How Google's Chromium Took Over the Browser World

Have you ever wondered why every browser these days is based on Chromium? Why can't they make their own browser from scratch, or base it on something like Firefox? And is having every browser based on Chromium really a bad thing? Let's find out in this video.
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0:00 Intro
1:13 What's wrong with everything being Chromium?
2:31 What's so great about Chromium?
5:26 Why can't you make your own browser?
7:47 What happens when Google controls the internet?
9:26 Conclusion

[@WilliamHaisch]

Learning that Firefox gets most of their funding from Google is like discovering the Rebellion in Star Wars is being funded by the Empire. 🤣

[@vylbird8014]

For legal purposes Google doesn't want to have a complete monopoly, so it's in their interests to keep Firefox around.

[@Shifter-1040ST]

Similar to Microsoft keeping Apple afloat back in the day.

[@Kismitane]

Shhhh can't let the public find out

[@bonkerbonk343]

@@Shifter-1040ST that's a common myth, apple's profits were declining but not to the point that microsofts minimal amount helped them at all

[@naattxxnaattxx7055]

Or like learning that the seperatists were led by palpatine

[@Megalodonix]

This is why I use hardened Firefox, I'm not gonna have Chromium fed down my throat.

[@no_name4796]

Even firefox normal, tweaking the settings in about:preferences and installing ublock origin is already really good. Especially because firefox will hopefully never break adblockers with manifest v3

[@meteor4716]

​@@no_name4796Firefox has been implementing MV3, but they're doing so in a way that also supports a lot of MV2 functionality and allows for extensions like uBlock Origin to continue to work, whereas Chromium is stripping away that API compatibility.

[@raulguy]

Nujabes pfp :D

[@tacokoneko]

i use firefox "normal" but i use a heavily customized profile folder with it that i have used for years and to get firefox updates i use the gentoo firefox package

[@Linuxuser-vw8qw]

​@@tacokonekostrange how u are a linux user and uses firefox

[@nelinearni]

the worst thing is, that mozilla makes the worst possible decisions at every turn. not a single month passes without them completely fucking something up

that's why google pays them

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Yeah, I don't have the most faith in Mozilla's leadership either

[@NopWorks]

Sounds ridiculous, but someone who cares about the browser & it's users should create a non-profit organization and take Firefox away from Mozilla Because aside from some recent amazing decision for Firefox Android, Firefox really lags behind every browser on productivity & Quality-of-life features. Meanwhile they decided to put resources into silly things like selling a rebadged Mullvad and the terrible Photon UI update. Privacy is great & important for a browser, but productivity also matters.

[@poscat0x04]

Mozilla: focuses on literally anything instead of their browser

[@TheGlitchyMario]

I hate the company itself, but I like Firefox

[@alleeadl289]

i will never use any browser without ad-blocking, it's a nightmare to browse the internet with ads on.

[@allchicken]

I have used the internet all my life without addblocker, I dont see the problem, because of that, just dont matter about dumb adds

[@lookinaturmom]

@@allchickenur probably a vanilla user.

[@escapetherace1943]

@@allchicken we found a live NPC boys! 🤣

[@cyr0_gd]

​@@allchicken Hard to "just don't matter about dumb ads" when ads are only things you see.

[@KhairulHidayat]

​@@allchickenimagine living with ads everywhere

[@wrench444]

Google dropped its old motto, “Don't be evil,” and exchanged it with, “Do the right thing. Right thing for who you ask? for Google..................

[@zeal9442]

Trust me, Google was pretty much *always* evil, even back in the 90s.

[@tech-bore8839]

So basically just like the KZbin monopoly: everyone complains about KZbin's policies and want alternatives, but they don't want to help build & grow those alternatives. What gets me is that the average person thinks KZbin/Google just suddenly became this powerful, while conveniently ignoring the YEARS it took to get to this level. Sad thing is now that we see the problem and acknowledge it, few people try to fix it. Now most people have become the dog in the "this is fine" meme.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

The problem is it's hard to build the alternatives now. Like I said in the video, it's extremely hard to build a new browser even with billions of dollars to throw at it. Mozilla threw away their chance to build a comparable web engine, so most new browsers are going for the option that doesn't involve billions of dollars of new development.

[@tech-bore8839]

@@EricMurphyxyz Don't get me wrong, I understand why they choose the easy way. I'm just saying it's going to take actual effort if people want REAL alternatives, not just forks.

