Pro-Shooter reacts to YouTuber reloading advice | Eagle Eye Shooting

[@JohnnysReloadingBench]

If you go back more than 2 or 3 years when you get to me, it doesn't count. I was extra dumb back then. I also constantly tell my audience I'm an idiot, so it's their own fault if they listen to me.

[@ErikCortina]

😂

[@FullSendPrecision]

Hahahha love you man. JRB is an entertainment channel, and one of the finest at that.

[@altruisticscoundrel]

Even during your pubescent phase, 2 or 3 years ago, I learn more. Thank you Johnny.

[@ErikCortina]

I’m gonna have to go checkout JRB. Reaction video coming up. 😁

[@Welder6131]

Love your stuff brother!

[@P.E.J.]

Im so glad you just didn´t trash the guy totally. I was affraid you just would bully him to hell but you actually showed him some respect. Good job!!

[@Physics072]

Because the guy was not wrong. Why would you be "Afraid" its not about you. A bit dramatic to go over the top with worry.

[@JR-lg7fd]

@@Physics072 Shut up, Bob. Take a fourth grade English course sometime.

[@chrisoutdoors8998]

I have been reloading for more than 40 years. I had to figure a lot of this stuff you're talking about on my own. Back then there was no KZbin to help a guy out. I could only read the little that was out there and figure the rest out with experimentation. After 40 years of reloading I'm still picking things up and I don't think any of us will ever know it all. I am thankful for all you who put things on KZbin to help others. I don't always agree with everything that's said but if I can pick up a tidbit I do agree with and it helps me be a better reloader I'm happy. So thanks again to all of you who share your knowledge.

[@charlesirby9222]

Outstanding comment with a refreshing attitude . . . all I can say is . . . ''DITTO''. Chris - "After 40 years of reloading I'm still picking things up and I don't think any of us will ever know it all." is true 'Wisdom'...keeping an open mind and having the willingness to 'experiment' & document the empirical evidence is everything. Whether it proves you right or wrong is not the bottom line...it is the fact that you learned something. . . . . charlie

[@williebulletman5217]

Great commitment I enjoyed reading it thank you

[@luvtahandload7692]

Chris Outdoors Thumbs up for that! Close to 40 years for me as well. Matter-of-fact, been reloading for almost as long as I've been subscribed to Shooting Times and Handloader magazines. 😃

[@hank3152]

Yeah, I’m going on 50+ reloading since I started in ‘68 and am old school at neck sizing but after seeing Erik’s video on FL and bullet seating it changed my ways after improving my groups from .38MOA to .28MOA and often smaller. I take what Erik says to the bank...... you can teach on old dog new tricks

[@anythingoutdoors7034]

I have been reloading for 30 years and always felt that if I stop learning I am going to stop reloading because that’s when mistakes can happen more often complacency gets people hurt you can ask 100 people how they do a task and will get 100 different ways but some are more effective and wear less on equipment

[@birder4life999]

Quote of the day! "Feel isn't a measurement!" With your permission I will be using that quote with my highschool science students when we go over quality of arguments /evidence.

[@ErikCortina]

😂 Please do! Lol

[@PatrickJDaley]

Thank you Erik. As a seasoned gunsmith and precision hand loader I fully agree with your methods. Many hours of testing have taught me what works and what steps matter in your prep and assembly. I'm not nearly as OCD as I once was! Also loved the video on "chasing the lands"! Keep up the great vids!

[@JacobTerherst]

Anything I do that has to be perfect in every way, I use Harbor Freight tools...

[@theshootindutchman]

Hahaaaaa😄

[@user-yr1dp7kr8g]

Exactly!! The equipment failure was his HF calipers.

[@danielsekera3525]

@@user-yr1dp7kr8g yes!!! I just saw this video yesterday and even before all the movement in his die I was like get rid of those fing cheap ass calipers and take real measurements

[@albertthesecond210]

Real precision demands using plastic Chinese vernier calipers!!

[@brazzy1467]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@hawknives]

Erik...you and Eagle Eye both have good points. Thank You! I've even seen him go against his previous videos, after learning that what he thought, wasn't actually the best way of dong things. We are thankful, for all experiments, that you guys perform, with weapons. Thank You!

