The next generation of capture... is a (good) MESS | Elgato 4K X & 4K Pro Review

[@EposVox]

NOTE: Elgato Capture JUST updated the day this review goes live to support direct 4K60 capture from 4K X and Facecam Pro. W00T!

[@iFaFo_0]

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[@ComradeCaylor]

But still in SDR for 4k60 capture via 4KX?

[@EposVox]

SDR, yes

[@EposVox]

No, as explained in the video, 4K 240FPS gets recorded in 1080p 240FPS @@ajaysourav

[@EposVox]

@@ajaysourav I mean, the Mk2 won't let you pass through 4K240 at all, so

[@1ronBangle]

dude the production in the editing of this video alone is amazing.

[@EposVox]

Thank you :)

[@MJ7productions]

Hold on.. 16:18 so it records 4K at 120Hz at MJPEG format only? Not NV12!

[@EposVox]

Yes. NV12 would be WAY too much bandwidth for USB lol. That being said, I showed comparisons; I'm not seeing ANY compression artifacts in it, and it's full range 4:4:4 so it's a compelling option

[@MJ7productions]

@@EposVox Yes! It's way too much for USB bandwidth that's why this should have been the PCIe version! I'm not a streamer I usually record my gameplay and edit it later, so were you able to import your recordings in Premiere Pro? Is there any issues with this format in editing? I was going to buy it, now I'm re-thinking about it 😅 especially that YT still does not support 120Hz!

[@MJ7productions]

@@EposVox also, what's the maximum bitrate that the Elgato 4K X can capture? Is there any picture improvement compared to Elgato 4K Pro Mk.2?

[@EposVox]

The recordings work as any other OBS recording, nothing about this card changes its compatibility. There is no "maximum bitrate" on any modern capture card. They send uncompressed images, so there's no quality to improve in that regard

[@MJ7productions]

@@EposVox I usually use Elgato 4K Software, I can adjust the bitrate to 140 mb/s using 4K Pro Mk.2. So I'm not familiar with OBS Studio. So what's the major downside in the different format if it's compatible? Is it color degrading?

[@JesterKenway]

This was exactly the video I needed to find. Thank you! Also I absolutely love your color grading and synthwave theme! A friendly correction at 2:53, 1080 60 was definitely not the standard in the early Xbox 360 days. I believe the first 1080 60 capture card was the Elgato HD60 and that thing released nearly a year after the Xbox One/ PS4 (I remember being so jealous of my friends as I was stuck with my 720p HD PVR lol). In the 360's early days, around 2006, we were all stuck using those big ass funny looking 480p CRT TVs and monitors xD. Ohh what a time it was!

[@EposVox]

I said 1080p60 was all you needed for those consoles, I also listed the PS4 with that :P I’ve been covering capture cards since the beginning, trust me I know lol

[@JesterKenway]

​@@EposVox I agree with you, but I think you misunderstood my comment. This has nothing to do with 1080p60 being all you needed for PS4, Xbox 360, Wii, etc. I was simply confused when at 2:53 you said that 1080p60 was standard capture during the Xbox 360's early days when we didn't even have 1080p60 capture cards let alone 1080p TVs at home during that time. That's all. I'm not doubting your expertise or anything, just a little confused.

[@EposVox]

@ “early days” refers to the early days of capture hardware (when those consoles were mainstream) when 1080p60 coming out was impressive, whereas it’s not now Notice I grouped the Xbox 360, PS4, and Switch together, as they are all 1080p outputting hardware, not specifically ever referring to just like… 2006-2009 lol

[@JesterKenway]

@@EposVox I see. I see. I appreciate the clarification my dude!

[@iFaFo_0]

Patiently waiting for what seemed like an eternity for something like the 4K X. Ordered mine as soon as it went live. Can't wait to try it out.

[@mylesbetter7115]

Omg I should have watched this video first. I just upgraded to the 240hz monitor and just bought the 4kpro when I should have got the 4kX nooooo. Dnt know what I was thinking as I always come to your page for information for my tech. Great video love the editing and information you give, thanks

[@tekmaniacstreams]

I don't know if you made the wrong decision. I have a 240hz monitor and if I want passthrough I need the 4K Pro. It sucks that it records at 1080p 240hz when it is passthrough 4k240hz but I can just upscale it to 4K60

[@Daxank]

I got the Elgato 4k X and have a had a lot of issues with it because my signal was technically "above" what the capture card could handle (it could still handle it with just a few hiccups here and there tho). Never before this video did I actually even think of just getting a splitter that simply downscales the signal in resolution! That's exactly what I needed to fix all my problems with this capture card! Since I don't stream in 4k 120 and just wanted to play in 4k 120 while capturing it.

[@funkyblackcat]

I got the 4k Pro, maybe I got the wrong card. I cannot put it to passthrough 4k120 and capture 4k60 in OBS which was my intended use. It's outputting only 1080p in the properties, I think that is what you meant in 5:40. Will the 4K X be able to output 4k60 in OBS while passing 4k120? I dont want to buy it wrong again 😭

[@EposVox]

4K Pro cannot do that, the 4K X can.

