The next generation of capture... is a (good) MESS | Elgato 4K X & 4K Pro Review

[@EposVox]

NOTE: Elgato Capture JUST updated the day this review goes live to support direct 4K60 capture from 4K X and Facecam Pro. W00T!

[@iFaFo_0]

🙌

[@ComradeCaylor]

But still in SDR for 4k60 capture via 4KX?

[@EposVox]

SDR, yes

[@EposVox]

No, as explained in the video, 4K 240FPS gets recorded in 1080p 240FPS @@ajaysourav

[@EposVox]

@@ajaysourav I mean, the Mk2 won't let you pass through 4K240 at all, so

[@1ronBangle]

dude the production in the editing of this video alone is amazing.

[@EposVox]

Thank you :)

[@JesterKenway]

This was exactly the video I needed to find. Thank you! Also I absolutely love your color grading and synthwave theme! A friendly correction at 2:53, 1080 60 was definitely not the standard in the early Xbox 360 days. I believe the first 1080 60 capture card was the Elgato HD60 and that thing released nearly a year after the Xbox One/ PS4 (I remember being so jealous of my friends as I was stuck with my 720p HD PVR lol). In the 360's early days, around 2006, we were all stuck using those big ass funny looking 480p CRT TVs and monitors xD. Ohh what a time it was!

[@EposVox]

I said 1080p60 was all you needed for those consoles, I also listed the PS4 with that :P I’ve been covering capture cards since the beginning, trust me I know lol

[@JesterKenway]

​@@EposVox I agree with you, but I think you misunderstood my comment. This has nothing to do with 1080p60 being all you needed for PS4, Xbox 360, Wii, etc. I was simply confused when at 2:53 you said that 1080p60 was standard capture during the Xbox 360's early days when we didn't even have 1080p60 capture cards let alone 1080p TVs at home during that time. That's all. I'm not doubting your expertise or anything, just a little confused.

[@EposVox]

@ “early days” refers to the early days of capture hardware (when those consoles were mainstream) when 1080p60 coming out was impressive, whereas it’s not now Notice I grouped the Xbox 360, PS4, and Switch together, as they are all 1080p outputting hardware, not specifically ever referring to just like… 2006-2009 lol

[@JesterKenway]

@@EposVox I see. I see. I appreciate the clarification my dude!

[@crazylocha2515]

The themes, coloring, editing... Fantastic job. I totally cow farm mushroomed right back to my 80's teenage years and had to stop the video just to get a better look at the ambiance. Lots of effort and it shows. 👍☕🐢

[@EposVox]

Thank you :)

[@iFaFo_0]

Patiently waiting for what seemed like an eternity for something like the 4K X. Ordered mine as soon as it went live. Can't wait to try it out.

[@funkyblackcat]

I got the 4k Pro, maybe I got the wrong card. I cannot put it to passthrough 4k120 and capture 4k60 in OBS which was my intended use. It's outputting only 1080p in the properties, I think that is what you meant in 5:40. Will the 4K X be able to output 4k60 in OBS while passing 4k120? I dont want to buy it wrong again 😭

[@EposVox]

4K Pro cannot do that, the 4K X can.

[@funkyblackcat]

@@EposVox I went blindly for the internal one, thinking it would always be better than the external 🤦‍♂Thanks for answering

[@Drew_Koch]

The 5.1 audio capture is the more interesting news to me. I know it adds more bandwidth, but I really hope they can get that working with the 4K X at a lower resolution.

[@mylesbetter7115]

Omg I should have watched this video first. I just upgraded to the 240hz monitor and just bought the 4kpro when I should have got the 4kX nooooo. Dnt know what I was thinking as I always come to your page for information for my tech. Great video love the editing and information you give, thanks

[@tekmaniacstreams]

I don't know if you made the wrong decision. I have a 240hz monitor and if I want passthrough I need the 4K Pro. It sucks that it records at 1080p 240hz when it is passthrough 4k240hz but I can just upscale it to 4K60

[@Daxank]

I got the Elgato 4k X and have a had a lot of issues with it because my signal was technically "above" what the capture card could handle (it could still handle it with just a few hiccups here and there tho). Never before this video did I actually even think of just getting a splitter that simply downscales the signal in resolution! That's exactly what I needed to fix all my problems with this capture card! Since I don't stream in 4k 120 and just wanted to play in 4k 120 while capturing it.

[@GameFidelity]

I was so excited when these were announced, but to learn I'm not able to capture 4K60 HDR whilst playing at 4k120/144 HDR is mind-boggling. In my case, it can't do anything more than what I currently can, so I guess I'll stick with my 4K60S+ for now.

