ESC Motor Combo Showdown

[@ominousnefarious5919]

I dont think our fellow RC enthusiasts get enough of this right here: "THANK YOU!!!!!!!!" Thank you for the time you took out of your day to make a great comparison video, thank you for the blood sweat and tears, the cost, and frustration! I personally ABSOLUTELY appreciate you and your videos!!!!!

[@jalee6587]

The blue ebay ESC I have been running for 5 years on 2s never failed me

[@NoFluffRC]

Yeah it's fine. It's definitely fast enough. It's just that awful lag that I don't like. It definitely impacts several types of driving. But it's fine for many types of fun. Thanks for the comment!

[@extec101]

the lagging is not only from the ESC traxxas radios got horrible respons times also.

[@NoFluffRC]

True, but I kept the radio the same across all the combos

[@stanthehandyman3719]

Whats wild was 40 years ago I thought my all ball bearing Tamiya Frog was fling at 30mph... Just getting back into the hobby so I found this pretty informative. Thanks

[@NoFluffRC]

Thanks for the comment. Yeah that was my brief stint back into RC last year after probably 20 years. I too found it pretty amazing how far the electric has come

[@adibee88]

Kevin! Thank you for this great content, your time money research and research! Not to mention the countless hours editing and producing the content footage, the money that you have to spend because you broke your gear during video shoots, etc. THANK YOU!🎉❤ First time on your channel, I will SUBSCRIBE.🔥

[@69jonhill]

Nice vid. I put a Surpass system in my Rustler 2wd XL5 and it totally rips. Top speed went from 35mph to 53.5, with no other changes to my set up. It cost roughly £40GBP from Banggood.

[@carscoffee5263]

Would have been cool if you told us can sizes, motor kvs and esc amp specs..

[@NoFluffRC]

You're 100% correct. Still learning... I was in to nitro 20 years ago. I'm just getting into electrics

[@OliFPV]

​@@NoFluffRC ???? And what Esc Motors etc. is that??? you answere it but not as we ask for, omg ....

[@OliFPV]

...i guess we will never know what he build in, sad 😞☝️ @NoFluffRC ☝️

[@MangoJim90]

first was 3900kv, second 5200(!!!!)kv and the castle was 3800kv. Sizes was 3650

[@OliFPV]

@@MangoJim90 okey? And what ESC?? What Amps?? U are funny 🤣🤣🤣 KV told me nothing ☝️😪

[@traviscozza7177]

Had very good luck with surpass hobby but have to admit I just did a speed run build and I used hobbywing instead. I needed to go 4s in a small package and that was the best option

[@DjangosteinCustomRC]

Great video sorry you wrecked 2x. Some additional weight in the car will help hold it down. Motor size and kv are important and esc amps also important information that your viewers would appreciate. For your future 1/10 builds..... Try a serpent 750e it's quite durable. A titan blitz : lola 230mm body will protect it well in a crash and hold the car down at high speed. Poseidon 1412 3300kv will handle 5s. Mamba monster x 6s esc wil perform well. Xpress dr1s dragnalo is another one of my favorite 1/10 chassis that perform well and is affordable. Rock on......thanks for the video.

[@Xbrand845RC]

Excellent content bro keep it up!!!🏎️💨💯👍🏾

[@Xplanker]

I'm a helicopter and fixed wing guy. We have to set our throttle end points. Do you have to do that with cars?

[@CajunManNick1980]

Yes, but it is a way more simplistic task with surface vehicles because the only setpoint you calibrate is the throttle in the ESC, unless you have a receiver with TSM/DSM built in.

[@TrFusion]

What about combination of cheap ebay brushless motor and premium motor driver?

[@NoFluffRC]

Yeah I've thought about that. Haven't tried it

[@allenpowell1702]

Running surpass rocket system here. It's a tank and it's cheap. Good enough for my summit 1/10. Getting those wheelies in is so much fun!

