Episode 47 | Laibel & Flatbush Girl Fight to the Death

[@barniebabushka]

Summary of podcast: girl that has no clue wtf she's talking about argues with three dudes who also have no idea wtf they talking about

[@perelafrand8173]

Agree. So pointless

[@theDiann]

Yup

[@smashmouth4213]

The Mothers and all great females in jewish history are turning in theyre graves knowing that this lady has influence and power in the the orthodox world.This podcast is just 2 hours of her broadcasting her lack of knowledge in basic jewish law and customs.

[@Uninvisble]

This is like a conversation between a bunch of Shana Aleph guys who speak about things with the conviction of authority but are really just a bunch of Am Aratzim.

[@Doubleuesq]

Bdiyuk

[@moshen7841]

Wrong: Laibel is a true Lamdan

[@hertzhur8022]

So is Adina

[@ezrabaraka3583]

Both sides are am Haaretzim and Flatbush girl is a just a leftist activist masquerading as a frum woman

[@michalschwartz1127]

Exactly. This is hardly an open conversation..

[@RabbiScience]

This entire conversation would have been SO different if they had someone else in the studio who was even moderately well-versed in Halacha

[@moshpitzer]

Flatbush girls husband is an aguna

[@Ace23412]

Love everyone arguing about complex halachos, and afterwards saying they don't actually know

[@שושנהגולדשטיין-ניסנבויםטוענתרב]

As a licensed toenet rabbanit, who represents women in BD on a regular basis, Flatbush Girls has little understanding of Halacha. There should have been a halachic authority in the podcast to set the record straight.

[@pm7878]

Love how 3 guys that are not exactly the most religious suddenly become the fiercest advocates of the rabanim.

[@hayleynhassan]

this gave me PTSD and reminded me why I went to law school! She has more grace than I would have in this situation... 😅

[@YSPLP]

She signed her Kesuba?? Since when do women sign the kesuba? She just bullshits on the fly like no big deal.

[@barniebabushka]

Also, the kesuba has no bearing on divorces, as the minimum amount of support is generally covered by the amount he will owe her regardless when assets are divided

[@richardreisman5484]

She is the poster child of why females aren't supposed to learn these topics. She is either blatantly wrong or extremely oversimplifying every halacha or situation.

[@musia2423]

On the contrary. Women need to learn more so they can understand these topics with greater knowledge of the sources. All the hosts could refer to was "the gedolim" and "mishnah brurah". If she had had a formal education in Halacha and gemarah this conversation (barely one at that) would have been considerably better.

[@richardreisman5484]

@@musia2423 I agree that everyone should be more educated on this topic. But most of halacha and especially in this situation is not about president. It's about having the understand of how halacha and Torah works to teach a psak in each case individually. She clearly has no idea how rabbanim look at and decide psakim.

[@richardreisman5484]

In halacha and Torah there is no concept of president. It's knowing how to decipher a situation with taking all the nuances into account to reach a verdict. To quote random cases without knowing any of the details and saying we should apply that in different cases is lunacy.

[@danceillusions13]

​@@richardreisman5484she has no idea because she clearly hasn't learned or been taught Torah. So actually the solution is to educate women, because when you don't, you end up with the likes of flatbush girl

[@abraham2388]

Just got to watch the video 6 months after it came out, I got to say you're really amazing!!! (Pls fire the guy with the cap)

[@MentalHelathAdvacate1996]

He fired him. Why don’t you like him?

[@song9119]

I like the way the ppl on this podcast are pretty respectful to one another even if they strongly disagree at times

[@benzismuzic]

Not respectful at all....he prob was drunk

[@ShuiHaber]

you cant throw out random terminologies and say that there are ways to solve the agunah crisis, its like opening a dictionary and throwing out random ingredients and saying to make a recipe.

[@hayleynhassan]

the same thing is being done with the issues here.. it is so disorganized! Can you imagine if they had at least made a few stipulations beforehand... oy 😶

[@LGM996]

Not understanding why people watch this podcast

[@shoshanaweiner9952]

“You’re not aligning yourself with the people you’re trying to change” I love you Laibel 😘

[@rachelweiss-xs3nk]

She’s against everything orthodox. Total rebel.

[@mosheschwartz-rv9hk]

Flatbush Girl is trying to distort halachah. The guy with the purple tshirt is actually talking some sense

[@Davidl422]

These topics indeed warrant thoughtful debate. However, I wish the discussion had been conducted between individuals who truly understand the complexities of Judaism, specifically Orthodox Judaism, and how it distinguishes itself from Reform and Conservative movements. An individual who grasps how Orthodox Judaism exists in an ever-evolving world, and understands both the principles of Halakha and the intricate details of the Gemara, would be able to shed light on the varying opinions. So that each side could explain their perspective and we are they are coming from. For example, you could explore the question to what extent does Orthodox Judaism evolve? Such a debate requires someone with in-depth knowledge of the intimate details of Judaism, its nuances, and how they apply to our modern lives. Engaging in this debate without such understanding is like arguing about government policies, without ever learning the basics of economics. It ends up being a shouting match.