[@martef]

Great video! Did you try it with Vertical plugin? Going on TikTok or another stream? For some reason it creates an encoding overload

[@MembTV_]

Hello man, thanks for the great job you do, im a streamer and i stream with dual PC, been watching the video but i still dont know if is worth to get one of the new cards, i always want to improve my stream as much as possible, so would love to know if it would improve my stream the 4k Pro, when i already have the 4k60 PRO, when my main monitor is 1440p 144hz, thanks in advance for your answer. Keep going strong.

[@mirrorking2]

Awesome review, benchmarking latency is great! but it would be nice to know what settings you benched, if you do mjpg on the 4kx the latency skyrockets for obvious reasons. Now for a rant, its really disappointing neither card can do 4k120 capture without chroma subsampling, and the 4kx cant even do 4k60 without dropping to 4:2:0, they should have gone 20gbit usb as the hardware can clearly handle it and its just a bandwidth issue. we had 4k60 since 2017 with the magewell cards. I was hoping for something more in 2024, yes the passthrough stuff is neat but not a fan of the mjpg encoding for professional use. now we have 2 semi budget cards, both good but not great. will we see an actual upgrade capture pcie card soon? 4k pro super? in the meanwhile stuck with the aging magewell 4k plus

[@WAJU4]

Just Ordered the 4K X..Im coming from the HD 60 S+ AND im pretty sure this thing is gonna run way smoother and my streams are gonna run way better.Hopefully it ship fast

[@AJCoReTV]

First off, amazing color grade, colors looking sweet!! Question….What encoder option settings did you use on your Mac ultra? For my M1 Pro Mac, it only plays back smoothly when using ProRes encoder, but then a 1 min clip is 7GB! All other Mac encoders give me overload error, & laggy playback. What gives?

[@EposVox]

HEVC and ProRes!

[@AJCoReTV]

@@EposVoxthx! HEVC def doesn’t work on slower M1Pro Macs. Looks like M1 Max/ultra chips & up can handle it. Thx for confirming 🎉

[@EposVox]

Super odd since iPhone/iPad can do it

[@AJCoReTV]

@@EposVox yup, I’ve completed my testing today. 4K60 “streaming”: Only works with x264 with ‘extremely fast’ preset (anything slower leads to overload). For 4k60 “recording”: Only works with ProRes. This combo also works at same time, surprisingly. (ProRes Proxy has smallest file size @ about 8gb per every 3min.) official current OBS.

[@EposVox]

@@AJCoReTV I feel like there has to be something else funky here; I was able to do 4K60 HEVC recording on my base 8GB M1 Mac Mini I used to have. I was able to hit encoder lag sometimes (still can on the M2 Ultra) but I was still able to do it o_O I can't remember if I tested it w/ gameplay (since we didn't have 4K60 USB cards then) but I recorded a year's worth of tutorials etc., even higher than 4K since I was doing 4K30 cam and 3440x1440p60 screen at the same time.

[@nevinstyre]

Interesting how the 4K Pro didn't receive any upgrades to the capture hardware over the 4k60 pro m2 but the latency was nearly halved, any thoughts on why that is?

[@GrundleStiltSkin]

perhaps they could update the MK2 drivers, but won't, to sell new product

[@JohnAlzayat]

It sucks the PCIE card doesn't capture 4K120, but at leas we now have something reasonably priced that does it in the 4K X.

[@JonesTheLad]

Genuine question out of curiosity - why do you want to record in 120? As far as I’m aware, there isn’t any video platform that supports 120hz videos yet… so the only “benefit” I can see (at this current point in time) is to be able to watch your gameplay back in 120hz. But you can’t share it in 120hz anywhere, right?

[@Vaguenificent]

@@JonesTheLadremember also that the higher the fps the more buttery smooth the slo mo on clips gets

[@JonesTheLad]

@@Vaguenificent that’s true! I like that point!! Though that is a very niche use of the 120hz capability. I wish KZbin would hurry up (we all know they will one day) & add 120hz support. Phones can do 120hz, gaming consoles, tv’s, computers/laptops… we’re all just waiting to be able to watch AND share 120hz content. One day… one day. 🥲

[@Nerdshowandtell]

So no multi-app with the USB 4k X only 4K Pro? It's not easy living for new tech.. Great video as usual!

[@RyanREAX]

I have the 4k pro mk2 pci capture card and 2 cam links but just ordered the 4K X to go along with it, thanks for the video

[@1UpBebop]

I have a Linux box I'll be using for capture. Any updates in Linux performance 5 months later? Still weird USB issues/odd formats or all sorted out?