[@laatjie]

Let’s grow this channel guys. Erik has a proven track record and nothing he will share is hearsay, speculation or copied from another channel. What he does in the reloading room and behind the rifle elevated him to the top of this game. This is what our sport need! I am not a social media warrior but I’m all in to incentivize him to create content, that can be trusted.

22:45 I only found your channel a week ago. It is very humbling to know that there's a person out there that is as busy as you are that is willing to give up a substantial amount of his time to try and help out whoever is willing to watch and listen. The fact that you're one of the very top long range shooters in the country if not the world makes this even more amazing. God bless you and may all your groups be small and centered.

[@Swactionworks]

Thanks for taking the time to make this!!!! The reloading community needs more guys like you!

[@Joel-vt9mh]

Eric, I am fairly new to reloading (less than 2 years). So, please keep them coming!! All the best!

[@TheFlanman10]

Notice the cracked brass when he was bumping them back! HAHAHA

[@gregorydelvalle7740]

Great Detective work on EES video. I gained more respect for you through your character in this video than your knowledge. Keep up the good work and the manner you present your content. We don’t need to see you degrade another YTuber for entertainment as others may suggest, we come to you bc we want to be educated in a professional manner. Thank you for having integrity and keeping your channel “family-friendly” so other younger shooters can watch without cringing. 👍🏼😀

[@wilfdarr]

"You can anneal it, it'll be fine." I'm stealing that.

[@toddfez]

For everything messed up at work I'm using that phrase.

[@qedsteve]

First time I saw the video from "Eagle Eye" I thought the guy was being too casual about this whole "feel thing." The FIRST tool I bought when starting to load for 6.5PRC was the comparator. 0.002 "bump" is a real thing that can be measured and can be achieved repeatedly. Now if I could only reduce my coffee consumption, I'm sure my groups would really tighten up!

[@mikekopmanis2099]

Erik, you are spot on. Looks like the shoulder variation is there because the die to g is not tight. I'm only 51 but have loaded for over 36 yrs and was of the old era of neck sizing. I was bushing neck sizing with the occasional fliers I could never pin down. I found your post with the F-Class and bench shooters and it opened my eyes. I tried full length bump sizing and bushing sizing necks. With my 40X 308 shooting from a bag, I just shot a 0.030" spread 4-shot group at 100yds, the best I've ever shot. Fun is factory other than being bedded. I'm sold and am trying it with all my other calibers. If you've some anything, you've at least helped me. Thanks!

[@perrydegouveia5403]

Biggest issue with his test, his extractor and firing pin are still in the bolt body. He is not feeling the case, he is feeling the resistance of the firing pin and the extractor pressing on the back of the case. He is using a Thompson Centre rifle which activates the firing pin when opening the bolt. This is besides everything else he spoke about. I have seen this method used before correctly and it is done correctly, the bump is usually 1 - 2 thou anyway.

[@iBleedStarsAndBars]

Keep them coming Mr.Cortina. I have been reloading about 10 years for hunting applications, but I love shooting groups in the off season. The smaller the better, (Thats not what she said)

[@robburton3255]

I'm so glad you noticed that die moving! That was going to burn a hole in my soul if that wasn't talked about. I would bet the majority of his deviation is coming from that die moving around so much. Great video and thank you for not trashing the guy. I'm sure his heart is in the right place.

[@PileofBrass]

I've become a big fan of Eric's and am learning a lot by his guidance. I really appreciate his approach to this guy, giving him respect but correcting his errors. Good job Eric.

[@frankkalisz7455]

I bump size using the Redding “Competition” Shell Holders because that allows me to get full contact on the shell holder when pull handle on my rockchucker. And I of course use my comparator to measure everything. That said, I will certainly want to see how you bump size because I am always very interested in learning good ideas. Thank you for this video commentary!!