[@funkyblackcat]

@@EposVox I went blindly for the internal one, thinking it would always be better than the external 🤦‍♂Thanks for answering

[@crazylocha2515]

The themes, coloring, editing... Fantastic job. I totally cow farm mushroomed right back to my 80's teenage years and had to stop the video just to get a better look at the ambiance. Lots of effort and it shows. 👍☕🐢

[@EposVox]

Thank you :)

[@k_DEDb07]

upgrading from an elgato hd60s+ that has up until restricted passthrough to 4k60. the elgato 4K X will allow me to have 4k120 hdr passthrough and capture in 1440p60 hdr @£230 i think

[@EposVox]

It will!

[@k_DEDb07]

thank you for addressing my comment love your videos. have a great Feb😎

[@Drew_Koch]

The 5.1 audio capture is the more interesting news to me. I know it adds more bandwidth, but I really hope they can get that working with the 4K X at a lower resolution.

[@strajkz]

Thank you for including the latency to preview and to keep a historic data of it, many outright skip that part. For more casual games I use my HD 60 Pro without passthrough and play it on the 4K Capture Utility instead, couple more generations and we might have a capture card where you might be able to play without noticeable input lag on the Preview.

[@WAJU4]

Just Ordered the 4K X..Im coming from the HD 60 S+ AND im pretty sure this thing is gonna run way smoother and my streams are gonna run way better.Hopefully it ship fast

[@shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh]

3:45 it makes no sense to me why the hardware for the PCIe card wasn't upgraded, so with the 4K Pro i can passthrough 1440p240 HDR VRR but cannot record 1440p120 4:4:4 HDR VRR? but i can record 1440p120 4:4:4 HDR VRR with the lower priced USB version???? what is this nonsense??? I hate this :/

[@EposVox]

Scaling the HDMI 2.1 full-spec signals is a complete mess. I bought a $500 HDMI matrix/scaler that was supposed to do this kinda stuff too and wound up being unable to.

[@shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh]

@justpetettv DP is currently limited to PCs only so i get why nobody bothers to make a DP capture card, unless made to be sold at stupid prices there is no point in considering making them

[@EposVox]

@justpetettv higher manufacturing costs for drastically smaller market

[@nevinstyre]

Interesting how the 4K Pro didn't receive any upgrades to the capture hardware over the 4k60 pro m2 but the latency was nearly halved, any thoughts on why that is?

[@GrundleStiltSkin]

perhaps they could update the MK2 drivers, but won't, to sell new product

[@JohnAlzayat]

It sucks the PCIE card doesn't capture 4K120, but at leas we now have something reasonably priced that does it in the 4K X.

[@JonesTheLad]

Genuine question out of curiosity - why do you want to record in 120? As far as I’m aware, there isn’t any video platform that supports 120hz videos yet… so the only “benefit” I can see (at this current point in time) is to be able to watch your gameplay back in 120hz. But you can’t share it in 120hz anywhere, right?

[@Vaguenificent]

@@JonesTheLadremember also that the higher the fps the more buttery smooth the slo mo on clips gets

[@JonesTheLad]

@@Vaguenificent that’s true! I like that point!! Though that is a very niche use of the 120hz capability. I wish KZbin would hurry up (we all know they will one day) & add 120hz support. Phones can do 120hz, gaming consoles, tv’s, computers/laptops… we’re all just waiting to be able to watch AND share 120hz content. One day… one day. 🥲

[@GameFidelity]

I was so excited when these were announced, but to learn I'm not able to capture 4K60 HDR whilst playing at 4k120/144 HDR is mind-boggling. In my case, it can't do anything more than what I currently can, so I guess I'll stick with my 4K60S+ for now.

[@MINISTRYALLINEN]

I know it ain’t much, but it’s honest work LOL. This was so well explained and well made, thank you so much! I have a question, I have an M3 MacBook Pro, and would like to use it as a display for my Xbox Series X/PS5. Will the Elgato 4K X work and display the full resolution at the MacBook’s screen?

[@EposVox]

Thank you so much for the tip! Yes, you can fullscreen the preview in OBS or maybe Quicktime, though there is added latency compared to a native input on a TV/monitor.

[@MrLycan329]

At 2:31 you say don’t buy a capture card for a single pc capture or streaming set up. I currently am trying to start up my streaming at content an thought about buying the elgato 4K x so why would I not need the capture device if I’m using a single computer? I’m confused

[@EposVox]

You’d just use OBS to capture the computer you’re recording/streaming from. It has the tools to capture your screen without needing a device. Capture cards are only warranted for capturing secondary PCs or game consoles

[@MrLycan329]

@ I’m currently trying to capture ps5 gameplay so I was thinking about the 4K x or hd 60x but this video was definitely helpful and now I know you need it for a single pc set up. Remote play just isn’t useable for me personally the latency throws me way off

[@EposVox]

@ yeah “single PC” means you’re playing and capturing PC games on the PC itself. If you have a console, you want/need a capture card

[@philscomputerlab]

Amazing coverage and excited to have a decent USB 4 capture device finally!