[@ronnie9379]

Kind of hard for ppl when the algorithms control what ppl see, and people don't even know of any alternatives existing and can't find out. Like are people gonna find a KZbin alternative? No because they have no hope that they will find anything they want on it because nobody uses it. And if someone tries to make one, how are people going to find it and start using it? It's all on purpose. They are doing their best to control what information people encounter

[@tech-bore8839]

@@ronnie9379 You're not entirely wrong. However, people have the ability to search "KZbin alternatives" and find them that way (for now). If they can use a search engine for silly/random questions they should be able to search for the alternatives.

[@user-od4gs3iu4t]

@@tech-bore8839 alternative to. net

[@thomasw4422]

Remeber when Google dropped its moto of "don't be evil"?

[@michaelm1]

That was ages ago. Feels like before I was born. They went evil still in the ancient times.

[@zeal9442]

Trust me, Google was *always* evil.

[@Nor-tc8vz]

Now it should be "Be very evil".

[@TechnoMinded-qp5in]

NewPipe is your friend.

[@TwoWorldTradeCenter]

0:53 The hilarious part about this is that many modern websites love telling you to download their app, which in most cases is even worse than just using the website in the browser normally.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

It's more about the lock-in than it is the user experience

[@stodo1337]

Reddit mobile is literally adware

[@NopWorks]

These days I just install the website as a PWA. Works great enough, and doesn't spawn a ton of duplicate Chromium processes.

[@vylbird8014]

The app is much better for gathering data, and defeats ad-blockers.

[@ent2220]

I installed Lineage OS on my phone and without the google apps. I only have a few apps installed now - firefox (where I get the up to date APK directly from github), and 3-4 apps from fdroid. Using the Firefox browser (and of course with a blocker because it supports extensions) is perfect for me. Everything web-based in one place with bookmarks. Much cleaner and less bloated phone, less battery drainage and more privacy, since the apps are anything but private.

[@F_Around_and_find_out]

Manifest V3, if it can nerf ad blockers enough it might help Firefox gain popularity again. And if Google do the funny and make the web unusable to other non chromium web browsers, that is a class action lawsuit in the making.

[@LRM12o8]

Given all the shady stuff Microsoft got away with pushing Edge and their other services on recent years, I doubt that agency that once threatened to split the company over IE integration in Windows even exists anymore...

[@NopWorks]

Google will get away with it. Remember the ShadowDom debacle, when Google deliberately used it to slow down KZbin for competitors like Firefox & Edge (before Chromium)?

[@Nosttromo]

"that is a class action lawsuit in the making." not if the governments of the world are in on it

[@domojestic4155]

Most people don't use adblockers. Hell, most people don't use extensions at all. We're likely to see a 0.5% market share bump, max, because of the V3 stuff. The majority of users won't even notice.

[@yoshepop]

⁠@@domojestic4155Meanwhile every single school chromebook in my school containing the adblock+ extension:

[@ShamoaKrasieski-xm4ze]

I remember when Chrome first launched it was actually slower and crashed more often than any other web browser. However, you couldn't escape it. Google was advertising Chrome everywhere. Even the device driver CD that came with my motherboard had Google Chrome bundled, and checkbox ticked for installation by default. Once Google had everybody using Chrome, by curiosity if nothing else, they were able to convince all major websites to optimize specifically for Chrome. It became a black hole of sorts, with unrelenting gravitation pull.

[@LRM12o8]

Nowadays Microsoft is trying the exact same thing with Edge and failing miserably! 🤣 If current trends continue, Linux might see a bigger market share among Desktop OSes than Edge will among browsers by the end of the year.

[@THESERIOUSLYSMILE]

Stop it with the conspiracy theories, please. Google just sponsored and slowly took over the best web engine available (Chromium) and then built a solid browser around it. People switched out of curiosity and/or due to the marketing push it got, but stayed because it was simply the better browser that kept getting improved. Google did not have to "convince" anybody to optimize for Chrome if it was already the dominant browser in the market. At some point, even the people developing the very web content Chrome was used to access, were using Chrome themselves, and naturally, their first option to test out their products was Chrome. You want someone to blame? You can blame Mozilla and the management team behind it, which happily took Google's money in exchange of making sure Firefox stays the worse alternative, especially on Windows, where the vast majority of users were installing and usimg a browser at the time. Mozilla had years of experience ahead, a solid marketshare, and what was a very good web engine at the time. Not only did they fail suspiciously against all odds in at least keeping their share of users and just keeping up with a Chrome that, as you said, at release was nowhere near as solid as Firefox, but also started to gradually make Firefox worse with each release, while failing to fix or improve on features that were for years their low points and drew instant comparition with the better experience Chrome provided in that regard (e.g. the absolute garbage of a "History" functionality that Firefox has to this day)

