EQ Tricks for Bass and Kicks - Into The Lair #97

[@GuerillaMusic7]

I sidechain my bass 99% of the time, but I never thought about splitting it into 3 tracks and just sidechaining the low. Thanks for the tip! I love this channel.

[@BMXrace321]

+GuerillaMusic7 I usually high pass everything up to atleast 150hz, apart from kicks, snares and sub bass obviously, and then just use a fitting sub bass under the whole track. This is very easy to sidechain :) (I also low pass my sub bass down to 150hz

[@GuerillaMusic7]

BMXrace321 I'll have to try that out and see how it sounds. Thanks.

[@JohnMorris-ge6hq]

BMXrace321 LOL LOL LOL

[@BobCCLIV]

I was just about to say the same thing! Would make the sidechaining less noticable

[@jinxyscornermusicmancheste3119]

This just blew my shit wide open

[@DopeMusicEntTv]

Hey Dave, Just wanted to say thanks for all your videos you provide to the younger producers, and engineers out there. Most of the ol' heads had to learn by yourself, and you're giving us something you didn't have growing up, and it means a lot. I don't know how everyone else would feel about this, but I think it would be really nice if you did a whole mixing segment on a session start to finish in different clips, with a new age sound like possibly how drake and 40 mix, or something along the lines in hiphop with them changing how mixes are completely with filtering and more low end advice. I think starting a session from front to back every step of the way would be a great learning experience. Even a person like myself would even pay for it. Thanks again.

[@davoncorbett3735]

DopeMusicEntTv I would definitely pay for it too, that would be so perfect

[@rockymountainrocker5630]

I love how Dave always directs us what to focus the ears on.

[@mrslapside]

Its crazy how secrets these engineers have. I'm glad to be learning from on the OGs. Thanks

[@AizenIPlannedIt]

frequency splitting, & frequency sidechaining is used a lot in neurofunk drum n bass & dubstep

[@BrooklynRagtag]

***** It's not just the physics of sound. There is also a lot of taste and art and happy and unhappy accidents. At the end of the day it's about your ears.

[@mrslapside]

Its mixture of being "Technical and Creative" IMO. Anyone can know the technical aspect, but I agree creativity is what sets you apart from the rest.

[@kingprone7846]

it's not really a secret, in electronic music people have been splitting bass into bands and sidechained the lowend for years...

[@mrslapside]

KingProne Well its a secret to novice person.

[@DjChubbyC]

I've learned more from your videos than any other source on the web yet. Some I've even paid for. Thank you for what you do.

[@TheUnknxwnJxker]

I can't believe I taught myself how to mix like this, but seeing one of my favourite mixers of all time using the same technique is just the best!

[@thatboypoonkyt]

I don't think he noticed the pun he made when he said "get a kick out of this"

[@variancewithin]

maybe he did. His humor is kind of dry- in a good way.

[@moonhowler667]

His DAW is unfamiliar to me as an FL Studio user, but in my software there's a much easier way to sidechain an isolated set of frequencies. Kick channel gets a peak controller, three band EQ on the target synth channel. Inv. link the gain of whichever band suits your purpose to the peak controller, then set the base to 50%. Set the freq of your EQ band a bit more precisely, and set Q for your coverage area. Adjust the amp, decay and tension on your peak controller, then raise the base to taste. Same effect, only two plugins, only one track.

[@sl9guitar]

Dave is an awesome dude for giving us these ideas. What a brilliant mind. Thanks, Dave!

[@yeskeyofficial]

Dave…you may never know how much of a blessing you are to us. THANK YOU for what you do through "Intro The Lair"

[@frankhoward4485]

This is an oldie but a real goodie, Mr. Pensado. A very smart approach.

[@AaronRhoades]

3:57 - "I thought you might get a kick out of this" HA. GET IT?

[@EbinAugustin]

With volumeshaper by Cableguys you can split any sound into three bands and sidechain within one plugin. It's just like Kickstart but it lets you draw the envelope. It has some great envelope presets too.

[@StyricM]

Thanks so much for sharing. That is a killer technique! As a Bass Player I can see how this would breathe life into the mix sonically. Awesome!

[@Dayta]

its hard to find videos where you can learn something ... this is one of them :) thank you

[@dariomargeli]

What does "panning" mean? How do you "pan" with the equalizer that comes bundled with Pro Tools?

[@rolandguilford8301]

I love these tutorials. Very down to earth and incredibly insightful. Thanks for all the great advice!

