The Fanatec CSL DD Is NOT What You Thought [FULL REVIEW]

[@MrJordenjoris]

“Smoother than the DD1”. Love the new gen base, but let me quickly cry in a corner with my dd1 xD

[@Ermz]

At least you have that badass Michelin next to your name!

[@X2R_Aquila]

I'll gladly take it off your hands!

[@M4rkV3n0m]

Still not better - FW updates will help us along and in the end the differences are a matter of setup I am sure. the CSL DD might be coming out of the box better defaulted. Meh.

[@trojbcc]

First world problems :-)

[@beautifulbeaner]

@@M4rkV3n0m DD1 owner addicted to copiom

[@thomassmith4999]

I'll never understand how these guys can make such fancy wheels and still to this day have the worst online shop on this planet. How.. why.

[@okkeboonstra4587]

What is so bad about their shop I seem to never have any problems

[@Skippernomnomnom]

@@okkeboonstra4587 I legit do not understand what all I need to complete this kit/what all is compatible. For example, I think the WRC wheel works with this. But, it doesn't show up when I use their configuration

[@thomassmith4999]

@@okkeboonstra4587 Its just crazy, you can't buy the things you want without having things you don't want. Like.. I just want a wheel that runs on PC and PS5 and clutch/load cell pedals. They firstly never have stock of the Playstation kit without the silly F1 style wheel and you can't get that with the Load cell pedals. And the wheels don't show up as William said, it's a mess. It's just impossible without spending double the money for a bunch of junk you don't want. Even worse than that last year I had some things in the cart on black Friday and I never could check out, wasted the entire day trying.

[@davidhowarth3036]

Yes!! Finally someone else noticed. Far too convoluted.

[@mikeymouse2]

It's horrible

[@theonlyegg]

There's almost nothing I want to hear more on a Monday morning at work than you saying "better than the DD1." Cannot wait until mine ships. Thanks, mate!

[@MissedApproachMagpie]

Hahahaha me too bro me too 🙏🙏

[@randoeboy]

When do you get yours? I have to wait till end of november

[@theonlyegg]

@@randoeboy I was 2nd wave, Sept 20th.

[@randoeboy]

@@theonlyegg sick

[@cristian51]

i tried it today and its mindblowing!

[@gamingtype4]

Just a note - the three pronged plug is UK not North America - but a great review none the less

[@aitortillasfrias7280]

When most reviews are comparing it to the DD1 and the DD2, and not the T-GT or T300 or CSL Elite. It means that it is an infinitely superior product, and that it will be an incredible leap for ordinary fans. Without having to mortgage your house to enjoy it to the fullest.

[@High.on.Life_DnB]

Well that's also because all those other wheels you mentioned aren't direct drive wheels. But I'm sure people have compared DD wheels with non DD wheels before.

[@CalculatedRiskAK]

@@High.on.Life_DnB Those non-dd wheels are near this one's price bracket, though, which is why it is a valid comparison.

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

@@CalculatedRiskAK and you still can. according to many, it's not that superior to csl elite or tm alternative. You get a tiny bit more smoothness (and possibly detail) while offering a bit ffb power.

[@mrmidnight32]

Don’t forget with review units and when reviewers work with companies. They also have contractural talking point retirements for their reviews. So that may also be why you’re not seeing specific things mentioned or compared. It could just be how they want their product reviews structured for their intended markets. Doesn’t always mean is just superior. There is a lot of legal behind the scenes with product reviews from sponsored channels and review units.

[@AC-wl7ve]

in fairness this thing did cost me over 2 grand (cad) by the times i added a wheel, pedals, and had it shipped.

[@fan2hd277]

I think its great news because now game developers will focus more on DD force feedback instead of trying to acccomodate everyone. Raceroom showed the way lately because at least with an SC2 Pro its the best feeling of all now. I bet they already have a DD1 replacement in the making because you just need more headroom to avoid clipping.

[@spillwill72]

Hey Ermin, great job on everything you do. I noticed in this video, you're a a bit shy of what this servo is capable of. Clipping and loss of fidelity only happens if the green clip flat lines. Up and down spikes can exceed the top line here and there and you will still have the all the nuances given. Fantastic job as always my man.

[@Space-O-2001]

The combination of my pigeon starved arms and coming from a G920 plus the heaviness of most modern cars steering makes this an awesome upgrade - might even be light enough to mount on the Playseat Challenge.

[@SimRacersArms]

Great review with good honest reactions, can't wait for October & mine to be delivered (with boost), thank you for the review 👍😀

[@-racingfan2014]

I think sabotaging their own high end is a smart thing because those who bought it may have reason to buy another Fanatec product while otherwise they would have kept their base for years. If they improve higher end with this new motor is probably the next step. Hopefully first though a 10-12 version cheaper than dd1.

[@daviddanser8011]

CSW DD very likely

[@KyleP133]

Additionally, I think the converse is probably the more important part - they didn't intentionally hamper this wheelbase for the sake of protecting their own high end wheelbases.

[@sephiroth4543]

@@daviddanser8011 8- 12 nm torque would be perfect

[@virtualawakening2299]

I TRULY HOPE (beyond hope) that a NEW 12Nm power supply will become available for the CSL DD. lol. Pipe dream, eh? but my CSL DD doesn't even get hot, so maybe (squeezes sphincters to oblivion) (However, I have my driver at 70% and ACC below 60%, so I have a LONG way to go to max out 8Nm, and I'll be too old to want it. lol (*cough) "you young whippersnappers!"