[@PaulSpades]

That's really not true. At the time, Google and Apple were the ones that had any interest in pushing the adoption of new web tech, so all of the money and development went into webkit and v8. I'm talking many millions of dollars and millions of developer hours. After crushing Netscape with IE6, Mirosoft's web team was mostly disbanded, Mozilla didn't really have any resources though they did great work making the Mozilla browser and later Firefox, and Opera barely made any money licensing their server side web rendering tech to sustain their free browsers. The new standards from W3C for CSS2 and later HTML5 really made it unfeasible for new rendering engines to be developed, other than Webkit. Google and (the mostly Google funded) Mozilla were the only ones to keep up with the spending needed to implement the new standards. Microsoft and Opera tried and failed.

[@MrBa143]

"they were able to convince all major websites to optimize specifically for Chrome" -- Yeah thats not really how it works. Why are you writing this nonsense? I am gonna assume this was a joke comment. 🤣

[@danyal_assi]

@@LRM12o8no, window ui looking cooler

[@AbnormalAbnorman]

Me, personally, I quit Chromium after I found out about Manifest v3.

[@GreyMaria]

Bad timing. Cease the use of the product on the day the change is forced. Only a coordinated attack from the entire userbase _leaving simultaneously_ will have a CHANCE at displacing Google.

[@endermaster08]

Same here!

[@AbnormalAbnorman]

@@GreyMaria Chances are too slim IMO. Besides, I had JUST switched from Opera GX to Brave, so building up progress on Brave knowing I would just throw it all away later wasn't worth. Edit: P.S.: No chance I was going back to Opera GX either. 💀

[@cringesh1t427]

@@AbnormalAbnormanquite literally did the same… and I’m not really looking forward to use anything other than brave since I actually like it have you happened to find any decently secure browser similar?

[@cpucat]

Same

[@wfjhDUI]

0:41 Safari and Chromium also have a common ancestor codebase.

[@memetech-]

And said ancestor is olden Safari

[@AXAAZ]

That codebase is KHTML

[@PaulSpades]

@@AXAAZ KDEWebKit.

[@InventorZahran]

All modern web browsers are descended from Netscape

[@phyxer457]

how edge has a higher count than firefox will never make sense to me

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Being the default web browser for billions of computers is worth something

[@Laughing_Individual]

Because most users are not tech savy. They use what's available.

[@alexanded2383]

Ai features

[@sanekibeko]

Because it's installed by default on Windows and you can't even uninstall it if you're outside the EU. Sad but that's the reality.

[@LupoTosk96]

As others said it's default on Windows, but also it is even better than Google Chrome, making the old "IE for downloading another browser" meme obsolete.

[@korakys]

They won by advertising. Copious amounts of advertising, and minimalism. Lots of tech savvy people liked Chrome in the beginning because it was "less bloated" than Firefox. This is how they get you: the bloatedness argument. Although ironically Firefox also started out as a minimalist browser.

[@A1stardan]

They made chrome default in mobiles and unable to uninstall

[@cewla3348]

@@A1stardan you can *always* remove files from *any* device. even if it means using another, less locked down device to `rm -rf` the files out of existence.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

I first started using Chrome because of the minimalistic UI. People forget that it was a lot better than everything else at the time.

[@DaniiiAy]

@@cewla3348on Android if your rom comes with it, you can only disable it, which I guess is kinda the same thing

[@vylbird8014]

There's no such thing as a non-bloated web browser any more. There can't be. The web has just grown too complicated - so many different features which must all be supported to ensure compatibility with every site.

[@tehjamerz]

--dont-- be evil

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

or try to be good, but only in a narrow, distorted way

[@thecommentroaster]

Business casual? Man💀

[@Nor-tc8vz]

Now it's "Be very evil".

[@nonetrix3066]

"You can't make your own browser" SerenityOS devs: Hold my beer

[@PunkHerr]

Never heard of Serenity.

[@spaghettiking653]

@@PunkHerr No doubt you haven't, but it's famous in the OS dev community because it's a really good hobbyist OS!

[@lonecoder_cro]

😂 thats it

[@lonecoder_cro]

​@@PunkHerrcheck it out if you like that old skl unix look, everything is build from scratch

[@bhaswardutta4890]

I think if adblock stops to work on chromium based browsers a lot of peeps would switch over to firefox based browsers.....

[@gatorrade1680]

Or start using pi-hole or a router with integrated adblock. Which is even better because it blocks ads on every device connected to the network.