[@andrew4403]

I go with the $90 unit. And then pair the motor with a really good ESC. Because you did get 75 mi an hour out of it on a 3s. 👍👍👍👍

[@daveovington5525]

It helps with the goolrc set up if you have the program card . I have one in my sct amd it scoots along pretty good and rooster tales gravel in turns and everything , still alot of fun for alot less money

[@josesandra1946]

I think you got more bang for the buck with the surpass esc and motor at 3S cuz you had to go to 4S with the castle copper head to get 75 mph but all in all great video.

[@Mr.Flowers75]

He didn't say the kv ratings of the motors. Without that information you can't directly compare the motor systems.

[@DroneDocs]

No the surpass hobby he ran a motor with much higher rpm per voltage (Castle 3800kv up to a 5200kv for Surpass) That's why it is so fast. Not much to do with the esc. The Castle on 4S would make that same motor do like 90mph. Very misleading unfortunately.

[@learningcurve1479]

Love the style. Reminds me of the good old days. No fluff no BS and wow, the Amazon one let my mom down

[@NoFluffRC]

Still very new to this. No fluff no BS is what I was going for. Glad that came through. Thanks for the comment!

[@e_Duardus]

In the case of cheap ESC, i am more concerned about durability than about performance. I mean, how would behave the medium-cheap (Surpass) during a race weekend in summer with temperature above 30ºC? Would it work normally? Would it cut the power for overheating protection during the race? Woul it burn?

[@shortschannel6576]

Im thinking about getting myself a hobby wing... do you think its worth the extra money for the hobby wing, or should I get the surpass for 60$ on bang good? Otherwise, very nice video! Love the comparison! Thank you

[@NoFluffRC]

If you want that instant response on the trigger. Hobywing. If you don't mind the delay, surpass

[@shortschannel6576]

thank you!@@NoFluffRC

[@traviscozza7177]

You should do the copperhead esc with the surpass motors, I love them, especially the rocket versions

[@bismuth7730]

Yeah that surpass motor is really high KV. It would FLY

[@rigosuave18]

I am building a roller and am using a monster mamba x from castle with a surpass hobby can for 4s. So far I love it

[@freemee4327]

What are you using to lock your opinion gears down I have a hard time of either stripping the set screws and can't getting them off

[@VUO4E]

What's the use ? Comparing 3800kv with 5200kv motors ?

[@jimmiewilson626]

Very informative, thank you!

[@Q636-n8z]

Good job buddy I smacked a curb with my nitro 4tec at 68mph so I feel your pain lol it's still not fixed yet parts are hard to find but the Kyosho fazer did 76mph with the body off and a surpass set up on 4s 5900kv stock gearing before the tire blew off keep up the good and bad moment it connects us all lol

[@davidmoroz3756]

Would you say that the 90 dollar Amazon esc and motor is good enough for a cheap 1/10 buggy build

[@NoFluffRC]

Heck Yeah, That combo now lives in my monster bandit and its really freaking fast. Can't go wrong!

[@daveovington5525]

I got mine from Amazon for around 50bucks and I run my associated electronics sc10 with it

[@116thcrazy]

Thank you!! Next time include the carnage from hitting the curb at 50mph+!!

[@andrevokey4132]

I was able to get that cheap esc to work better with a program card. It's worth a try!

[@philthyco1]

Surpass has a 120 amp ESC that will also run 4s but the high kv motor will get hot after a few speed runs and will need to cool off..Try and set the neutral point on with the program card to help with lag

[@NoFluffRC]

I will definitely mess with that. I need a better platform for speed runs though. Maybe a 4tec 3.0 being a little longer would be nice. I'm chilling on everything till the fall. Summer's too busy with beach, fishing, family and work. I'll be back. Thanks for the comment. I really appreciate the feedback!

[@SuperVandemon]

if that serpass is the 150 amp it all so can run 4 s . and 5s all so 6s but not for long .