[@ThBlueSalamander]

​@@KyleP133they did do that and I'm sure this thing is even capable of outputting way more with its efficiency as shown.

[@jaydendixon7300]

I guess I should wait for the next gen of DD1 as I was planning on picking one up, but if this is better the new DD1 should be game changing

[@virtualawakening2299]

Look at the Asetek Invicta! Holy Sh#%!!! It has such a fast slew rate, it warps you into the future!

[@telb60]

Total agree with the website comment. Waiting for my CLS DD Bundle to arrive on Monday.

[@madhaz3359]

Mine arrived a couple of weeks ago , I'm sure you will love it , I can't get off it! :D

[@VishnuRajam4x4]

Ermin actually acknowledged the existence of iRacing.... He’s come a long way. Lol

[@RingoFreakingStarr]

I've really felt like over the years each firmware update to the DD1/2 has further removed the "notchyness" you feel under low FFB situations ESPECIALLY the more recent beta drivers. I feel like most people that complain about the DD1/2 feeling notchy use really dated firmware versions.

[@mrmidnight32]

Even from the intro there was no chance this was going to be negative review. This guy was fan boying over this thing before he even opened the box lol

[@sheldonhall4572]

Im upgrading my entire setup from a Logitech G29 to the CSL DD with the boost pack, universal hub and pedals with the brake dampening upgrades. I'm pretty excited to hear that It will be worth the near $1200+ shipping for the new setup.

[@toastytoast1890]

Got the same wheel and looking to upgrade to a CSL DD. Do you have any updates? I know they're still on preorder

[@79ramo]

It's the first time i watch your video...i was lokkiing for the review of the DD. But now i want to follow you on KZbin.... You are a beast, i like how you drive and speak at the same time😱😱💪

[@slowride7164]

For those wondering this weighs half the weight of a DD1 and the Thrustmaster T500rs (which I own as well) is half the weight of the CSL DD. I love my DD1 but if your not training and doing track days at you really dont need a DD1. You can add this to a rig build that folds up to put out of the way for less than what a DD1 and wheel cost. The DD1 does NOT come with a wheel. The wheel rims are not cheap either.

[@jeffreyreynaert9279]

How does it compare with the T500? Thinking of replacing mine with a CSL DD

[@systemxracing3493]

There will be a new dd1 with that same motor style and it will be epic. It's the center drive motor and carbon shaft that translates better than most. Just wait until theres more power with that design.

[@simtherapy9533]

Yo just stop working out at the gym and 8 NM is perfect!

[@jinx20001]

i noticed a few changes with the CSL DD that were made on the sneak, the DD1/2 rubber is gone, a potential solution to the flexing issues, many reviewers now have actually said its a bit smoother aswell... another downside of the DD1/2 when compared to competing bases... its like... its like its a little bit too good, i bet if it had a fan built in it would far surpass that 8nm without issue aswell. i recently went from a DD1 to a simucube 2 pro and it was quite the eye opening upgrade actually, so bloody smooth and pin sharp quick so no regrets there but i have to give fanatec credit where its due, this is excellent for our hobby and with the inclusion of the QR2 which i can only imagine will knock the socks off the QR1 its going to be one hell of a sim racing tool.

[@MissedApproachMagpie]

Why would a quick release be so impactful. If people are buying entry level dd at $400 what makes you think they have 5 wheels to interchange to be greatly impacted by QR2? Is there something I’m missing?

[@jinx20001]

@@MissedApproachMagpie well yes... you are missing the part where I said flexing issues. The flexing issues are directly caused by the current quick release due to the natural tolerance required in order to be able to get the wheel on and off, if there was no tolerance you wouldn't be able to remove the wheel reasonably easy so this quick release design means there is a gap, a gap means there is wiggle room, some wheels are worse than others due to the variance in that tolerance which is why some people have bad flex and some people minimal flex. Flex is particularly bad for a direct drive because you are taking away its main advantage over belt and cog wheels, belt driven wheels for example feel more dampened than direct drives because when the motor moves and the belts take up the slack before delivering it to your hands through the wheel, the belts are very tight but there is still that minor slack in the system meaning the feedback is not instant and direct. A direct drive has no belts and cogs and the wheel is connected directly to the motor so there should be no slack... that is unless you have flexing in the quick release which will soak up some of that power before it reaches your hands. Fanatec has one of the smartest and yet worst quick release designs on the market, its super smart because it allows wireless wheels that can be powered by the base meaning you get all the benefits of a wireless system, with none of the negatives like wheels having battery life and limited button inputs over a Bluetooth module but on the other hand it's one of the worst because it lacks solidarity and relies on fragile pins to do the wireless magic. Hope that explains it.

[@bigredracingteam9642]

@@jinx20001 The tolerance issues are because of cheaper manufacturing - the tighter the tolerance, the more expensive it will be to produce.

[@jinx20001]

@@bigredracingteam9642 well im not so sure about that, due to the design there has to be some tolerance, wheels are already pretty tough to take on and off the wheelbase, if the tolerances were any tighter it would make the quick release aspect really difficult, its just not the best QR design really, the rubber is suppose to help with flex by closing that gap in the tolerance when squashed but because its rubber it still has movement in it so its just not great in general as a QR solution and fanatec know it enough they are looking to change it.