[@LunchTimeYT]

Hi there! I'm using a 4K Pro to capture PS5 (I want to game in 4K but stream & record at 1080p) but my colors look super washed out, regardless of HDR on or off. Any help would be appreciated, thanks!

[@notmanz4275]

make sure you have the supported pcie slots, and the right hdmi cords. Other then that i don't know could be a hardware problem or a software issue

[@philscomputerlab]

Amazing coverage and excited to have a decent USB 4 capture device finally!

[@The_0ne504]

This isn't even USB 4. Once USB 4 capture cards come out, we'll probably be looking at capturing 4K240 HDR 😁

[@Bigshot0910]

Wonderful video! Excellent advice. I do have a question though. I’m getting the 4K Pro because I think HDR will be more important and prevalent as ours TVs and monitors continue to improve. How do I ensure my PS5 and LG G2 are limited to 4K60 so I can do full resolution HDR recording? I’m fine streaming 1080p, because 4K streaming is still…impractical, at best. But I want to ensure I can make full quality VODs.

[@EposVox]

PS5 settings - Screen - 120hz, just set it to off

[@Bigshot0910]

@@EposVox thank you!

[@FabianBlack2k]

thanks, it seems clear now that i may go for the "4K X" since im mostly worried for having that good quality on videos, as for streaming on twitch, i can just use my old HD60 PRO i guess (which is not important atm) im mostly focusing on youtube and i want those 4k playthrus to be good, what ya think?

[@travisdouglas5510]

Someone recommended your channel on another channel Comment section . The video was talking about using a capture card on the iPad Pro to use as a travel screen for consoles. Do you know a good card for playing ps5 on iPad?

[@MJ7productions]

Hold on.. 16:18 so it records 4K at 120Hz at MJPEG format only? Not NV12!

[@EposVox]

Yes. NV12 would be WAY too much bandwidth for USB lol. That being said, I showed comparisons; I'm not seeing ANY compression artifacts in it, and it's full range 4:4:4 so it's a compelling option

[@MJ7productions]

@@EposVox Yes! It's way too much for USB bandwidth that's why this should have been the PCIe version! I'm not a streamer I usually record my gameplay and edit it later, so were you able to import your recordings in Premiere Pro? Is there any issues with this format in editing? I was going to buy it, now I'm re-thinking about it 😅 especially that YT still does not support 120Hz!

[@MJ7productions]

@@EposVox also, what's the maximum bitrate that the Elgato 4K X can capture? Is there any picture improvement compared to Elgato 4K Pro Mk.2?

[@EposVox]

The recordings work as any other OBS recording, nothing about this card changes its compatibility. There is no "maximum bitrate" on any modern capture card. They send uncompressed images, so there's no quality to improve in that regard

[@MJ7productions]

@@EposVox I usually use Elgato 4K Software, I can adjust the bitrate to 140 mb/s using 4K Pro Mk.2. So I'm not familiar with OBS Studio. So what's the major downside in the different format if it's compatible? Is it color degrading?

[@strajkz]

Thank you for including the latency to preview and to keep a historic data of it, many outright skip that part. For more casual games I use my HD 60 Pro without passthrough and play it on the 4K Capture Utility instead, couple more generations and we might have a capture card where you might be able to play without noticeable input lag on the Preview.

[@R4NIERI]

Great review as always. Thanks. And I think AVerMedia lost me... Elgato brought exactly what I wanted for an external card, even with the limitations that a USB capture card has. I just got frustrated with the internal card. Really, they could have gone further. But I've already decided which one I'm going to use now in my setup.

[@VetAwareProject]

I love that you always give a review that is in depth, simple, and to the point to help assist with any purchases or thoughts of purchases, keep it up my man!!

[@coderkind]

Apologies for the follow-up question (and I appreciate it may be difficult to say), but is the 4K X currently THE external capture device to get for retro and modern captures? I know there's been recent competitors from Genki and AverMedia. Not sure if it's in the video, but the weird refresh rates of certain retro consoles... does the 4K X deal with these? I haven't a RetroTink 4K yet, but I know there was a triple-buffering mode in the 5X to help with this. The original OSSC would potentially present it with more problems in how it line-doubles.

[@NeoDravidian]

Is the future 5.1 audio update truly limited to the 4k Pro? Other outlets are simply saying it's coming with no mention of model restrictions. I suppose it could be somewhat assumed due to usb bandwidth, but between video compression (which you've noted), resolution/framerate downscaling, and potential audio compressions it doesn't seem like an impossibility for the 4K X to me.