[@anon8510]

this is the same kind of logic Linux users use when M$ adds something to Windows that users won't like, thinking there will be an influx of new Linux users, but the reality is the vast majority of people don't even know the most basic stuff about computers, so it is completely irrelevant what these companies push forward

[@kuwandak]

​@@anon8510 uh, no. switching browsers is a far easier than switching to a whole new OS, what are you even talking about

[@anon8510]

@@kuwandak but the idea of switching doesn't even pop on most people's minds, that's my point

[@sprinklednights]

@@kuwandak Depends. For me yes because there's nothing on my web browser, but some like to add crazy integrations that make them depend on a web browser.

[@theether5993]

Currently servo is developed by Linux foundation.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Yeah, I was glad to hear it's still around and kicking, I wish them the best

[@Envido32]

"Can a couple of revels fighg back against the browseg hegemony?" Actually yes! Thats how we got Firefox against IExplorer in the first place.

[@theshadows1416]

but can fire fox really fight against another search engine GIANT?

[@aaronwestley3239]

I have Firefox + uBlock Origin + AdGuard on my phone lol saved me lots of time from intrusive ads and trackers, plus yt mobile is adfree with it 😂

[@zeal9442]

​​@@theshadows1416No worries, because Google pays Firefox to avoid antitrust and monopoly laws 😂

[@userre85]

Firefox gets paid by Google

[@CBarrowMusic]

If I can't have an ad blocker I'm not gonna use it. I switched to Firefox a while ago and because of this I'm glad I did.

[@Rovalowy]

I just finished setting up Firefox, after using Chrome for years. Fuck them.

[@hemangkorane1797]

Use Brave, it has it built-in

[@Dabluetoohdevicisrealychepheir]

I am on android and have firefox.

[@lazertroll702]

Pi-hole project is a viable filter option; speeds page loading by a lot, too 😉

[@Roblox_SBPepperminion]

Give Google the Standard Oil treatment.

[@zeal9442]

Fat Chance. The US government is practically on board with everything Google is doing, and they absolutely love it. In fact, according to my research, Google was originally a government experiment for crying out loud. They can basically dance around the law as much as they want anyways.

[@YourIdeologyIsDelusional]

"But muh free market."

[@zeal9442]

I hate to disappoint you, but the US government is practically on board with Google. In fact, according to my research, Google was originally a government experiment, making them impervious to any law you throw at them. Keep in mind, Google is from a place where lobbying/bribing is 100% legal.

[@zeal9442]

I hate to disappoint you, but the US government is practically on board with Google, making them impervious to any law you throw at them.

[@zeal9442]

I hate to disappoint you, but that will simply never happen, as Google is simply too powerful. More powerful than any governing body of the world.

[@gracicot42]

Chromium engine was not made from the ground up. It was actually based on webkit, which itself was based off khtml.

[@emanuellandeholm5657]

Nothing is done "ex nihilo" these days. Too expensive. Scratch the surface and you can often find some crufty, old COBOL routines underneath.

[@roccociccone597]

I actively try not to use chrome

[@hiroshimanagasaki616]

>Why is... everything.. chrome..?

[@LRM12o8]

The prophecy has come true! ... Not exactly how we interpreted it, but it certainly has become true! 🤣

[@unknown-qp8pk]

almost all of mozilla’s revenue comes from google through royalties, I wonder if it's to avoid antitrust related problems or some other kind of control strategy.

[@A1stardan]

It is to escape monopoly laws

[@BvngeeCord]

As soon as Mozilla and Firefox are off the map, Google is a target for antitrust lawsuits. So of course they are going to fund their “competitor”!

[@zeal9442]

Google pays Mozilla to keep their mouth shut on Google's monopoly over the internet.

[@valkohattu]

@@A1stardan😊😊😊😊😊

[@cev3522]

Me: *downloads Chrome to Windows* Microsoft: *Wants me to use Edge* Also Edge that is based on chromium:

[@camwha5904]

It’s funny how the EU is forcing Apple to allow other browser engines on iOS but in reality it’s just going to lead to most people using chrome engine on instead of safari too. Further killing webkit’s market share.

[@momsspaghetti4889]

You can already use other browsers on IOS

[@NewDay14]

They are all based on webkit. The eu made it possible to have chromium and gecko browsers as well​@@momsspaghetti4889

[@alexcuevas5633]

Now that’s when you know that the EU hates apple at the personal level.

[@NewDay14]

@alexcuevas5633 No the EU just doesn't like monopolies and Apple didn't want to implement Chromium and Geckoview browsers in their app store. If safari is as good as Apple thinks then Safari won't lose market share.