[@andrewmonte8131]

Great technique. I completely removed sidechaining on the bass track I am working on due to it killing the sound. But by doing this allows to bring it back just on the low and still retain my bass. Thank-you

[@bentyreman5769]

this helped me greatly with a mix I've been having difficulty with in the bass, thankyou dave!

[@adrianzag]

Dave, we love you.

[@ODG225]

Pensado you're awesome! Thanks for all your doing.

[@ItsThe1300]

Love it! I did something like this on a piano the other day and it sounded really cool too!

[@overbe]

Dave, great tutorial. Have small advice for making such split much easier: try using Blue Cat's MB-7 mixer, which splits the bands and allows to use any vst (even in protools) on each band separately. cheers

[@Astro2slick]

can ozone do that as well?

[@Astro2slick]

I know my bad lol & i still havent bought it.

[@Astro2slick]

Haha i was thinking of just buying the non advanced. Since i dont have enough money too. I was hoping to get avanced but santa never came lol

[@Astro2slick]

Haha bro i got that for myself after Christmas. And It has alot of stuff. So might as well use them and get to know what they do each one of them. And not buy ozone maybe until december i will get it perhaps...

[@Astro2slick]

Im really glad i got it i been watching videos about each plug in and really im satisfied. Bro you can still get it!! I got it on sweetwater.com its still 200$ right now.

[@ttyyrrdd]

multiband sidechained compressor? leaving the lows in the mid and spreading the highs looks very interesting though

[@odoxjoie5855]

I literally lol'd when I realized the simple genius of this technique. Love the pun of "i think you'll get a KICK out of this"

[@dexdjandproducer8344]

Hi Dave! First of, many thanks for sharing your expertise with us! The idea of ​​splitting the bass into 3 frequency bands is pure brilliant. Now I'm sitting here and trying to make good sense of it, as you showed us. I have a question; how do you spread top and mid bass out in to the stereo spectrum? Do you use modulation or time delay or something else? Again lots and lots of thanks and admiration for your sharing of knowledge - you are the man!!

[@nano7586]

You can sidechain the lows with a multiband compressor too (stock or e.g. Fabfilter Pro-MB)

[@bhargavdobhal5327]

Thank You Mr Dave Pensado 🙌🙌Very Helpful Video🔥🔥🔥🔥.

[@DIXIFREELY]

I instinctively did this once using multi band compression. It turned out good...Good to know that I wasn't nuts...

[@daneeehhhh]

I'm just not sure about the filters before the Limiter, in a way your low end is triggering the limiter even for the mid and hi bands, well... guess it makes the entire bass sound consistent dynamics wise.

[@justenoughrythym]

Great tip. Thank you. Love the show

[@FrankTheSmithTV]

Meldaproduction has a has a plugin called "MAutoDynamicEq" which lets you do this without having the bass split into 3 tracks. You can side chain it to dip out or increase up to 5 bands with any eq shape you set it to. It's not just a multiband compressor.

[@NeZversSounds]

Hi, there! :D He split bass not the kick.

[@FrankTheSmithTV]

NeZversTutorials haha that's what I meant. Don't know why I said kick haha

[@CHAUNNDON1]

Great tip Dave..you are the best..

[@elcritico76]

So let me get this straight. He had the audio stem for the bassline, then he made two extra copies of it and isolated the 3 frequencies. THEN he only sidechained the track that represented the low frequency of the bassline. Is that correct?

[@tobofin]

yes

[@smontiel0891]

doesn't this affect the mid frequencies?

[@davidhaney1394]

no

[@thiagooliveira5235]

That's genius!

[@mistaptvz]

sidechaining midrange or high freq is useless , because mid and high freq doesn't masking kick drum

[@miguelpessanha]

I much rather sidechain a multiband compressor on a shelf. It does the same job without splitting the tracks into different frequencies which will always get you in trouble with phase unless you use a great linear phase eq and broad filters for splitting the bass.

[@artissonbeats3057]

Are you still doing it like this Dave?

[@musicniconline]

I think maybe iZotope Alloy 2 multiband compressor allows individual sidechaining for each band. It might speed up the process and you will make more accurate bandsplits :) Love your ITLs, keep on making them!

[@BurstoMusic]

got a kick and a bass out of this Dave, cheers

[@ImbaSoulDC]

Nice man. Thanks for the tip :)

[@OfficialDjEata]

Compare Times: Before - 0:41 After - 3:47 Yur Welcome 😁

[@ttyyrrdd]

what?

[@erkicaplatz7212]

great tip, I didn't think of SCing a single frequency band!