[@frankkalisz7455]

Can of Beans that’s a bummer your Shellholders weren’t correct. Mine are correct but thank you. I can only suggest contacting Redding because they do have typical lifetime warranty. Good luck to you

[@frankkalisz7455]

I just measured my Redding “Competition” shell holders with my Mitutoyu dial type caliper. Measurements were from bearing surface for base of brass - to bearing surface contacting press piston. My measurements seem exactly what they are supposed to be. Standard 0.125” + 002: 0.123” + 004: 0.121” + 006: 0.119” + 008: 0.117” + 010: 0.115” For my 308 Forster “Benchrest” full length sizing die and for my 308 factory rifle, I use the +008 holder to get a bump measuring typically between 0.001” and 0.002”

[@wildcat_reloading]

But mechanically he's still bumping the shoulder, but without measuring

[@gristlepounder]

I "felt" like I won an F class match one time, turns out I didn't. Pesky numbers always getting in the way! :)

[@ErikCortina]

😂

[@tasunko7672]

I don't shoot competitively, but I demand the best accuracy from the rifles I use for varmint hunting that I can get. One hole groups at 100 yards is pretty good, under

[@loulenlensing7044]

@Erik Cortina all the way from South Africa. Thanks for this. Using your method and not only improved group size but man makes your life 100 times easier!!!!

[@newcreation2521]

I've tried both methods and they both provide good enough accuracy for me, 1 MOA or better, but I definitely prefer the .002" shoulder bump. Some of my dies using standard shell holders don't let me bump the shoulder but full length resizing almost always gives me the same results, 1 MOA or better, which is no longer an especially high standard. So I if I can't readily and easily bump the shoulder I don't care. Great vid as usual. I really like Erik's attitude, and always have.

[@dustyrhodes1655]

Great video....I agree something is wrong with his equipment. Eagle Eye/Kenny is very competent and knowledgeable. I'm sure he will learn from this.

[@watchjaredwork1487]

Holy crap. I’ve been subbed to this channel for a long time and this notification just popped up and I realized who you are 😂 only been subbed to Texas Barndominiums since you started working with Matt!

[@ErikCortina]

😁

[@richardmattix5322]

THANK YOU ERIK I AM NOT A SHOOTER WITH A LOT OF EXPERIENCE HOWEVER HE JUST RUBBED ME THE WRONG WAY.

[@briansupermag3918]

Love kenny from desert precision. His builds are amazing

[@millerslaw]

I watched some of his videos and they had me itching my head. Thanks for the response video to ease my confusion (I like to think I'm always learning but don't want to go about it wrong either).

[@dipasquale1963]

I thought you did an outstanding job refuting his claims without being a jerk and that is hard to find these days. Once I see someone being an ass I move on regardless of their credentials. Also, I respect Eagle Eye getting out there and making a video. Discussion like this leads to better results by all. Well done. Btw, I FLS, bump 2 thou and have no idea how far I am from the lands. LOL

[@PS-rr2jt]

I’ve loaded tens of thousands of handgun rounds, but relatively new to rifle loading. I’m curious why you aren’t concerned with your bullet jump. I’m only asking because I want to learn.

[@wilfdarr]

@@PS-rr2jt Sam Millard over at Panhandle said "My most accurate barrel spent the last half of its life shooting Berger hybrids and VLDs that were jumping .200" [two tenths of an inch] to the lands". I don't think it's that they're not concerned, it's that it varies so greatly for every rifle that maybe it's not worth going into too deeply. "Test in or out and see which one works better". Also, the above example is extreme: if you watched that David Tubb part, he said .010" out up to .050" in; .200" is 4 times that maximum amount, so just food for thought.

[@keyman1969b]

Damn dude. First time viewer. Highly impressed with your knowledge and that you didn't immediately call this guy a fool.

[@rodneydavis8110]

Thank you Eric for giving us all help, I find your honesty refreshing, your help invaluable

[@gregorydelvalle7740]

CAN YOU DO a video “Showing” what equipment you have and use to reload with. Maybe a Affliate link to those products on your video description as another way to monetize your videos. Buying the same exact equipment you use will greatly increase the same results in reloading outcome for us I imagine. 👍🏼

[@ouruiz]

If you are talking about Erik's equipment, then plan on spending a lot of money. His powder dispenser (prometheus) starts off at $5100.

