Before You Buy AM5 | AM4 vs AM5 Gaming Performance

[@ErockOnTech]

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[@Getting-Older]

Strange bug showed up last night. I use the same settings although soc set to 1.2 but after gaming last night the bios had set all back to default!? Soc back to 1.3 pbo back to auto no curve!?

[@ErockOnTech]

@@Getting-Older Well according to my comments section, this is clearly an issue that only occurred because you didn’t check the QVL list. Lmao 🤣 (sarcasm) But for real that sucks. I believe you. I had some settings not save on me when I made the changes. I had to go back in and make the change again. AM5 is super buggy.

[@fchrissandy]

@@ErockOnTech Two things to point out: First, Curve Optimizer max is 30, no way some people can do 35 like you claimed, and you're lucky if you can do 30 as it highly depends on silicone lottery. I'm on Ryzen 9 7900, can only do Curve Optimizer Negative 21, anything above that is not stable. You can read about this online. some can only do 15. Second, EXPO is only for the memory (RAM), not needed for the CPU clock boosting like you claimed. Your CPU clock doesn't get affected by EXPO at all. EXPO is RAM overclock. There are 2 voltages in the CPU: 1. Core voltage - for processor core voltages. 2. SoC voltage - for everything else like memory controller, etc. EXPO is only touching the SoC voltage, not affecting CPU boosting. So, these 2 information in this video are misleading.

[@ErockOnTech]

@@fchrissandy ehh wrong. You can’t do something with your hardware so are you assuming no one can? I run 30 all core no issues. DM me on Discord and I’ll show you a picture. I’ll even send a video of it with my phone. For 35, I saw it in a video by another tech KZbinr. I’ll look for it. If I find it I’ll share it because comments like this annoy me. People love to come here acting like they know everything. For RAM and EXPO, you clearly misheard me or misunderstood me. I said that EXPO is needed for max CPU performance. Now let’s think logically of why this is. Umm maybe because it increases RAM speed which you just admitted to. Hmm, now I wonder why RAM speed would matter. Oh I know, it’s because Ryzen performs better with faster RAM. A.) AMD has confirmed this. B.)Steve from Gamers Nexus has confirmed this. C.) I have confirmed this. Out of the box, my CPU would not hit higher than 4800 mhz. With EXPO I’m at 5ghz. But let me guess, you still think the CPU isn’t impacted by EXPO? I really can’t stand these kinds of comments.

[@fchrissandy]

@@ErockOnTech my comment kept on getting deleted. curve optimizer 30 is my mistake, it's 60 now. but both my points still stands, if you allow me to comment i can explain it, thanks.

[@y_zass]

I just upgraded my little brothers PC that I built for him 4 years ago. I had him go from his 2600X and RX 590 to a Ryzen 5700X and RX 7900XT. He was able to keep his current motherboard, PSU, storage, case. AM4 is legendary!

[@ErockOnTech]

I love AM4! I hope AM5 can eventually be that way.

[@justshitposting8411]

@@ErockOnTech AMD likely realized their mistake when the 7000 series launched and no one bought it but the 5800x3d was sold out everywhere, I don't think they will do the whole am4 thing again, but I really hope I'm wrong

[@silenthero2795]

@@justshitposting8411 They had to jump to DDR5 sooner or later. AM4 was just too good a platform that even if you skip AM5, you're still on an AMD platform so you're still buying their products.

[@Azrub]

I have been playing with ryzen 1500x + rx 580 8gb for 6 years, and I'm upgrading to 5600x-5700x soon, I can't wait, AM4 is awesome.

[@ffwast]

@@Azrub go all the way to the 5800x3d and ride it out even longer

[@fernandoorozco3751]

My dad taught me a long time ago that you never buy year zero. He was referring to cars, but since my generations version of hot rods is gaming computers, I use the same philosophy. To let them update the drivers and the bios so that everything works properly.

[@ErockOnTech]

That’s wise.

[@MrArnoldWatson]

your dad good man

[@StunXPlayz]

W dad

[@michaelhawkins7389]

@@ErockOnTech what do you think about ryzen 7 7800x3d prossor? I am thinking of getting one

[@jmass4207]

Goes for the games too.

[@MyOpinyin]

I'm looking into building a system around a 7800X3D and I appreciate this vid. more than 6 months have passed, so maybe a 6 month update vid is warranted and maybe include what have you learned since then.

[@durukan6312]

If you are watching this video, why are you installing an am5 system? I was going to install a system with a Ryzen 7600 and B motherboard, but I gave up and instead I will install a system from scratch with a 13400f or 12400f and ddr4 3200mhz ram. If you enjoy dealing with problems, I can't say anything, but I can't accept it.There are still a lot of people having problems on reddit, there is no need for a video.

[@MyOpinyin]

@@durukan6312 that is a great question. close to a year has passed, since the issues with 7800X3D started and over half a year since this video was made. I assume everything has been fixed by now. That's why I even considered the AM5 platform. surprisingly

[@mikegsg9r]

I just upgraded to this chip from Intel it's great, they are using it in fpl tournament for csgo as well

[@Nevinhattle]

1 year now and I would like update

[@oopsydaisy4637]

I bought am5 early on. RAM recogition was my main issue, blue screens. I went through the error logs and dealt with them one at a time. It's been fine for months

[@ErockOnTech]

Just curious, was your RAM on the QVL?

[@bowlochili]

With everything going on with AM5, I'm glad I went with AM4/5900x.

[@Lukiel666]

Just built an AM4 system. Because it was tried tested and true, all bugs worked out, and with AM5 out it was reasonably priced. Looking forward to seeing what Computex has in store. Will upgrade to AM5 in another couple generations.

[@ErockOnTech]

AM5 should be rock solid by then, hopefully.

[@charlestilley2576]

@@ErockOnTech Am saving now for 2nd or 3rd gen! Still want to see DisplayPort 2.0 released, has been approved nearly as long as the AM4 platform ran!😅

[@evilleader1991]

More proof that AM5 was rushed, same with RDNA3

[@CRAZYKID123454321]

couple generations will be am6 by then. am6 will be more futureproof with solid cpu support. I think of am5 as a test run for ddr5 and new cpu socket pins for the ryzen chips

[@genx156]

I would probably build an AM4 based system at this time also (if I wasn't already on it) - for me I don't think DDR5 has hit it's sweet spot yet & I wouldn't want to spend on RAM now and then a few months later the good stuff starts to appear with higher speeds & tighter timings - plus the bugs need some ironing out. I stayed on Z97 with an i5 4690K until Ryzen 3000 had been out a year (Intel were dragging their feet & incrementally crap after that with increasing prices & heat so didn't bother), but then I saw how cheap a 3600 was (6 cores & 12 threads for like £150😲😲) so AM4 it was (AMD is back in the room 😁) still on the same Mobo (Asus B450-I Gaming) & RAM with 5900X in there now - AM4 has been great for me 👍👍

[@Mcatz7]

I decided to wait out AM5 platform and rebuild my 2 rigs using AM4 with the 5600. The AM4 platform is still good for many years. The bang for the buck and stability is awesome on the old platform.