[@shoshanaweiner9952]

Actually made it through the whole comment. Cldve been said in 2 lines.

[@shoshanaweiner9952]

Glad to see you’re handling the swearwords a lot better now 😂

[@Davidl422]

So you’re one of those type of people.

[@RabbiPolichenco]

​@@shoshanaweiner9952 and what are those 2 lines?

[@esteeg4797]

Why is the readhead so confrontational? Let the woman finish a sentence before jumping to attack her. Debating this way won’t get you any respect.

[@zevfeldman4346]

He is actually right. She thinks that her subjective feelings overwrite basic Halacha.

[@shoshanaweiner9952]

*redhead 😂

[@yasmin8370]

Right... Ugh sooo annoying

[@Yossiaa11]

Knowing leible from watching literally every single episode from this podcast I think he showed incredible restraint which is probably very hard for someone with his nature

[@nathankatri328]

Lol because some of the stuff she is saying is so stupid he just can’t hear it

[@doreenwarn8644]

Abuse can happen from both sides . Withholding a Get gives the man an undue advantage and is improper . Leibel is wrong .

[@song9119]

Why is Leibel wrong, he’s actually saying the same thing as you, that abuse happens on both sides

[@JayFeifer-jm2dt]

She is woke

[@moshpitzer]

Flatbush girls is refusing a get from her "husband"

[@natans5323]

Wayyyy more women railing men in divorce court over money and kids then agunas.. I’m with laibel here

[@zevfeldman4346]

The point she’s making about Miriam singing by ‏ קריעת ים סוף for the men, is totally bogus. rather played on an instrument and sang for the women. ותקח מרים הנביאה אחות אהרן את־התף בידה ותצאן כל־הנשים אחריה בתפים ובמחלת

[@teshuvahnow2839]

don’t bull shit us when the commentaries everywhere say she SANG

[@zevfeldman4346]

@@teshuvahnow2839 where does it say that Miriyam sang for the men? Please enlighten me

[@meirtt]

nivul peh? Why this kind of language? You are seemingly calling for teshuva after all@@teshuvahnow2839

[@benignuman]

@@teshuvahnow2839 It says she lead the women in singing. Rashi on the spot says Miriam taught As Yashir to the women and Moshe taught it to the men. There's no reason to think she was singing in front of the men. Shiras Devorah is a much better argument because it says she sang with Boruch. There are various answers, of course, and they have practical differences in halacha. For example the Sridei Aish held that kol isha doesn't apply to shiros v'tishbachos to Hashem. He says this is the halachic basis for the Yekke minhag for women to sing zemiros at the Shabbos table even when there are guests.

[@song9119]

I think 2-3 dayanim should’ve been invited to this podcast

[@yaelrapoport5222]

I heard from the mouth of my own neighborhood rav, that when extremists were behaving in a very untorah way (usingvandalismfor example), he was not willing to stand up against them because he just didn't want to get into that fight. He didn't have the strength to fight the good fight. As much as we do not want to accept it, rabanim are human beings. For that very reason, a rav on a beis din who accepted the loan of an umbrella from the defendant in a case took himself off of that case because it might be considered bribery. Politics plays a big part in these issues. Money plays a part in these issues. It's unfortunate but true.

[@Doubleuesq]

The education system failed everyone on this podcast.

[@Zealot101-mi3ni]

But up to them to get the help they need

[@Moka162]

Fax

[@oyeahjustcomenting]

I think whatever education system you went through that would enable you to criticize a group of Jews disagree on an important matter, without providing any argument, critique or anything, is far more expressive of the poor education you’ve had and not so much their’s

[@Doubleuesq]

@@oyeahjustcomenting I had the same education they did...

[@srulik666]

​@oyeahjustcomenting You choose not to understand the argument. Let me spell it out for you: These guys have very superficial knowledge. This is clear to anyone who knows just a little more. They choose not to bring anyone with understanding to this discussion. This is not about your rights to say foolish things against government. Nobody stops them. It is about understanding at least the level of your own knowledge and be careful when you talk to wider audience.

[@jaygee7276]

This lady is a living example of someone living with a victim mentality.