[@jackmaddox4960]

Surprised by the Surpass, but it seems like I see a lot of ‘surprised by Surpass’ stuff in title bars and comments… ZTW as well. Good upload, I always like a good comparison video!

[@BoondockStryker]

I would like to see that monster bandit and all the upgrades you did to it. What tires did you use for it?

[@NoFluffRC]

I'll try and get that out some time. Thanks

[@BriansRCStuff]

What size motors were these? Were they all the same KV rating? If not, this is a big factor in top speed and the rest isn’t a fair comparison. Can you go back in the video description and lost all of the stats for each motor. You can always put in the subtitles that you were doing this so people know to look for it. Also, were the ESCs all rated the same? 60A? 120A?

[@NoFluffRC]

They were definitely not all the same. It was more comparison of the cheapest one you could find which would be the eBay one, verse a moderate one from Amazon versus the premium product. My next video I want to do all exactly the same KV and motor size running on the Castle creations Copperhead ESC. Still deciding which KV and motor size to use. Any suggestions?

[@BriansRCStuff]

⁠@@NoFluffRC thanks for the information. Again I love what you’re doing here. It’s just that it’s not really a meaningful test unless they are all on an even playing field. You could get a really cheap motor with a much higher KV rating than a expensive motor and it will run faster…. No question at all. Most of these motors come in many different KV ratings so you should be able to get similar speced ones.👍 I have had really good luck with a XTeam motor in my Bandit hitting nearly 100 mph at 3s… but I had to modify the motor with longer wires to make it fit… that could be a good one to add. Surpass, Castle, maybe King Val…. Traxxas Velineon, Spektrum maybe. I appreciate it will not be able to do everything because it will get really expensive really quickly!

[@BriansRCStuff]

@@NoFluffRC I have worked with a XTeam and King Val and they might send you out a motor for testing. I can give you contact info if you want. Can you list all the specs in the video description? Maybe with ones that are sensored you could do one with stock timing and another run with it bumped up… so much you can do with this.

[@NoFluffRC]

@@BriansRCStuff yeah I have been looking over some cheap options and more premium options to match a stock motor for Traxxas or spektrum to see the differences. I figured that may be a nice comparison. Unfortunately work has lit up and I've been really busy. I've basically only had time to make a few shorts here and there. But that's my next plan... Just gotta find some matches for a stock motor i already have and see what happens...

[@NoFluffRC]

@@BriansRCStuff definitely not ready to reach out to suppliers. But I'll get there. I was into this stuff 20 years ago when electric stunk and nitro was the in thing. Just got into electric in December and still learning. Lot of fun.

[@ryanlagoda1352]

Thanks for the vid..I see your in NY. Aprx where? Im in Middleport NY up near lake Ontario

[@pandabeastz]

interesting. I wonder if this will fit in a Traxxas Rustler 4X4 BL-2S

[@chrisbernique8380]

really takin one for the team. Luv it!

[@thecandyman9308]

Good video. Looking to get my hands on a Kyosho Fazer and throw a mid-brushless motor in it along w/ a name-brand ESC (prob). Interesting how the mid-one was a good bit faster on 3s than name-brand. Prob burns out faster too, which is why I plan on getting a good ESC & then have no prob dropping $30-40 occasionally if/when the motor burns out.

[@NoFluffRC]

That little surpass motor has been being tortured in my bandit. I've definitely overheated it and it keeps going. Haven't killed it yet. Ran it on and off-road. I'm pretty sure it's even overturning although I haven't done the math... so far impressed with the surpass motor

[@jordancoleman2402]

I picked a Fazer up this weekend and with the stock 15 turn brushed motor it rips! Take the time to pull it out of the chassis and break it in properly and you can gain 4-5mph

[@stanhowey1991]

Hello, there is a problem with mamba x ESC. I have a cooling problem, that is, if the ESC is hot, the cooler won't start. Can someone please advise me.