[@The_0ne504]

This isn't even USB 4. Once USB 4 capture cards come out, we'll probably be looking at capturing 4K240 HDR 😁

[@RyanREAX]

I have the 4k pro mk2 pci capture card and 2 cam links but just ordered the 4K X to go along with it, thanks for the video

[@VetAwareProject]

I love that you always give a review that is in depth, simple, and to the point to help assist with any purchases or thoughts of purchases, keep it up my man!!

[@martef]

Great video! Did you try it with Vertical plugin? Going on TikTok or another stream? For some reason it creates an encoding overload

[@Alexandra-Rex]

Ok, so it seemed glorious at the beginning, but I can't capture 1440p 60 if I passthrough 1440p 240 Hz makes it pointless since I already have the 4K60 Pro MkII and capture at 1440p60/120.

[@JonesTheLad]

They can probably change this with a few software updates over time

[@Alexandra-Rex]

@@JonesTheLad I doubt it, since the 4K X can do it already.

[@curtishorn1267]

Thanks for the review. I"m looking to record at 1080p 240Hz, not for streaming, but just to record. The PC is a prebuilt HP Pavillion with a Ryzen 1700 cpu and an RX 550 and a 240 Hz 1080p monitor, ports are USB 3.1. We are simply recording the windows desktop which is showing some lab software and a video stream from a USB camera. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[@EposVox]

Is this just a single PC setup? If so, a capture card does not help you

[@kingjaries]

I haven't used a capture card since the Elgato HD 60 came out so I decided to get the 4k X. I'm using it for my ultrawide Samsung Neo G9 so we'll see how that goes. I also have my gaming laptop so I can use it for that whenever I'm traveling.

[@NeoDravidian]

Is the future 5.1 audio update truly limited to the 4k Pro? Other outlets are simply saying it's coming with no mention of model restrictions. I suppose it could be somewhat assumed due to usb bandwidth, but between video compression (which you've noted), resolution/framerate downscaling, and potential audio compressions it doesn't seem like an impossibility for the 4K X to me.

[@EposVox]

They are only looking into it for 4K Pro AFAIK yes. Likely a bandwidth issue.

[@SleeperJohns]

After when I upgrade my streaming system to something a bit more modern, the latest 4k60 Pro (I guess it would be considered Mk. III, don't know what happen to that bit in the naming scheme) is something I'm gonna get. Lower latency is always good.

[@NOOBandBRO]

Are we losing accurate color information with the mjpeg on the 4kx? It looked like in the comparison that it was darker. Can this be helped? 16:53

[@FishFPS]

The question is... Do I need a 4000 series GPU or is an Intel Arc good enough for a dedicated stream PC??

[@EposVox]

A750 or higher good for stream pc

[@FishFPS]

@@EposVox Thanks for the reply dude! If you have a moment, one other question: Will the A750 or higher do OK with a situation where I'm streaming and recording at the same time? btw, really appreciate all the time you put into this information.

[@EposVox]

Yep! It would do great

[@R4NIERI]

Great review as always. Thanks. And I think AVerMedia lost me... Elgato brought exactly what I wanted for an external card, even with the limitations that a USB capture card has. I just got frustrated with the internal card. Really, they could have gone further. But I've already decided which one I'm going to use now in my setup.

[@noenken]

Great video. Took a couple years but it finally seems to be happening. Proper 4K high fps capture on the one side, AV1 support on the platforms ... maybe another year or two and it might become the new normal. On the other hand one has to ask if all of it is even necessary. 8-10Mbit AV1 at 1080p in HDR would tick every box for me as a viewer and not blow up my connection. And I think that is true for at least everyone who is watching on a mobile device as well.

[@EposVox]

Well remember, just because you're streaming in 1080p doesn't mean you want to be limited to only playing in 1080p lol

[@noenken]

Totally valid. I just think that higher resolution (especially at high fps) doesn't really make a big difference on the viewer side. I watch 960p and sometimes 720p streams on twitch that are easily good enough for a second screen today. A bump to 1080 AV1 at anything over 8bit colors (fuck those muddy shadows) is gonna be enough for almost anyone. So I expect that to be the sweetspot for a long time. @@EposVox

[@chrismorozin4145]

I know this isn't the focus of this review, but how is the audio delay on either product? I ask that because I need to extract the audio without using these cheapo Amazon HDMI 2.1 Audio Extraction devices that never seem to last. It would be great to monitor that input in real time and ditch the cheap hardware. Maybe there is better purpose-driven hardware I'm missing. Using VRR on consoles with a PC monitor that has no dedicated audio out is a mess!

[@EposVox]

Covered in the latency section; though you want to use Windows listen as (in my experience) OBS audio monitoring adds even more delay

[@joshuau.]

Great and helpful in depth video!!! Appreciate the video!