[@wakingfromslumber9555]

I agree

[@burnurass7543]

Yep am4 is awesome 😎 am5 not soo much lol 😂

[@mikebruzzone9570]

Right I plan AM4 new last June 10 year life. mb

[@bobvila4381]

@@burnurass7543 What? If AM4 is awesome AM5 is fabulous!

[@ErockOnTech]

I agree!

[@ardyaprilianta9732]

For an average mere mortal person. I would stick to 5800x3d and wait for the GPUs price comes down. this cpu can still handle high-tier gpu without bottleneck. Unless you have too much money, then by no means get the latest and greatest am5 parts.

[@tealpacific7029]

Thanks for this video. I'm watching it 9 months later, and it informed me about some pitfalls just as I was looking at building a system like this. Good info!

[@underthewronghat.0101]

Just upgraded my old I5 3570k system. Went AM5 ==> Gigabyte B650, Ryzen 7600x, 32gb plain-jane 6Mt/s ddr5 Gskill RAM, 2TB 6.6 gbps nvme drive, RX 6700xt GPU... No issues at all. I'm not overclocking or anything, so the XMP is set just to get the rated 6Mt/s memory speed. Fast boots. I was waiting for special memory training, but XMP let me just select the rated speeds, and *poof* no training, just nice zippy-fast system. Very happy. Case by Antec is much quieter and cooler. Even Win 11 install wasn't a terrible experience.

[@giebaited6870]

Always check motherboard QVL when choosing ram. In order to avoid all the hassle youve been through. That is really common for people to forget.

[@L0rd_0f_War]

That, and for now, go for Hynix based memory kits for all AM5 builds. Hynix based kits are the most compatible and trouble free a this time, specially with EXPO 6000 or more.

[@danielp121]

This! I think he forgot to check the QVL of his motherboard. 😅

[@iseeu-fp9po]

I learned that the hard way recently. There are quite a few things to think about when building a PC, but we learn.

[@alberta3157]

can't belive he talks about it for 10 minutes what a goofball

[@L0rd_0f_War]

@@alberta3157 Well, he can talk about his experience and all, but I think in his tips section he should have mentioned 'Check and follow your boards QVL list', instead of some other guy with the same board and ram had the same issue... yeah... because both made the same exact mistake.

[@TheHangarHobbit]

Glad I chose to stick with AM4 and just went from a 3600 to a 5700x, been rock solid and the money I saved let me go from 16 to 32GB of RAM.

[@ErockOnTech]

Excellent!

[@Basti12293]

I also upgraded from a 3600 to a 5700x and it is awesome End of 2024 i'll upgrade my 6700xt to whatever AMD brings

[@Fireplug52]

I am wanting to build myself a new computer and have been hearing a lot about the problems with the AM5 platform. As much as I wanted to build with the newest processor this video has helped in deciding to forgo building a new computer with the AM5 platform and stick with what has been working well. This video has been a great help.

[@ErockOnTech]

Thank you so much! I am happy to help!

[@Fireplug52]

@@fishy2939 Good to know. Thanks.

[@vincent41095]

I would like to add a note on DDR5 Intel/AMD Optimized kits. I own a 7950X3D on a Asus ProArt X670E with G.Skill 7800Mhz CL36 (F5-7800J3646H16GX2-TZ5RK). It run flawlessly, but not without a ton of patience regarding manually setting DRAM Timing. Currently running on 6200Mhz at CL26 (FCLCK on 2067Mhz). I'm not entirely done tweaking it, but it has a slight instability on exact same timings at 6400Mhz. So I guess I can push it a bit further on 6200. Not all people will take like.. 3 to 4 days optimizing their ram stick. AM4 started in 2017, and so for all CPU above Ryzen 2000, you could put any RAM stick in it and make it work without a ton of work. AM5 at this point require a fair bit more of experience with hardware to get the most out of it. AGESA is not mature enough as of today.

[@gensh1none997]

Expo or DOCP depends on your memory kit not your motherboard . You 'll get expo profiles for Expo rated kits and DOCP profiles for XMP rated kits on aM5.

[@ErockOnTech]

Yes. I’m sorry I didn’t make that clear in the video. Once I got the EXPO ram kit, it showed up as EXPO in the bios. So you’re correct. It’s completely based on the ram. Not the motherboard.

[@TrueBot407]

So does this mean I can still use intel ram on my am5 motherboard with my 7800X3D....? I've always been told it doesn't matter what ram I use especially since I would just enable xmp to set ram to 6000 and don't do any overclocking... I'd prob just undervolt the curve to -30 like most recommended and set SoC voltage to 1.2 or 1.25

[@gensh1none997]

@@TrueBot407 yes , it doesn't matter .

[@ruebenandrews9914]

Great video dude. Looks like ill be waiting atleast 3-4 years as per your advice. Its always the way though you have to wait atleast a year or 2 untill the bugs are ironed out, its unfortunate. These early reviewers like yourself who do it off their own pockets are doing these tech giants a big service. Hope yoru reimbursed well. Subscribed!

[@ErockOnTech]

Thank you so much!

[@MPdude237]

The RAM issues reminds of the early days of AM4. AM4 also had issues with memory compatibility early in it’s life cycle. I think I will upgrade to a Ryzen 5600 or 5700 and upgrade to AM5 later down the line when motherboards get cheaper and the platform matures.

[@pR0ManiacS]

How about now? Would you still go for am4? Im sharing the same opinions as You i think.

[@MPdude237]

@@pR0ManiacS Yep. I upgraded to. Ryzen 5 5600X3D. Quite a big upgrade over my previous Ryzen 3 2200G. For now I am content with the new processor and will stick with it for the foreseeable future.

[@pR0ManiacS]

@@MPdude237 woo good choice there good job. Wish you the Best performance and much luck ! Thanks for the reply. I'll go for 5600x with am4 3600. Im thinking now If i should get 6800 or 6800xt , what stops me is price diff , heat diff, usage diff.

[@rodolfotsang4327]

@@MPdude237i'm going to get a gaming PC now it's ok get AM4 now in 2023?

[@MPdude237]

@@rodolfotsang4327 It would be good. An AM4 system will serve you well now and into the foreseeable future. The only issue is upgrade path. AM4 is basically done at this point. There will likely be no new CPUs released for it so if you are already in 5000 series chips, then your only options for upgrade is to buy a higher tier 5000 series chip or go to a new platform. Unless you are opting for a budget build, I would reccomend that you go for AM5 so you have better chips to upgrade to alongside the other benefits like DDR5 and PCIE 4.0 and 5.0.