[@oyeahjustcomenting]

She just spent 2 hours explaining she is a victim and you deny it? You deny that a female is powerless to obtain a Gett isn’t a victim of society? Of the halachic system that as she explained does not need to be reformed to fix this but rather the rabbinical enforcement today does?…

[@ezrabaraka3583]

Yes she’s basically a leftist trying to distort Halacha masquerading as a frum woman there’s no diff bet her and a reform or wtvr spouting tikun olam

[@grada4ever]

YIKES. Laibel. This is terrible for you. And great for Flatbush girl. You don’t realize how lacking in empathy and benefit to the doubt (and perhaps mysogonisitic) you come across here. Do better. As a person. Your podcast is too important for you not to do some serious self reflection after this.

[@hashemcreator]

Lol. Are you one of flatbush girl's trolls..?

[@ilanaleonard3850]

I don’t know if Laibel is married, but I worry for his wife/future wife. This man just said he would withhold a gett if he didn’t get what he wanted. That’s the most controlling red-flag thing I’ve ever heard, and it shows how out of touch he is that he would freely admit that.

[@shoshanaweiner9952]

You took what he said out of context.

[@ilanaleonard3850]

@@shoshanaweiner9952 I did not, he said the gett should be used as a bargaining chip for assets/child custody/anything else, and he said he would personally use it that way if he had to. That is controlling and misogynistic.

[@barniebabushka]

I heard him say that in a situation where a woman was using her family's money and power and making things up to destroy a guy and his relationship with his kids, he would use a Get to even the playing field and get a fair settlement. That sounds like he would be in favor of using a Get to protect himself. Not quite the same as a bargaining chip

[@SDStellaD]

He's single and said he's been in therapy for 11 years. Go figure.

[@barniebabushka]

"The most controlling red flag thing" is parental alienation. To manipulate kids to hate a parent because you're bitter your marriage didn't work out. The kids are the what matter most but their lives being destroyed beyond repair doesn't keep Flatbushgirl up at night as long as the woman in the situation is happy and can move on

[@RabbiScience]

She is an absolutely HORRID spokesperson for this issue. Her misrepresentation of the halachos relevant to Gittin does tremendous disservice to her cause. It reinforces the sense that there are no real halachic pathways to approaching resolutions.

[@edensidneyfoster7873]

How so? How is she misrepresenting?

[@RabbiScience]

@@edensidneyfoster7873 The ease and frequency of heter meah rabbanim (implying that men have an “easy out” as opposed to women). The relevance of umdenah - implying that it can easily be applied. Same with bitul kiddushin based on “mum gadol”. She literally is repeating words that she has NO clue the meaning, or she’s an outright liar.

[@edensidneyfoster7873]

@@RabbiScience If heter meah happens more frequently isn’t that evidence that it is easier? What makes these examples so difficult to apply? And if they are difficult, is it not worth the effort to find the way to apply them?

[@nunnyeh]

1:10:33 where did moshe take a beating from within the yidden?

[@h_in_oh]

It's not that a community will push a leader to make certain decisions; it's that the threat of a community backlash prevents them from making certain decisions. Every leader today lives within a community bubble, and a leader's authority is dependent on that community. A community must be open to accepting an idea for it's leader to have the freedom to consider it. Even worse is if those a leader's community bubble considers not-good-enough were to cheer for such a leader while the community themselves did not like that leader's decision.

[@TorahForever]

I am a fan of leibel guy who even though doesn't wear a yarmulke he has real "yiras shamayim" and knows the emes-truth

[@benzismuzic]

There r three shitos in kol isha : 1)Nothing allowed 2) allowed as long as you don't see face 3) allowed as long as u don't attend live concert. According to 3rd opinion girls can have a public page...

[@benignuman]

Many more opinions that that.

[@Menchman]

Okay. Bottom line; Flatbush girl is a politician. Straight up politician.

[@letsgettserious]

1:28:55 why is it traumatic for a woman to see the male body? If men and women are equal, then the response to male and female exposure should be equal too

[@ShuiHaber]

you all have no idea what you are talking about - men and women have different mitzvot because we have different missions and different things we need to do. Many of the issues you are discussing are conflations and completely made up. You are missing how halacha works.

[@bf423]

EXACTLY well said. Tho I did find this pod super entertaining

[@chayap.199]

Rabbonim need to unite and back each other. Adina is right. The Rabbonim need to be bolder, have broader shoulders

[@chayap.199]

@@JJ-kf4kc Standing up to abusive powerful men in the community will require the Rabbonim to be brave.

[@NadavJulius]

What this episode was missing is an actual modern Rav who could answer her without prefixing “I don’t actually know”

[@nunnyeh]

24:33 henay sorah bi'o hell no Her deleteing every other why of translating the verse besides hes is hilarious because the entire point of deeper translating is because the torah doesn't just say random things that should be taken olny at face value every single letter has a deeper meaning That's one of the reasons why if one letter is missing its posel

[@noahneon]

The Rav Ovadiah Yosef story was super interesting. I had never heard that before. We should study that case study and see what R Yosef relied on to grant those Gets.