[@Stodeh]

If you use passthrough, is there ANY added latency to the gaming PC?

[@EposVox]

No

[@gryski]

If you wanted, could you use the 4k x to record on a single pc. I want to buy it for my current xbox series x but plan to get a pc in the future. Would I be able to use it for that pc instead of needing to buy a recording software?

[@EposVox]

You dont need to buy recording software. OBS is free. You COULD use it to record your PC, but it would provide you nothing of value over using OBS and would be a waste of money

[@gryski]

@@EposVox Oh okay, thank you!

[@myew]

11:14 I've yet to find any latency benchmarks on the new Shadowcast 2 Pro to OBS preview. Anyone know the answer?

[@EposVox]

I’ll be reviewing it soon

[@Nerdshowandtell]

So no multi-app with the USB 4k X only 4K Pro? It's not easy living for new tech.. Great video as usual!

[@AJCoReTV]

First off, amazing color grade, colors looking sweet!! Question….What encoder option settings did you use on your Mac ultra? For my M1 Pro Mac, it only plays back smoothly when using ProRes encoder, but then a 1 min clip is 7GB! All other Mac encoders give me overload error, & laggy playback. What gives?

[@EposVox]

HEVC and ProRes!

[@AJCoReTV]

@@EposVoxthx! HEVC def doesn’t work on slower M1Pro Macs. Looks like M1 Max/ultra chips & up can handle it. Thx for confirming 🎉

[@EposVox]

Super odd since iPhone/iPad can do it

[@AJCoReTV]

@@EposVox yup, I’ve completed my testing today. 4K60 “streaming”: Only works with x264 with ‘extremely fast’ preset (anything slower leads to overload). For 4k60 “recording”: Only works with ProRes. This combo also works at same time, surprisingly. (ProRes Proxy has smallest file size @ about 8gb per every 3min.) official current OBS.

[@EposVox]

@@AJCoReTV I feel like there has to be something else funky here; I was able to do 4K60 HEVC recording on my base 8GB M1 Mac Mini I used to have. I was able to hit encoder lag sometimes (still can on the M2 Ultra) but I was still able to do it o_O I can't remember if I tested it w/ gameplay (since we didn't have 4K60 USB cards then) but I recorded a year's worth of tutorials etc., even higher than 4K since I was doing 4K30 cam and 3440x1440p60 screen at the same time.

[@WR3XKA]

Nice video man. I was waiting for this video

[@tekmaniacstreams]

Damn was hoping the 4k pro would allow 4k60 while passthrough 4k 240.

[@tekmaniacstreams]

Also the only reason I don't want the 4k x is because I do use two instances of OBS.

[@LunchTimeYT]

Hi there! I'm using a 4K Pro to capture PS5 (I want to game in 4K but stream & record at 1080p) but my colors look super washed out, regardless of HDR on or off. Any help would be appreciated, thanks!

[@notmanz4275]

make sure you have the supported pcie slots, and the right hdmi cords. Other then that i don't know could be a hardware problem or a software issue

[@r3miix]

if i used the 4kPro on a single PC setup to stream (hdmi from GFXCard to "in" and "out" to single monitor) will it cap the monitor to only display at 4k with 60hz? or can i see 144hz but the capture only be 60hz? or does the 4k X allow both to be 120hz? tl;dr - is 8:40 recorded on a single PC? and was it playing at 100hz

[@EposVox]

Capture cards provide no value or utility to a single PC setup and would be a waste of your money

[@GordianZ]

Great review, love the new transitions!

[@tek_soup]

i bought both, needed newer hdmi spec devices. great review/info!

[@gster109]

5:52 the fact that it cannot record in 4k60 from a 4k120hz feed makes the avermedia the clear winner. I was worried for a sec I got the GC553g2 over this lol. (EDIT: lol nvm saw your comment) But I am still having handshake issues with the PS5 to the OLED :( (Edit 2: I just saw the end of the video where you talk about ALLM, is that really not supported on the GC553G2?!, could that be the reason why I am having handshake issues since that is enabled??) Where does it say that this capture card supports that feature while the Avermedia one doesn't ?? I feel scammed knowing that wow... Thanks in advance & awesome editing in this video. THUMBS UP!

[@EposVox]

AVerMedia is not "the clear winner" wut? Their PCIe card is literally their USB card on a PCIe carrier card. If you're going to get a USB card anyway, get the 4K X which can do more capture specs than the AVerMedia, at HALF the latency....

[@gster109]

Yes I edited my comment because I saw your pinned comment. Could you please clear up my other question in regards to how you know that ALLM is not supported on the Avermedia 4k120hz card ? Could that be the reason that I am having those "Invalid signal & random drop outs on this card?! I would be so upset if thats the case.. I didn't even think that it would be a drawback since it seems like such a basic feature that OLED owners take advantage of...@@EposVox

[@Bigshot0910]

Wonderful video! Excellent advice. I do have a question though. I’m getting the 4K Pro because I think HDR will be more important and prevalent as ours TVs and monitors continue to improve. How do I ensure my PS5 and LG G2 are limited to 4K60 so I can do full resolution HDR recording? I’m fine streaming 1080p, because 4K streaming is still…impractical, at best. But I want to ensure I can make full quality VODs.