[@mykeable]

Honestly... I have a 3700x CPU and 3080 GPU that I built back at the beginning of 2020 and haven't really had the need to upgrade it as the whole thing works well for me and never really had an issue. Both monitors are 1080p and i'm not hard pressed to play games at 1440, nor do I care for 4k. My MOBO was the x570 Aorus Master but a power phase thing died on it and thankfully I had a warranty on that board. They didn't have the board in stock for me at the time, so they upgraded me to the X570s Aorus Master which has a few extra features and an extra M.2 slot. I got lucky. That being said, I was looking at getting the 5800x3D as one last upgrade and push to keep me from going into AM5 and hopefully it will last long enough for me to get to AM6 or even AM7

[@ErockOnTech]

The 5800X3D is a great CPU. I recommend it.

[@genergia]

7950X + X670E-E Asus Rog strix gaming wifi + 32GB @ 6400MHz CL28 => 0 issue since I built the rig . Great performances !

[@nkozi]

This is by far the most clear-headed and real-world focused video I've found (in addition to UFD's advocacy for the 4070 - yes, really) I'm like 10 years overdue for a new PC build and I'm glad to see the 5800X3D is the way to go. Will be a massive upgrade from my 2600k from 2013.

[@ErockOnTech]

Thank you! I really appreciate it!

[@PamirS-jh9oh]

Exactly. I don't care about the fluff and greatness. Moved from a FX8350 + 650ti to 5700g with 64GB 3800 CL 17 and igpu 2350 on a b550-ds3h. Gave me a full ROI for the amount I paid for a 5700g with 64GB memory. Same Cabinet and PSU !! + 12 year old dell 1080p monitor.

[@mariolp2999]

This is probably the reason why MicrCenter had this combo on sale, asus + ram + cpu because they probably knew it was defected. I was reading many posts from microceter and other forums about this specific combo before I made my purchase. I went with the Gigabyte Aorus + 7900x that comes with ddr5 6000 32 gigs and have had zero problems. After the bios update from Gigabyte, the motherboard boots to windows in about 15 seconds.

[@ErockOnTech]

Yeah I’m starting to think any PC deals is usually a bad deal. You have the micro center combo. You have the free copy of RedFall with a purchase of an Nvidia GPU. You have the free copy of The Last of us with the purchase of an AMD GPU. Issues all across the board.

[@mikebruzzone9570]

Usually combos work the other way around known stable interesting conundrum none the less. mb

[@mariolp2999]

Not really, it's to the store interest to get rid of the shitty items that give the most problems.

[@Kryptic1046]

This was a great bit of advice and comparison. I am currently on a 5800X3D and was considering moving to the newer platform with the 7800X3D, but I think I'm going to just skip the 7000 series and wait for the next X3D series next year.

[@wakingfromslumber9555]

Makes sense

[@tilapiadave3234]

Wait for Intel 5D ,, we all know Intel superiority will win :)

[@x8jason8x]

@@tilapiadave3234 They haven't had superiority in almost a decade now, and despite any problems AM5 has, there's not a chance they catch up to AMD with their overpriced and power hungry chips. Unless Intel have a miracle up their sleeve, AMD is light years ahead of everyone with vcache, APUs, and chiplets. They will overtake nVidia in graphics as well, since Jensen basically announced they're not a hardware company anymore. So no, Intel won't be winning anything anytime soon. Best they can hope for is taking AMD's old place as the bargain alternative, that also depends on them accepting that reality, and lowering their prices. I do hope they make good progress with dGPUs though.

[@ruxandy]

@@x8jason8x I mean, you sound a bit fanboyish. If history has taught us anything, it's the fact that Intel always has an ace up its sleeve, even in their darkest moments (cough, Prescott, cough) - there are some exceptional engineers working there. Right now, Intel has a fab related problem, they are behind TSMC in terms of process node/transistor density, but some of the best minds in the industry are working in their chip design & architecture team (after all, we must not forget that the Intel 13th gen is very similar to the AM5 platform in terms of performance - even exceeding it in certain areas, even though they have a clear process node disadvantage!). So, I wouldn't discard them just yet. Also, we need competition in this industry (don't think, even for a second, that AMD is your friend - it's a publicly traded company!) PS: I'm not an 'Intel shill', my personal rig has been running on the AM4 platform for four years now.

[@x8jason8x]

@@ruxandy "I mean, you sound a bit fanboyish." When you start off with this, it ultimately guarantees the person you address isn't going to finish it. I'm a professional builder. I'm a fan of whatever makes me the most money, and for the last 5 years, that's Ryzen. At hazard of repeating myself, AMD is light years ahead of everyone with vcache, APUs, and chiplets. This is indisputable fact, and if it makes me sound like a "fanboy" to some random commenter, that's fine. Let it be known, it will always come across as projection, and to clear up your misconception, I'm a fanboy of price to performance, and I follow tech news daily. I said nothing that isn't based in facts. Good day.

[@moranjackson7662]

I upgraded from Ryzen 5 3600 to Ryzen 7 7800X3D. I had just minimal problems. Would boot up. I entered the bios, checked the settings, changed nothing and saved the current settings. Et voila, it started. Didn't even have to reinstall anything. Driverss, obviously, but thats it. Easy peasy :D

[@KenPSI]

What I've found out after many years of PC building is never skimp on ram stick with g skill, corair kingston etc. Most off brand memory are sub quality b-c grade ram.

[@stavrosmavrides6157]

The 4080's utilization seems to be 100% on both platforms when the performance is similar. I guess a 4090 would create a bigger gap to be filled, where the 5800x3d might struggle even more.

[@ErockOnTech]

The usage is about the same. But the FPS is clearly different. Although it depends on the game and resolution of course.

[@cjpp78ytube]

I did the same upgrade. Went from 5800x3d to 7800x3d. My AM4 board was nicer though being a high end x570 ASUS dark hero board. My new board is a ASUS B650 plus wifi board with G skill 6000mhz ram. So far no issues except slow boot times so ill try the things you suggested for that

[@WebbTech1]

One day, I'll be like you! ;-) My current AM4 platform is performing so well I wonder why I should even upgrade to AM5. But it's early in the year, by year's end if I see certain AM5 issues are ironed out (specifically the 7800X3D cpu), then I may just take the plunge!

[@zushikatetomotoshift1575]

@@WebbTech1 I think I would wait for AM5 to mature more before jumping. My ryzen 5800x3d is running well with my High end x570x Crosshair wifi, 2 sticks of corsair 3600mhz 2 stick 32gb total.

[@ErockOnTech]

Did you try the settings? Did it help?

[@chriall]

I'll stick to AM4 for now & see how the next gen of AM5 shapes out, hopefully they can sort out all these issues soon

[@ErockOnTech]

I’m sure they will in time.

[@michaelhawkins7389]

@@ErockOnTech OMG what is that graphics card ? lol it's so big , is it a 4090?

[@ErockOnTech]

@@michaelhawkins7389 lol 😂 it’s a Gigabyte Aero RTX 4080.