[@sirkkzz]

Do you know what adapter I would need to run traxxas batteries with the surpass esc, thanks

[@NoFluffRC]

The Traxxas adapters are definitely available on Amazon

[@ryurc3033]

What kv? Guarantee a 3800 kv castle will be slower than a 7700kv cheapo with the same voltage. Also castle esc is also completely customizable programming wise. The Bluetooth Castle link is decent. Use the castle esc on the surpass motor and you will end up at the same speed as the surpass combo. Kv is super important factor that needs to be known for any of this to make sense.

[@Boogie_the_cat]

Surpass has good motors. Less good experience with the ESC. Bit of lag. Less lag than goolRC though. Never used castle. I stick with Hobbywing when i have the money. But a strong recommendation with Hobbywing: get a larger system than you think you need, because (at least in California weather) Hobbywing run way too hot.

[@j8vi3r]

great video thanks for those comparisons!

[@troywilliams3535]

Hobby wing versus spectrum any two wheel drive platform zoom zoom

[@telescapio]

I wish I would have seen this video a week ago. I just got 40 dollar motor and ESC from ebay. I've been going back and forth with ebay seller. I got cogging and a bad delay. Just trying to make a brushed redcat rc brushless and more fun.

[@NoFluffRC]

Yeah, those cheapos are fine for A young kids car that you just want to make up a little faster. The surpass really wasn't that bad.. hobbywing is probably one of the best for your money...

[@Thunder-xo1cx]

Its a good comparison to find out whuch of the esc whould have the most feel not so much a speedrun, since it seems all 3 motors have different KV ratings which will have influence on the speed. I am sure the copperhead is the best of the 3 esc since it can be tuned pretty good even has the cheat mode which changes the timing. The test would have been a bit better with just different esc and the same motor for the test. However i get the idea of the combo test and it showed that the cheapest one has a lot of delay in response since it probably wont pack a lot of punch. Anyways good overall video and some good basic info for someone who just gets into the hobby

[@NoFluffRC]

Having just got into the electrics in December that's exactly what happened. Learned a lot more since then. @rcexplained is my go to for everything technical. I have more ideas but no time now... 😕

[@Thunder-xo1cx]

@@NoFluffRC I hear you I don't have souch time either for all the fun stuff

[@ZSMracing]

Love the comparisons you should do so more with hobbywing and castle and more cheap stuff🔥

[@NoFluffRC]

It's definitely in the plans. Took july and August off to enjoy summer. Lots of videos coming up!

[@rccarsandmusic2641]

There's a program card for the ebay esc to set the punch. I would not run it on 3s.

[@ubethejudge69]

i bought the kingbox 60 amp - 3900 kv brushlessto replace traxxas xl5 esc brushed. total lag, even worse on nimh - what is super bizarre is even after recalibrating throttle it goes faster at 90% throttle than a 100% throttle, this drives me insane. i've adjusted all the settings and have to turn down full forward throttle to 70 or 80 for it to go away but it literally goes even slower. should of gone w something else

[@shawnstubinsite1]

Like the depiction and the honest production

[@NoFluffRC]

Thank you for the feedback. Not many people bother to leave feedback and I really appreciate it!

[@cruzin1383]

I have a couple of those cheap ebay esc and they do, do 4s lol i had tried it a couple of times just for shits lol but i run 2s mostly and 3s on occasion. They are a clone HW esc and you can tune them with rhe HW program card as well.

[@Murphys_Law9]

Seems like the surpass the best value, matching the 4s speed on 3s

[@NoFluffRC]

It's not a bad deal. Just a little lag

[@scaleworksRC]

Thanks for showing us noobies what's what out there. I like the no BS approach too.

[@c6doki-82]

Nice. 1 little advice, set the punch to HIGH on the Surpass Hobby combo with the program card! 😉

[@NoFluffRC]

Thanks for the tip! I Will mess with that

[@sethvandyke4453]

I have that same cheap esc and it is laggy because of a low punch setting I know because mine cane with a manual and that esc works great for me an long as you are on the throttle just a little bit then punch it, you can trick it.