[@EposVox]

They are only looking into it for 4K Pro AFAIK yes. Likely a bandwidth issue.

[@BMXaster]

Why does HDMI suck so badly? And why oh why isn't there any DisplayPort Capture Card?

[@AlohaRG]

Hey, great video! Do you have any advice on how to fix screen flicker with 4K X ? My TV screen goes black for a couple of seconds, but not in OBS or the capture utility. I've been trying to fix that for almost a week now. 😒

[@gryski]

If you wanted, could you use the 4k x to record on a single pc. I want to buy it for my current xbox series x but plan to get a pc in the future. Would I be able to use it for that pc instead of needing to buy a recording software?

[@EposVox]

You dont need to buy recording software. OBS is free. You COULD use it to record your PC, but it would provide you nothing of value over using OBS and would be a waste of money

[@gryski]

@@EposVox Oh okay, thank you!

[@BasagliaNunes]

I know it ain’t much, but it’s honest work LOL. This was so well explained and well made, thank you so much! I have a question, I have an M3 MacBook Pro, and would like to use it as a display for my Xbox Series X/PS5. Will the Elgato 4K X work and display the full resolution at the MacBook’s screen?

[@EposVox]

Thank you so much for the tip! Yes, you can fullscreen the preview in OBS or maybe Quicktime, though there is added latency compared to a native input on a TV/monitor.

[@ryantrimble4192]

Great video! Quick question - for the 4K X, do I need to use the USB 3.2 C-to-C cable or can I use a USB C-to-A cable similar to the HD60 X? Just asking as I have limited USB C inputs on my motherboard.

[@vincentvega3093]

USB-A will limit you to 5Gbps. Your motherboard port must be 10Gbps and up.

[@ryantrimble4192]

thank you!!@@vincentvega3093

[@Drew_Koch]

The port on your motherboard needs to support 10Gbps. So USB 3.2 Gen 2. It can be A or C.

[@EposVox]

Yeah USB A isn't inherently limited to 5, I even showed 10gbps A ports in the video. Just need to get a 10gbps capable cable and make sure you have a 10gbps type A port.

[@ToriksLV]

Is the definitive guide updated as newer OBS versions come out or its not necessary for a long time?

[@EposVox]

I swap out videos as needed for updates, otherwise adding a new chapter for broad OBS updates that don't change the core content

[@KyleCrossGaming]

Great review, picked it up today. Do you happen to notice posterization/color banding in passthrough when using 4k 120hz HDR? It seems to happen with a 422 chroma signal, which the PS5 outputs with that combo. I don't get the posterization with a direct connection.

[@SleeperJohns]

After when I upgrade my streaming system to something a bit more modern, the latest 4k60 Pro (I guess it would be considered Mk. III, don't know what happen to that bit in the naming scheme) is something I'm gonna get. Lower latency is always good.

[@NateWolfKira]

Would you be willing to review the TUF GAMING CAPTURE BOX-4KPRO? I'd be interested in your thoughts on it. I've been using it for a while. It works really well. At first it did have an issue with audio buzzing, which was fixed via firmware update. Other than that, the only remaining concern is the automatic firmware update in their software doesn't work, however I was able to successfully apply the update manually. Let me know your thoughts.

[@Samhain__UK]

Great review. Can you confirm whether or not HDR capture is possible on macOS?

[@vesnl]

Love how detailed this is.

[@curtishorn1267]

Thanks for the review. I"m looking to record at 1080p 240Hz, not for streaming, but just to record. The PC is a prebuilt HP Pavillion with a Ryzen 1700 cpu and an RX 550 and a 240 Hz 1080p monitor, ports are USB 3.1. We are simply recording the windows desktop which is showing some lab software and a video stream from a USB camera. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[@EposVox]

Is this just a single PC setup? If so, a capture card does not help you

[@RudeCanine]

Great editing, love the VHS/crt vibe. What plugin did you use? It doesn’t look like red giant at all

[@EposVox]

I *plugged in* a composite video cable into a CRT TV

[@kayjaylin]

Does this mean that I can capture 4k30p 10-bit 422, slog 3 footage from my Sony cameras into OBS onto the capture card, and color grade it in premiere? I've wanted to consider 10 bit capture recording from the 4k hdmi capture card from blackmagic because it does 10-bit, but was waiting to see if competitors would do something about it. Curious what this new gen of elgatos can do.