[@michaelhawkins7389]

@@ErockOnTech oh nice

[@smeshfactory3992]

I built my first ever PC yesterday, my current one was a 11 year old Intel i7 my cousin built for me. I went with the AMD Ryzen 7 78003DX AM5, Gigabyte B650M Aorus Elite AX, Corsair 6000mhz DDR5 64GB AMD EXPO, Gigabyte Gefore RTX 3060 12GB OC V2 etc... It took me 8 hours putting it all together and luckily it all worked right off the bat, I was shitting myself the entire time thinking I'll hear a pop and smell a puff of smoke as I turn it on for the first time or that I may have shorted something. I updated the Bios and whatever else needed to be updated on my end prior to hearing about this horror story, fingers crossed I don't come across any issues as I can't afford to replace anything. I don't even know how to make my ram run at it's advertised 6000mhz, I think it's running about 4800hmz or something.

[@Plackomiot]

Why does a youtuber upgrade his rig everytime there is an upgrade available? To make new content and make money again

[@Kapono5150]

This will be my last Asus motherboard. I didn’t like how Asus handled the 7800X3D situation. Also, I was able to fix a lot of the problems with turning off Fast boot. Boot times are slow but it really helped while running Expo 2 profile. I think most of this depends on how good your memory controller is.

[@DD-sw1dd]

I know about the bios issues with OCP, but did they do something else?

[@Kapono5150]

@@DD-sw1dd Just didn’t like how they handled the 7800X3D situation. They removed all old bios versions from the website and they had a typo in a bio’s description.

[@DD-sw1dd]

@@Kapono5150 Ah. True, tho I get why they removed the exploding bios’s considering what was happening. But if they claim that old bios wasn’t listed as compatible their will be major issues. I just feel as if this issue is on both AMD and all other board manufacturers, as many others did the same thing and pulled the old bios downloads. I’m currently slowly building this setup. Everything is installed except for the hardline tubing. X670e Crosshair 7800x3d My old system is an intel i7 5960x setup that’s 10 years old and I’ve always liked Asus’s mb solutions and bios. Hate to have to go to an unfamiliar brand.

[@ErockOnTech]

@@DD-sw1dd They released a beta BIOS, issued a warning and said they were not responsible if it hurt your system. Yet, they insisted you needed the BIOS for the 7800X3D.

[@AChillin01R]

Same here. I will never buy a ASUS motherboard again. I upgraded my processor to 5600x and worked fine. I did a BIOS update and all of sudden my processor was heating up for just doing very small tasks that was using the CPU. It was trying my nuts on what it was. I changed the CPU cooler and still same problem. I just updated it to the newest BIOS and everything is working fine now. YES ASUS fixed the problem but how they handled it was HORRIBLE.

[@giovannicalnea8696]

I think this will be the reason why I have to change my mind instead of AMD 7000 series to Intel 13th gen, this really help 👍

[@x8jason8x]

Intel has the same issues.

[@justanobody4983]

Good choice, amd is just problematic. I never had boot loops, not posting, dead rams, etc. with intel. Amd is just a whole lot of hot crap.

[@ErockOnTech]

I am happy to help!

[@surfx4804]

Great video, and thanks for facing into the AM5teething problems for us. I slapped a 5800x3d in my AM4 quite some time ago, and decided to avoid the early adopter issues on AM5. I play at 4k, so I don't feel I am missing out that much yet. I have upgraded some friend's systems to 13600k (they are Intel only people) and that was quite nice, maybe I will also see what Intel do next as well.

[@bodasactra]

I decided to upgrade my 2600X/5600XT build to 5600X3D/6750XT. This 5 year old build now matches, and sometimes beats, a $700 current gen 7600X/4060Ti 16GB build in games for about $300 less money, not even counting the cost of an AM5 platform upgrade.

[@ErockOnTech]

That’s fantastic!

[@JamesKirk1988]

I've built 1 AM5 system so far, and about to build one for myself. The one I built had memory issues initially that was causing random crashing. Luckily, a BIOS update fixed all problems and the system's been 100% stable since. I'm about to build a system with a v2 of a Gigabyte board and a 7800X3D. I intentionally waited a year before going to AM5 to wait for these bugs to all be ironed out.

[@MrGivesuccess]

I went from AM3 to AM5 and had no issues at all. I used the Ryzen 5 7600x. Love it so far!

[@Refrn]

Same, my 7600x has had zero issues and the initial lack of cheap motherboards didn’t bother me because I wanted one with built in wifi anyways

[@LetThemIn]

Same my 7600x posted first try and enabled expo with no issues

[@ErockOnTech]

Awesome! Happy for you!

[@ErockOnTech]

@@Refrn You all have 7600X's. I wonder if the CPU SKU has something to do with it.

[@ErockOnTech]

@@LetThemIn You all have 7600X's. I wonder if the CPU SKU has something to do with it.

[@x8jason8x]

Good looking out. I won't move to AM5 until the next chip series comes out, since it's their first LGA socket... I might not at all until the socket shows some maturity with AMD, burning chips is part of new tech growing pains.

[@ErockOnTech]

Yeah waiting is wise currently.

[@Cirris]

The recent bios update for AMD motherboards included some AGESA updates to lower the SOC voltage on ram. There's been issues where some overvolting ram is effecting temps in the CPU causing some to outright fry and die taking the MOBO with them. While not the best fix for the issue. the lower of voltage on DDR 5 ram helps prevent damaging CPUs. But the caveat to that is that lowering voltages in ram makes them less stable. But I think your final solution was prudent. of the reviews of AM5 boards that I have seen, the ASUS boards seem to be ranked dead last in most of their offerings.

[@ErockOnTech]

Yeah Asus seems to be the worst by far. I agree.

[@SHD-Shepherd]

Your advice in this video helped me get my AM5 upgrade going. Thank you!

[@ErockOnTech]

That's great to hear!

[@abhirams9336]

I have 7950x CPU with ASUS B650 Plus Wifi. I also noticed the problem with single stick of ram. It only boots in B2 slot. But other than that, its quite stable.

[@ErockOnTech]

Good to know! I appreciate the feedback!

[@TheRealFloc]

I appreciate this comprehensive video man. I haven’t upgraded to gen 5 on either the Intel side of the AMD side. I favor AMD in most cases but I’m still hesitant to invest into AMD this generation. I feel like their 8th gen will have these issues all ironed out so I may wait.

[@ErockOnTech]

Yeah either wait for AMD 8000 or Intel 14th gen which will launch early 2024.

[@lightward9487]

AMD is estupi fail full

[@topkek6800]

Good video! I have to say though, switching the 5800x3d from the left side to the right side and back constantly was distracting and hard to follow. Either having a consistent layout or somehow marking each side in a different way (i.e. logo's) rather than text would be better.

[@SpaceDust_97]

Exactly my thoughts, but I suppose it just got meshed in the process that way.....but harder to follow/messing with my brain how it's laid out like that.