[@AlbertoDelacruz92]

Studio one 3 splitter tool will make this so easy for me!!

[@cd78]

Bit like new york compression except an additional 3rd layer all separately processed in the eq

[@ltbc5619]

pure quality as always.

[@gimmietheprize]

Very interesting. Thanks for the tutorial. I'll try it on my next mix. Side chaining the low end... Who'd a thought it?!;-)

[@wowerman]

What was attack and release and ratio on side chain?

[@YungShadBeatz]

This guy was one of my teachers at full sail

[@Marrcello]

Super Helpful

[@LoganMartinsChannel]

Thanks for the tips as always. Gold.

[@iamlouisbullock]

When doing a side chain to the sub bass parts, do you do it as low as you can duck it? Like lower than -24db ish? If its too less a duck won't that mean the sub part of the kick will either cancel the sub bass (if the freqs are the similar) or add to it?

[@abaddondubstep3604]

It depends. If you're mixing a song of a really bass-heavy genre like say dubstep or glitch hop then you would duck it all the way down, allowing the kick all the room it needs because it is extremely prominent in those types of tracks and should have a good amount of it's own sub frequencies already. If you were making something like trance or house though you likely wouldn't have to duck it down so much because it is not all that prominent in the track and should therefore be less powerful and already have a good amount of it's sub frequencies eq'd away.

[@iamlouisbullock]

Ahh I getcha. I agree, I produce UK dubstep and dnb, so its gotta be tight. But I also dig 50-40hz freqs punching through with my kick sometimes. I notice in organic sounding acoustic music the drums bleed into the bass guitar sometimes, I guess there's no strict rules against that, but I wonder what the best practice could be.

[@HankusMaximus]

Should I be listening to this vid with some speakers? I'm listening through some iphone headphones and I'm really struggling to hear the difference

[@cabanaband]

same all I hear is a boost but that's it!

[@chadway8904]

+Henry Im using a tin can for speakers, should I be able to hear the difference?

[@JasonKutchma]

his speakers are $20k your ear buds are about $9 :) but also it's about frequency response. the bass and kick occupy 20-150hz and your ear buds probably only go down to 60 or so.

[@bryo8055]

Jason Kutchma I believe apple headphones are 30$*

[@skyhawk498]

This concept is sweet, but it seems like the overlapping frequencies would cause phasing issues. Anybody have any experiences with this?

[@Angloth]

Joshua Hawksley use a harder filter to split mid/high/low. That way no freq will clash.Also, if SOME freq overlap its so hard to hear, its probably not a problem. You will hear it if phasing is ruining ur track ;) also, get a phase analyser, if you dont trust ur ears!

[@LEYGSL]

@@Angloth When you say harder filter do you mean the steepness of the curve?

[@vhollund]

my god that sounds awesome !

[@lewchootrain]

When doing the Jaycen Joshua technique, do you have to split the bass into 3 parts? Or can you just split it into 2, the low, and the mid/high together?

[@petrozilly6275]

I just want to equalize your voice

[@Subeffulgent]

great as always!

[@DenisG7]

Someone Please be so kind to show for Dave how multiband compressors work. You can do exactly the same and much more with single sample instance.

[@grzankomuzykant]

great trick thanks a lot

[@marianobrascich]

AMAZING JOB!!!!

[@ulfrohdin]

Hatz off Dave!

[@TheRobGuard]

When he says "panned mono" he means put them in center right?

[@Letryk]

yes

[@Fishoilification]

Center is 0 in mono too, right?

[@AARONKAYE]

QUESTION! I would consider myself a pretty good producer and a decent mixing engineer but the biggest problem I have with my mixes is that the low end of them is always massive, and it's hard to predict how much bass is too much until I play it back on a system with a subwoofer like a car radio. I don't have a sub on my main studio setup, my monitors don't accurately play anything under 50Hz. My room is not acoustically treated but it's a good sounding room. What's a great way to learn how to level and mix the music for the best translations?

[@AARONKAYE]

***** thanks! i've been working in mono a lot lately and it def helps. also just bought an amp for my speakers/headphones and it's giving me much more accurate sound too

[@UnterDerSonneOhUnterDerSonne]

You might also try some decent monitoring headphones, if you don't have any yet.