[@tonetone111222]

Thank you

[@mgg5050]

Would have heard about the power of each esc

[@brembojoe]

So much fun!

[@jordanjensen3875]

Sir, you have spike my interest....thank you kindly!

[@EJ-74]

Love these comparison vids, I subbed keep them coming 👍🏻✌🏻

[@NoFluffRC]

Thanks for the feedback. I'll definitely think up some more

[@skyahna9286]

Kool that the surpass 3s was faster than the castle on 3s with I never new that a 3s speed controller is faster on 3s than a four s esc on 3s

[@AMM0394]

It’s so funny that I could tell where you were from just from the accent. Then I saw your registration and inspection sticker hahaha. Great video

[@NoFluffRC]

NEW YORK BABY! :) Thanks for the comment!

[@josephplatania5593]

I’m cheap and have many cheep esc setups. My buddy spends lots. Does mine cog. Yup. But top end I can run with him no problem. So spend what you like.

[@NoFluffRC]

Absolutely. That's surpass setup now. Lives in my monster bandit. It rips. A tiny bit of lag but I have no complaints for the money...

[@SharedboysEmail]

I love your mind set lol

[@user-rx8qq8sk9ydv1ce5ib]

Another comment for the algorithms 😀, I am now building my 1/7 habao, I was thinking about hobbywing, but interested to know if you have tried any other clones which you find high quality

[@NoFluffRC]

If you speed running castle is the way to go... Haven't tried many other products but that surpass is damn good for the money...

[@wraithmedaberry5795]

Castle has a lower kv so you have to gear up accordingly. That’s why you saw lower top speed on 3s

[@NoFluffRC]

Yeah. I've learned a bit since that video. I haven't made many lately. But I'm thinking about it

[@Murphys_Law9]

I just ordered the 7700kv combo will i get better results?

[@wraithmedaberry5795]

@@Murphys_Law9 should see higher motor rpm with a drop in torque

[@ahmadfaris8044]

Of course... You could buy 5 surpasshobby for 1 castle

[@NoFluffRC]

So true... The surpass is really fine... A tiny bit of lag but a decent little deal...

[@ExtremeRC13]

That was a really good video I enjoyed it I liked that you took the time and put different motors in it you definitely got a subscribe and a like from me. I just started doing RC cars on my channel be sure to check it out and like if you can it helps

[@jimk962]

Liked and subbed good video man thanks lots of help

[@user-rx8qq8sk9ydv1ce5ib]

Cool video. Since you were in nitro, which brand/model you think is making good quality nitro cars 1/8 or 1/10 (not monster truck). And it would be cool to make a video why you are moving from nitro to electric!

[@NoFluffRC]

I've never heard many people that were overwhelmed by any stock nitro.. I've heard the trx 3.3 is pretty good, though I've heard quite the opposite of it as well... If you're really good with tuning I'm sure most engines are pretty decent if you're not (like me) I like OS max. Always had an easy time with them....

[@fatalpushing]

Love the crash disappointment haha

[@NoFluffRC]

That video killed me! 😂 Took too long and too many rebuilds of the 4 tec. Should have chosen a better platform. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@mikehansen9898]

So that silver can surpass motor is an absolute gem! 5900kv, 3s capable. Paired to a Hobbywing sct 10. Runs like a raped ape.

[@NoFluffRC]

Yeah their ESC isn't amazing but the motors seem ok. I actually bought another surpass motor but haven't tried it yet

[@Fats-yg1jd]

Nice running

[@BrendanHughes-d4d]

Top stuff mate

[@GeorgiaKayakAngler]

Don’t be hating on the ziploc bag 😂😂😂😂

[@UncleBobsRC]

Great video man and fellow New Yorker!!!! You got a new sub here too.

[@NoFluffRC]

Howdy Uncle Bob! I'm out on the island. Where you at?