[@nortski78]

I am sooooo stoked for mine to arrive now! Any chance you can so a video on the best FFB settings for the various sims? :)

[@MikeDavidis]

November ain't that far!

[@Sithhy]

He already has made such a video

[@nortski78]

@@Sithhy for this DD?

[@Sithhy]

@@nortski78 No, not this particular one but DD's in general. The settings & values should apply to the CSL DD as well but will most likely need to be scaled down linearly to match the weaker torque of it

[@mirano15]

The British are going to riot after you called our electrical plugs 'American'.

[@puza1274]

I’m fuming after he said that. They don’t even look similar

[@Daz555Daz]

He should be forced to stand on an upturned one as penance for his crime.

[@Pablosammy1]

There's not many things for us Brits to be proud of these days, but our plugs are definitely one of them! 😂

[@jonnyscott10]

Yeah ngl that one stung 😂

[@irodragon7184]

@@puza1274 they kinda look similar if you're unfamiliar with them.

[@calumwilson182]

This is awesome Ermin, really insightful and I'll definitely look to replace my CSL Elite with one. Can I ask - have you had much chance to try it on RF2 yet? I know you're not feeling sooo great about RF2 these days but would be fascinated to know! Thanks

[@Ermz]

I actually just tried them out together earlier tonight. Far, far better than my DD1s in rF2!

[@calumwilson182]

@@Ermz wow, high praise! And for you to replace your DD1 with it is testament to it! Can’t wait to pick one up, thanks for sharing your experience!

[@th3orist]

i can totally see Fanatec updating their two Podium Wheelbases at some point with the newer motor technology. i am just happy to have been patient for all that time and now will be making the jump from a t300rs to the 8nm CSL DD and cant wait until my unit will arrive (unfortunatelly its still 2 months away) :(

[@jspoons6619]

Yes it may be the lowest priced DD control unit , but it is the now standard Fanatec Eco system . so the near 500 euro price tag including the boost kit is not for a full wheel and everything else that makes up a setup. once you add their cheaps wheel another 149 euro and basic CSL two pedal set 79 euro shifter 259.95 euro . and a handbrake 129.95 euro all add up to over 1,118.85 euro's . so it is still way more expensive than all its mid range rivals most that come with a more ready to run out of the box setup. On the flip side it is of course way cheaper than any any other DD system for a full setup and I am guessing a very good stepping stone into the next gen of Podium DD units that will no doubt use the same new internal design for their Higher end units in the near future. I am also sure that there will be cheaper ways to build a CSL DD system via buying used Fanatec wheels and pedals as well as a flooded 2nd hand market for Fanatec's old belt driven wheel bases. Can and will Thrustmaster bring a cheaper all in one box unit to the market or Logitech anything cheaper is going to be most plastic than metal . and for me Build quality for both Thrustmaster and Logitech for a few years now has been a major shortcoming for their products. bringing DD to a wider market is a good thing for sim racing but I still fears the costs are still to high for most players one a budget. loved the review thanks

[@edteach3r]

An excellent review, thanks Ermin. I am now sold on the CSL DD to replace my beloved 10 year-old Fanatec CSR.

[@drumbri]

Just got my CSL DD with the boost kit a couple of days ago and I am a bit disappointed in what they are calling eight Newton meters. The wheelbase I was using was the fanatec CSL 2.5 Belt drive and it feels like it has more torque and more actual motion of the wheel reacting to bumps and force feedback effects.

[@FruddyG]

Still think so 2 months later?

[@UWfalcin]

That sounds weird.. have you fiddled anything with the csl dd software?

[@KnowerofThings]

plz give update i have 2.5 thinking about csl dd as well

[@RyokoVT]

I actually have noticed that both you and another reviewer aren't perfectly satisfied with the force of the wheelbase, and all I could think of was my shoulders and back hurting from playing with my G29 for a few hours straight. I feel like this would kill me, but then I don't drive in reality, so I haven't got the muscle development from driving an actual car. So this thing sounds perfect to me lol.

[@mtbbreda]

Like you sad 10-12 nm is the sweet spot, really hope that they bring a Clubsport DD to the market.

[@seanmack9207]

Oh it will come out straight after this lol 😂

[@MissedApproachMagpie]

@@seanmack9207 don’t hold your breath homie

[@FernandoGonzalez84]

"helped me with my terrible driving" as he runs laps ~2 seconds quicker than me at Spa while talking... **sobs** (I'm still on a Driving Force GT from 2004..)

[@SharkedFrets]

Same man! :D The wheel, and even worse - the pedals - that came with gran turismo 4 is my simracing setup for years now…cant wait to get my hands on the fanatec stuff this winter

[@sidedoororiginal]

I have been running a G27 for years now. If you want to upgrade - DEFINITELY go for a set of LC pedals. (I did Fanatec V3 a few days ago) And the speed and consistency you get with a set of pedals is so much more than a wheel.

[@Khans0120]

lol I recently considered buying the Logitech G923 or Thrustmaster TMX Pro for gaming, however after thinking about them for a few days I went off track and ended up ordering Fanatec stuff instead even though I had not planned to. So now I have the CSL Elite pedal kit with the WRC Xbox/PC wheel on the way, then the CSL DD will be next on the list within the next month or two

[@fullboost7076]

I want to see someone use a beefier power supply to see if you can hit that 10-12 Nm. Would be interesting to know what the max specs are for the internal motor in this case.