[@EposVox]

Not exactly. 4K30 can do 4:2:2 YUY2, 4:2:0 NV12, or 4:2:0 P010 (10-bit) So you can do 10-bit OR 4:2:2 OBS doesn't even have a 4:2:2 10-bit format it supports anyway

[@BenjaminBjurstrom]

Thanks for the review! Is 4k limited to 4:2:0 on the 4k X?

[@Vittoots]

Good video ! Is the codec AV1 compatible with this card ? And what the maximum bitrate recording ?

[@EposVox]

These send uncompressed video to your PC, there is no maximum bitrate. AV1 encoding requires support from your PC - RTX 40 series or newer Nvidia, Intel Arc, or AMD RX 7000 series GPUs. Which capture card you use does not affect which encoder you choose in OBS.

[@Rezzered]

Great quality video as always Adam! Is there any information about the experience on having the new 4K 240hz monitors that have DSC compression... how well that will work together with the passthrough and capturing?

[@EposVox]

Covered in 4K Pro specs section. Won't work with 4K X. Can't really tell you "how well" it will work until I have one

[@Rezzered]

@@EposVox Apologies, missed that! thanks for info!

[@gameboyttv]

What is the benefit of 10gbps USB over my current HD60S+? Improved latency and stability? Thanks.

[@EposVox]

And all the new specs it can pass through and capture… lol

[@tekmaniacstreams]

Damn was hoping the 4k pro would allow 4k60 while passthrough 4k 240.

[@tekmaniacstreams]

Also the only reason I don't want the 4k x is because I do use two instances of OBS.

[@JCM_0]

Thanks for the overview! Do you know if a 165hz monitor would work through passthrough 1440p or does the card lock at 144hz or 240hz?

[@itskahlil91]

For someone who lives in Canada thank you for adding the Canadian price. got a follow from me!

[@ynotssb6922]

just wondering if you have any thoughts about the ShadowCast 2 Pro, cant seem to find many videos about that card

[@Stodeh]

If you use passthrough, is there ANY added latency to the gaming PC?

[@EposVox]

No

[@Symba_Lysm]

You always surprise me with different editing styles and presentation when it comes down to these. Well, what feel like "Passion Projects" as such. P.S You always the first person I know is going to make the most informative and educational video and about capture cards and encoding. Rock on and solid work.

[@gster109]

What reason do you have to believe that the Avermedia HDMI 2.1 card doesn't suppory ALLM while this one does? In the PS5 settings it says that if VRR is on, then ALLM is automatically turned on as well?

[@리프로-y7v]

Are the latency test results of obs for 1080p?

[@상윤아]

I know it's a rude question, but the comparison is so hard to make, so I'm commenting. Would buying the GC575 be a much better choice in the end? I thought it would be hard to notice the difference between 30ms and 60ms, although the Inputlag is definitely higher at 60ms.

[@EposVox]

Why would that be better? It’s the worst of the HDMI 2.1 options lol. Would be better off with the USB options from either AVerMedia or Elgato

[@chrismorozin4145]

I know this isn't the focus of this review, but how is the audio delay on either product? I ask that because I need to extract the audio without using these cheapo Amazon HDMI 2.1 Audio Extraction devices that never seem to last. It would be great to monitor that input in real time and ditch the cheap hardware. Maybe there is better purpose-driven hardware I'm missing. Using VRR on consoles with a PC monitor that has no dedicated audio out is a mess!

[@EposVox]

Covered in the latency section; though you want to use Windows listen as (in my experience) OBS audio monitoring adds even more delay

[@paulink]

I own a 4k pro mk2 and was considering this downscaler you linked, but AFAIK it does not support downscaling VRR, so its not worth it. Might as well suck it up and get the new 4k pro

[@chiefmaster8957]

Which is better between gc553g2 and Elgato 4k?

[@kingjaries]

I haven't used a capture card since the Elgato HD 60 came out so I decided to get the 4k X. I'm using it for my ultrawide Samsung Neo G9 so we'll see how that goes. I also have my gaming laptop so I can use it for that whenever I'm traveling.

[@AntAskew]

Thanks for the review. Updating my PC soon and only ‘view’ the content on pass through rather than in OBS and I think I’m gonna see if the price drops on the 4k60 pro mk2

[@FallenKiid]

Amazing explanation but I think my streamer x fits my needs as of now. just one question tho, what mic did you use while recording this video?

[@EposVox]

On-camera bits with MKH-416 (other than the iPad section), voiceover with Lewitt LCT 1040

[@FallenKiid]

@@EposVox thank you so much. Going to look into the 416, Tom buck says he uses the mkh 50 and his voice sounds good as well. Decisions decisions.