[@rider547]

Nice work Erik! I’m so glad I found your channel. Very informative and interesting. Keep up the good work!

[@EverydayReloadingandShooting]

I see this was made three years ago, and I’m sure you’ve grown since then, but you were talking about the time it takes to make the videos and it looked like you edit them yourself. You may have already done this by now since I’m just seeing this video three years after it was made, but you might want to think about hiring a video editor. My guess is you have done that already, given the growth of your channel. Thank you for what you do. Keep going! Love and appreciate the content.

[@MichaelJHanousek]

That’s good Thank You for taking the time.

[@jeffpierce2712]

Brother, I'm binging your videos. Basically a meat hunter and lover of firearms. Hobby reloader with an emphasis on accuracy. I reload for several different hunting rifles and pistols made for different jobs from single shots to revolvers to automatics. Keep doing what you do. You're gonna have a million subs before you know it. Thank you for the videos.

[@jimv005]

Eric, you are a great teacher and ambassador to our sport/hobby... love your content!

[@ErikCortina]

Thank you

[@njgrplr2007]

It's strange that Eagle Eye cites David Tubb's jamming bullets into the lands and completely ignores Tubb's long time advocacy of bumping the shoulder back .002".

[@S5Locks]

awesome

[@wilfdarr]

Well, considering David Tubb didn't advocate jamming the bullets all the time, it all makes sense 😉

[@njgrplr2007]

@@wilfdarr Tubbs has been advocating for bumping the shoulder .002-.003" in multiple videos going back to the 1970s. The oldest video I saw with him mentioning it was "High Power Rifle Reloading," which was recently restricted by Sierra Bullets on KZbin. A quick search this morning found a more recent video where Tubbs again advocates for bumping the shoulder. See kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3S4lHybltBqea8 at around 3:00 minutes.

[@wilfdarr]

@@njgrplr2007 ha ha ha yes yes I know. I see how you read what I wrote but that's not what I meant to say! I meant "that's not what he said about jamming the bullets", not the other way around. I fixed it to be more intuitive.

[@derherr65]

No where in the video did I ever see TWO WRENCHES to tighten the jam nut securely while holding the die in position. Not by the press, not behind the guy, not left of the chair, not on the shelf under the loader, not one the tray below the table. I can't remember ever adjusting a die without having wrenches out from start to until after a final test with everything fully tightened - and this is on a progressive with replaceable plates. If I had a single stage those wrenches would live in a purpose made holder directly on or under or the press. I wonder if he's hand tightening dies to get that wobble and 30 thou variance? (In the accuracy video a year later wrenches are out, I guess he learned!)

[@curtissiwak5349]

Thanks for taking the time to post videos, very helpful

[@steverichardson934]

Thank you Erik, hopefully you have shown him the light. Alot of chuckles

[@shadorourke8955]

I’ve been bumping shoulders back 2 thousands for years now. I use Redding type s fl bushing dies on my long rage and hunting rifles and it’s never felled me yet. Look forward to the next video Erik.

[@jamespollard1670]

It's interesting to hear both sides . There is always more to learn even though I have loaded for over 40 years .

[@tyler6147]

I saw a video not long ago where two old school lumberjack's had a competition about who's chainsaw was sharper and more effective. Both were much better than a factory chain, but one was A LOT better than the other. They both had been sharpening saws a long time too. Beware of the guy that thinks he has nothing left to learn.

[@aberhan]

I agree with your assessment, the sizing die is built for resizing brass, the bolt and rifle chamber is not.

[@impactaustria]

I've read somewhere, that the firing pin pushes the case to full shoulder-chamber contact anyways, upon or prior to ignition, helping to center things up (unless a jammed bullet prevents that movement from happening). I'm wodering if the timing really works out that way.

[@ErikCortina]

I believe that to be true. It’s only 0.002” anyway.

[@gregoryfulton6721]

If you have a maximum chamber and you full lenth resize even just bumping the shoulder back .002 you will have . 002 of shoulder clearance but your body clearance will be much more. Neck sizing for the same bolt rifle is a pretty standard practice.