[@EposVox]

PS5 settings - Screen - 120hz, just set it to off

[@Bigshot0910]

@@EposVox thank you!

[@vesnl]

Love how detailed this is.

[@Symba_Lysm]

You always surprise me with different editing styles and presentation when it comes down to these. Well, what feel like "Passion Projects" as such. P.S You always the first person I know is going to make the most informative and educational video and about capture cards and encoding. Rock on and solid work.

[@ukaszl3197]

Can this capture cards support wierd 16:10 rsolutions, like for example 2880x1800 - pass trought ?

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

Getting a 4K X. I've been waiting for a decent USB capture card for 4K, let alone 4K at 60 FPS. Used the link, I support supporting good creators.

[@EposVox]

Thank you!!

[@itskahlil91]

For someone who lives in Canada thank you for adding the Canadian price. got a follow from me!

[@SquaresToOvals]

11:12 You forgot to put your NZXT latency specs in the list, as they should be up around the 34-36 ms range, right?

[@MichaelW.1980]

From a nerdy technical side the new cards are great to know, but from a painfree use side of things, the HD60X will be part of my rig for the foreseeable future. PCIe cards are messy not by themselves, but from the PC side of things, as any really usable PCIe ports are connected to the mainboard chip and not to the CPU, limiting the overall bandwidth to whatever is available on the connection between the chip and CPU. And that's a nightbare, since MANY parts in and around the PC are part of that party, including some M2 SSD connections, the ethernet, wifi and bluetooth connections, onboard sound and many usb ports as well. And the latter will keep me from going 4K on a usb card as well. Until I upgrade my PC, I will not stream in AV1 as well, so even in theory, HDR is out of the question here. Many things, I don't need to think about for now. Oh, one thing thats really nice to have on the HD60X: It gives me a seperate audio input for Windows. Do the new 4K X and 4K Pro have this feature as well? Because that - to me is even more crucial to consider.

[@kayjaylin]

Does this mean that I can capture 4k30p 10-bit 422, slog 3 footage from my Sony cameras into OBS onto the capture card, and color grade it in premiere? I've wanted to consider 10 bit capture recording from the 4k hdmi capture card from blackmagic because it does 10-bit, but was waiting to see if competitors would do something about it. Curious what this new gen of elgatos can do.

[@EposVox]

Not exactly. 4K30 can do 4:2:2 YUY2, 4:2:0 NV12, or 4:2:0 P010 (10-bit) So you can do 10-bit OR 4:2:2 OBS doesn't even have a 4:2:2 10-bit format it supports anyway

[@AmunRa_Gaming]

You deserve more recognition man, keep doing your thing

[@BorisRecalde]

Way better than what AverMedia recently released. Will have to wait until they patch in LCPM 5.1 audio passthrough (at a minimum) before I consider buying a 4k Pro though.

[@denzwthelens]

I applaud the effort you put into these videos, thanks for all the info!

[@ryantrimble4192]

Great video! Quick question - for the 4K X, do I need to use the USB 3.2 C-to-C cable or can I use a USB C-to-A cable similar to the HD60 X? Just asking as I have limited USB C inputs on my motherboard.

[@vincentvega3093]

USB-A will limit you to 5Gbps. Your motherboard port must be 10Gbps and up.

[@ryantrimble4192]

thank you!!@@vincentvega3093

[@Drew_Koch]

The port on your motherboard needs to support 10Gbps. So USB 3.2 Gen 2. It can be A or C.

[@EposVox]

Yeah USB A isn't inherently limited to 5, I even showed 10gbps A ports in the video. Just need to get a 10gbps capable cable and make sure you have a 10gbps type A port.

[@evanlong1070]

Good to see this supporting UW (3440x1440) monitors, even if Elgato hasn’t officially announced that yet. Has anyone been able to get SUW (5120x1440) working yet?

[@ynotssb6922]

just wondering if you have any thoughts about the ShadowCast 2 Pro, cant seem to find many videos about that card

[@gster109]

What reason do you have to believe that the Avermedia HDMI 2.1 card doesn't suppory ALLM while this one does? In the PS5 settings it says that if VRR is on, then ALLM is automatically turned on as well?

[@WeirdSnake]

Nice review!

[@motionblurgamer]

Can't it help single stream computers if I need to connect a camera with HDMI out? Even cameras that support webcam mode usually only does that in 1080p.

[@EposVox]

Well yes, but that’s for *outside sources*. A camera is still an outside source lol

[@vincentvega3093]

So i am passing through to a 165Hz 1440 monitor (hdmi limited to 144) on a 4K 60 Pro II. I don't use the HDR400 (which is not hdr) either. I see no need to upgrade at all.