[@zevfeldman4346]

Rav Obadiah Zatzal wasn’t dealing with Get refusers. He was dealing with legitimate Agunos after the independence and 6 day wars who didn’t know if their spouses are still alive.

[@teshuvahnow2839]

@@zevfeldman4346not true he also dealt with other kinds of agunot- difference is he truly cared for women unlike todays leaders

[@zevfeldman4346]

@@teshuvahnow2839 it would be helpful if you can share a link or something with the facts surrounding the exact stories.

[@nathankatri328]

I know the story in depth and I don’t know why she brings it up it dosnt help her if you know the whole story

[@sinatra222]

Sephardic. Doesn't count.

[@velvetsteele]

IMO: The most relevant part of this podcast starts at 1:40:00

[@wizo-xs2mp]

Thanks l appreciated that

[@mrsam-ff8ld]

I lost a lot of respect for her, after that first conversation, this is what happens when you sleep through הלכה סדר every day!!

[@ao.h.b4570]

me too she really is not showing her bright side

[@OfficialComent]

She is woke. She mixes feelings with halacha. She is a confused individual. But the real problem is that she is debating 3 "am haratzim"

[@yaelrapoport5222]

1:54 withholding a gett is abusive. Withholding the kids from a parent is not child abuse. It may be manipulative and disgusting but not child abuse.

[@barniebabushka]

Ummmm, sorry, but terrible take. I can't think of anything more emotionally traumatic for a child than to be sent the message that their parents fight is more important than them or worse, in the case of more overt alienation, that one of their parents does not love them. You only need look at where these kids end up (best case in years of therapy) to realize that withholding children from a parent and the message that sends them is extreme emotional abuse.

[@rochelleahschoenberg5696]

Wow she literally deflects every question to say she doesn’t know she’s not an expert so why is she talking on the topic🙄

[@michellelansky4490]

Honestly.....she is the biggest baalas gaava but at the same time full of hot air like I've never seen. I never thought I'd see someone talk about herself like that.

[@GaviMoshe]

Here is the process for creating Agudah cases: Begin by abducting children, then assert that the "get" must be issued without consideration for any surrounding factors. In a nutshell, this outlines the essence of the "Aguna Crisis."

[@barniebabushka]

Yes, several of these cases were instigated by shit women. But to be fair, there are certainly cases of shit men out there. Both can be true

[@letsgettserious]

@@barniebabushka the vast majority of "agunah" cases are easy to resolve by just sharing custody and cutting off financial ties

[@barniebabushka]

@@letsgettserious what do you mean cutting off financial ties

[@letsgettserious]

@@barniebabushka Cutting off all payments between the spouses, for example monthly "child support" or alimony payments . if the man is chained to the marriage by being forced send large monthly payments to his ex-spouse, there are still financial ties between the couple and a lot of men feel that as long as they are chained to their ex-spouse, they will not finalize the divorce.

[@barniebabushka]

@letsgettserious I agree on alimony. It's a ridiculous concept. Child support is a little different but certainly should be an agreed reasonable amount that is needed for basic needs and tuition. The issue is that even after things are settled, the courts are always open for adjustments. Women whose families have too much money will spend tons of money on lawyers for slight adjustments in support just to make their ex have to pay more

[@davidgehsjsks3235]

She is probably gonna demand this podcast gets removed after she watches it, and realizes how she embarrassed her self in the first conversation

[@ilanaleonard3850]

You think SHE embarrassed herself? Adina remained calm, poised, and articulate in the face of what can only be described as an aggressive, immature, mansplaining attack on everything she was saying with no attempt to listen to her side and try to understand. This wasn’t a debate, they were trying to bash her. I seriously have seen kindergarteners treat each other with more respect then they treated her. It’s them who should be embarrassed.

[@michellelansky4490]

@@ilanaleonard3850 she only embarrassed herself bec she sounds stupid....not bec of her deportment.

[@leah6970]

nah, he was respectfully giving her some much deserved pushback on her past actions and questioned her "brand" and she never fully answered a lot of his very legitimate questions@@ilanaleonard3850

[@Judahkor]

Flatbushgirl questioning Rav Shafran is equivalent to a preschooler questioning Elon Musks decisions on the proper way to build a rocket

[@nehamakramer350]

@48:23 … 😂 rebbe leib in 22 years from now send Flatbush girl a letter. “I’m ready to finish talking about all the halachos now”

[@YLvids]

Teiku??? For real? Wow. Well, if there’s one teikuway from this podcast, it’s gotta be that

[@perelafrand8173]

Don’t understand the logic of bringing her on if they don’t agree on even 1 thing she said. No one needs to hear a podcast of people yelling and arguing for the sake of arguing. Make your money elsewhere.

