The next generation of capture... is a (good) MESS | Elgato 4K X & 4K Pro Review

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It's finally here! ‪@elgato‬ has dropped TWO HDMI 2.1 capture cards today: The PCIe 4K Pro and USB 3.2 Gen 2 4K X! Both of these can pass through 4K 120Hz and 4K 144Hz for next-gen consoles and displays, but understanding their limitations and benefits is not an easy task. Here's my Elgato 4K X review and Elgato 4K Pro review, plus Elgato 4K X vs 4K Pro battle.
NOTE: Elgato Capture JUST updated the day this review goes live to support direct 4K60 capture from 4K X and Facecam Pro. W00T!
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TIMECODES:
00:00 What a mess
01:13 My recommendation
01:53 What is a capture card and why do you need one?
03:23 Elgato 4K Pro Review
03:44 Elgato 4K Pro SPECS
04:36 My disappointment
06:15 Why the 4K Pro is like this
06:48 Sick documentation from Elgato
07:14 HDR on 4K Pro
08:34 Ultrawide on 4K Pro
09:38 iPad Capture on 4K Pro
09:48 Steam Deck Capture on 4K Pro
10:28 Multi-App
10:41 Retro compatibility for 4K Pro
11:05 INPUT LATENCY RECORD SETTING
11:31 Linux?
11:42 tl;dr on Elgato 4K Pro - Worth it?
12:24 Do both of us a favor
12:54 Elgato 4K X review
13:22 Understanding 10gbps USB
14:21 3.5mm input & Chat Link Pro thoughts...
15:55 Elgato 4K X SPECS
18:30 Ultrawide on 4K X
19:11 Capturing iPad with 4K X
19:24 Retro compatibility for 4K X
19:47 INPUT LATENCY MADNESS
20:05 Capturing 4K X with iPad Pro!
20:19 Mac support for 4K X
20:52 Linux?
21:58 tl;dr on Elgato 4K X - Worth it?
23:08 5.1 Surround Sound Coming!
23:18 ALLM Passthrough
23:53 Elgato USB & HDMI cables set a precedent
24:10 CONCLUSION - What should you buy?
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[@EposVox]

NOTE: Elgato Capture JUST updated the day this review goes live to support direct 4K60 capture from 4K X and Facecam Pro. W00T!

[@iFaFo_0]

🙌

[@ComradeCaylor]

But still in SDR for 4k60 capture via 4KX?

[@EposVox]

SDR, yes

[@EposVox]

No, as explained in the video, 4K 240FPS gets recorded in 1080p 240FPS @@ajaysourav

[@EposVox]

@@ajaysourav I mean, the Mk2 won't let you pass through 4K240 at all, so

[@1ronBangle]

dude the production in the editing of this video alone is amazing.

[@EposVox]

Thank you :)

[@crazylocha2515]

The themes, coloring, editing... Fantastic job. I totally cow farm mushroomed right back to my 80's teenage years and had to stop the video just to get a better look at the ambiance. Lots of effort and it shows. 👍☕🐢

[@EposVox]

Thank you :)

[@martef]

Great video! Did you try it with Vertical plugin? Going on TikTok or another stream? For some reason it creates an encoding overload

[@iFaFo_0]

Patiently waiting for what seemed like an eternity for something like the 4K X. Ordered mine as soon as it went live. Can't wait to try it out.

[@RyanREAX]

I have the 4k pro mk2 pci capture card and 2 cam links but just ordered the 4K X to go along with it, thanks for the video

[@JustCruzOn]

I love that you always give a review that is in depth, simple, and to the point to help assist with any purchases or thoughts of purchases, keep it up my man!!

[@joshuau.]

Great and helpful in depth video!!! Appreciate the video!

[@funkyblackcat]

I got the 4k Pro, maybe I got the wrong card. I cannot put it to passthrough 4k120 and capture 4k60 in OBS which was my intended use. It's outputting only 1080p in the properties, I think that is what you meant in 5:40. Will the 4K X be able to output 4k60 in OBS while passing 4k120? I dont want to buy it wrong again 😭

[@EposVox]

4K Pro cannot do that, the 4K X can.

[@funkyblackcat]

@@EposVox I went blindly for the internal one, thinking it would always be better than the external 🤦‍♂Thanks for answering

[@Stodeh]

If you use passthrough, is there ANY added latency to the gaming PC?

