investigated ! Also, didn't they bother checking the credentials of Dewi Evans. He wasn't a neonatologist, had no forensics experience and last practiced in 2007 ! Why did they use somebody who didn't qualify as an 'expert' witness ?

[@juenothing5432]

The rota took no account of % time on the unit. Excluded the Dr's.

[@juenothing5432]

You need to quantify 5 times the rate of single babies at 32 - 33 weeks gestation babies. My issue is the care was so bad, so very awful, the planning of care was missing and poorly implemented by consultants. It was not that these babies or triplets had a higher risk because of the gestational intrauterine circumstances, it was because they were cared for in a poorly functioning, germ ridden, dreadful unit, with young staff, inexperienced staff, no neonatologist, and poor medical consultant input.

[@OperationMerlinFalcon]

You guys have them on the run. Be prepared because you know from experience John, the big time media will begin with trying to discredit and drive wedges between those who support you and your efforts. Stay strong, we will be here for you guys!

[@treefrog1956]

The Thirlwall Paradox - investigating something that never ever happened.

[@hazzard8760]

It doesn't matter how many appeals Lucy makes, this case will not go away until the FULL truth comes out in public. Yes I do feel sympathy for the parents of the victims, but this is no price to pay to justify incarcerating a potentially innocent victim of flawed justice for the rest of her life..

[@joshb7326]

So basically youre saying you're unwilling to accept reality

[@williamhallett327]

@@joshb7326 The reality is that much of the supposed expert evidence presented at the trial was bullshit (especially from Evans), while ignoring the contemporary medical evidence that is there for all to find in the autopsies and hospital notes, pointing to an outbreak of sepsis cases and substandard medical care from the junior out-of-their-depth doctors who were left largely unsupervised by the consultants (Jayaram was even working on his TV career when this was happening). I suspect the ultimate outcome of the case is that the hospital (literally awash in shit) and medical staff are sued for medical negligence once it is realised that Letby was after all an unfortunate scapegoat. If you have ever worked in healthcare as I and members of my family have you will have seen this sort of scapegoating behaviour for yourself.

[@michelecarbone2896]

​@@joshb7326 you must be living in an alternative reality then

[@ruthbashford3176]

@@joshb7326 The reality is Lucy Letby is innocent and the babies she was supposed to have murdered died from natural causes.

[@scottaznavourian3720]

The babies and the parents are indeed victims...but not of lucy....the parents have been manipulated and their babies used for something evil...

[@markwhite3958]

This is an excellent series and very well explained and presented. The case for Lucy to be released or at least get a fair trial grows stronger each day!!!

[@dan003]

An absolutely disgraceful take.

[@markwhite3958]

@@dan003 This series is one of many that are now realising the case for acquital is ever growing. If you don't agree thats up to you but what is disgraceful about it??? or are you just happy for a miscarriage of justice to take place and do nothing about it???

[@guestaccesslaptopguestacce5198]

@@dan003 not a take....a take is w hat seems to have been taken regarding the deaths and the story how/what/when/who, and Letby...facts are not takes, facts are reality, and should always free of takes, sides, etc...I see how hard it is to consider something as serious as justice can be wrong...but if we take feeldings, ears, worries...aside and look at facts....there is no take...I honestly would like to ear what evidence there is that proves her guilt, and why you think she is guilty (I assume you think so based on your comments/ happy to reconsider all facts if there are any or many that show her guilt..please share)

[@fredphipps9452]

This is very interesting, thanks for your hard work

[@lilibetfellinger8641]

If Evans was an expert in this field, one might imagine he knew about the exceedingly high risk of single placenta multiple births. Also, was it in the notes, as noted by those who assisted in the birth process.

[@philipholding]

He was a paediatrician ( yonks ago), not a neonatologist. They showed him a picture of a Philips baby monitor in court, and he said he never saw one because they never had them in Swansea, where he worked. He also said babies were simple little things. There is not much that they go wrong with them. He rarely treated preterm neonates!

[@mimimuchiyani7]

Another excellent episode - Law of the Land is to consider alternative explanations and infection factory is a take for me makes me to wonder why Lucy is denied an appeal I can’t wait for the next series

[@KingBee24]

Excellent presentation. I have one observation. You talk about the 'spike' in deaths, yet statisticians have shown that the deaths were within statistical norms and corresponded with other similar sized NICU during that time period.

[@ruthbashford3176]

Cheshire Constabulary were so inept they even got the door swipe data the wrong way round.

[@scottaznavourian3720]

There is something creepy about the triplets deaths though...almost as if they intentionally set her up to fail so they coukd finally get rid of her

[@colingreene7359]

rounding on a chosen one is only possible when the others around the abused are glad its not them -speak up !