[@rickyburkett4009]

He has the hornady lock and load collet setup on his press. I had similar issues with sizing cases on my press with that hornady kit. Since then I've gone back to the standard thread and die itself and have had no issues I'm consistently bumping my shoulders back .002. I also use the mec marksman press

[@evoevil124]

I watch a lot of videos, this is not the first from EE that I called BS on.

[@lelenbates3367]

He is using Harbour Freight digital calipers. What is the repeatable accuracy with these using guage blocks of varying lengths. To be precise you must use precise tools that have been calibrated to a known standard. It may be accurate at one length but not others.

[@marsbaker614]

Like I always say "There are people with experience and people with opinions. Listen to one, smile at the other."

[@MegaGouch]

Would love to see a video of your reloading process, the equipment you use, and why you use that particular equipment/what advantage comes from special equipment. Your smallest group video showing the CPS, hydro press and Prometheus has me intrigued.

[@terrycalvert7812]

Love your videos would really like to see a start to finish load video from brass prep to seating bullets and some groups I know you got those tight lil big holes share that knowledge brother I’ll keep watching

[@ErikCortina]

If people show Interest in the channel, I’ll do it.

[@loadmastergod]

I had the audio going when you were reading with the music and I thought you made a rap video about reloading

[@Adcomb]

Thanks for the content Eric, keep up the great work

[@kevinsmith9513]

You can get that variance using calipers and applying more/less pressure taking measurements.

[@danielmorrow6165]

A great video and many lessons learned. Having said that, I can tell from how the sizing lube was applied to his brass why his bump numbers are erratic- lube is on the shoulder and that’s causing the inconsistency. Lube the neck and the baby, never the shoulder, keep it dry for better results.

[@Lexidezi225]

Thank you for the info and being respectful to the man 😂😂.

[@TMS5100]

@6:19 same. never found concentricity to be a measurable factor in groups.

[@gwainivorsson7671]

Great stuff Erik, keep it coming.

[@tadeloach22]

I was really hesitant to watch this video as I disliked alot of the negative comments I was reading on the video beforehand, but I am glad I went on and watched it. I learned alot from watching it. I appreciate the way you discussed what you disagreed with him without absolutely flaming him like some of the comments (I don't think flaming comments help anyone, just like the comment he made at the end of his video.). Thanks for the constructive way you pointed out the issues you had!

[@airborne350g]

I was having inconsistencies with my Hornady LnL quick change bushings. I could see the die move up and down. Since moving to the Zero press I have zero issues.

[@indyvin]

It appears that Eagle Eye is using the Hornady quick release insert on his press. That is where the play comes from. They use a rubber O-ring. I use them on my progressive for pistol reloading, but never on a single stage for precision rifle. I saw the movement of the die, and quickly got rid of them on the single stage.

[@5napperlicious]

I use the Hornady bushings and don't get anywhere close to that much play. His variation was terrible for any press. I get 0.001" variation with Lapua brass on a Hornady AP press using the bushings, and 80% of the cases measure the exact same with the comparator. It's definitely something else!

[@cullenmiller8170]

I just found your other channel today. I really enjoy your business one. I really don’t know anything about guns, but I will totally agree with you on feel is no measurement. Also if I really be concerned with accuracy I might not buy my measuring devices at Harbor Freight. The old adage of you get what you pay for comes to mind. I’m a heavy equipment mechanic by trade and on older equipment close enough was good enough. I can use a business card to set the ring and pinion gear in a final drive and it feels good or I can use a dial indicator to measure the gear lash to verify.

[@lukefenech]

Hello from Australia! One point Eric for your subscribers and people new to precision loading to maybe consider: Correct and consistent use of callipers in a repetitive or "production-line" type process such as hand-loading relies on consistent pressure or "feel" on the closing force of the callipers. Unless you are using the tension ratchet feature found on some precision measuring tools (like some vernier-scale micrometers for example {and even these features have their problems such as the need for perfect axial alignment of the part being measured to the anvil and spindle of the micrometer}), the variability of "feel" is not removed from the process of measurement. I use the same "shoulder set-back technique as Eric (but with not as much shooting skill) with good results as do many others. I would hope that people don't get the idea that if you put a set of vernier callipers into the hands of an untrained user, the problem of the inconsistency of feel goes away. It's easy to muscle a difference of several thousandths into your calliper measurement with your thumb. Using callipers is a skill very much incorporating feel and improving with attention and practice. I take it for granted because of 30 years of practice with precision measuring tools but watching this reminded me that in the beginning, I needed to be taught about feel. Stay safe and thank you for taking the time to teach us! You are an inspiration! Luke.