[@EposVox]

No

[@WR3XKA]

Nice video man. I was waiting for this video

[@GordianZ]

Great review, love the new transitions!

[@LunchTimeYT]

Hi there! I'm using a 4K Pro to capture PS5 (I want to game in 4K but stream & record at 1080p) but my colors look super washed out, regardless of HDR on or off. Any help would be appreciated, thanks!

[@notmanz4275]

make sure you have the supported pcie slots, and the right hdmi cords. Other then that i don't know could be a hardware problem or a software issue

[@FatherTimeHS]

I absolutely love your content and we all appreciate your hard work.

[@EposVox]

Thank you!

[@philscomputerlab]

Amazing coverage and excited to have a decent USB 4 capture device finally!

[@AlbertStewart]

This isn't even USB 4. Once USB 4 capture cards come out, we'll probably be looking at capturing 4K240 HDR 😁

[@mylesbetter7115]

Omg I should have watched this video first. I just upgraded to the 240hz monitor and just bought the 4kpro when I should have got the 4kX nooooo. Dnt know what I was thinking as I always come to your page for information for my tech. Great video love the editing and information you give, thanks

[@tekmaniacstreams]

I don't know if you made the wrong decision. I have a 240hz monitor and if I want passthrough I need the 4K Pro. It sucks that it records at 1080p 240hz when it is passthrough 4k240hz but I can just upscale it to 4K60

[@AntAskew]

Thanks for the review. Updating my PC soon and only ‘view’ the content on pass through rather than in OBS and I think I’m gonna see if the price drops on the 4k60 pro mk2

[@Actually_Hack]

Love the editing

[@denzwthelens]

I applaud the effort you put into these videos, thanks for all the info!

[@tek_soup]

i bought both, needed newer hdmi spec devices. great review/info!

[@OneAverageDan]

love the review!

[@MembTV_]

Hello man, thanks for the great job you do, im a streamer and i stream with dual PC, been watching the video but i still dont know if is worth to get one of the new cards, i always want to improve my stream as much as possible, so would love to know if it would improve my stream the 4k Pro, when i already have the 4k60 PRO, when my main monitor is 1440p 144hz, thanks in advance for your answer. Keep going strong.

[@RudeCanine]

Great editing, love the VHS/crt vibe. What plugin did you use? It doesn’t look like red giant at all

[@EposVox]

I *plugged in* a composite video cable into a CRT TV

[@Drew_Koch]

The 5.1 audio capture is the more interesting news to me. I know it adds more bandwidth, but I really hope they can get that working with the 4K X at a lower resolution.

[@BenjaminBjurstrom]

Thanks for the review! Is 4k limited to 4:2:0 on the 4k X?

[@KyleCrossGaming]

Great review, picked it up today. Do you happen to notice posterization/color banding in passthrough when using 4k 120hz HDR? It seems to happen with a 422 chroma signal, which the PS5 outputs with that combo. I don't get the posterization with a direct connection.

[@Symba_Lysm]

You always surprise me with different editing styles and presentation when it comes down to these. Well, what feel like "Passion Projects" as such. P.S You always the first person I know is going to make the most informative and educational video and about capture cards and encoding. Rock on and solid work.

[@strajkz]

Thank you for including the latency to preview and to keep a historic data of it, many outright skip that part. For more casual games I use my HD 60 Pro without passthrough and play it on the 4K Capture Utility instead, couple more generations and we might have a capture card where you might be able to play without noticeable input lag on the Preview.

[@WAJU4]

Just Ordered the 4K X..Im coming from the HD 60 S+ AND im pretty sure this thing is gonna run way smoother and my streams are gonna run way better.Hopefully it ship fast

[@Samhain__UK]

Great review. Can you confirm whether or not HDR capture is possible on macOS?

[@Nerdshowandtell]

So no multi-app with the USB 4k X only 4K Pro? It's not easy living for new tech.. Great video as usual!

[@JCM_0]

Thanks for the overview! Do you know if a 165hz monitor would work through passthrough 1440p or does the card lock at 144hz or 240hz?

[@ERP_Klim]

Hey there! I can't seem to get a working 4K 120 recording from my PS5 with 4K X. I did get 4K 120 file eventually, but only in 7mbit bitrate and very laggy, using OBS. I got 4090 and 14900k, so my hardware shouldn't be an issue.