[@UncleBobsRC]

@@NoFluffRC Near Rochester

[@NoFluffRC]

@@UncleBobsRC way up to the north! Closet I've ever been is tug hill. I was up there for snirt this year. Great time!

[@UncleBobsRC]

@@NoFluffRC That's way north east of me...

[@BigAndy80sGen]

Cool video bro.. But you didn't really have much luck with the "PREMIUM" setup.. I've been sticking Hobbywing esc's in all my cars. Nice and cheap off aliexpress and I've always had good results.. I'm fully aware that the castle creations of this world are premium and come with some very nice features, but i don't think I'll ever buy them. I'm more than happy with inexpensive hobbywing.. Your obviously 100% correct with those silly blue esc's, they really are crap. And probably caused more fires than the US military.. And those surpass esc's are RIDICULOUSLY HUUUUGE.!! 🤣🤣 I'll never buy them either... Great video bro.. 👍 Liked and subbed Gonna check out more of your vids 👍

[@LEORedSun]

Imagine this $40 Ebay junk 30 years ago. This would beat almost all the R/C at that time.

[@mamimamiyev9063]

Amazing

[@AbbStar1989]

Nice vid!

[@daviddrew7624]

Not a fair comparison all run on 3s, the surpass was the better motor clearly👍 the castle wasn't even as good on 4s 😂

[@FrankvdBerg]

Yeah so the surpass is the best. Seems you didnt setup the esc's at all but ran it out of the box. Castle is allready programed were surpass is not.

[@NoFluffRC]

True. Out of box for all

[@damiansolowski8628]

nice video

[@ManInblack-z6d]

Nice

[@peetor7]

Love the comparison videos and your straight up no bs approach, so I I’ll be the same way. Get rid of the 4-tec and get something that will go in a straight line. Apparently the Vendetta does, can’t say from personal experience (good deal on them at the moment). Gave you a like and a sub, thanks for the content. 👍

[@NoFluffRC]

And thank you for the comment. I have a custom setup. Arrma limitless. Top speed is currently 140. Just got a 2250 TP motor for it. I hope to be hitting 160 to 170 soon. The four tec is definitely not the greatest car for what I was using it for. But my limitless runs straight and true. I don't actually have any videos on it but I have a KZbin short of it running 140.

[@gilbertcordina]

So basically xheap surpass better than premium.

[@NoFluffRC]

Well the KV was very different. Had I geared it different I probably could have cranked it up. But making that video killed me and I just wanted it finished so I kept it all the same

[@simonshift]

3800kv vs 5200kv lol don't ask why the Castle run slower than Amazon one.

[@ModModRc]

90$ for the surpass combo 😂😂 they didn't just see you coming they heard & invited you😂. Its 23£ for that motor, card & esc. I dont understand most people they say "I'll never buy from China, i use ebay" yeah they pay 20% more & are buying from the same seller thats on ali express. I could name 3 of my top stores that charge 10-20% more on ebay as there official store on ali express. The sellers will even lie to you on ebay, in the advert, they say uk or usa stock, iv scrolled down to seller info & there in hong kong😮 iv questioned them, they even say uk stock but delivery takes 5--9 days when uk is 3 days. They ship from China with fast shipping. Just go direct to there ali express store, it 20% cheaper, & they dont lie

[@NanceLvr]

I would be swearing like a sailor lol

[@JoeOvercoat]

Demonetization for you!

[@sasquatchfoote8235]

I have the cheap eBay unbranded ESC, if you weren't so lazy and bothered to use the program card, the lag is easily removed. I guess this is just another advertisement for overpriced Castle products.🤦🏻‍♂️

[@dylanwhite6539]

Without knowing the KVs and dimensions of the motors the speeds really have no explanation

[@josueortiz6975]

Surrpass

[@stephharney8964]

Algorithm......

[@hedsy]

These tests are flawed.

[@NoFluffRC]

👍🏼 yup!