[@HENNAtabasun1990]

Absolutely, the whole Lucy Letby witch hunt happened due to bullying and cowardice due to the fear of being the next scapegoat.

[@hopeisthething1965]

Thank you!

[@ncooper8438]

Enter Inspector Clouseau more like.

[@scottaznavourian3720]

9:20 arent they claiming now they didn't use statistics?

[@ruthbashford3176]

Dr Evans has said statistics were not important in the trial. The bogus spreadsheet is actually what pointed the finger at Lucy.

[@OperationMerlinFalcon]

In the Operation Hummingbird video, DS Paul Hughes brings up the statical reasoning often. The part he left out was about Professor Hutton and their inquiry with her. We now know that actually occurred. They question remains is whether the police and/or prosecution knew or should have known LL defense may have been entitled to such evidence. This causes another crack in the investigation, arrest, prosecution and conviction of the former British Nurse Lucy Letby. When John Sweeney is finished with this case. They will call the CoCH, The Lucy Letby Hospital of Chester!

[@guestaccesslaptopguestacce5198]

@@ruthbashford3176 it gets better...does not it..oh Lord... On top of reviewing Letbys about time we review what is considered an expert...unbiased...retribuion etc etc and even education! critical thinking1!

[@thomasreed49]

Thanks for what you do but I’m afraid when the establishment decide you’re guilty for something you didn’t do it’s game over. Sadly Lucy will do her full time in prison with no chance of parole

[@ruthbashford3176]

I disagree, the guilty verdict is untenable and Lucy will be freed from prison sooner rather than later.

[@ruthbashford3176]

The first question police should have asked the consultants was did the babies have post mortems and if so what were the results?

[@karlsinclair9918]

Is this available as a podcast in Spotify, etc?

[@YA-qo7xq]

It is !

[@guestaccesslaptopguestacce5198]

Some people seem to look down at those querying and worrying about this case, but I never get an answer from them saying what/why she is guilty...can someone list what is the evidence that proved her guilt please? Am I missing something??

[@guestaccesslaptopguestacce5198]

Fair enough police may not have done things willingly...and were convinced they were doing the right thing...but how can the fact they got rid of the expert telling them they could not link the deaths directly on the nurse, on whom they already had their eyes, because XYZ...including that her leaving and the reduction in deaths may have been not because of her absence but because they stopped the types of babies they accepted until then? Even if you do not know about correlation, causation, stats etc, this is a pretty basic idea to comprehend...so I am genuinely asking: what was the rationale behind this?..how did they justify discarding the expert/explanation and withholding the info? why?... and what consequences could this have for the cops? deliberately ignoring evidence is a crime, right? negligently ignoring evidence also has legal consequences, right? (I would guess that this is independently of the outcome of the case...surely in some countries).. hHow do we avoid this happening again? How many of those watching these videos can afford paying a private legal team and the experts and all the rest if the system goes against us?....scary...unfair...we should consider a system similar to healthcare, and a system that allows citizens the amount of money to use in their desense equal to the amount they put in their accusation...with experts being hired by courts, not the sides, and having tribunals -professional judges, magistrates, more than 1...like a jury, but experts in law, which actually is the system in many countries.

[@loopular1]

10:37 it’s wasn’t the Detectives notion though was it!

[@Rebecca236]

Well surely this is the same for the case of nurse Beverly Allitt but I don't see anyone banging on about her innocence or miscarriage of justice.

[@treefrog1956]

Completely different.

[@ruthbashford3176]

Beverly Allitt was guilty. Lucy has been found guilty of murdering babies that had post mortems and were found to have died from natural causes. The babies were sick and premature and sadly neonates die suddenly and without warning.

[@joshb7326]

So what your explanation of the new evidence of yet more murders at Liverpool hospital. Different place, different time, different people and they didn't investigate at the time so you can't even say she was a scapegoat

[@michelecarbone2896]

There is no such evidence, only headlines. Please don't stop at article titles, and do some research.

[@ruthbashford3176]

There is no new evidence of murders at Liverpool hospital, you don't know what you're talking about! There has been unsubstantiated allegations made against Lucy Letby at the Thirlwall Inquiry and they can't be challenged because Lucy's lawyer, Mark McDonald, has been debarred from being there.

[@sarahrymill2692]

What evidence??

[@scottaznavourian3720]

Supposed murders? The claim is there were mkoe intubations dislodged when she was om duty.. meaning she's the one who reported them on her shift in the first place....pretty stupid if she's doing it...yes these things happen without human intervention and that's why they will never bring charges.

[@joshb7326]

@@sarahrymill2692 you're answer just proves you're completely blind to what's going on and the full picture