[@themrwinston9570]

wheel overclocking +_+

[@eriknaamot]

And i bought the DD1 THREE monts ago 😅😅 But i kind of like it as a Workout, so i guess i did make the right descision in the end! I normally run it from 8-10 nm :) But this is so good for Sim Racing as a whole 😎😎😎

[@JamaaLKellbass]

I think you made a good choice. Podium, Clubsport then CSL.

[@user-wq1ng2up1w]

The Ridge Racer OST in the background is underrated

[@atrain132]

0:31 The BASE ONLY. Without a wheel, or the expensive boost kit; is priced to be mid-ranged.

[@SimRacerGT973]

Damn bro you got my mouth watering 🤤. Now my patients is out the door waiting for mine haha. Great detailed info as usual 👍. You look happy as a kid in a candy store, all smiles 😁. Glad your having fun with it. Thank you for this brother (as I sigh and relief knowing I made the right choice) 😉. Forever Racing 🏁

[@mrgusse]

Really nice review. As a user limited to the tablemounted solution and coming from the G29 I'm a bit thorn. I really want the best for the buck and it seems that's the 8 Nm version, problem is that will probably be a bit flimsy on a tablemount..... but ofc, again I have the G29 now so the 5 Nm version will be a big upgrade, and I can go for the boostkit later down the line I suppose.

[@AndrewFosterSheff69]

Thanks for this. I've watched loads of reviews and this is the one that has swayed me to commit. I've had all the bits loaded up in my checkout for about 3 days now LOL! Going for the bundle with the McClaren GT3 wheel! PS: Re fanatec sabotaging their own high end... I disagree... if what you are saying is correct, then it's what is called a "loss leader" - what you lose in the initial sale, but you gain a lifetime customer.

[@SupraSmart68]

Mark my words; Soon there will either be an official Fanatec 250w or similar power supply upgrade available or the independent's will offer them. I'll certainly explore the DD/DD Pro motor's potential myself if there's no electrickery involved to prevent it.

[@PresidentScrooge]

I really hope someone is gonna compare the CSL DD to the Simagic Alpha Mini as it is in the same pricerange. Edit: Also I think the idea of the boost-kit is that it helps budget-conscious people to get into it and have an easy upgrade path.

[@flipnospan7808]

Great review! Thank you for confirming that I made the right choice with the boost kit and the McLaren v2. :) I really can't wait to receive the DD!

[@Metla666]

Either every youtuber is a Fanatec shill reading from a script or this thing is pretty damn awesome. When Ermin stated it was better then a DD1 I opened up the Fanatec page and placed an order. Seems November 11th will be a good day.

[@nuriFPS]

So does it lives up to its hype?

[@Metla666]

@@nuriFPS Yes and no, In that I absolutely love it, but its only slightly better then my CSW 2.5 and I wish the ffb were stronger...

[@roberthorvath5196]

Very good review mate. Can´t wait to get mine shipped in september. Still driving on a hardly modded G29 which is ok, but doesnt give you the level of immersion you have with a DD Wheelbase. Had the chance to test a DD1 a friend of mine owns for an endurance race and its pretty hard to get back to an gear driven wheelbase, having this experience 😂 We drove the DD1 at around 8Nm, so I think thats pretty much comparable with what the boostkit CSL DD will offer. For me thats enough force, especially for long sessions. The true advantage of DD technology is not the amount of force you can get, but the level of detail it offers. So I think this will do the job very well.

[@Ermz]

Bang on.

[@itsjoeymack]

“Better than any belt driven unit by fanatec” after I already bought it when you said “better than the DD1” I feel so good about my choice to order it

[@deuxbleux]

I wonder if this means Fanatec may be developing a 2nd generation of DD1 and DD2 now that the new motors have been somewhat proven through the CSL DD??

[@baronnecas2880]

Now the question is buy a CSL DD or wait for the upgraded DD2, and I'm sure Fanatec knows we'll end up buying both 😂

[@Ermz]

I'm guessing they'll focus on a midrange offering first, while selling the rest of their Podium stock.

[@deuxbleux]

@@Ermz Makes sense, thanks for taking the time to respond! Keep up with the great videos, every single one is better than the last!

[@willielast]

@@Ermz I dunno why ppl are so sure there'll be a CSW DD.

[@spforza6522]

@@willielast because it makes sense, 8nm to 15/20 is a big gap, and most csw user now will not upgrade to the csl dd because it isn’t a big enough jump spend that much. If they release a csw dd 10-14 nm and is a little bit more expensive that will be the most popular dd in the market full stop. It wouldn’t be so expensive as the dd1/dd2 but it wouldn’t be held back by low nm, why would they stop making their mid range products?

[@bullshark1152]

Just ordered the 8nm DD. Had to sell my whole rig last year inc the Fanatec CSW v2.5. Miss simracing so I bought a new “smaller” setup. Looking forward to feel this 8nm DD with my own hands.