[@timsoreno]

4 chickens without their heads chasing each other around.

[@GaviMoshe]

I also wanted to bring up something from the last podcast, for the record. There wasn't any discussion about when David Wasserman had last seen his daughters. From what I know, it's been close to ten years since Nechama Esther Wasserman ran away with her kids, asking for a "Get" and "giving" the ultimatum of not seeing the kids again. They might have a custody agreement in place, but she's not following it in any way with her daughters.

[@barniebabushka]

What is your source for this information?

[@gabriellanewman1912]

@@barniebabushkahe’s probably Dovid 😂

[@barniebabushka]

@gabriellanewman1912 I was asking seriously. I've heard a lot of conflicting things about this case. Trying to figure it out. It's one of the shadier aguna scandals. For instance, why is she not recognized by ORA? Ppl who actually want to help this family should be asking these questions

[@oyeahjustcomenting]

I loved the video I watched the whole way through… PLEASE NEXT TIME DESCRIBE THE AGUNAH CRISIS. How big is it? What is a agunah?? We understand the history of getting a get and so on from this conversation but the stakes were just not explained well😅 Thanks!

[@willoughbyave4]

After the divorce the man losses his home, pay for child support , alamoni and mortgage, pay new rent in most cases live in a basement , while the wife enjoys the kids huge and thier laughter while he is paying for it all. can see his kids maybe once a week at best . What can they do they hold the GET , FOR NEGOTIATION , unless they are sick other wise why they would withhold the GET .

[@Ace23412]

Alex providing the best background comedy 😂

[@BenSkyLakewood]

They should also introduce themselves as I have no clue who they are, Adina though have been happy to know her and family for decades.

[@debbiezment]

Kudos to flatbush girl for sitting through 2 hours of verbal abuse and responding so calmly.

[@ny_scoop]

Pushing back isn't abuse.

[@eliweber5071]

Disagreeing is not a verbal abuse

[@sportsallday8795]

Flatbush girl is a menace to the world

[@15shirhamalos]

We should only be listening to competent people on these (and all) issues.

[@ashleyberardi1139]

I loved the part where he was talking about creating a rougher world I defiantly agree. This whole cancel culture and having to apologize for every little thing is adding to a weaker society . Masculine is defiantly needed in this world just as feminity is needed

[@LilPitt92]

The fact that the guys didn't seem to know that men have a chiyuv in hadlakot nerot and that women have an equal chiyuv to men in kiddush on shabbat and the shulchan aruch is clear that women can be yotzei men

[@meirtt]

They didn't say there wasn't a chiyuv. They meant that kidush defers to the man and hadlakat nerot is to women. That's a difference between men and women in those two scenarios.

[@nathankatri328]

I have a different fact for you go ask your rav what this g is spewing

[@nathankatri328]

She isn’t a bad person just dosnt know what’s the heck she is talking about when it comes to psak Halacha

[@RabbiScience]

That’s actually not true. There is a difference between friday night and Shabbos day re whether they have the SAME level of chiyuv.

[@natans5323]

You need to have a qualified Dayan on after all of this to clarify Halacha and take some push back..

[@Menchman]

Theirs something called emunas chachamim. It means you can ask questions but at a certain point you need to nullify your opinion to the opinion of the gedolim. Without that you will get no where.

[@nachib5488]

Bottom line, her husband is a malach being married to this one.

[@shoshanaweiner9952]

Lol yesssss 😂

[@zip19692000]

Flatbush Girl , it doesn't seem that most women in your space have your problems. Women in your neighborhood have been successful for 60 years

[@shloimyspitzer4663]

Get rid of that weirdo with the cap thinking if he simps for ever girl he’s gonna make it to the sleepover

[@shoshanaweiner9952]

Woah, what the hell

[@shloimyspitzer4663]

@@shoshanaweiner9952 Flatbush girls husband gets pegged

[@gymnastjew3000]

This gon be interesting especially after the whole flashing thing

[@ssusholz]

It's ironic that she keeps saying that thr Rabbis are afraid to speak their mind, yet when Leibel speaks his mind she like trys to manipulate him that he shouldn't put it on the podcast such hypocrisy.. typical narcissistic traits.

[@josephsinger8242]

Laibel doesn’t realize that withholding a get is a big form of child abuse

[@chayap.199]

What is funny about sexual harassment?