[@EposVox]

The 50 is good

[@HappyBackgammon-gn3yo]

Can I use the 4k pro as a substitute of a camlink for a 4k 60fps webcam?

[@FrankieJPlays]

So which one do you recommend 4k pro or the new avermedia? I currently use live gamer 4k internal

[@EposVox]

Neither. I’d recommend the 4K X Either of the PCIe options would be a downgrade unless you NEED 8k or 4k240 passthrough

[@FrankieJPlays]

@@EposVox thank you

[@EposVox]

@@ajaysourav You cannot record 4K 240FPS, no.

[@SquaresToOvals]

11:12 You forgot to put your NZXT latency specs in the list, as they should be up around the 34-36 ms range, right?

[@AmunRa_Racing]

You deserve more recognition man, keep doing your thing

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

Getting a 4K X. I've been waiting for a decent USB capture card for 4K, let alone 4K at 60 FPS. Used the link, I support supporting good creators.

[@EposVox]

Thank you!!

[@JadedGotAmmo]

I have the 4K60 Pro in my streaming pc and I have a spare HD60x laying around my monitor is 240hz 1440p. Should I upgrade to 4K X? To capture in 1440p?

[@playeronthebeat]

What's most disgrunteling me is the fact that Linux is not always fully supported. Especially from the PCIe cards :/ Would wish that companies would at least open their drivers or work better together with OBS so that Linux users can at least run them to their full potential without too much headaches :/

[@BorisRecalde]

Way better than what AverMedia recently released. Will have to wait until they patch in LCPM 5.1 audio passthrough (at a minimum) before I consider buying a 4k Pro though.

[@MatsuXL]

Damn wish I knew you had an affiliate link sooner! I would have bought it through there instead.

[@EposVox]

DURN IT haha

[@MJ7productions]

I wanted to buy it though the affiliate link but unfortunately Elgato does not ship anywhere else the USA. I'll have to buy it through Amazon when it becomes available.

[@TonyTurbo78]

YeH gutted to. I'm guessing Amazon goes live tomorrow?

[@abrahamherrera5926]

wait so will the 4kpro be able to pass through the party chat audio from my xbox to the stream?

[@MichaelW.1980]

From a nerdy technical side the new cards are great to know, but from a painfree use side of things, the HD60X will be part of my rig for the foreseeable future. PCIe cards are messy not by themselves, but from the PC side of things, as any really usable PCIe ports are connected to the mainboard chip and not to the CPU, limiting the overall bandwidth to whatever is available on the connection between the chip and CPU. And that's a nightbare, since MANY parts in and around the PC are part of that party, including some M2 SSD connections, the ethernet, wifi and bluetooth connections, onboard sound and many usb ports as well. And the latter will keep me from going 4K on a usb card as well. Until I upgrade my PC, I will not stream in AV1 as well, so even in theory, HDR is out of the question here. Many things, I don't need to think about for now. Oh, one thing thats really nice to have on the HD60X: It gives me a seperate audio input for Windows. Do the new 4K X and 4K Pro have this feature as well? Because that - to me is even more crucial to consider.

[@FishFPS]

The question is... Do I need a 4000 series GPU or is an Intel Arc good enough for a dedicated stream PC??

[@EposVox]

A750 or higher good for stream pc

[@FishFPS]

@@EposVox Thanks for the reply dude! If you have a moment, one other question: Will the A750 or higher do OK with a situation where I'm streaming and recording at the same time? btw, really appreciate all the time you put into this information.

[@EposVox]

Yep! It would do great

[@Tevex_]

Excuse me for mentioning that you prefer to use magewell with RT4K? I am considering buying the 4K X for RT4K, PS5 and maybe PC but your comment caught my attention, greetings

[@EposVox]

It was $1800 and I don't want that to go to waste, and it's the best result you can get for HDMI 2.0 4k60 haha

[@Tevex_]

@@EposVox I have noticed that in the RT4K there are some problems with the RGB masks, it is completely impossible to capture them with my current 4K60 Pro, nor can I capture them with the same ElGato software and I am interested in a solution and I thought that is why you liked your Magewell capturer better

[@EposVox]

Well you CAN capture them, they just aren’t going to look right unless the video is played back at native 4K. Magewell doesn’t fix this lol

[@Tevex_]

@@EposVox ohh thanks👍

[@justjake8095]

One thing I'm glad I did was buy a upscaler to use my hd60 with my PS5, hopefully one day I could afford something better since I think my HD60 is dying after years of use.