[@Solesteam]

Me (A Firefox User): *_Laughs in somewhat chrome-proof_*

[@FurryCuddler]

$HOME/.mozilla//chrome

[@DGTelevsionNetwork]

Opera changing from their rock solid presto engine to chromium really set the stage for other browsers to follow suit.

[@destroyer2973]

The SerenityOS project is rolling their own browser engine.

[@fahimemroz9141]

Eric, I recently discovered your channel and I love your videos. Please keep them coming.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Will do 👍

[@user-gh4lv2ub2j]

**LAUGHS IN FIREFOX**

[@ettoreatalan8303]

Google did *not* develop Chrome from the ground up. Google Chrome was initially based on Webkit from Apple, which in turn was based on KHTML from the KDE project. Google Chrome is now based on Blink, a fork of Webkit initiated by Google.

[@elsandosgrande]

Regarding Firefox and Servo, as I understand it, Servo is an experimental browser project written basically entirely in Rust. The rendering engine component specifically is called WebRender and has replaced Gecko inside of Firefox years ago, which makes Mozilla dropping the Servo team even more baffling of a move.

[@skyefarnan2311]

Another reason to use Firefox is cause it has a cute fox as its logo

[@youkofoxy]

3:30 Is not build from the ground Up, the chromium is a derivative of Webkit that is a derivative of KHTML, a tech developed by KDE way back, before the dragon mascot. Yep, Konqueror is the foundation of Chromium. However, I think they did not picked much from it. Also, Mozilla Firefox is based on Netscape that is a sucessor to Mosaic (if it use some mosaic code, I do not know). So if you are talking about lineage, Firefox is the king. As side note, Opera was a independent development by the looks of it.

[@DGTelevsionNetwork]

Opera started as the Norwegian version of AOL and then slowly changed into a standalone browser using their presto engine that at the time was one of the best in terms of speed and resource reliability. I never had it crash once when I was using it in the 2010s. I'm not even going to lie, I wish they would have kept using it instead of ditching it for chromium.

[@TheGlitchyMario]

I use Firefox with a privacy focused profile, and I really like it! If something says I need chrome, I have a browser agent spoofer.

[@peq42_]

moved to firefox after the DRM thing, and I dont plan on going back

[@bloxy4074]

The fact that mypal uses gecko *I think * is Impressive

[@Beryesa.]

Since when Blink was made from ground up? What happened to Google's WebKit fork which itself came from KHTML lol

[@voyager1150]

people who are saying "developers are lazy" should try to develop and maintain medium-size project in their free time for at least a year.

[@aravindmuthu5748]

yes please.As a developer myself, this needs to be said.

[@BobAg_]

As a developer I can confirm we are lazy. Nothing wrong with that, that where innovation comes from. The best apps were written to make life easier. It's also where abstraction comes from. People not wanting to write boilerplate code all day.

[@Gameplayer55055]

Inventing a new js framework every day instead of using query selectors and fetch

[@nelinearni]

@@Gameplayer55055 shit take lol

[@Gameplayer55055]

@@nelinearni no, you don't need spa in every single app. Sometimes the multi page app is way simpler (more "lazy") 🦥

[@tejassharma8569]

I'm one of those rebels. A somewhat hardened Firefox + Adguard extension. On the plus side, Apple forcing Safari (at least till now) on iPhones and iPads will provide some diversity as people are forced to develop for that, too (and they could make their code simpler, hopefully, to work in Firefox). But then the recent developments regarding lawsuits against Apple are going to screw even that up.

[@iaqivalpro]

u should use ublock origin instead of adguard its better

[@rrenildopereiraa]

awesome video usually i don't watch 10 mins vid but this one i didn't even noticed the time passing by xd

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Get those attention span gains

[@scottydude456]

Shoutout to everyone who got a chrome ad before the vid 💀

[@lejacobofficial]

Tbh the only reason why i switched to firefox is because of speed, cuz youtube was slowing down so bad, it was unbearable, and with the 180hz monitor, its absolutely flying!

[@EricMurphyxyz]

The new Firefox is actually pretty fast now

[@_loss_]

Yeah Firefox is a really smooth experience nowadays

[@AQDuck]

Remember that time when JXL almost became the perfect replacement for JPG, but Google _completely_ killed support for it in the Chromium engine in favor of their own WebP. Every chromium-based browser was just forced to deal with it and no webdev would use it when only 8% of users could use it (Firefox and Safari)

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Yep, that's another good example of the problems of letting Google control the web browser.

[@StefTechSurfer]

Great video however at the end it kind of failed to mention the positives on browser engine divserity.