[@tamir.h.4235]

saying a gadols name and "beitzim" in the same sentence is wild

[@leah6970]

yea that was crazy

[@joebein2450]

I think the difference is a biological one, Men happen to be more attracted to women, than women to men, A woman's voice is more enticing to men, than a man's voice to a woman. It may be wrong, but halacha has changed over time because, us a society, have become more "physical than spiritual" But I could be wrong

[@joebein2450]

@@JJ-kf4kc I will concede that point, but there are things where halacha has been modified, for example, Yibbum is no longer "allowed", (in Minhag Ashkenaz) and Chalitza must be done. This is what I meant, when saying halacha has changed. Of course Halacha has already been halacha, but over time Rabbonim have had to modified their halachic rulings because they were taken the wrong way. Would you agree?

[@libafried5840]

@@joebein2450 No. Halacha has not changed. Why do you say yibum no longer allowed? It is allowed if they want to get married and the man does not have another wife (due to cheirem d'Rabbeinu Gershom) they could marry and it's a mitzvah to do so. Generally in these cases they choose not to marry so chalitza is done to release the woman. Because halacha never changed and the requirement of yibum did not change therefore chalitzah is done. Edit: some people's custom today is not to do yibum today halacha still never changed, that's why chalitzah is a requirement because yibum is still the halachic requirement.

[@joebein2450]

@@libafried5840 I stand corrected, Thank you I was mistaken

[@pokergenius2]

The concept of yeridos hadoros is that Moshe Rabeinu got the Torah from g-d and the further we are from that we are not as clear in understanding the Torah as the previous generations.Those that say there are no yeridos hadoros don’t understand the concept of Torah.

[@jojodesal]

It even worse than that. The idea of yeridos ha doros is fundamental. If one does not understand the greatness of their ancestors, he will not understand the fundamental importance of their understandings and achievements. As a result, this idea was held in esteem even by educated גויים of the past. The fewer people that understand yeridos ha doros, the greater the doom that faces a society.

[@benignuman]

Painful to listen to the halachic ignorance and lack of nuance on each side.

[@natans5323]

I also agree with him about unorthodox .. she’s a lib and represents what’s wrong with the community…stop being liberal! And stop being a victim! I agree that get refusers need to be forced to give get but physical force is a great option and also kick them out of community.. same with pedophiles.. being soft on ‘crime’ never works anywhere especially not in Judaism.

[@shlomoperlman3129]

Na she’s a joke she said parental alienation not a thing

[@Zwiqy45]

It’s scientifically not a thing. It’s pseudoscience

[@nunnyeh]

1:18:40 she really turned into a Walmart philosopher

[@shimonb7191]

she is for sure a conservative or a reform jew. and she doesn't know what she is talking about.

[@SDStellaD]

The intense fear of a strong minded/voiced woman is almost palpable with these guys.

[@gabriellanewman1912]

Also in the comments lol

[@ShuiHaber]

You guys should study the Get of Cleves controversy

[@eliezertendler7642]

Anyone else hear the guy in the cap say reb moshe learned shas more times then moshe rabeinu 😂😂😂😂 gemara was only made a while ago😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 clueless people

[@shlomocohen742]

I wish someone who’s holding in Halacha can just debate flatbush girl They are arguing on a topic they have no education on . I like label and his arguments

[@Rachel-mk4vd]

I find it funny how she is such an advocate against the man exposing himself (goes without saying I think it was not a good thing, but do agree that it’s funny) but if it were up to her she would have all kids go to pride parades where men go around naked all the time and offer kids books that are absolutely disgusting.

[@music2476]

Zack is very bored

[@Lorenzoselas]

Shocker, the one guy who hates his life, Torah & GD agreed with everything she said…🙄

[@theDiann]

You guys were wrong about the הדלקת נרות issue but you guys are right about everything else. Keep it up!

[@meirtt]

I don't think they were wrong. They meant there were differences in hadlakat nerot between men and women. That IS true

[@theDiann]

@@meirtt there is a חיוב on men to light if there are no women in the house

[@meirtt]

@@theDiann I am aware. But this does not negate my point that there is a difference between women and men in lighting candles. The fact that there is an obligation for women to light even if the man is there (and she would light in place of the man), is a difference.

[@theDiann]

True

[@shybar1661]

Let’s make it mandatory to sign a prenup and bypass this whole Aguna issue

[@cgotlb]

It's not that simple. To get a kosher gett it can NOT be forced. Unless got the thing she spoke about. And halachic prenups are not about the gett

[@letsgettserious]

or let's just do away with gett entirely

[@mac_7788]

I think this is the episode where they realized the dude with the cap has gotta go😂😂😂😂

[@davegorman2316]

Not really sure why y’all are debating topics you literally know almost NOTHING about

[@dills303]

"I'd rather not say". Sorry, when it comes to this type of pikuach nefesh one loses their right to privacy. You can't be matir an eishes ish and then hide behind anonymity

[@nunnyeh]

2:03:38 how did that change?