[@joshuau.]

Great and helpful in depth video!!! Appreciate the video!

[@CetraAudio]

Says on the Elgato Website that you can do 4k240 Passthrough with 4k60 Capture on the 4K Pro, this get updated since the video or something?

[@EposVox]

That’s just saying 60fps is the max it can capture in 4k, not that you can capture 4k60 from 4k240, that hasn’t changed

[@CetraAudio]

@@EposVox Jesus christ why is it so confusing.

[@EposVox]

@@CetraAudio The table I show in the video (which is also on their support page, annoyingly not on the normal product page - help.elgato.com/hc/en-us/articles/23479165158029-Elgato-Game-Capture-4K-Pro-Supported-Resolutions-and-Frame-Rates ) makes it pretty clear

[@meugameplay4k]

Any news about color range on these new cards or its the same as before? Just watched your video about full vs partial color range..

[@EposVox]

I’m not sure I understand the question. The video about full vs partial is a static concept, there’s not going to be any news about it.

[@meugameplay4k]

@@EposVox in that video you said that some capture cards can handle full color range, with chroma subsampling 4:4:4, and that was not the case of Elgato 4K60 Pro..

[@EposVox]

@@meugameplay4k all cards can handle limited/full color ranges. For chroma subsampling, yes, I discuss that in the specs section of this video lol

[@Alexandra-Rex]

Ok, so it seemed glorious at the beginning, but I can't capture 1440p 60 if I passthrough 1440p 240 Hz makes it pointless since I already have the 4K60 Pro MkII and capture at 1440p60/120.

[@JonesTheLad]

They can probably change this with a few software updates over time

[@Alexandra-Rex]

@@JonesTheLad I doubt it, since the 4K X can do it already.

[@shinobeFire]

how would any of you capture a 1080p 360hz monitor for a 1080p60 livestream?

[@CherniXStyle]

hi. Tell me, maybe you know. I capture 4k 60 with sony fx30 before that I did it comlink 4k now I bought elgato 4k x and when capturing 4k x there was a lot of noise not even in the shadows? what could this be related to?

[@WR3XKA]

Nice video man. I was waiting for this video

[@specter116]

Question, what pc mother board do you recommend, it looks like my pc will need to be revamped..

[@tek_soup]

i bought both, needed newer hdmi spec devices. great review/info!

[@noenken]

Great video. Took a couple years but it finally seems to be happening. Proper 4K high fps capture on the one side, AV1 support on the platforms ... maybe another year or two and it might become the new normal. On the other hand one has to ask if all of it is even necessary. 8-10Mbit AV1 at 1080p in HDR would tick every box for me as a viewer and not blow up my connection. And I think that is true for at least everyone who is watching on a mobile device as well.

[@EposVox]

Well remember, just because you're streaming in 1080p doesn't mean you want to be limited to only playing in 1080p lol

[@noenken]

Totally valid. I just think that higher resolution (especially at high fps) doesn't really make a big difference on the viewer side. I watch 960p and sometimes 720p streams on twitch that are easily good enough for a second screen today. A bump to 1080 AV1 at anything over 8bit colors (fuck those muddy shadows) is gonna be enough for almost anyone. So I expect that to be the sweetspot for a long time. @@EposVox

[@TyPlaysHD]

as a mac user are you finding that you can run 4k60 or 4k120 sdr on a M series mac? wanna pick one up asap but cant find anything to state it will

[@EposVox]

Yep, I have a whole Mac section for 4K X and was testing on M2 Mac Studio

[@denzwthelens]

I applaud the effort you put into these videos, thanks for all the info!

[@k_DEDb07]

upgrading from an elgato hd60s+ that has up until restricted passthrough to 4k60. the elgato 4K X will allow me to have 4k120 hdr passthrough and capture in 1440p60 hdr @£230 i think

[@EposVox]

It will!

[@k_DEDb07]

thank you for addressing my comment love your videos. have a great Feb😎

[@evanlong1070]

Good to see this supporting UW (3440x1440) monitors, even if Elgato hasn’t officially announced that yet. Has anyone been able to get SUW (5120x1440) working yet?

[@darksamus8]

This card capture card will be good with the Nintendo switch?

[@helix8847]

For the Latency is that at 1080p or 4k 120hz? I would love for a card that could be 2-1 Frame Difference.