[@benchase5986]

Mass effect Soundtrack in the Background...i love it 😍😁

[@planet231]

25:01 "I feel at one with this thing!" *BONK* the comedic timing is too much xd

[@danmahil1283]

Having watched this review along with others from respected reviewers such as Chris Haye, Boosted Media and Gamermuscle I do wonder what puts Ermin in the "this is definitely better than a DD" camp as I am not hearing this anywhere else. They all say its great but still not quite there compared to the DD1/2. People naturally have different opinions but id suggest watching the other guys as well for a more balanced assessment. It's fantastic that this product opens up DD for more people. it's not going to satisfy the wrist breaking greatness of an LMP at Nordschleife in RF2 from what I'm hearing so I'll wait to upgrade to the next big guy Fanatec will inevitably release.

[@FinnD777]

Random Callsign did say that he would replace his DD1 on his rig with the CSL DD on his live stream. I’d say different reviewers have different reasons to prefer one or the other!

[@danmahil1283]

@@FinnD777 fair enough, didn't see that one. Cheers for flagging it up.

[@truantray]

Be very careful with KZbin reviewers, they skate a fine line between actual opinion and advertisement. A single negative opinion could end up choking off the channel.

[@danmahil1283]

@@truantray yeah, I agree with that hence the recommendation to get a more balanced assessment by watching the other reviewers too. Some are slightly more prone to hyperbole as well ;)

[@zeekot4064]

Unsubscribed from him actually due to this review it kinda threw out all his other reviews out the window for me .. he can’t talk about realism anymore since he’s settling for 8nm,and saying it’s better than the dd1 lmao

[@JSmith73]

Great review. For calibration of shifter, mine (DD1) was off by one in that the Win10 Control Panel software said a different gear to what the display was saying. Go by the display, and one of the buttons on the rim to proceed to next gear.

[@f1_will304]

this looks amazing. i bought a csl elite just before this was announced do kinda sad but saving up all ready

[@vanceb_24]

Very nice review. You convey your thoughts very well. Keep up the good work!

[@MM-mx8sr]

Ermin, you got me to pay another 500€ to my rig! Your review is what i needed!

[@Ermz]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@djcwes]

I got mine yesterday and I was excited like a small kid at X-mas time, but after three hours with it I am honestly dissapointed. It is noticably weaker than my CLS Elite PS/4, even with the boost kit. If I press FFB test button in the Fanatec configuration software with the CLS ELite, it shakes the wheel so violently that I need two hands to hold it and I am litterally worried it will damage itself. But with the CLS DD I can easily hold the wheel with one hand when set to 100%. It feels like 50% of the CLS Elite. As for driving it the CLS DD feels slightly more precise and refined, but the overall feeling does not in any way impress me. Only thing is the absence of the FFB deadzone on the CLS Elite near the top position. That's nice. But on the other hand I get so much more power from the Elite that I litteraly have to fight the wheel when set to max FFB. I'll give anothe try today but if I cant get more power out of it, it's going back.

[@AC-wl7ve]

so its great but you want to be in a fight with your wheel while you're driving?

[@Bigdaddio]

I CANNOT wait for this. Definitely treating myself this year

[@Kylosgrande]

Really enjoying this review as I watch the tracking updates for my csl dd Formula v2.5x and csl pedals

[@connor9209]

Can’t wait to save up and get the fanatec DD and some pedals, the g920 gives barely no feedback on ACC and it’s makes the car very nervous feeling all the time. Racing on a knife edge every race haha.

[@pomo5103]

my arms are around 3x smaller than yours, so i guess this is the perfect wheelbase for me lol.

[@RexNathanChan]

Am considering the csl dd, great info in this video 🤩🤩

[@McBeamer94]

Wow, that's amazing!! The boosted CSL DD is half the price of the DD1 but it seems like it's twice as good!! Now there's only one question to be answered: how does the CSL DD actually stack up against the DD2? The DD2 has more than three times the torque (25nm) of the boosted CSL DD, so I guess it's only good for racing marathons or for when someone wants to fit a real steering wheel, which is heavier than the sim racing wheels normally attached (and the fact that the rubber band is now removed will do good to fitting real wheels, since they won't jiggle on the steering column). This would certainly be an interesting comparison! As for the shifters, I just had an idea: what if a sim racing equipment company actually made an automatic shifter? Like a modern "P R N D S/M - +" or the old-school "P R N D 2 1"? I know this might be a niche market but there are some games like BeamNG that actually have really good behavior in their automatic transmissions, so this would be great for the game immersion, don't you think? But there's a problem rising: since the wheelbases only have two gates for the shifters, how will the manual shifters (manual and sequential) connect to the wheelbase? Could there be a two-place adapter connecting to one of the two gates, so the automatic shifter can separately connect to the other gate? And for making this a little bit more difficult, how would a column automatic shifter adapt to a wheelbase? Could there be a wheelbase specifically designed for accepting such a shifter? 🤔

[@truantray]

Quick answer is connect direct to PC, not through the base.