[@steveroehlk8799]

Keep the content coming. Thank you.

[@mmmmmark9751]

I am starting to like Eric's content a lot. I am beginning LR shooting and have jumped in the deep end a bit. Fortunately a lot of YT watching has saved me from most early errors, and I believe that I am starting out in the right direction so to speak. I am also going to start posting vids of my progress from an amateur's point of view, which I hope will be motivating for others, although I strongly recommend watching the professionals like Eric.

[@raythemanroe]

I don't always agree on everything Erik prescribes to but he is a 100% correct on this. You can add reasons to why you want to full length size.

[@johnsimonelli9988]

I think I'm a Love and let Live kinda guy. Eagle Eye Shooting is a passionate guy and I appreciate that. Erik I think you are a smart guy and I think you meant no harm. Personally if I can't say something good about someone then I say nothing at all.

[@ErikCortina]

Video wasn’t about him, it was about his method. No disrespect meant towards him at all.

[@johnsimonelli9988]

@@ErikCortina I agree with you. You asked what I thought and I answered. God Bless.

[@willway9378]

Master Yoda, there is no feel. There is only measure! I'd like to see the Eric "Yoda" Cortina t shirt. I can't wait for your next video. Thanks so much!

[@fps079]

To his credit Eagle Eye Shooting put it out there. What makes this a learning experience is that we learned there is more than one way to do it. But using a measurement instead of "feel" will bring repeatability and better understanding. So that is the way I am going.

[@36736fps]

I agree that the sizing die is moving too much, because it has an O-ring between the die lock ring and the press. That means the die can move both vertically and laterally before it jams against the threads in the press. This movement will not be uniform for each case. I do not like the O-ring setup or Hornady's LNL for precision reloading, but they are OK for other reloading. Erik - what brand of sizing dies do you use? Are they made by the gunsmith that chambers your barrels?

[@sawhill729]

Hope we get more of these. Watched it twice. Great video.

[@mtnbiker310]

Nice video. I liked that you linked in that short clip of David Tubb from the Long Range Shooters of Utah channel. When it came up, I thought, 'Hey, I've seen that video".

[@tommywinthrop3429]

Ive never had that much variance when bumping back the shoulder. Although different brands of brass gives a higher amount of variance but not .030 of a inch.

[@MrSGL21]

@ 9:51 i just spotted the problem. he's using a harbor fraught digital caliper. thats why he's got variance all over the place. the problem's not the brass its the cheap shitty chicom digital caliper.

[@jameskliewer5809]

Thanks, Erik. You are very generous to share your knowledge, experience, and time with the shooting community on YT. More info is always better, and every viewer will decide for himself what he wants to do. But "to get my results, you've got to do what I do" is still true. Showing on-target results with valid group sizes (5, 10, or 20 shots) is "proof" enough.

[@IMPACTSHOOTING]

I enjoyed this, PS, I see a silver play button behind you. Do you have another channel?

[@IMPACTSHOOTING]

Never mind, you answered it later in the vid. Congrats on two successful channels!

[@tyler6147]

@@IMPACTSHOOTING I just found out too that he was a builder by trade. I only knew this when Demolition Ranch's other channel Off The Ranch dropped a video with Erik in it. LOL. This answers how he affords all the cool guns and stuff. LOL

[@ErikCortina]

😂

[@raymondpeterson5748]

Thanks. I've looked at Eagle Eye to get started and although he got me in the ballpark as I had a really hard bolt, I did not like his arrogance (I'm just right accept it and move on). Did find it odd that he did not post a vid of him shooting and his groups,.