[@JonasPalas]

You are the best youtuber, i was wondering, could you do another tierlist?

[@EricMurphyxyz]

What on?

[@handofstranger]

FireFox pride, worldwide.

[@TechnoMinded-qp5in]

Firefox needs to stop using chrome data first or even relying on it and make an equal amount of extensions and themes synchronizing with chrome still puts your data at risk Alphabet thinks they're gods we can show them that they aren't and give them a wake up call time to ban Google.

[@AndiPandi-yj7rc]

This is why people really really reeeeeal need to start using firefox again. There must always be alternatives

[@HunterEddie]

Eric Murphy keep uploading my guy

[@SharunKumar]

Oh damn the about box at 2:53 is so nostalgic!

[@betag24cn]

wait, people actually use that samsung web browser?

[@A1stardan]

It's great on mobile

[@lucascamelo3079]

Peoples usually use what comes pre installed. I tried it one time, kinda bloated for my taste.

[@shivamguchhait]

frr i tried to make it my main browser and later on i realized it's awful

[@rylamistrandall6517]

You can play YT videos and it stays on while using other apps, that's a W for me. Tell me if there are any other browser that allows you to do this too though, because Chrome doesn't even let you, even though the performance is slick af gotta admit.

[@memetech-]

2:37 the only reason it's better is because it's Safari based, but on non-Apple platforms, and Apple usually keeps their expert development to themselves ("walled garden") to better integrate it with their own platform. Chrome, put simply, didn't.

[@qlx-i]

??? but webkit?

[@memetech-]

@@qlx-i isn't WebKit from Apple?

[@qlx-i]

​@@memetech-Yes, but it's developed by others as well. Webkit-gtk, for example is used in lots of smaller browsers (gnome web, vimb, etc.)

[@loendsti]

both webkit and the blink are based on KHTML , sadly KHTML isn't around anymore.

[@darkwoodmovies]

I was a web developer in Silicon Valley for some larger known companies. The only time we ever opened and tested on another browser than Chrome was if a user reported a ticket with a browser-specific error. Chrome was often the only browser on our laptops.

[@cvoidboy]

waitin' for the servo browser engine x3

[@clockblower6414]

Linux user chiming in to appreciate Firefox!

[@D.von.N]

As long as I can filter out ads I'll use Brave, and Firefox. Once I won't be able to do that I'll stick to the Firefox and use a chromium browser for very specific tasks that won't work in Firefox. At some point either I'll wean myself off the web and go back to books and dvds, or some genius will come with a novelty browser that will be able to work with most chromium stuff without chromium and that will be a breakthrough. Sometimes the solutions are simpler than they seem.

[@Gameplayer55055]

If any 2nd webpage is a react babel then why not making a react browser that runs typescript and react natively

[@EbenieAmazon]

"Everything is Chrome in the future Squidward"

[@omega_sine]

I hope that the ladybird browser is able to bring some much needed competition to the browser market. Still too early for daily use but it’s nice to see something completely new.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Yeah, I respect the hustle, but I don't see it gaining any real traction unless he can get some major funding.

[@HonestObserver]

@@EricMurphyxyz Never bet against a 10X Scandinavian programmer. Torvalds, Stroustrup, Hejlsberg...

[@FabianBarajas]

I fuck with waterfox

do NOT say that out loud

[@hoovysimulator2518]

THE ONLY "water fox" I had known before this comment was Vaporeon 💀

[@NopWorks]

I put the liquid in waterfox

[@vulcanitu2578]

What a tarded way to say it

[@destroyer4929]

Please do not the waterfox

[@morgan3392]

Lol, I'm so used to people making videos either exactly 10 minutes or 10:01 to have midroll ads that seeing a video at 9:59 is strange to me.

[@djunaferdinur2075]

What engine does the browser on a Chinese smartphone use?

[@lorenzobuero7115]

i installed firefox some days ago and the browsing engine was chrome by default, i changed to duck duck go, but i heard that they had shared user data at least twice, does someone know another browsing engine i could use?

[@A1stardan]

Which device are u using?

[@cewla3348]

1. install librewolf 2. use librewolf

[@lorenzobuero7115]

@@A1stardan windows laptop

[@lorenzobuero7115]

@@cewla3348 maybe i will give it a try later, but i heard it does not work well with youtube and some other google pages... what browsing engine does librewolf use?