[@NateWolfKira]

Would you be willing to review the TUF GAMING CAPTURE BOX-4KPRO? I'd be interested in your thoughts on it. I've been using it for a while. It works really well. At first it did have an issue with audio buzzing, which was fixed via firmware update. Other than that, the only remaining concern is the automatic firmware update in their software doesn't work, however I was able to successfully apply the update manually. Let me know your thoughts.

[@shinobeFire]

how would any of you capture a 1080p 360hz monitor for a 1080p60 livestream?

[@justjake8095]

One thing I'm glad I did was buy a upscaler to use my hd60 with my PS5, hopefully one day I could afford something better since I think my HD60 is dying after years of use.

[@Actually_Hack]

Love the editing

[@ericlan5365]

I am so confuised I want to get a pcie HDMI 2.1 cap card but not sure what to get I got the avermedia but do you think I should return it and get the elgato pcie HDMI 2.1 cap card I am on a xbxo series x

[@EposVox]

*Why* do you specifically want a PCIe one? The AVerMedia one is literally just the USB one slapped on a PCIe card, and with Elgato the USB is better.

[@ericlan5365]

@@EposVox I would be okay with getting a USB one as well was just trying to minimize the number of cables I was going to have on my desk the motherboard i am going to be using is a ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme(WiFi 6E) CPU is a 7950x and gpou is a 4090

[@ericlan5365]

@@EposVox When I went through the elgato help me choose it said to get the PCIe cap card

[@MatsuXL]

Damn wish I knew you had an affiliate link sooner! I would have bought it through there instead.

[@EposVox]

DURN IT haha

[@MJ7productions]

I wanted to buy it though the affiliate link but unfortunately Elgato does not ship anywhere else the USA. I'll have to buy it through Amazon when it becomes available.

[@TonyTurbo78]

YeH gutted to. I'm guessing Amazon goes live tomorrow?

[@jamesramirez9122]

I have the 4K pro and a chat link pro, how come when I plug in the chat link pro to my ps5 controller my stream loses game audio but gains party chat audio so my stream can hear my friends, I would like to have my stream hear my game and my friends

[@seethruhead7119]

apparently only shows up as 5gb on macos tested with my mac 16 pro intel and heard the same about apple silicon

[@EposVox]

Yes but all the formats are still available. Seems to just be a reporting error.

[@상윤아]

I know it's a rude question, but the comparison is so hard to make, so I'm commenting. Would buying the GC575 be a much better choice in the end? I thought it would be hard to notice the difference between 30ms and 60ms, although the Inputlag is definitely higher at 60ms.

[@EposVox]

Why would that be better? It’s the worst of the HDMI 2.1 options lol. Would be better off with the USB options from either AVerMedia or Elgato

[@kaiton3141]

I have no clue if i should upgrade to the 4K X since i got my 4k 60 Pro not even a week ago. I mainly use it to capture my PS5 so 4k 60fps is kinda more than enough for most of the games but since the 4K X has a similar pricetag to what i paid for the 4k 60 Pro i'm wondering if i shouldn't just refund the 4k 60 Pro and go with the 4K X to technically get more value for my bucks to be prepared for the future

[@EposVox]

Get dat upgrade

[@eirik1068]

Do it!

[@RudeCanine]

Great editing, love the VHS/crt vibe. What plugin did you use? It doesn’t look like red giant at all

[@EposVox]

I *plugged in* a composite video cable into a CRT TV

[@mirrorking2]

Awesome review, benchmarking latency is great! but it would be nice to know what settings you benched, if you do mjpg on the 4kx the latency skyrockets for obvious reasons. Now for a rant, its really disappointing neither card can do 4k120 capture without chroma subsampling, and the 4kx cant even do 4k60 without dropping to 4:2:0, they should have gone 20gbit usb as the hardware can clearly handle it and its just a bandwidth issue. we had 4k60 since 2017 with the magewell cards. I was hoping for something more in 2024, yes the passthrough stuff is neat but not a fan of the mjpg encoding for professional use. now we have 2 semi budget cards, both good but not great. will we see an actual upgrade capture pcie card soon? 4k pro super? in the meanwhile stuck with the aging magewell 4k plus

[@nirantali]

After Avermedia disappointed me with the Live Gamer 2.1, I really wanted the Elgato 4k Pro because at the time it was sais Elgato won't mess it up... Unfortunately they did, because the PCIe card can't even record 4kVRR60HDR, let alone 4kVRR120HDR, so no reason to buy an Elgato 4k Pro anymore. Well, maybe in a few years someone will be able to make a real HDMI 2.1 PCIe capture card, until then I'll be playing in 4kVRR120HDR but can only record 1080p120HDR. So the only real new thing is that the Capture cards now are able to record FRL and VRR inputs, that's all, because the resolutions supported were already supported by the 5+ year old cards.

[@chrishammers8723]

And I had just bought the avermedia. Time to return.

[@CetraAudio]

Says on the Elgato Website that you can do 4k240 Passthrough with 4k60 Capture on the 4K Pro, this get updated since the video or something?