[@АртёмСабадырь]

I love how 4K60 Pro Mk.2 can handle literally ANY resolution it has bandwidth for! YUAN also has Linux drivers for it... but Elgato doesn't care. I have that YUAN 8K60 card. And it's a pain. It requires 8 lanes of PCIe which are very hard to get. My MB supports 8+4+4(NVMe) bifurcation so 2nd slot is only 4x. All modern AMD chipsets can do is also 4x PCIe. You ether need ThreadRipper CPU with much more lanes, a rare MB that can do 8+8 and sacrifice 8 lanes of your GPU slot or capture 8K30 max.

[@nirantali]

After Avermedia disappointed me with the Live Gamer 2.1, I really wanted the Elgato 4k Pro because at the time it was sais Elgato won't mess it up... Unfortunately they did, because the PCIe card can't even record 4kVRR60HDR, let alone 4kVRR120HDR, so no reason to buy an Elgato 4k Pro anymore. Well, maybe in a few years someone will be able to make a real HDMI 2.1 PCIe capture card, until then I'll be playing in 4kVRR120HDR but can only record 1080p120HDR. So the only real new thing is that the Capture cards now are able to record FRL and VRR inputs, that's all, because the resolutions supported were already supported by the 5+ year old cards.

[@gster109]

5:52 the fact that it cannot record in 4k60 from a 4k120hz feed makes the avermedia the clear winner. I was worried for a sec I got the GC553g2 over this lol. (EDIT: lol nvm saw your comment) But I am still having handshake issues with the PS5 to the OLED :( (Edit 2: I just saw the end of the video where you talk about ALLM, is that really not supported on the GC553G2?!, could that be the reason why I am having handshake issues since that is enabled??) Where does it say that this capture card supports that feature while the Avermedia one doesn't ?? I feel scammed knowing that wow... Thanks in advance & awesome editing in this video. THUMBS UP!

[@EposVox]

AVerMedia is not "the clear winner" wut? Their PCIe card is literally their USB card on a PCIe carrier card. If you're going to get a USB card anyway, get the 4K X which can do more capture specs than the AVerMedia, at HALF the latency....

[@gster109]

Yes I edited my comment because I saw your pinned comment. Could you please clear up my other question in regards to how you know that ALLM is not supported on the Avermedia 4k120hz card ? Could that be the reason that I am having those "Invalid signal & random drop outs on this card?! I would be so upset if thats the case.. I didn't even think that it would be a drawback since it seems like such a basic feature that OLED owners take advantage of...@@EposVox

[@WeirdSnake]

Nice review!

[@pinnacleexpress420]

Hey, I cant find anything on the internet about this, but I have foundcomments saying youre the best in the business. My question is: Is there a known way to have your chat overlayed on top of your gameplay, but only when viewed from Twitch? So that it's not on my screen, but is on theirs? I get that it seems "pointless" on the surface, but I think viewers like to know exactly at what point the streamer sees their message/effectively conveys how much delay there is between the two, and it's also just a bit of a comfort thing for them seeing their messages "officially" pop up. But Ive only got one monitor and dont mind using my phone. Thanks in advance.

[@EposVox]

You use a chat widget from services like Stream Labs or StreamElements as a browser source, or you pop out your Twitch chat window in your web browser and add the URL of your chat as a browser source

[@pinnacleexpress420]

ok, epic response, a little vague but it was good enough with a little googling, but now is there a way to remove the bar where i can type and the buttons etc? @@EposVox

[@EposVox]

I mean, it’s as specific as I can get. I can’t put a tutorial in a KZbin comment. Gave you the exact tools you needed. And yes, you can crop the source to crop off the bars. Either with the transform menu, or holding alt and dragging the handles

[@pinnacleexpress420]

​@@EposVox Im sorry if I seemed ungrateful bro, I think your comment was amazingly helpful. Ppl werent kidding when they said youre the goat for this stuff. But I cant get the "send chat" bars to go away using this method. I investigated the "transform menu" because alt, shift, and control dragging will not crop this thing, and can not find it. The references I dug up are from years ago, or theyre talking about OBS. Looks like a deprecated menu. Ppl said to right click the source for a transform menu but there is not one there, and then I tried playing with "size and position" vs "custom resolution" but theyre both just scaling everything and all I get out of it is invisible space above and below the chat box that I can move the whole thing with by grabbing. Would greatly appreciate some more help, just getting it cropped, as I think this seems like a good implementation for my stream. The "green screen" effect looks very promising for this method too, but I should really get the messaging bar outta there

[@motionblurgamer]

Can't it help single stream computers if I need to connect a camera with HDMI out? Even cameras that support webcam mode usually only does that in 1080p.

[@EposVox]

Well yes, but that’s for *outside sources*. A camera is still an outside source lol