[@McBeamer94]

@@truantray Hmmm! 🤔 This is very interesting, I'll see how this goes! Thank you! 😉

[@antivanti]

Can't wait for my CSL DD with 8 Nm kit to arrive soon to finally after many many years replace my old Fanatec Porsche Turbo S. Good thing with already being in the Fanatec eco-system is that with just some extra cables I can keep using my Clubsport V1 Pedals and the H-shifter (although that will get upgraded soon because that old shifter is plasticy as heck)

[@antivanti]

The moment I got the mail for early pre-order from Fanatec I jumped on it because I've been thinking of upgrading for so long... then I realized that my old flimsy as heck PlaySeat gen 1 won't do so I had to get a whole new rig... and just the new rig was a huge upgrade to the feel of the old wheel so can't wait to get the new wheelbase... and do many more laps around Nürburgring in BeamNG 😅

[@hahaxolotl]

I can't wait when fanatec makes a more powerfull version of that motor that can reach up to 10-15nm, after that video I think that that would be the best wheel on the market. And I know that they are working on that because people WILL buy it, so good money, and good worth.

[@PocketDrummer]

From what I understand, the "boost kit" can be had for significantly less if you do a bit of research.

[@Pulecocz]

Darn, so time to finally invest since using Logitech Driving force Pro for the last 12 years and to a top-grade sim racing gear? TAKE MY MONEY!

[@EddieOtool]

The reason why it's smoother than the DD1 might just be because the magnets in the motor are way less powerfull, so they don't offer as much resistance to turning.

[@KyleP133]

Outrunner motor was a mistake... a lot of people wondered if it was at the time. This almost proves it.

[@jonathanehlers6855]

Just ordered mine with over a month wait time and I cannot wait to try my first DD base over my G923. It's probably gonna rip up my NLR gt lite (yes, that's the next upgrade).

[@zolofia5156]

I have the t248 boundle and I’m planning on switching to this and the most newton meter force I get is 3.5 😂 when I switch I can’t wait for my arms to fall off 😂

[@julianhall2008]

Thanks for the video, I'm glad to hear your report, hopefully getting mine in September with the larger power supply. 👍

[@robc2073]

The title scared me. Lol so excited for March to get here

[@Fridelain]

It is in fact a British plug. Seems to be the package for 240v regions

[@TheRIkkyP]

I want to see how this stacks up against the sim magic mini.

[@lawless8723]

i was already sold on buying the wheel from the time Fanatec announced it..but you and boosted media just put me well in the endzone on several other pitches lol

[@smothdude]

Man I reaaaaaaaallly don't have the money for this right now but by God do I want it.

[@bullzeyes23]

great info about the sticker. Their decal or sticker need to be improve or use 3M quality as their product is not cheap. And also thanks for your honest review. One of the best CSL DD review available. I am glad i get the boost kit and for the record, i watch your video until the end. I really enjoy your review.

[@nopls817]

i like how you're using Rift instrumental. Its such a vibe.

[@Nick_Kearney]

Hey Ermin. I just got a DD1 last month and I'm not sure exactly what all these details are that you keep talking about. Could you do a video about the details you feel with a DD and how they affect your racing?

[@benjaminsall3271]

I haven’t compared a DD to a DD1 but I’m guessing the extra detail comes from that the DD has lower rotating mass. That means the mass that the DD1 has to rotate is higher that what the DD has to rotate. This is due to the DD1 being bigger and having a heavier shaft. The lower rotating mass will mean that you feel more of the lower forces on a DD wheelbase over a DD1. However some argue that the DD1 is more realistic since real cars also have a high rotating mass with the steering column and all. Hope that makes sense

[@bigredracingteam9642]

@@benjaminsall3271 It's the rotational inertia that's important. The mass of the axle won't make much difference. The additional details some people are talking about are most likely because they went with an in-runner motor for the Csl DD.

[@denniscalosso5000]

Very nice and detailled review. I think that the csl dd (mine was delivered to me today, btw, with the booster of course 😃) it’s just the tip of the iceberg… I expect a PlayStation version, maybe a pro version, and also a full review of their high end equipment (dd1 & dd2), maybe implementing in them the inner driven dd technology, in the next future…. It would be nice to see a compare between this and the simagic alpha mini, that delivers 10Nm, but has an (little) higher price…

[@virtualawakening2299]

They better offer a kit to upgrade to 12Nm!!!!! OMG! The sooner they publicate this, the better!

[@DaniFrederix]

really appreciate the R4 music at the start !!!!!

[@theburgundynetwork3432]

Shout out to the Mass Effect music in the background.

[@russellchapman5991]

im looking to buy this and you have answered 3 questions i had ..so thank you.

[@NWA_1919]

From five to eight nm is almost a 40% increase, so it's natural there's a huge difference. I just wish they would offer even more power for 10-12nm. Probably need to wait and see if they upgrade the dd1.🤔

[@Ermz]

There's a bit of a hole right now between the CSL and Podium ranges, and I imagine Fanatec have already strategized for it.

[@jonmartin2624]

Alpha mini fits in there at 10nm at nearly the same price as the csl. Only con is their wheels are pricey. I bought the mini, and a couple different brand wheels because I thought the csl might be just missing the perfect torque range. Very happy with my decision.

[@gabcote19]

Really looking forward to the ps5 compatible version! The CSL DD being better the the dd1/dd2, i think we can expect a new updated version of the podium series in the near future! What do u think?

[@Ermz]

They'll have to jazz up the Podium series, for sure.

[@brucehopkinsbruhop6045]

You watch, a 12-14 nm DD will be next. All of us CSL DD purchasers will wish we waited. And it will be under $1,000.

[@mackie1001]

@@brucehopkinsbruhop6045 that’s my thinking too - happy with my CSW 2.5 for now

[@henribroekhoff2222]

My t300 just broke so I really can't wait till this one is out in november.. Gonna have to wait..