[@warriorz9871]

@@lorenzobuero7115 Settings, Apps, Default apps

[@YUBuliMi]

do you happen to use graphen os? or do you not have a pixel

[@SuperLlama88888]

I remember having to use vendor prefixes for full support in all browsers... ...now, they're not bothering to add vendor prefixes for browser-exclusive features

[@amoggoma430]

unless it's on ios, everything is safari under the hood

[@brujyyy]

wel it was the case but European regulations required apple to let other browsers not using Webkit under the hood

[@amoggoma430]

@@brujyyy good for them, sadly i'm not in the EU region

[@YdenMk-II]

I remember an Edge dev mentioning one of the final straws of scrapping the old edge engine was when Google made a change that made KZbin load slower in their engine.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Wow, that's very interesting

[@zeal9442]

@@EricMurphyxyz Alphabet Inc is so corrupt, it's unreal.

[@santi456852]

I use Firefox for this reason, but the developer tools are slow on big web pages that make me want to rip my eyes out

[@lukecwolf]

A decade ago, as a joke, I had that SpongeBob meme of Squidward saying the future is Chrome pinned next to my computer . I didn't think it would be real...

[@josephlore8636]

The good news is that all chromium browsers besides Chrome and Edge will still support manifest V2 extensions. The bad news is that all of those browsers has a low user base, so manifest V2 developers will have no incentive to maintain their extensions in the future.

[@cewla3348]

wait, what? they're forcing v3? the shitty prototype that's hell to develop with? (i've tried, and my extension was broken until i changed the version from 3 to 2 in my manifest.html)

[@ShockInazuma]

I mean, I've seen a lot of Brave users. I'm a Vivaldi user myself. And despite being told, I'm sure there's still plenty of Opera GX users.

[@hoomanbing]

They're probably not going to kill competition because if they did then they could be sued for Monopoly

[@hoovysimulator2518]

Correct! That is why they pay quite a lot to keep Firefox up (afaik it is just Firefox, as other Mozilla products ask for donations to keep them up). Also keeps Google as the default search engine (though to this again, what is the other option? SearX?).

[@nesterus83]

As far as browsers go nowadays I have _REALLY_ started to miss the old versions of Opera that still used their own presto engine especially now when everything is just a variations of chromium with little to no differences between them.

[@M3K1E]

The biggest problem is that some shopping and banking sites barely work or just don't work at all in Firefox

[@loendsti]

strange, they all work on firefox, in my computer., perks of living in one of the so called third world countries, where monopoly laws are actually applied, lol

[@samjiman]

I use LibreWolf and Brave myself.

[@wiwita63]

brave uses chromium, librewolf is based on firefox i think

[@samjiman]

@@wiwita63 LibreWolf is a fork of Firefox, so yes.

[@lucascamelo3079]

Abadom Brave, embrace libreWolf

[@jakez6851]

Mozilla Firefox all the way. 😊

[@destroyer4929]

I got a chrome ad during this video lol

[@nonoka5226]

Love your videos!

[@AnalyticMinded]

I was an early adopter of Firefox back in the day, but switched to Chromium-based in the last 5 years or so because it started giving me headaches. Right now I'm happily using Vivaldi since the devs have stated that they will resist Manifest V3. But if they lose the battle, I might just have to revert to Firefox... begrudgingly. Hopefully the US or the EU breaks up this monopoly somehow (will not hold my breath).

[@the_mastermage]

Once you go Vivaldi you can never go back. Its bad like realy bad.

[@TrentonMatthews]

you can always go the water fox route.

[@AnalyticMinded]

@@TrentonMatthews It's not the branding that bothers me. It's the performance and compatibility.

[@lucascamelo3079]

Firefox works pretty well for me. I have chome installed as a backup browser, but I don't even remember last time I used it.

[@yourdailytoilet5962]

⁠​⁠@@AnalyticMindedfirefox and the rest of it's forked browsers aren't even that slow unless you run 100 tabs daily and compatibility isn't that much of an issue either. The only time I won't use Firefox is if I'm lazy to dive deep into the settings or if Mozilla messes something up again for the 100th time.

[@kongstrong88]

Tbh I use Brave. I simply can't stand Firefox. Mostly because of it's UI but I also have a feeling that everytime I use it it slows down after a few days.

[@D.von.N]

Does it need clearing cache more often?

[@user-od4gs3iu4t]

every browser might become sluggish if you open 20+ tabs, and half of it yt. If you need a lot of tabs be ready to get enough RAM in your system, as well as a good processor with enough cache memory

[@hoovysimulator2518]

I use both on mobile. Mobile Firefox supports addons too, which Brave doesn't! Firefox just has an awful problem that it can't play videos with weird resolutions for some reason (and it isn't even consistent between devices!).