[@davidfischer1164]

Zack: we don't know if he has a donkey😂😂

[@YSPLP]

To summarize her opinion: Abusing kids, taking away their father, turning them into orphans - no big deal. Taking a woman’s freedom to remarry for few years - there is nothing worse.

[@chayap.199]

Hurting anyone isn't helpful. Hurting the kids and father or wife. She didn't say its not wrong she told him to be an advocate for men. She will advocate for women.

[@barniebabushka]

​@chayap.199 men and women can take care of themselves. The ones who need an advocate are the kids. Parental alienation is child abuse. And anyone reading this who thinks they would hand over a Get in a situation where their children's are being used as pawns, manipulated, and their lives quite literally hanging in the balance, are not being truly honest with themselves. Saying you'll only advocate for one side no matter the situation doesn't fix anything, it makes it worse. Nuance and reason is necessary as many of these cases are complex. The "believe all women" nonsense has seeped into our society and it's clearly not helpful. She says laibel should apologize because his words were insensitive to those with trauma. Saying she supports women who alienate their kids from their father because they're women and that's her passion and that alienation doesn't exist is a slap in the face to anyone who has ever been alienated (man or woman). Parental aienation is far more common than get refusal and is often at the root of it

[@teshuvahnow2839]

obviously you missed the fact that the men withholding gets are usually psycho and not able to take care of kids… duh

[@barniebabushka]

@@teshuvahnow2839 even men in prison get visitation with their kids. The fact that a dude has anger toward his ex and is doing something horrible towards her even in the most extreme examples does not make him necessarily a bad father, nor is it OK to deprive a child of their father under any circumstance

[@Jdubtheyid]

Get her help

[@jacobh1177]

So many of laibels points were totally moot, for example his argument about custody vs get; a get is only able to be handled by a beis din whereas custody is an issue of civil court. So if there is actual custody withholding where an unfair mother is taking advantage of a menschlach father he is able to go to civil court and get legal custody if he deserves it. So many example like this where the hill he wants to die on is a fucking joke

[@meirtt]

Yeah but the civil courts are biased against men regarding child custody

[@letsgettserious]

Custody is an issue of civil court? So you think halacha says nothing about custody?

[@jacobh1177]

@@letsgettserious 1: dina dmalchusa, 2: Halacha has preferences for custody but also takes into account the interest of the child. R soloveichik, ravad, and R Moshe Feinstein all have examples of civil court either superseding or ‘assisting’ Halacha

[@letsgettserious]

@@jacobh1177 Can you explain how dina dmalchusa plays into this? For example, which state says that it is illegal for the parents to agree on a parenting plan in a Bais Din or out of court?

[@jacobh1177]

@@letsgettserious you can read the teshuvos for yourself, but a basic example is stop signs & shechita prohibitions. You’re also welcome to hold by whatever you & your Rov are comfortable with

[@ShmirchikArt]