[@kahlilh513]

For someone who lives in Canada thank you for adding the Canadian price. got a follow from me!

[@Rezzered]

Great quality video as always Adam! Is there any information about the experience on having the new 4K 240hz monitors that have DSC compression... how well that will work together with the passthrough and capturing?

[@EposVox]

Covered in 4K Pro specs section. Won't work with 4K X. Can't really tell you "how well" it will work until I have one

[@Rezzered]

@@EposVox Apologies, missed that! thanks for info!

[@fabianblack8177]

thanks, it seems clear now that i may go for the "4K X" since im mostly worried for having that good quality on videos, as for streaming on twitch, i can just use my old HD60 PRO i guess (which is not important atm) im mostly focusing on youtube and i want those 4k playthrus to be good, what ya think?

[@AmunRa_Racing]

You deserve more recognition man, keep doing your thing

[@AlohaRG]

Hey, great video! Do you have any advice on how to fix screen flicker with 4K X ? My TV screen goes black for a couple of seconds, but not in OBS or the capture utility. I've been trying to fix that for almost a week now. 😒

[@JEAANOO]

I love your videos and how in depth they go. So I currently have the 4K60 Pro with a 3070 RTX, 32 GB of Ram and a Ryzen 7 3700X. I use my capture card to record PS5 gameplay with the 4K Utility Software from ElGato and I use OBS to record my webcam ( I do it like this so I can have full control of my webcam when editing, since I edit/export at 1440p 60FPS). Would you recommend me getting one of these capture cards to upgrade mine or should I just really stay with mine? I definitely want to eventually upgrade the GPU and CPU in the near future.

[@EposVox]

I mean, if you want to play in 4k120, yes get 4K X. If you’re happy with your setup now, don’t waste money

[@kingjaries]

I haven't used a capture card since the Elgato HD 60 came out so I decided to get the 4k X. I'm using it for my ultrawide Samsung Neo G9 so we'll see how that goes. I also have my gaming laptop so I can use it for that whenever I'm traveling.

[@ValiantReaper]

Great review. I can't wait to order a 4K X.

[@Daxank]

I got the Elgato 4k X and have a had a lot of issues with it because my signal was technically "above" what the capture card could handle (it could still handle it with just a few hiccups here and there tho). Never before this video did I actually even think of just getting a splitter that simply downscales the signal in resolution! That's exactly what I needed to fix all my problems with this capture card! Since I don't stream in 4k 120 and just wanted to play in 4k 120 while capturing it.

[@R4NIERI]

Great review as always. Thanks. And I think AVerMedia lost me... Elgato brought exactly what I wanted for an external card, even with the limitations that a USB capture card has. I just got frustrated with the internal card. Really, they could have gone further. But I've already decided which one I'm going to use now in my setup.

[@JaydenPixelsTV]

I got a question about scaling resolutions. Can I (or rather should I) record in 4k120 to 1440p 60fps xrgb and scale that footage back to 4k in a editing software? I have a retrotink 4k and I want to make sure that the video is clean. Btw big fan of your setup and capture card videos.

[@ynotssb6922]

just wondering if you have any thoughts about the ShadowCast 2 Pro, cant seem to find many videos about that card

[@coderkind]

Apologies for the follow-up question (and I appreciate it may be difficult to say), but is the 4K X currently THE external capture device to get for retro and modern captures? I know there's been recent competitors from Genki and AverMedia. Not sure if it's in the video, but the weird refresh rates of certain retro consoles... does the 4K X deal with these? I haven't a RetroTink 4K yet, but I know there was a triple-buffering mode in the 5X to help with this. The original OSSC would potentially present it with more problems in how it line-doubles.

[@NateWolfKira]

Would you be willing to review the TUF GAMING CAPTURE BOX-4KPRO? I'd be interested in your thoughts on it. I've been using it for a while. It works really well. At first it did have an issue with audio buzzing, which was fixed via firmware update. Other than that, the only remaining concern is the automatic firmware update in their software doesn't work, however I was able to successfully apply the update manually. Let me know your thoughts.

[@MJ7productions]

Hold on.. 16:18 so it records 4K at 120Hz at MJPEG format only? Not NV12!