[@ErockOnTech]

Yeah you are correct. I realized that as well. The editing process became a nightmare at the end there. My editing software kept crashing and I had to keep re-adding the benchmark data. I apologize for that. Normally, I wouldn't do it that way. In my urgency to get the video out, I flipped flopped the results at times.

[@ErockOnTech]

@@SpaceDust_97 Yeah you are correct. I realized that as well. The editing process became a nightmare at the end there. My editing software kept crashing and I had to keep re-adding the benchmark data. I apologize for that. Normally, I wouldn't do it that way. In my urgency to get the video out, I flipped flopped the results at times.

[@Charlie-zj3hw]

I researched so much before I upgraded to AM5 and my build has been rock solid.. my boot times are just as fast as am4 now .. just gotta keep your bios updated ..the last one lowered my idol temps by 10C and sits at 38c

[@Refrn]

My 7600x boot times are actually too fast whenever I want to get into the bios I’m on the windows login screen before it can register I’m spamming f12

[@ErockOnTech]

That's fantastic!

[@TheOdsystem]

What motherboard are you using?

[@TheOdsystem]

@@Refrn What's your motherboard? It would be very helpful if you answer me.

[@Refrn]

@@TheOdsystem its the aurus elite AX

[@Kitty_Salad]

I have gone from a 5800X3D to 7800X3D aswell, it cost me nearly 1200$? 700$ for cpu 200$ ram and 300for mobo, gained like 20% ish increase overall, but honestly the biggest change was AM5 actually feels a lot smoother than am4 for me less stutters

[@NZIGNANTI]

What gpu...?

[@davidstephens189]

Thanks! Even 4 months later, you gave me some good info to use.

[@easyeric601]

This has been a bummer to hear. Been looking forward to replacing my 7 year old system and was leaning towards a 7600 or 7700 with an edge motherboard for efficiency reasons. Probably now going to go with a 13600.

[@ultratronger]

dude, all his issues are his fault, he did not check the motherboard's QVL, he brought this upon himself, dont be an idiot lol

[@burnurass7543]

@@ultratronger but regardless amd has problems which makes it a not newbie friendly platform or are U gonna deny that part too?

[@ErockOnTech]

13600 is a great choice.

[@TexasCat99]

I didn't have any problems with my AM5 build. ASUS has major problems, that's not related to AM5 which for sure has some teething issues, but overall... Most people are happy with 7000s.

[@Zombie101]

7600 here zero issues

[@GamerToday]

My customers have had several of these issues so its nice to see a video on it legit how it goes. I learned all this from my clients 😅

[@ErockOnTech]

Yeah I’m a small KZbinr. I was curious why this wasn’t covered in more detail by bigger KZbinrs.

[@surfx4804]

I stook with AM4, slotted in a 5800x3d to go with my 4090 and am happy. So I'll be looking at what comes next on AM5 or Intel 14th gen for my upgrade. I have been on AM4 for years going 2600x > 3700x > 5800x > 5800x3d (and GPUs 1070 Ti > 3080 > 4090) (and 3440x1440 144Hz > 4k 120Hz screen wise) I figured I would wait for AMD to fix AM5 (after all AM4 was bad to start with and I expected that again).

[@ginzero]

Same, will wait till more compelling PCIe 5 and DDR5 price/performance as well..

[@surfx4804]

@@ginzero And less fires!

[@michal1693]

​@@surfx4804 - max 10 am5 users got their cpus burned. 7 of them intentionaly. in your perception it is burning? uninstall internet. You can not cope with information

[@panagiotisandrikopoulos6853]

7600 cpu,7600 gpu, ram32g - 5600 mhz, non issue 15 days i have it everythings runs great

[@MrSabba666]

Just booted my new build MB Asrock B650-E, CPU 7800X3D, DDR5 32GB 5600mhz Kingston single stick (can't aford the second one for now). First boot took about 45 sec, very stresfull 45 sec but after that all is good, i have some coil whine (MB) but not too bad. All settings are factory in the BIOS for now, didn't feel the need for Overclocking.

[@danfg7215]

In my 30+ years building my own computers, I've never had one work perfectly immediately after being built without a single hitch like my latest AM4 I built this year. It's like a unicorn. Watching this video, I'm so glad I didn't go AM5.

[@ErockOnTech]

Yeah it was pretty rough lol.

[@lkiluo89luhkkyjyjgyjgjg44]

@@ErockOnTech It might be Asus motherboard.

[@ErockOnTech]

@@lkiluo89luhkkyjyjgyjgjg44 At the time, it was many factors.

[@unknown-x-1777]

Never had a problem until AM5. Could not get it to post and had the Dram light on. Ended up accidentally doing the same thing putting only 1 stick in to get it to post. Just don't know why my motherboard asus says docp instead of xpo, had problem with games lagging but had good fps.

[@ConnorH2111]

I went AM5 for my first ever build in January and had literally no issues.

[@bennyryan35]

Im currently rocking a x570, 5800x3d and a 7900 xtx. With the price to performance with am5 i will definitely wait till the next gen or even later. I get 25k on timespy 3DMark so I'm happy

[@ErockOnTech]

I agree. There is no need to upgrade at this time.

[@ArtisChronicles]

There's definitely issues with motherboards this gen. I'm only too happy to stick to AM4. Very early on AM4 there was lots of ram issues. Other than that it usually wasn't too bad. Seemed like the best worst case ram scenario was getting stuck at 2133 or 2400 on AMD back then.

[@nekesel]

Yeah I just upgraded my am4 setup to a 5800x3d. Don't see any reason I can't wait for whatever comes after am5 before upgrading.

[@QTmodz-Projects]

I am planning on doing the same.

[@ErockOnTech]

I just made a new video called AM5 1 Year Later. AM5 is now much better! kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJivq2iMisegetU

[@ErockOnTech]

@@QTmodz-Projects I just made a new video called AM5 1 Year Later. AM5 is now much better! kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJivq2iMisegetU

[@bigarmydave]

Zero issues with my 7950x3d and 7800x3d. Both booted perfectly, with no ram issues. The only thing I have (on both) is boot times are slow.

[@ErockOnTech]

That’s great! Did you see my tips in the video about how to improve the boot times?

[@NateNakao]

I'm on a Ryzen 7 5800X3D with the RX 6950 XT. It's a great combo, and I'm not planning on upgrading anytime soon. I intend to wait until at least a generation or two into AM5.

[@d-law868]

Hi Nate, I just wondered if for ex 5800X would work just as fine since you have such a great GPU ? I was under the impression that the X3D came better in hand in combination with a tier down GPU 🤔

[@arthur78]

I just built a 7800X3D system (my first in 12 years), I was anxious and dreading running into issues since I heard so much about them, but to my delight it posted on my first try, fast boot times, and no issues whatsoever so far. Granted I only used it for one day but it's been a good start! I didn't enable EXPO or change any bios settings yet. I want to wait for non-beta bios update with the new AGESA from AMD to make sure the voltage issues have been fixed before I overclock.