[@EposVox]

That’s just saying 60fps is the max it can capture in 4k, not that you can capture 4k60 from 4k240, that hasn’t changed

[@CetraAudio]

@@EposVox Jesus christ why is it so confusing.

[@EposVox]

@@CetraAudio The table I show in the video (which is also on their support page, annoyingly not on the normal product page - help.elgato.com/hc/en-us/articles/23479165158029-Elgato-Game-Capture-4K-Pro-Supported-Resolutions-and-Frame-Rates ) makes it pretty clear

[@AntAskew]

Thanks for the review. Updating my PC soon and only ‘view’ the content on pass through rather than in OBS and I think I’m gonna see if the price drops on the 4k60 pro mk2

[@BMXaster]

Why does HDMI suck so badly? And why oh why isn't there any DisplayPort Capture Card?

[@MikeDVB]

I cannot seem to find anywhere on Elgato's site [in the documentation, in the tech specs] where it says 4K 120 and 4K 144 require MJPEG. I'm wanting to play 4K 144hz and capture at 4K 60 which it does show is possible - but it's not clear if this is MJPEG, NV12, or something else? What I'm really after is being able to play 4K 144hz, capture at 4K 60 in RGB 4:4:4. I just bought a 4K 60 Pro Mk.2 ~20 days ago so I'm still within the return period. The 4K X looks like the ticket - but without being able to figure out MJPEG vs NV12 and full RGB 4:4:4 - it's hard to make a decision.

[@EposVox]

4k60 on 4k X is NV12. Only the 120/144 are MJPEG Playing in 4k144 and capturing in 4k60 RGB isn’t possible with any card atm

[@MikeDVB]

@@EposVox Ok, so I would probably still want to do mirroring on my gaming rig and send 4k60 RGB to the capture card and 4k120 to my display and not use pass-through. I wonder if the pass-through on the 4K X works if it has power [ but the computer is off ]. If so ... I can have my mobo supply power when my streaming rig is off and use this with my PS5 so I can still play the PS5 if I'm not streaming without the streaming rig on...... Hmmm ;).

[@EposVox]

Yeah that will depend on your mobo. Most keep usb stuff powered, but not guaranteed for every one. Sometimes there’s a bios setting

[@MikeDVB]

This one definitely has the option, so that'll be nice. No option to keep PCI-Express powered though! @@EposVox

[@coderkind]

Apologies for the follow-up question (and I appreciate it may be difficult to say), but is the 4K X currently THE external capture device to get for retro and modern captures? I know there's been recent competitors from Genki and AverMedia. Not sure if it's in the video, but the weird refresh rates of certain retro consoles... does the 4K X deal with these? I haven't a RetroTink 4K yet, but I know there was a triple-buffering mode in the 5X to help with this. The original OSSC would potentially present it with more problems in how it line-doubles.

[@piQmi]

I picked up an Elgato 4K X. But I have a question, I just want to capture my PS5 game that is connected to my 4K television to my PC, but my PC is far from the television, so I need a 5 meter cable to get from the television to the PC . Will I lose any kind of quality because it is a longer cable? And which cable should I buy? A type C to type C? Or a type C to type A? (the latter is the standard that comes with the Elgato 4K X) Can anyone help me please?

[@EposVox]

C to A or C to C doesn’t matter as long as it’s a 10gbps rated cable (and port you plug into) You won’t lose quality, a digital signal is either on or off

[@piQmi]

@@EposVox Fantastic, my motherboard is the ROG STRIX B650-A GAMING WIFI so I think it has 10Gbps ports and up to 20Gbps, so I think I'm safe. Now I just need to decide which type of cable, but as you said, it won't matter. Thanks for your quick response ❤

[@리프로-y7v]

Are the latency test results of obs for 1080p?

[@Narutosxnpai]

‪Guys my elgato 4k x won’t connect to my monitor. Yes I change the resolution to match on my ps5 and my Mac book pro 2018 and yes I download the uility thing to change my thing from merged to display, and yes I changed different hdmi cords and yes I changed the resolution on obs. ‬and elgato I changed to 1920x1080 and my monitor is asus rog 2018 something ,, someone helpppp

[@FabianBlack2k]

thanks, it seems clear now that i may go for the "4K X" since im mostly worried for having that good quality on videos, as for streaming on twitch, i can just use my old HD60 PRO i guess (which is not important atm) im mostly focusing on youtube and i want those 4k playthrus to be good, what ya think?

[@Rezzered]

Great quality video as always Adam! Is there any information about the experience on having the new 4K 240hz monitors that have DSC compression... how well that will work together with the passthrough and capturing?

[@EposVox]

Covered in 4K Pro specs section. Won't work with 4K X. Can't really tell you "how well" it will work until I have one

[@Rezzered]

@@EposVox Apologies, missed that! thanks for info!

[@HappyBackgammon-gn3yo]

Can I use the 4k pro as a substitute of a camlink for a 4k 60fps webcam?