[@EposVox]

Yes. NV12 would be WAY too much bandwidth for USB lol. That being said, I showed comparisons; I'm not seeing ANY compression artifacts in it, and it's full range 4:4:4 so it's a compelling option

[@MJ7productions]

@@EposVox Yes! It's way too much for USB bandwidth that's why this should have been the PCIe version! I'm not a streamer I usually record my gameplay and edit it later, so were you able to import your recordings in Premiere Pro? Is there any issues with this format in editing? I was going to buy it, now I'm re-thinking about it 😅 especially that YT still does not support 120Hz!

[@MJ7productions]

@@EposVox also, what's the maximum bitrate that the Elgato 4K X can capture? Is there any picture improvement compared to Elgato 4K Pro Mk.2?

[@EposVox]

The recordings work as any other OBS recording, nothing about this card changes its compatibility. There is no "maximum bitrate" on any modern capture card. They send uncompressed images, so there's no quality to improve in that regard

[@MJ7productions]

@@EposVox I usually use Elgato 4K Software, I can adjust the bitrate to 140 mb/s using 4K Pro Mk.2. So I'm not familiar with OBS Studio. So what's the major downside in the different format if it's compatible? Is it color degrading?

[@FrankieJPlays]

So which one do you recommend 4k pro or the new avermedia? I currently use live gamer 4k internal

[@EposVox]

Neither. I’d recommend the 4K X Either of the PCIe options would be a downgrade unless you NEED 8k or 4k240 passthrough

[@FrankieJPlays]

@@EposVox thank you

[@EposVox]

@@ajaysourav You cannot record 4K 240FPS, no.

[@curtishorn1267]

Thanks for the review. I"m looking to record at 1080p 240Hz, not for streaming, but just to record. The PC is a prebuilt HP Pavillion with a Ryzen 1700 cpu and an RX 550 and a 240 Hz 1080p monitor, ports are USB 3.1. We are simply recording the windows desktop which is showing some lab software and a video stream from a USB camera. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[@EposVox]

Is this just a single PC setup? If so, a capture card does not help you

[@KaiserVonGrauer]

I've got a Dell Alienware AW3225QF which apparently has DSC always on. I'd like to use 4k240 passthrough and capture at 1080p60. The documentation for the 4k Pro says, "4K Pro does not support the capture of video signals utilizing Display Stream Compression (DSC)." is this true? Will it not work at all?

[@gster109]

What reason do you have to believe that the Avermedia HDMI 2.1 card doesn't suppory ALLM while this one does? In the PS5 settings it says that if VRR is on, then ALLM is automatically turned on as well?

[@NOOBandBRO]

Are we losing accurate color information with the mjpeg on the 4kx? It looked like in the comparison that it was darker. Can this be helped? 16:53

[@Thebest82014]

U should review the Roland Bridge Cast X

[@Bigshot0910]

Wonderful video! Excellent advice. I do have a question though. I’m getting the 4K Pro because I think HDR will be more important and prevalent as ours TVs and monitors continue to improve. How do I ensure my PS5 and LG G2 are limited to 4K60 so I can do full resolution HDR recording? I’m fine streaming 1080p, because 4K streaming is still…impractical, at best. But I want to ensure I can make full quality VODs.

[@EposVox]

PS5 settings - Screen - 120hz, just set it to off

[@Bigshot0910]

@@EposVox thank you!

[@1UpBebop]

I have a Linux box I'll be using for capture. Any updates in Linux performance 5 months later? Still weird USB issues/odd formats or all sorted out?

[@noenken]

Great video. Took a couple years but it finally seems to be happening. Proper 4K high fps capture on the one side, AV1 support on the platforms ... maybe another year or two and it might become the new normal. On the other hand one has to ask if all of it is even necessary. 8-10Mbit AV1 at 1080p in HDR would tick every box for me as a viewer and not blow up my connection. And I think that is true for at least everyone who is watching on a mobile device as well.

[@EposVox]

Well remember, just because you're streaming in 1080p doesn't mean you want to be limited to only playing in 1080p lol

[@noenken]

Totally valid. I just think that higher resolution (especially at high fps) doesn't really make a big difference on the viewer side. I watch 960p and sometimes 720p streams on twitch that are easily good enough for a second screen today. A bump to 1080 AV1 at anything over 8bit colors (fuck those muddy shadows) is gonna be enough for almost anyone. So I expect that to be the sweetspot for a long time. @@EposVox

[@paulink]

I own a 4k pro mk2 and was considering this downscaler you linked, but AFAIK it does not support downscaling VRR, so its not worth it. Might as well suck it up and get the new 4k pro

[@SleeperJohns]

After when I upgrade my streaming system to something a bit more modern, the latest 4k60 Pro (I guess it would be considered Mk. III, don't know what happen to that bit in the naming scheme) is something I'm gonna get. Lower latency is always good.