[@AARONKAYE]

UDSOUDS did that

[@YHRS]

Treat your room. There's no way that you're going to hear accurate bass in your room unless you get the bass reflections under control. $20K monitors aren't going to do much good in a room that distorts the frequency response. In an average small bedroom studio, it's going to take a lot of bass trapping to get those frequencies under control. Otherwise the peaks and nulls in your room are going to continue to mess with your perception of bass frequencies. Install some bass traps. Then install more bass traps. Then more. And more. Then you'll be half-way to getting a flat bass response :-)

[@KingCoCo]

Get SOnarworks headphone reference software which will help your mixes sound alot better in your headphones

[@farfymcdoogle3461]

I'm not good enough to be splitting up an instrument. I always have this fear of the overlapping frequencies causing troubles, even if i can't hear it.

[@KingCoCo]

Thank you sir!

[@jpp4ever]

Thank you!

[@dochiphop3473]

GOOD POST

[@vipulbhirwandekar6730]

WOOOhh...THAT WAS SOME COOL STUFF

[@GurnamSinghchannel]

what software is this, used in this tutorial

[@abeloftmusic1948]

+Gurnam Singh Pro Tools :)

[@GurnamSinghchannel]

+Abeloft Music what an answer :)

[@NS10Fan]

Could c6 sidechain as well and save some copy clutter!

[@FrankTheSmithTV]

C6 vst3 can sidechain, but not vst2

[@NS10Fan]

FrankTheSmithTV true enough!

[@fldweeb5849]

What McDsp plug in is that?

[@moonhowler667]

I read that as McDubstep

[@KennyHectyc]

Thanks!

[@bizzledizzle2010]

multiband compressors do this for me.

[@bignellgaming4243]

Not sure using a multiband will give you the width he’s looking for in those higher frequencies

[@Manofmanytallets]

"Get a kick..." I'm guessing no pun intended

[@ThriveKing]

Brilliant

[@markjamesmason]

awesome

[@forsure2283]

Why not just use a multi band compressor and sidechain the lows?

[@jaketalksaudio1105]

That will work and is a good solution but splitting the signal up in to the sub and the rest of the sound can give you much more control over the mix. You can have different compressors, effects and automation on the sub than you do on the mid/highs which can be very useful. Even just having a separate fader for the sub can be handy as you can use it to tweak the low end balance without having to faff about opening up the multi band plug-in and altering it from there.

[@jo-al1132]

wouldn't another alternative be to side chain a multi band compressor on the bass

[@JohnJeevasingham]

Or a dynamic EQ!

[@geeblanco]

Sounds like the bass in Come To Daddy by Aphex Twin.

[@scatterplotx]

3:59 Dave made a pun :)

[@Shrumhockey]

you are awesome

[@vhollund]

talking bout the last one in particular

[@christophermurray2666]

Very interesting approach to the EQ. I'll be subscribing to learn more from you. Is the bass intended to sound that way, though? It almost sounds like a bit-crusher type effect creating lots of noise over the instrument. I found it distracting and sloppy to listen to. Maybe it works within the rest of the arrangement?

[@lemonderangello]

yeah, maybe it does work.

[@MartieMcFly1]

You make this look way too easy!!

[@syedjawad75]

cool

[@PeterSavad]

Would be even better for the kick if the attack was faster on the SC comp.

[@ragzy02]

I would think it would cause more pumping on the low end.

[@jimslade2264]

Improve your low end coherency with this one weird trick!

[@rellicbeats]

fam do fl studio pls

[@fldweeb5849]

Just translate what he does onto fl studio.

[@HandsUpDK]

Watch out when doing this! You can loose a lot of headroom when doing it like this. If the LPF and HPF isn't perfectly shaped you can get some phase issues and lose some volume.

[@ArbaletTa]

1:54 and here the LOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW

[@haui82]

Selfmade dynamic EQing :)

[@alancorns5837]

KZbin is SATURATED with these lessons. No PUN intended.

[@ermharriable]

Not really needed today with dynamic EQs

[@AlbertArchie]

There's that great mix ebgineer called Raz Klinghoffer you should all check out

[@Grindprovider]

+Cecile J.Goss Bot.

[@variancewithin]

no subs, no action. yeah, you might be right.

[@arande3]

Yeh and you know you can do this with higher frequencies too or increase the clarity of high frequency transients this way. Lots of other applications too. Just use your ears :p

[@ErickBolivarMusica]

I got a KICK out of it! Haha!

[@jinxyscornermusicmancheste3119]

Wow....

[@thetylermays]

You though we might get a kick out of it... lol

[@bluubloodra12]

🔥👍🏾🔥

[@adbposthumus]

okay

[@ShadowPilot]

1:54 Looowwwww