[@ADobbin1]

By the sound of it you probably didn't use an ASUS MB. ASUS is the one that seems to be the source of the problem not the AMD CPU's.

[@arthur78]

@@ADobbin1 I did actually use an ASUS MB (B650E-I). I do wish I went with another brand after learning about the issues they're having and the company's anti-consumer response. Only issue I have so far is minor coil whine, but I kept settings at stock and haven't stress tested the system yet, which I intend to do soon and I'll see how it goes...

[@ErockOnTech]

You have some good luck!

[@ErockOnTech]

@@ADobbin1 Asus is the worst for sure, but they are not the only boards with issues. AM5 as a whole had platform bugs. There are subreddits discussing this.

[@lordstevewilson1331]

When am5 came out i went from 8 core fx chip to 16 core 5950x am4 chip for the stability of am4 platform I'm happy with it.

[@Born_Stellar]

and the FX is really more of a 4 core 8 thread, where the 5950 is a 32 thread. huge upgrade. amazed you managed on an FX for the last 6 years!

[@ErockOnTech]

Wise choice!

[@lordstevewilson1331]

@@Born_Stellar I was also running sapphire rx480 8g blower gpu, great gpu, i now went to MSI 6950XT gaming x trio, I like to go for mature last get tech

[@edgarvos3588]

I build a 7900x msi b650 tomahawk 64gb 4 stick ddr5 6000 corsair vengence , 6950xt and I have 0 issues xmp was easy to set and have been running perfect for the past 3 months

[@edgarvos3588]

@@RavenHart-wh3jo don't buy any A620 motherboard rather get the Asrock-B650M-HDV-M-2 it's cheap and good you could upgrade later. The A620 apparently are bad

[@edgarvos3588]

@@RavenHart-wh3jo I'm using my.2 Samsung 980 Pro 1tb

[@edgarvos3588]

Update my 6950xt just broke during playing MW2 so I put in my old 3060ti and send back my 6950xt for repair

[@Da_padilla]

I built on the AM 5 Platform, its a tomahawk b650 and a 7600x, and have not had any problems.....

[@darknight7793]

I had with mine ordered another board hopefully it works

[@JayzBeerz]

The 5900X is only $289.99 right now for people still on AM4 looking for an upgrade.

[@djmidnightwolf]

Honestly, this is what helped me to choose between the 5600X and 7600. The build I had would have been a $100 price difference. I wanted to go with AM5 but the issues are what kept me from it.

[@No-vq1iv]

I have an R9 5900X, I've yet to see a game that makes the usage surpass 50%. I don't play at 4K but if anything I think the usage would actually be lower at 4K, since the GPU would be doing more of the work.

[@ErockOnTech]

You’re right. I will say though, I’ve never seen a CPU hit 100% except during UE4 shader compilation during the start of games. But during gaming, I’ve only ever seen between 50-60%.

[@leroyjenkins0736]

​​@@ErockOnTech Ryzen 5800x hits 100 in the last of us running at 4.7 ghz

[@TheRealFloc]

I voche and say that I have a 4080 and a 5900x and I rarely see it pass 35% - 40% when I game at 4k.

[@No-vq1iv]

@@leroyjenkins0736 I think even a quantum computer would bottleneck with The Last of Us.

[@ErockOnTech]

@@leroyjenkins0736 Yeah the last of us made me hit 100% on the shader screen. During the gameplay I was bouncing on different cores. Some cores were 30% while some cores were 80-90%. But that game also had some serious performance problems. I completed it and moved on. Supposedly, they released a patch recently that improved the performance.

[@DavidDavis-Photography]

i have been building my own pc's for twenty years and have never experienced massive problems like the AM5 platform. and to be honest i had a bad gut feeling when i saw what the new platforms were supposed to do in terms of performance. Such performance leaps take time and require a lot. Don't be blinded by the "nice" numbers because that is only part of the marketing strategy. Personally, I'm sticking with my AM4 build until the AM5 is stable and compatibility issues are resolved.

[@ErockOnTech]

Wise decision!

[@x8jason8x]

Lol... yeah the AM5 plat is buggy but you must not have built a lot of computers 20 years ago. XP was a fantastic OS, but installs could be nightmarish at times, even if you knew what you were doing. Part compatibility was a joke, driver conflicts for days... oh the fun times. PC building has lost quite a bit of the difficulty, everything is pretty much plug and play now. Not to say it isn't an art, but low to mid end builds are adult legos, OS installs are near painless, and the few bugs AM5 has really are just because they switched to a LGA socket. The maturity will come with the next generations.

[@CherishAlejan]

Your insights about the instability and inconsistency of AM5 as a platform are quite valuable, great video👏👏👏

[@jessevanspaandonk]

Thanks for your advice. Memory Context Restore fastend my build! Running a 7600X with no issues also boot times fixed now thanks to this video!

[@scarpint3]

Recently upgraded from AM4 to AM5. Same ROG MB and CPU and went with Gskillz RAM. The initial swap was a bit painful as I had to clean install windows. Otherwise, my system has been completely stable and running fantastic.

[@mryellow6918]

A tip for that I now use after my windows was corrupted. Was to just have an os drive and nothing else on it

[@chillnspace777]

if you do go AM5 don't get a ASUS motherboard.

[@GabrielLopez-ec9fc]

Why ??

[@spicynoodles307]

thank you Erock for sharing your experience and spreading awareness i'm building a new pc at the moment wanted to go am5 so bad but i'm forced to buy my parts overseas so it's a no go for me imagine something like what happened to you happened with me i will lose my money it's nightmare, i think we just need to wait for the platform to mature like am4 god knows how long that will take but thank you again

[@ErockOnTech]

I'm happy I could help. I am not saying I didn't make a mistake during the process. But the fact is, if I had these struggles, then I know other people can as well. In fact, people in my Discord have many AM5 related issues. When it works, it's great. But the initial setup can be frustrating.

[@jackdyck2921]

Just purchased an AM4 to replace my AM3+. I had no problem with the AM4. I have always bought "mature" platforms. Still have my AM3+.

[@pandaCRX808]

Thank you for all the info was sitting on mobo, 7800x3d, and memory for a build I just finished. Luckily I saw this video in time to return the intel XMP memory. Build is up and running for a week no issues so far only turned on EXPO and PBO. Fingers crossed it stays stable.

[@chrisvig123]

If your after productivity AM5 is the way to go

[@ErockOnTech]

Yeah Davinci Resolve is faster for me. Smoother.

[@ccanaves]

When AM4 launched with the 1000 series Ryzen processors there were also several issues and stupid gimmicks that were fixed generation after generation, and it ended up being a super stable platform. The same will probably happen with AM5.