''The one who tried gave that he was forced to divorce his wife and she did not want to divorce. The court of Israel in every place and at every time prepares him until he says "I want" and the get is written and it is a kosher get. And yes, if they beat him and said to him, do what the Israelites tell you, and Israel pressed him with the hand of the Akhu until he expels it, after all it is kosher. And if the akku'' are of their own accord, they will be punished until it is written, and the law allows that it be written, after all, this is illegal. And why didn't this get canceled since it is a rape between the hand of Akku and the hand of Israel. that there is no rape except for the one who is pressured and forced to do something that he is not obligated by the Torah to do, such as the one who was beaten until he sold or until he gave. But the one who is struck will do the evil to cancel a mitzvah or commit a transgression and will be beaten until he does something that he must do or until he turns away from something that is forbidden to do in any other way He was raped by him, but he raped himself in his evil mind. On the other hand, it is that he does not want to be deported because he wants to be of Israel and he wants to do all the mitzvahs and to stay away from the transgressions A dove that was beaten until it was six and said, I want to, I have already banished his will. It was not the law giving that forced him to be banished and the court of Israel erred or that they were laymen and were untouchable until he was banished. And he will finish and be expelled. And if they do, we will force them to evict, which is not according to the law, it is not a divorce. according to what ive read, '' I haven't seen according to halacha where it speaks of a gett being used as leverage , for instance , if a man wants control over his kids, it actually says no where, that he is, or isn't allowed to refuse a get for these reasons, in fact, from what I read, the man must give a get and be forced to give one if he refuses, I think any man who refuses a get for whichever reasons, weather kids involved, or not, is an evil person, since what comes with marriage is sex, and it can technically be considered rape, since a woman cant be forced in to a marriage halachicly, so to a woman should not be held to a marriage which she doesnt want anymore, and force her to stay married, that is a level of perversion, their are so many arguments the rabbis can make to release a woman from this type of coercion, and Flatbush girl has a point, the rabbis need to get together and find a loophole to help these woman that I personally know, example ,where the men want money in exchange for a get, when in reality, that is extortion, and they know the woman cant pay, and the get refuser uses it as leverage to hold power over a woman, thats one of the reasons why I wouldn't get married halachically, its just laziness and no devotion to justice to these woman, on the part of the rabbis, I agree with Flatbush girl , where the rabbis need to sit together and review the torah , its about rabbis having unity, to create a fit for the times , where with the times ,and the abuse that comes with these changes of the times , where these get refusers take advantage of the times, because these days we cant beat a man until he wants to give a get, because of threat of the non jewish authoritys locking those who did the beatings up, so to find a fit and expand upon the halacha as other rabbis throughout history have done , like when rambam went to the communities where they rejected rabbinaccle authority and went strictly just with the written law, judaism can be expanded to fit with the times just like we adapted to using electricity on shabbos, and using it altogether, another point, why dont they invite a dayan in to the conversation, instead of a few yukols who dont know the law www.sefaria.org.il/Mishneh_Torah%2C_Divorce.2.20?lang=he&lookup=he%20one%20who%20tried%20gave%20that%20he%20was%20forced%20to%20divorce%20his%20wife%20and%20she%20did%20not%20want%20to%20divorce.%20The%20court%20of%20Israel%20in%20every%20place%20and%20at%20every%20time%20prepares%20him%20until%20he%20says%20%22I%20want%22%20and%20the%20get%20is%20written%20and%20it%20is%20a%20kosher%20get.%20And%20yes%2C%20if%20they%20beat%20him%20and%20said%20to%20him%2C%20do%20what%20the%20Israelites%20tell%20you%2C%20and%20Israel%20pressed%20him%20with%20the%20hand%20of%20the%20Akhu%20until%20he%20expels%20it%2C%20after%20all%20it%20is%20kosher.%20And%20if%20the%20akku%27%27%20are%20of%20their%20own%20accord%2C%20they%20will%20be%20punished%20until%20it%20is%20written%2C%20and%20the%20law%20allows%20that%20it%20be%20written%2C%20after%20all%2C%20this%20is%20illegal.%20And%20why%20didn%27t%20this%20get%20canceled%20since%20it%20is%20a%20rape%20between%20the%20hand%20of%20Akku%20and%20the%20hand%20of%20Israel.%20that%20there%20is%20no%20rape%20except%20for%20the%20one%20who%20is%20pressured%20and%20forced%20to%20do%20something%20that%20he%20is%20not%20obligated%20by%20the%20Torah%20to%20do%2C%20such%20as%20the%20one%20who%20was%20beaten%20until%20he%20sold%20or%20until%20he%20gave.%20But%20the%20one%20who%20is%20struck%20will%20do%20the%20evil%20to%20cancel%20a%20mitzvah%20or%20commit%20a%20transgression%20and%20will%20be%20beaten%20until%20he%20does%20something%20that%20he%20must%20do%20or%20until%20he%20turns%20away%20from%20something%20that%20is%20forbidden%20to%20do%20in%20any%20other%20way%20He%20was%20raped%20by%20him%2C%20but%20he%20raped%20himself%20in%20his%20evil%20mind.%20On%20the%20other%20hand%2C%20it%20is%20that%20he%20does%20not%20want%20to%20be%20deported%20because%20he%20wants%20to%20be%20of%20Israel%20and%20he%20wants%20to%20do%20all%20the%20mitzvahs%20and%20to%20stay%20away%20from%20the%20transgressions%20A%20dove%20that%20was%20beaten%20until%20it%20was%20six%20and%20said%2C%20I%20want%20to%2C%20I%20have%20already%20banished%20his%20will.%20It%20was%20not%20the%20law%20giving%20that%20forced%20him%20to%20be%20banished%20and%20the%20court%20of%20Israel%20erred%20or%20that%20they%20were%20laymen%20and%20were%20untouchable%20until%20he%20was%20banished.%20And%20he%20will%20finish%20and%20be%20expelled.%20And%20if%20they%20do%2C%20we%20will%20force%20them%20to%20evict%2C%20which%20is%20not%20according%20to%20the%20law%2C%20it%20is%20not%20a%20divorce.&with=Lexicon&lang2=he

[@mrsam-ff8ld]

Shmuli I’m not a פוסק or a דיין Zack It’s a good thing you’re telling us that if not, we wouldn’t know LAMO 😂