[@АртёмСабадырь]

I love how 4K60 Pro Mk.2 can handle literally ANY resolution it has bandwidth for! YUAN also has Linux drivers for it... but Elgato doesn't care. I have that YUAN 8K60 card. And it's a pain. It requires 8 lanes of PCIe which are very hard to get. My MB supports 8+4+4(NVMe) bifurcation so 2nd slot is only 4x. All modern AMD chipsets can do is also 4x PCIe. You ether need ThreadRipper CPU with much more lanes, a rare MB that can do 8+8 and sacrifice 8 lanes of your GPU slot or capture 8K30 max.

[@travisdouglas5510]

Someone recommended your channel on another channel Comment section . The video was talking about using a capture card on the iPad Pro to use as a travel screen for consoles. Do you know a good card for playing ps5 on iPad?

[@Vicious302]

I am returning my 4k Pro because I wanted to capture 4k HDR while passing through. I did the Elgato suggestion and it says if I have a Ps5 playing HDR at 120hz that it can record in 4k 30 HDR which would be fine for me. But your spreadsheet says that if I have a 4k 120 HDR input I won't be able to?? Who's wrong?

[@EposVox]

I keep going through their capture card selector and I cannot replicate this. It chooses 4K Pro if you choose windows desktop, but it doesn’t claim you can capture 4k30 HDR from 4k120

[@EposVox]

Also Elgato has the exact table I showed posted here: help.elgato.com/hc/en-us/articles/23479165158029-Elgato-Game-Capture-4K-Pro-Supported-Resolutions-and-Frame-Rates

[@CherniXStyle]

hi. Tell me, maybe you know. I capture 4k 60 with sony fx30 before that I did it comlink 4k now I bought elgato 4k x and when capturing 4k x there was a lot of noise not even in the shadows? what could this be related to?

[@Aldranis]

I have some Windows BSOD issues with the current Elgato 4K60 Pro Mk.II. Seemingly it'll happen at random. With the new PCI-E card, did it use a new driver package or the same ones? I'm almost tempted to upgrade to fix these random system crashes, and yes I've worked with Elgato's support for over a month, and still getting the crashes after driver upgrades, downgrades, you name it.

[@sagi9407]

By any chance your 4K60 Pro MK2 is experiencing BSOD due to: DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL error: SYMBOL_NAME: SC0710_X64+264ec6 MODULE_NAME: SC0710_X64 IMAGE_NAME: SC0710.X64.SYS STACK_COMMAND: .cxr; .ecxr ; kb BUCKET_ID_FUNC_OFFSET: 264ec6 FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: AV_SC0710_X64!unknown_function OSPLATFORM_TYPE: x64 OSNAME: Windows 10 FAILURE_ID_HASH: {8c8cdb1b-a17d-eadd-623d-c40d05e49c5d}

[@sagi9407]

I've tried current, older, beta drivers suggested by Elgato tech support for over 2 months. Nothing has helped. The SC0710.X64.SYS error is asinine.

[@Aldranis]

@@sagi9407yes, that’s exactly what happens. The older driver they had me downgrade to has made the BSOD less frequent, but it will still happen on occasion.

[@Aldranis]

So I received my 4K Pro and installed it about an hour ago. I can confirm that it does use a different driver package. Latest as of 2/4/2024 is version: 1.1.0.202 from 12/8/2023. So far no SC0710_X64 BSOD's, but I'll monitor it over the next month and will respond if I get one.

[@sagi9407]

👍 nice, keep us posted!

[@KallyNui]

Can the Elgato 4K X capture 4K30 at 4:4:4 RGB? Sorry if I missed it!

[@EposVox]

4K30 can do 4:2:2 YUY2, 4:2:0 NV12, or 4:2:0 P010 (10-bit)

[@abrahamherrera5926]

wait so will the 4kpro be able to pass through the party chat audio from my xbox to the stream?

[@playeronthebeat]

What's most disgrunteling me is the fact that Linux is not always fully supported. Especially from the PCIe cards :/ Would wish that companies would at least open their drivers or work better together with OBS so that Linux users can at least run them to their full potential without too much headaches :/

[@meugameplay4k]

Any news about color range on these new cards or its the same as before? Just watched your video about full vs partial color range..

[@EposVox]

I’m not sure I understand the question. The video about full vs partial is a static concept, there’s not going to be any news about it.

[@meugameplay4k]

@@EposVox in that video you said that some capture cards can handle full color range, with chroma subsampling 4:4:4, and that was not the case of Elgato 4K60 Pro..

[@EposVox]

@@meugameplay4k all cards can handle limited/full color ranges. For chroma subsampling, yes, I discuss that in the specs section of this video lol

[@MembTV_]

Hello man, thanks for the great job you do, im a streamer and i stream with dual PC, been watching the video but i still dont know if is worth to get one of the new cards, i always want to improve my stream as much as possible, so would love to know if it would improve my stream the 4k Pro, when i already have the 4k60 PRO, when my main monitor is 1440p 144hz, thanks in advance for your answer. Keep going strong.