[@deathrager2404]

bro i saw this add it was a complete pc and contained this gigabyte b550 gaming x v2 5600x 1080ti 32 gb ram 1 tb m2 ssd 600w psu for 500 euros. i instantly went and bought that lol. sold the 1080ti as i already had a 1080ti in my own rig (4670k talk about bottleneck) for 175, so i got this beastly pc for 325 euros. insane!!! talk about best bang for buck. i can easily sell this without my gpu for 650 and with the gpu 850 even. insane mad profit. but i will keep this what i haev now fuck that. 325 euros bro!!!!!

[@jotaquim5653]

​​@@deathrager2404Crazy cuz that setup is like 2.000 reais on my country. This show how overpriced manufatured products are here in Brasil. 😂

[@deathrager2404]

@@jotaquim5653 brasil's used market?

[@jotaquim5653]

@@deathrager2404 oh i meant hardware products Sorry

[@jotaquim5653]

@@deathrager2404 hardware products ARE so overpriced here

[@Scooter30FTW]

Yeah,I think I'm going to avoid AM5 for now. With the issues you and other have had,along with the higher prices I think I will wait a while for the bugs to get ironed out.

[@JEHendrix]

I wouldn’t pan all AM5 builds. Two weeks ago, I threw together a Ryzen 7900 on an MSI MPG B650I EDGE Motherboard with 64GB of Corsair Vengeance DDR5 5600MHz memory, a Seagate 4TB FireCuda SSD and a GeForce RTX 3060 Graphics Card. I actually used the Wraith Prism cooler that came with that 64W CPU. No problems. It runs like lightning and has been rock stable from the get go. Only do optimized boost using Ryzen Master. I’m a photo/video editor, not a gamer. Appreciate you relating your experiences, especially the memory advice. Thanks.

[@ErockOnTech]

No problem. Just trying to help. Did you watch the whole video? I only ask because later in the video I did show how I switched off from Asus to MSI and I am mostly stable. I said I’m about 90% stable since then.

[@JEHendrix]

@@ErockOnTech - Yes, I watched it all. Glad you put it out there.

[@thomasadams4992]

my am 5 build with the asus 650 e and ryzen 7950x no problem what so ever its water cooled runs at 60 deg.

[@ErockOnTech]

That is fantastic! This video is 1 year old. So a lot has changed. I just made a new video called AM5 1 Year Later. AM5 is now much better! kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJivq2iMisegetU

[@SinjiKazama]

You've earned a subscriber. Very thorough and down to earth content. Sorry you went all through those issues, but it helped me decide to go for the 13700K instead of the 7800X3D.

[@FreedomForAll2013]

Good choice

[@ultratronger]

dude, this guy didnt check his motherboard's QVL, thats his issue, if he had he wouldnt have had any issues at all, its a customer problem not an AM5 problem, youre getting a worse cpu for no reason

[@FreedomForAll2013]

@@ultratronger its not a worse CPU though is it? Not if used with 8000mhz RAM and tuned properly. Jufes on Frame Chasers showed why intel is a good option so I'll leave it to him to educate you also

[@FreedomForAll2013]

@@ultratronger and I use AM4 personally so no I'm not a Fanboy

[@ErockOnTech]

Awesome! Thank you so much for the kind words and the sub!

[@GiuseppeSan]

Super helpful video. I just bought AM5 components, almost identical to what your final configuration wound up being, except I went for MSI B650 Tomahawk. From what I can see in other online posts it looks like Gigabyte and MSI are handling AM5 much better than Asus and Asrock. Fingers crossed my build will go well (excited for a long overdue upgrade from 4690k and gtx 980)! Thank you for sharing your hurdles, it's helpful to the whole community.

[@ErockOnTech]

Thank you for this comment! I really appreciate it. How did your build go? Is all well?

[@GiuseppeSan]

@@ErockOnTech thanks for asking! got delayed by a week due ordering the wrong case but will be starting next weekend

[@ErockOnTech]

@@GiuseppeSan No worries! Best of luck!

[@Avatar-es5xt]

​@@GiuseppeSanhow'd it go?

[@GiuseppeSan]

Build went great! No problems after bios flash update. I was able to undervolt the cpu using curve optimizer, 20-30. Also undervolted VSOC down to 1.16V. Quite stable after throwing a bunch of CPU stress tests at it. And the 4080 is crushing any game I throw at it :) quitr pleased overall!

[@markh351]

Gonna sit tight with my Ryzen 7 3700X for the next few years in my gaming rig but thanks for this perspective! Always nice to see how such upgrades pan out and what the performance uplift actually is.

[@KeyserSoeze]

Same here, 3700X build form 2019, recently got a good price on a 4070TI (started with Vega 56, then sold it high and bought 3060TI and made a small profit years after ^^) And its a good system that will hold for years.

[@bjornlauret4205]

i got the 3700x its getting old i got a redeon 6950xt and the cpu is the bottleneck now apperantly it was also the bottleneck for my rtx 2070 super aswell

[@KeyserSoeze]

@@bjornlauret4205 I noticed some bottlenecking when playing without RTX and DLSS 3.0, but when those are turned on the CPU don't seem to bottleneck to much.

[@markh351]

@@bjornlauret4205 I don't think it's old, I think that AMD has simply re-ignited the CPU wars and we are now seeing fairly significant performance leaps every year much like we did in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Prior to my 3700X, I had an i5 4590 in my gaming rig and got 6 1/2 years out of it before it was pooched for modern AAA games.

[@bjornlauret4205]

@@markh351 nooo its definatly old seeing as games used to run fine with my rtx and now it doesent so its definatly cuz games are getting bigger and my proccesor is getting old

[@Jlmoral001]

Same happened to me!!!!!!!!! I changed motherboard, and now everything is fine.

[@ErockOnTech]

I’m glad everything is fine now.

[@cssplayer91]

....I'm glad I still hold onto my am3+ build with the amd fx 9590 processor and gigabyte 990fx gaming motherboard. It's obviously not as fast as am4 or am5 but at least it's a matured platform that has been performing rock solid for me after about a decade. I can still play brand new games at 1080p ultra graphics with ray tracing on at a locked 30fps which I'm completely happy about 👍

[@wunder9147]

I was curious about am5 as I've heard good things about performance, but this was definitely valuable information. Think I'll stick with my AM4 platform for a couple years til AMD irons this out

[@fakee7744]

I switched to AM5 recently and had no issues at all. Booted on first try and everything works well. On my previous AM4 build, i had random issues with my RAM. It was happening like twice a year, but I had to randomly swap the RAMs in between the slots until they started magically working again. A friend of mine switched at least 2 motherboards and 3 pairs of RAM, because his system was unstable on AM4 platform. I also have friends that have AM4 motherboards without any issues. I think it just comes down to luck, whether you get the right piece or the wrong one.

[@born2serve92]

@@fakee7744 same I went with at 7700x and am5 has been good to me

[@LatitudeSky]

Really happy with my AM4 built during the last year or so. Currently on a 5800X and getting everything out of it my GPU can do, so the X3D part would not be of much benefit. It's still way better than any PC I've ever owned, going back to the 1990s.