[@vittoots5049]

Good video ! Is the codec AV1 compatible with this card ? And what the maximum bitrate recording ?

[@EposVox]

These send uncompressed video to your PC, there is no maximum bitrate. AV1 encoding requires support from your PC - RTX 40 series or newer Nvidia, Intel Arc, or AMD RX 7000 series GPUs. Which capture card you use does not affect which encoder you choose in OBS.

[@helix8847]

For the Latency is that at 1080p or 4k 120hz? I would love for a card that could be 2-1 Frame Difference.

[@chrishammers8723]

And I had just bought the avermedia. Time to return.

[@fearless_tr]

Hey man, can we change sharpness settings in video config ,4k x ?

[@ukaszl3197]

Can this capture cards support wierd 16:10 rsolutions, like for example 2880x1800 - pass trought ?

[@TyPlaysHD]

as a mac user are you finding that you can run 4k60 or 4k120 sdr on a M series mac? wanna pick one up asap but cant find anything to state it will

[@EposVox]

Yep, I have a whole Mac section for 4K X and was testing on M2 Mac Studio

[@shadyarmik]

Doesn’t seem to capture Series X content if Dolby Vision is enabled. Is this the case or am I missing something?

[@eisra3625]

I'm curious if the ezcoo 2.1 can downscaling 4K 120hz HDR signal to a 1080p HDR signal

[@SquaresToOvals]

11:12 You forgot to put your NZXT latency specs in the list, as they should be up around the 34-36 ms range, right?

[@specter116]

Question, what pc mother board do you recommend, it looks like my pc will need to be revamped..

[@GameFidelity]

I was so excited when these were announced, but to learn I'm not able to capture 4K60 HDR whilst playing at 4k120/144 HDR is mind-boggling. In my case, it can't do anything more than what I currently can, so I guess I'll stick with my 4K60S+ for now.

[@eisra3625]

im using the 4k 60 and playing via passthrough in HDR. I saw that the passtrough gives me HDR yuv422 at 4k 60hz becuase of the 2.0 HDMI. shoud I get the 4k pro for a HDR FULL RGB passtrough? do i miss a real HDR exp with HRD yuv422? the thing is, i dont need 120hz... its worth it for a HDR RGB passtrough? is there actually a difference betwenn HDR RGB and yuv422 HDR? on PC I geht HDR RGB but 8 bit with dithering and not 10 bit because of HDMI 2.0 is that enough? al lot of questions..

[@zsalvati]

Hey great video! Quick question, will the 4k x work on Mac m2 chips? Thanks

[@EposVox]

Yep

[@nevinstyre]

Interesting how the 4K Pro didn't receive any upgrades to the capture hardware over the 4k60 pro m2 but the latency was nearly halved, any thoughts on why that is?

[@GrundleStiltSkin]

perhaps they could update the MK2 drivers, but won't, to sell new product

[@ToriksLV]

Is the definitive guide updated as newer OBS versions come out or its not necessary for a long time?

[@EposVox]

I swap out videos as needed for updates, otherwise adding a new chapter for broad OBS updates that don't change the core content

[@BasagliaNunes]

I know it ain’t much, but it’s honest work LOL. This was so well explained and well made, thank you so much! I have a question, I have an M3 MacBook Pro, and would like to use it as a display for my Xbox Series X/PS5. Will the Elgato 4K X work and display the full resolution at the MacBook’s screen?

[@EposVox]

Thank you so much for the tip! Yes, you can fullscreen the preview in OBS or maybe Quicktime, though there is added latency compared to a native input on a TV/monitor.

[@recklessXRP]

So do we still need the Elgato Chatlink/Pro in conjunction with an HDMI Audio Extractor for gameplay audio with the 4K Pro while using a wireless headset with consoles?

[@EposVox]

Won't work for that

[@shinobeFire]

how would any of you capture a 1080p 360hz monitor for a 1080p60 livestream?