[@tapatsos]

My new favorite youtuber!! Damn keep up the good work !!! Really enjoy your videos!

[@truantray]

Fanatec needed to anticipate the market. They were first in high quality sim niche, but 2020 busted that open enough that Chinese manufacturers are now taking note. It's not that this unit is reasonably priced as much as older units were overpriced for a small niche market and if they didn't get cheaper models, China would swoop in with a cheap DD wheel. The bar is being reset, but cheaper DD wheels are on the horizon from everyone, because of the expanded market. One good side effect of 2020.

[@LupusAries]

So that's why some Simracing hardware is noticeably cheaper right now.... ;) I was looking for a T300 for a friend whose G27 just had some issues, I think it's a cracked optical encoder disk...which is a bit of a bother but fixeable. Due to his job and being a bit burnt out* he was not in the mood to fix it and I looked for some replacements. I mean, on Ebay Kleinanzeigen (Ebay Classifieds in Germany) a T300 base is 70 Euros, a 599XX Wheel (yeah the Alcantara one) is 70-12 Euros or a set of both 175, a set of T3PA-Pro Pedals can be had for around 100 Euros, even those with Loadcell mods! So you could get a rather decent wheel with decent to good pedals for under 300. Add to that an SHH Shifter, a great piece of budget Hardware whose performance punches way about it's sticker price and you're good to go for under 400 Euros. I saw about 8-10 Listings for T3PA-Pros, both modded and unmodded. Incidentally the production period for an SHH Shifter is under a month right now, just a cunt-hair under it, if ordered today the 9th, it would be done on the 7th, with shipping after that, so best time to grab one is now. I got mine recently, and I must say it's awesome, especially for the price, perfect shift throw and I only had two misshifts in the first lap with a 7 speed manual car. 5th and 6th were a bit tricky, but after that it was fine. Totally unlike the Logitech G-Shifter, you are toally confident that it's in the right gear. First car I drove in Pcars 2 was the 330 P4, and I was perfectly comfortable heel and toeing that, unlike with the Logitech G-Shifter where I was happy to have the autoclutch. Same goes for the Miura I drove later, just perfect. Also twist push down, twist 90 degrees, boom you're in sequential mode, flip a switch for extra buttons for the Sequential shifter. 5-10 seconds if you don't change the top plate, 40-50 if you do. Pre-load is adjustable...ok it's a 3D printed housing, but other than that it blows the TH8A out of the water. Well worth a review by you Ermin. Back on Topic, even the Fanatec Stuff is dropping dramatically, I've seen CSL Elite Pedals (2-Pedal) sets for as low as 60 euros, and CSL Elite F1 sets (so CSL Elite base, F1 wheel, 2 Pedal set) for 800-1000 Euros. The higher priced ones included some seats like the Playseat Challenge. Now the question is if that seat is really worth it... CSL wheelbase+Rim for about 490... Fanatec Clubsport F1 Wheels for around 200-250. Someone is even selling a full rig with the CSW 2.5, F1 Esports wheel, the Clubsport V3 Pedals with Performance kit for 1.100 Euros. And a Fanatec/Thrustmaster combo, CSW V2, Formula Carbon and TC-LM Pedals for 580 Euros. A CSW 2.5 Wheelbase for around 530 Euros. Not firm on the Fanatec stuff, so you tell me if those are good prices, although some of them look good. There is something like 10-20 pages of listed Fanatec Stuff, not just wheels and pedals but also other stuff. As we predicted earlier in the year, the CSL DD would trickle down nicely to the second hand and entry markets. *He was on medical leave due to being overworked for two weeks last months, and despite being on medical leave for half the month he still had 28 hours of overtime just with those two weeks. And when he went back a few days ago, they went yeah immediately back to full speed. So yeah it's understandable that he's a bit unwilling to faff around more. He's working in the Railway industry in one of the jobs where there is a severe lack of certain applicants.

[@rars0n]

The last force feedback wheel that I've owned was the Logitech Wingman Formula Force. Not the GP, but the original, Logitech's first ever FFB wheel. Remember when everything Logitech made was branded "Wingman"? Anyway, I was a teenager when I bought that wheel, which was back in the Windows 95 days, and it was a long time ago so my memory is probably a bit off, but I remember that thing having some pretty strong forces. When you initially turned it on, it would whip itself all the way left, and then all the way right, before centering again, and you definitely wanted to be careful about not touching the wheel while it was doing this. I had a LOT of fun with that wheel back in the day, although the pedals were total crap. Anyway, I have no idea how strong that wheel actually was, but I'm guessing it was probably lower than 5NM. I just ordered Fanatec's GT DD Pro as I would like to use it with both PS4 and PC. I didn't bother going with the boost kit because $150 is a bit absurd for a 180W power supply that one can easily splice together on their own. I can't wait to try it out, especially with the CSL pedals. The load cell kits are backed up until March and the shifters and hand brakes February, so I'll probably order those once I get a chance to try the wheel base out. I might also have to pick up an extra wheel or two! I felt a little weird dropping that much money down on a wheel, but after doing a lot of research and considering all my options, it just didn't make sense to go any cheaper given the quality of the CSL DD experience. Even when comparing used prices of Logitech, Thrustmaster, and older Fanatec gear, the price of everything right now is skewed a little high, which makes the CSL DD/GT DD Pro kits that much more of a good buy. Thanks for your excellent videos! I only recently found your channel and I watched several of them to help me make my decision! I especially liked your review of the GT DD Pro as your feedback on the steering wheel itself was extremely helpful! You've got a new sub!