[@ErockOnTech]

That’s awesome! Happy to hear it!

[@MasterJediSean]

I think that Steve at Gamers Nexus pointed out that there was almost 1.5 volts going to the ram where it should be 1.35 at the most. This problem apparently happens on the Asus X650E boards as well. I think.

[@ErockOnTech]

Yeah he also noticed higher voltages on Gigabyte boards. But the Asus boards were the worst by far.

[@SG-sj6cw]

​@@ErockOnTechthat's not accurate. My gigabyte board has been fine from day one

[@ErockOnTech]

@@SG-sj6cw Dude you’re really being annoying in the comments. It is great that YOUR system is fine. BUT stop assuming everyone else’s systems will be like yours. What I said is true. Gamers Nexus showed a Gigabyte board in his video. Go watch it!

[@SG-sj6cw]

@@ErockOnTech you're just annoyed because you're being proven wrong. The MAJORITY of the systems are working just fine

[@ErockOnTech]

@@SG-sj6cw ok dude 👍

[@UltimaDoge]

I upgraded my way outdated PC to an ASUS ROG Strix Gaming wifi II Board with the 5800X3D and a kit of 4x8GB Corsair Vengeance Pro and a Corsair MP600 Pro M.2 and Ive never been happier. It works absolutely fine and I don’t think I have to upgrade the next few years.

[@SpectralFlame]

I think AMD went all-in with the 7950X3D only. My conclusion is that you want to stay on am4 since the other processors in the X3D series virtually offer no significant performance gain. If anything I'm seeing a trend that more RAM(64gb+)high-speed storage (m.2 / pcie5) will become more important in the future. So your planning should start with a future proof motherboard (usb4/wifi6e/m.2 with pcie 5.0)

[@jozsiolah1435]

If you would like to enhance the gaming performance, you have to complete the quests, that you are instructed to do during the games. Most gamers keep away from the quests, they just hover through the levels. For example, shooting through the walls, taking down helicopters, the quests elevate the performance permanently, useful for other applications. For some systems, the quests are hard, because the abilities are locked. I needed 10 retries to take out the 2 choppers in Cod4, and I needed 8 retries to take out 1 chopper with the stinger, because the laptop disallowed it. My performance boost was amazing after the quests were completed.

[@LumieX]

Chatgpt is that you?

[@zjaranyjoe7456]

Thanks, now I will stay on AM4 much longer :D

[@ErockOnTech]

No problem!

[@EvanOfTheDarkness]

Applying an all core -30 offset in curve optimizer will almost certainly make your system unstable. You should *always* run stress test for stability after overclocking or undervolting your CPU. The new best tool for that is CoreCycler that runs Prime 95 on each core to see if they are stable. And you should test both with and without AVX (obviously).

[@ErockOnTech]

I’ll concede to the fact that I should have clarified that it’s CPU dependent and silicon lottery plays a factor etc. However, -30 all core works fine for me. My Discord member is running his at -35. Before you say “that’s not possible.” Look it up. It’s possible and more common on these new chips. This isn’t the 5800X3D anymore. But yes, nonetheless, people should apply changes and then test them accordingly. I agree. I’ll clarify that better next time. Which is this upcoming Friday’s video.

[@EvanOfTheDarkness]

@@ErockOnTech It can be stable, but from my experience on Ryzen 5000, PBO "overclocking" is very tricky to test for stability. Unlike with a regular overclock, the usual current and thermal limits still apply, so your CPU cores won't run on its max boost frequency all the time, only when single core tasks or lighter all core tasks, that's why we need the new tools. For me, Cinebench was rock stable, AIDA64 took over 20 minutes to detect an error, but CoreCycler with AVX (which is just Prime95 restricted to a single core) crashed the system almost instantly, when it selected an unstable core. Really I just wanted to say: Test your undervolts with CoreCycler and with AVX on/off just to be sure.

[@jamesfoo8999]

lol you swapped am4/am5 left right of the screen. Almost bought am4 thinking it was faster in some games. Great video thanks!

[@LBBUCKLE]

i built a AM4 PC 2 months ago. No regrets.

[@Shahezad_]

thank you sir for transparent information, I was planning to build 7800x3D, really helpful information

[@ErockOnTech]

I’m happy you found value in the video!

[@cmja09]

6:22 i had a problem with this on Geil DDR4 RAMs, first time encountering sticks that wont boot on any AM4 board, only boots on intel boards

[@zipkitty]

My first ever self-built gaming PC was with the AM5 platform (used pre-built before). I have to say that the experience was really straight forward. I did get informed beforehand though. I went will an all AMD build 7700X + 7800 XT. I got worried during memory training, but once in the BIOS I enabled EXPO and all went well. I have no issues whatsoever, even considering I am gaming under Linux. Temps are awesome, performance is reasonable for the component prices (which are even worse than US prices here in Europe). I gotta say it is a massive improvement over my AM4 pre-built, even though boot times are a bit slower, considering you have 32 GB of 6000 MHz RAM in two sticks.

[@riccotexture8379]

I appreciate your honesty,ty. Being a puter guy since 386 days to play links386 after a long install of soundblaster floppy I've seen enough changes & familiar with when it's buggy it's just gonna be. Concerning since obviously there's underlying issues so I'd lose sleep. Now a big big ty since I just started to look at an upgrade from b550 plus & you saved me. I don't have the time for all that. My system is so stable I'll wait for another upgrade cycle or go back to intel as always. This being a first amd build in 20years I'm happy with at around 300fps w ryzen 5 & 6650xt no overclk. I'll save your link because of absolute honesty. Ty ty

[@pedrolantyer]

gotta love it when Johnny Sins posts some benchmark videos

[@ErockOnTech]

Lmao 🤣 I love it! Keep it coming! I got another one on Friday!

[@DarkStarProGamer]

I've been using my 7900x on a Gigabyte Aorus Elite x670 board since November 2022. It booted up every single time, never crashed, and has seen me through overnight gaming marathons. I've used Kingston HyperX Beast 4800 C38 , recently switched to G-Skill Trident z5 6000 C30. I check for Bios updates about once a month and apply them. I suppose I've been incredibly lucky as I certainly did not choose that combination of board or ram- Those were my only choices at the time LOL !! I've only had one minor instance of Bluetooth crashing, this was my own fault.

[@TrevorSullivan]

Late 2024 I'm still using the 3950X with 64GB DDR4 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super. It's an awesome gaming system. I don't need the latest platform, even though I could easily afford it if I wanted to.

[@shirolee]

Holy cow man, that was rough. Thanks for giving us a heads up

[@LandsOfDespair]

I have had several Asus motherboards throughout the years, every one of them had some problems: either compatibility issues, some startup problems, reboot loops etc. That's why I don't trust them anymore. No problem with other Asus products though.