[@JNellyBoi]

So what's this MJPeg codec, I've never heard of it and it looks like it's the only way that i can record in 4k 120

[@tebroni187]

So how do i use this mjpg codec and where? to record 4k 60 with 5Gbps usb-c on my older laptop? Thanks

[@dekuscrubbyfan888]

Hi, I followed the extra steps for audio for game capture for macOS within OBS - but there's still no audio being captured. Just video. Please help!

[@foundoasis7342]

U should review the genki shadow cast pro 2 its really good from what ive heard

[@EposVox]

It’s on my list!

[@foundoasis7342]

@@EposVox nice looking Foward to it

[@BorisRecalde]

Way better than what AverMedia recently released. Will have to wait until they patch in LCPM 5.1 audio passthrough (at a minimum) before I consider buying a 4k Pro though.

[@NeoDravidian]

Is the future 5.1 audio update truly limited to the 4k Pro? Other outlets are simply saying it's coming with no mention of model restrictions. I suppose it could be somewhat assumed due to usb bandwidth, but between video compression (which you've noted), resolution/framerate downscaling, and potential audio compressions it doesn't seem like an impossibility for the 4K X to me.

[@EposVox]

They are only looking into it for 4K Pro AFAIK yes. Likely a bandwidth issue.

[@darksamus8]

This card capture card will be good with the Nintendo switch?

[@FallenKiid]

Amazing explanation but I think my streamer x fits my needs as of now. just one question tho, what mic did you use while recording this video?

[@EposVox]

On-camera bits with MKH-416 (other than the iPad section), voiceover with Lewitt LCT 1040

[@FallenKiid]

@@EposVox thank you so much. Going to look into the 416, Tom buck says he uses the mkh 50 and his voice sounds good as well. Decisions decisions.

[@EposVox]

The 50 is good

[@JohnAlzayat]

It sucks the PCIE card doesn't capture 4K120, but at leas we now have something reasonably priced that does it in the 4K X.

[@JonesTheLad]

Genuine question out of curiosity - why do you want to record in 120? As far as I’m aware, there isn’t any video platform that supports 120hz videos yet… so the only “benefit” I can see (at this current point in time) is to be able to watch your gameplay back in 120hz. But you can’t share it in 120hz anywhere, right?

[@Vaguenificent]

@@JonesTheLadremember also that the higher the fps the more buttery smooth the slo mo on clips gets

[@JonesTheLad]

@@Vaguenificent that’s true! I like that point!! Though that is a very niche use of the 120hz capability. I wish KZbin would hurry up (we all know they will one day) & add 120hz support. Phones can do 120hz, gaming consoles, tv’s, computers/laptops… we’re all just waiting to be able to watch AND share 120hz content. One day… one day. 🥲

[@r3miix]

if i used the 4kPro on a single PC setup to stream (hdmi from GFXCard to "in" and "out" to single monitor) will it cap the monitor to only display at 4k with 60hz? or can i see 144hz but the capture only be 60hz? or does the 4k X allow both to be 120hz? tl;dr - is 8:40 recorded on a single PC? and was it playing at 100hz

[@EposVox]

Capture cards provide no value or utility to a single PC setup and would be a waste of your money

[@AJCoReTV]

First off, amazing color grade, colors looking sweet!! Question….What encoder option settings did you use on your Mac ultra? For my M1 Pro Mac, it only plays back smoothly when using ProRes encoder, but then a 1 min clip is 7GB! All other Mac encoders give me overload error, & laggy playback. What gives?

[@EposVox]

HEVC and ProRes!

[@AJCoReTV]

@@EposVoxthx! HEVC def doesn’t work on slower M1Pro Macs. Looks like M1 Max/ultra chips & up can handle it. Thx for confirming 🎉

[@EposVox]

Super odd since iPhone/iPad can do it

[@AJCoReTV]

@@EposVox yup, I’ve completed my testing today. 4K60 “streaming”: Only works with x264 with ‘extremely fast’ preset (anything slower leads to overload). For 4k60 “recording”: Only works with ProRes. This combo also works at same time, surprisingly. (ProRes Proxy has smallest file size @ about 8gb per every 3min.) official current OBS.