[@kirtfleming3157]

Awesome review! Now I just have to wait for the Playstation 5 compatible version. Congratulations to all that will be enjoying this soon

[@thomasdimitrov5924]

now i know this is gonna work with the wheel i want thanks so much

[@jianh1989]

5:41 You review a sim racing product featuring Callista as background music. Nice.

[@IlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIllIlIlIlI]

CSL DD will game changer!!! for price (cheaper than csw 2.5, with 8nm) for wheels choice. for quality (it's from Fanatec, and it's DD with full metal bady). I guess, in about 2 years. Fanatec will release new version of DD1 or DD2. (it's only My own opinion.)

[@M4rkV3n0m]

I had all this excitement with my DD1 when i had it dialled in perfectly (for my taste)

[@SelfBiasedCybernaut]

Did anyone notice the background music in 5:13 is the one that plays on Afterlife, from Omega, Mass Effet 2?

[@ianjackson4011]

I currently have a CSL Elite 1.1 that i got for my 1st rig almost a year ago. I have considered the new DD but wasn't sure how much more i'd get out of it. My thinking is that i would find the strength of the FFB to be fine, i don't need to be trying to do a 3 point turn in a Scammell with no power steering. Given this thought i think the 5Nm one would be "strong" enough for me with the option of upgrading to the 8Nm power pack should i decide to at a later date. Your interpretations of the fidelity have, however, pricked up my ears and has taken a step or two forward towards a possible upgrade. I get what you're saying about it just isn't strong enough for you, as it would feel like me turning my FFB off completely. I'd be interested to see a review between the DD and the Elite 1.1as a more favorable comparison. 😄 Great review though.....you might have cost my wife $350 minimum!! 🤣🤣

[@AC-wl7ve]

did you end up getting the 5nm?

[@samuellp1146]

Yeah did you get it? I heard it's not that much different than the csl elite 1.1 from owners who had both (which I have on it's way).

[@inigogonzalez8277]

Really enjoyed the unboxing with that Northlane song in the background

[@DxBang3D]

I will be upgrading from Thrustmaster TX 458 italia (3.9 Nm doubt it) & Fanatec CSR (Forza X360) at 2.6? Nm --- so for me, it will be a huuuuuuge upgrade.

[@w.9601]

105 days till mine will arive. Can't wait...

[@BazippysVideos]

t500rs to the CsL DD is going to be epic, then ill get the full 8nm next year once ive settled in. Its nice to have an upgrade path with one wheel (if a little steep for a power pack)

[@adambuzzeo]

Im going from a t300, really hope its going to be as big of a game changer as i am hoping for, reviews like this get me so pumped :)

[@BazippysVideos]

@@adambuzzeo It should be i was comparing your t300 to the v2.5 and its a big improvment so the dd will be a big step too. Cant really find much comparing the t500 as its too old

[@KyleP133]

I know you're trying to convince me on some level to ditch my csw v2.5 and get csl dd... but Im gonna wait for a clubsport DD... if in a couple of years the csl dd is still the best option, I'm pretty sure I'll get one. However... what I AM super convinced about, is I need beam.ng. Reminds me of the Hot Rod mag Roadkill guys driving the Dodge Chargers in the desert and at the "Dirtfish" rallycross circuit.

[@MissedApproachMagpie]

Hmm “trying to convince”. Does he work for Fanatec I didn’t get that memo sorry. It’s called pros and cons. If something has more pros than cons than that’s how it turns out.

[@KyleP133]

@@MissedApproachMagpie He's reviewing a wheelbase and recommending it because he likes it. My whole point was I was impressed with beam.ng. The rest of my comment was just a setup for that. Stop being so pedantic. It's a product review. A recommendation is implied. Are you normally this oblivious to how marketing and content creation works? And regarding "working for fanatec", he's made it very clear what his relationship is to Fanatec, so this isn't a mystery either.

[@reviewforthetube6485]

I told everyone after I got to use my influencer buddies csl dd that I feel it's better then the dd1. I couldn't believe no grain perfectly smooth. But then again it's a servo kotor so I knew it was going to be amazing. As of now servo dd motors are the best. Then add the carbon fiber shaft. The smaller size I knew the responsiveness and speed would be slightly better also. It's weaker sure. But it's so good you lose no detail or a nothing in comaprison if not there may be a little more imo. I absolutely love it so much so it will replace my dd1. It's plenty of power for me if anything most using it actually turned it down a bit as crazy as that sounds it feels more like a minimum of 10nm instead of 8 it's perfect imo. Size compact placement everything about it for me are pluses and positives I literally prefer it over the dd1 crazy right. I'm just happy finally a youtuber who is honest. I get some don't want to say this due to thw ahte or people being upset hearing it. But we need to know the truth. So thank you for being honest. One other yoyrubwr also said the same. He actually said he's going to replace his dd1 and use the csl dd as his main also haha just like me.

[@Ermz]

Fanatec affiliates make larger margins on the Podium products. Just saying.

[@reviewforthetube6485]

@@Ermz exactly man