[@betag24cn]

after a week of suspending, i have to close it, yes

[@Gabriel70735]

It’s funny how I get a Google chrome ad in the middle of this vid😭😂

[@mrschoko565]

the thing is that opera gx just a chromium browser is with a few features and a breeze of Chinese government. I personally use the Brave Browser because it dose what it needs to do and it’s private as well. The best browsers are those that just do what they need to do.

[@fueledbycoffee583]

Developer here: we use chromium because its chewed work. We dont have to create a js engine, layour engine, renderer, and on top of that be compliant with the dozen of obscure APIs. Also yes, google make the shoots about features, but if you are making your own browser you fork and turn off what u dont need since most chromiun features are behind a feature flag so we have plenty of liberties regarding how chromiun behaves

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Yeah, I don't fault you at all for using Chromium. It's a great tool and definitely makes the job easier.

[@fueledbycoffee583]

@@EricMurphyxyz I do aknowledge some cool projects and even other big corporate backed alternatives like apple own webkit engine that powers safari. The problem wiith webkit is that IS HARD TO USE. We are a small team with limited R&D time and budget. so we need to go for a no brainer

[@loendsti]

@@fueledbycoffee583 SURF browser ( suckless ) has integrated webkit with almost zero budget. suckless is a german based software thingy / guys

[@44hd59]

Firefox uses less resources. That’s the reason I use it.

[@Ubaids_VMs]

chromium is not entirely base-less it's based on apple webkit which is ALSO based on ktml. so technically it shoud be "How *KTML* took over the world".

[@dupaihu]

I think servo is re-gaining the momentum though, there is active development going on.

[@damnthisisabadname]

I use firefox and it becomes harder to recommend each passing day

[@Mememaxing]

I use librewolf btw

[@Skelterbane69]

Floorp and librewolf gang

[@sprinklednights]

Computers and the internet should've not been accessible to normal people in my opinion.

says who? do you realize how much profit it made?

[@anon8510]

what makes you so outstanding, then?

[@sprinklednights]

@@anon8510 What do you mean?

[@sprinklednights]

It did, and I dislike that the internet and technology have been abused only for profit reasons

[@kuwandak]

​@@anon8510 the fact that he even knows that channel we're posting comments on

[@carylittleford8980]

I do like Firefox's tab handling. I synced my phone's open tabs after 2 years to my desktop firefox and asked it to open them... It asked 'Are you sure you want to open 5019 tabs?. I mean my phone's firefox was getting a little sluggish but 5019!. Glad firefox only loads the last viewed tabs contents :-) And I now know I have a terrible youtube and news 'i'll watch that later' problem ;-)

[@infinitivez]

"Will have to follow suit" ? huh? Unless Google is going closed source, or somehow embeds or obfuscates their switch to manifest V3, Brave will continue to support V2 base controls. There's already a host of things Brave specifically targets outside the Chromium norms. Not sure how this would be any different.

[@scarletsence]

Have been using Waterfox since your video about browsers. I know that i can just use Firefox and mess with configs little bit that way it would be better, but my lazy ass don't wants to engage with tons of configurations so i prefer casual Waterfox user friendly settings for that matter.

[@zircon7396]

That ending was briliant

[@APO1029]

Been using Firefox for over 15 years and not gonna stop anytime soon

[@Sithhy]

I would use Firefox as my browser of choice but I don't like how the theme I use on Brave/Chrome looks on it + the way it randomly throws around the synced tabs instead of keeping them in order like Brave does, makes me not want to use Firefox as each time I open tabs from one device on another they're scattered & I have to sort them, which get tirying really quickly

[@Prometheus_Alt]

As much as "screw Chromium", nobody really is as competent enough.

[@SeahamV2]

Question, when I log into something on Opera GX, does google know about this?....

[@itchylol742]

3 years ago, they said chrome would block adblockers next year. same as 2 years ago. same as 1 year ago.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Google pushed back the date after public backlash. Doesn't mean it's not happening

[@rahulterwade]

​@@EricMurphyxyz It's better to watch ads then to pay any amount of money, are you people stupid. This company's have to make money some how.

[@sebastiangonzales46]

​​@@rahulterwadewhy are you protecting a billion dollar company lmao

[@rahulterwade]

@@sebastiangonzales46 I am just giving my opinion, why does it matter if I "protect" or defend a small company or a big one

[@polyvg]

Phew! Not one browser, nor app, that was mentioned, do I use.

[@Manavine]

I'm using Floop. Might as well use something that's meant to be a bit more user friendly instead of hardened, but at the same time, is supported in a way that would work.