[@EposVox]

@@AJCoReTV I feel like there has to be something else funky here; I was able to do 4K60 HEVC recording on my base 8GB M1 Mac Mini I used to have. I was able to hit encoder lag sometimes (still can on the M2 Ultra) but I was still able to do it o_O I can't remember if I tested it w/ gameplay (since we didn't have 4K60 USB cards then) but I recorded a year's worth of tutorials etc., even higher than 4K since I was doing 4K30 cam and 3440x1440p60 screen at the same time.

[@ryantrimble4192]

Great video! Quick question - for the 4K X, do I need to use the USB 3.2 C-to-C cable or can I use a USB C-to-A cable similar to the HD60 X? Just asking as I have limited USB C inputs on my motherboard.

[@vincentvega3093]

USB-A will limit you to 5Gbps. Your motherboard port must be 10Gbps and up.

[@ryantrimble4192]

thank you!!@@vincentvega3093

[@Drew_Koch]

The port on your motherboard needs to support 10Gbps. So USB 3.2 Gen 2. It can be A or C.

[@EposVox]

Yeah USB A isn't inherently limited to 5, I even showed 10gbps A ports in the video. Just need to get a 10gbps capable cable and make sure you have a 10gbps type A port.

[@meugameplay4k]

Any news about color range on these new cards or its the same as before? Just watched your video about full vs partial color range..

[@EposVox]

I’m not sure I understand the question. The video about full vs partial is a static concept, there’s not going to be any news about it.

[@meugameplay4k]

@@EposVox in that video you said that some capture cards can handle full color range, with chroma subsampling 4:4:4, and that was not the case of Elgato 4K60 Pro..

[@EposVox]

@@meugameplay4k all cards can handle limited/full color ranges. For chroma subsampling, yes, I discuss that in the specs section of this video lol

[@vincentvega3093]

So i am passing through to a 165Hz 1440 monitor (hdmi limited to 144) on a 4K 60 Pro II. I don't use the HDR400 (which is not hdr) either. I see no need to upgrade at all.

[@snowwsquire]

Finally and ACTUAL hdmi2.1 card

[@kayjaylin]

Does this mean that I can capture 4k30p 10-bit 422, slog 3 footage from my Sony cameras into OBS onto the capture card, and color grade it in premiere? I've wanted to consider 10 bit capture recording from the 4k hdmi capture card from blackmagic because it does 10-bit, but was waiting to see if competitors would do something about it. Curious what this new gen of elgatos can do.

[@EposVox]

Not exactly. 4K30 can do 4:2:2 YUY2, 4:2:0 NV12, or 4:2:0 P010 (10-bit) So you can do 10-bit OR 4:2:2 OBS doesn't even have a 4:2:2 10-bit format it supports anyway

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

Getting a 4K X. I've been waiting for a decent USB capture card for 4K, let alone 4K at 60 FPS. Used the link, I support supporting good creators.

[@EposVox]

Thank you!!

[@jimhall1131]

How would you game at 1440/360 or 1440/480 and stream at 1080/60?

[@jamesrodriguez8899]

Though im happy with my 4k60 mk2 that I snagged for 180 USD, I'm excited to see what elgato has to offer with these new capture cards!

[@primo8825]

looks like we are gonna have to wait for another generation to be able to stream proper ultrawide. Thanks for the review!

[@EposVox]

I don’t think so, just gotta wait in Elgato to get the EDIDs sorted and driver updated

[@primo8825]

oh right, thanks so much clarifying that! I thought because the capture hardware was the same no more could be done. I will soon up upgrading my 100hz ultrawide to one of the new 240hz ones so I can't wait for a product that can handle with it! Tired of using geforce experience!

[@evanlong1070]

Good to see this supporting UW (3440x1440) monitors, even if Elgato hasn’t officially announced that yet. Has anyone been able to get SUW (5120x1440) working yet?

[@tekmaniacstreams]

Damn was hoping the 4k pro would allow 4k60 while passthrough 4k 240.

[@tekmaniacstreams]

Also the only reason I don't want the 4k x is because I do use two instances of OBS.

[@user-up8pl8ds2t]

I know it's a rude question, but the comparison is so hard to make, so I'm commenting. Would buying the GC575 be a much better choice in the end? I thought it would be hard to notice the difference between 30ms and 60ms, although the Inputlag is definitely higher at 60ms.

[@EposVox]

Why would that be better? It’s the worst of the HDMI 2.1 options lol. Would be better off with the USB options from either AVerMedia or Elgato