[@bobvi5490]

At 14:48, This guy wants to cam the bolt lugs so tightly that the case ”swages” into the chamber. Wouldn’t that be dangerous? It allows nothing as a gap between the breech face and the head of the cartridge (in terms of the concept and derivation of the term “headspace”) yielding inadequate headspace. Elsewhere, also misused, or created, the term “over-headspaced.” Should I go over to his video and fill out a “hurt feelings form“?

[@williamwatkins9509]

Thanks for all you do for the shooting community!!

[@michaelshuey1614]

Variance in alloys from case to case effects the amount of spring back NOT expansion. ALL brass, no matter what it’s alloy content cannot resist full expansion under 50-60,000 psi.

[@DimaProk]

I have to say, I am impressed how professional your reaction was, also I am glad you posted this video as I learned something new.

[@richardmiller4657]

I love watching and learning from you Erik. Thanks

[@brockpohlner6426]

Erik, you agreed that upon the first initial firing that you cannot use the cartridge base to shoulder datum measurement of that fired cartridge as an accurate indication of the chamber size and that you can use a full length sizing die installed long so that it is only sizing the neck and the body partially and not contacting the shoulder to set it back. What I’m interested to hear from you is at what point you decide that the cartridge is suitably fire formed to the chamber that you will now size the cases with 0.002” bump? It comes across as if you’re not bumping the shoulder at all after the first firing?

[@ErikCortina]

It depends on pressure. Some times I can’t load the brass back in chamber after first firing. You can always measure it even if it’s not fully formed. I’ll show how to do that.

[@brockpohlner6426]

I look forward to your insight.

[@vicpinto1970]

Looks like he is using the Hornay L-N-L bushings. I have the same issue when I use mine - the bushing lifts up about 1/16" with a FL resizing dies when the press cams over. I no longer use the Hornady L-N-L bushings.

[@danielbaker8487]

Erik, in regards to his .030 variance in sizing and his die moving.... I believe this is due to him using a hornady LnL adapter. I started with hornady presses a few years ago and recently began noticing this movement. Every die in a lock and load setup moves like this. I discussed it with a friend of mine and he pointed out that the lugs on the die adapter index on the lugs on the press adapter. Although that makes sense to some degree, i am still extremely skeptical. Due to these concerns I will be acquiring a new press in the near future.

[@mattchilders3123]

When you spoke about his die moving at the 20.27 time period, I had been using the 6.5 guys recommendation of putting one of those rubber round seals on the bottom of my dies and it did this exactly. I couldn't get any consistent results on bumping my should back while using that green o-ring. Removed it and then it measured exactly the same for each case.

[@Sw00per_actual]

If you used the Hornady lock -n- load adaptors you can get some movment due to the O ring in my experience

[@1300nessie]

Your information and time is much appreciated.

[@chicowize]

It’s good to see differences in opinions & techniques. I’m always saying what works for one may or may not work for some or all. I’m still a new Reloader myself (2 plus years) & I take away all the information I absorb & attempt to put it to work to see if it makes or breaks my process. Erik I hit the like button can’t wait to see the video once this one hits 5k likes. Thanks for sharing

[@mervmahon6675]

Ever since I watched your seating depth video my accuracy has improved ten fold

[@greasemonkeyviking384]

Great video and I respect you for being very professional when it's hard to not be! lol. Hats off to you Erik

[@josephmokszycke1793]

Eric, I'm very impressed on with the class you had to respectfully disagree with the man, A quality not often seen in this format unfortunately. I can attest to the risk you run with undersizing brass in a rifle as i ruined my first ar bolt. By the time I saw the smearing of the rear bolt lugs, i found my headspace had grown an excess of .010"(i originally did not own a headspace gauge). Fortunately some educated friends in the hobby showed me the error of my ways. Keep up the great content!!

[@sawhill729]

This was great. Wish you would have continued with the series.

[@robleo69]

I've been doing Eric's methods for over 20 years. It just works. Thanks for posting Eric 👍

[@motox103]

With the firing pin installed in the bolt, you will be feeling the cocking of the spring plus the friction of the lugs and case head to bolt face. that is a lot to feel. I bet if he does it with 3 different cases he will have 3 different measurements.

[@rout9291]

Thanks for the knowledge! Looking forward to the video so I can double check my set up!