Training Streamers to Play WoW

[@ikuep]

Cyr's transformation into a classic wow connoisseur is crazy

[@EsfandTV]

He's really loving it, it's great!

[@Glog108]

Hi @@EsfandTV

[@Drewzy413]

Variety god

[@liampitout5483]

​@@EsfandTV❤❤

[@rdot07]

That’s cungus

[@Tmorgan2976]

Will and Cyr are just the song The Boys are Back in Town personified

[@sarab89hj]

This is incredible

[@bigsmokesorder]

you get my upvote Sir. Well played.

[@HamyG]

bbno$ and yung gravy

[@mrcaptaincarlin]

Esfand helping Will was actually pretty wholesome

[@mattabrown2379]

This is freaking Gold. Will trying to intellectualize key bindings is the hardest I've laughed at KZbin in a while.

[@JEM_GG]

I absolutely love seeing new players experience WoW xD

[@kwerby3285]

Esfand sweating bullets thinking about Will healing him in a dungeon 😂

[@Justinius21]

I think Will having a stroke over your keybinds was some of the best classic wow content I've seen in quite some time and it really does show the wow experience, I did a similar thing with a friend 8 months ago and they looked at me like i had two heads.

[@bigshaun808]

Will Neff and CYR are totally gonna be learning at the Esfand Dojo. Paladin Police Squad is gonna be the new hotness

[@weedilike6556]

Showing all perspectives really stood out and made this video better

[@Eaglebrace]

Truly we gloriously witness a Master Paladin teaches his faithful squires to become true Champions of the light! Do Squire Will and Squire Cyr prevail and archive greatness or fall down to a dark path? Time will tell! We may know in the next episode of Crusade Ball Z.

[@Melkor1818]

Everyone laughed at CUNGUS, Everyone had no faith, but now everyone will bow before CUNGUS

[@Cynicv2]

I'd do anything to be able to experience WoW for the first time again. I'm glad a bunch of new people are enjoying classic for the first time.

[@TehMafiaTV]

26:59 will live in my head for years to come, bless you Esfand. Bless you.

[@Metaljacket420]

The thing is if you've played you get the logic for allot of Esfand's keybinds, even if you do it differently. Like ctrl+c is good for summoning mount because you can hit it quickly without much chance of mis clicking or hitting it by accident.

[@justinh1589]

I use shift+space

[@upsetskidmark-8562]

Just use g like me

[@velo1376]

⁠@@justinh1589same here

[@isaacgame7304]

Have that bound to middle mouse button click

[@teddypicker8799]

​@@justinh1589same

[@JulianCedar]

I have zero interest in wow, but this kind of content is always fun. Seasoned vet teaching new players in any game, especially complex ones, scratches my brain in a good way

[@xArt_16]

Got into this rabbit hole from Rav, now this makes me wish I had a computer growing up. So mischievous to learn that it makes it seem even more fun to me, albeit overwhelming

[@MindGoblinGames]

Hey Esfand, I think your takes for Classic WoW have been pretty spot on. I do have a thing, regarding dual specialization though. Why not simply require that you be in a rested area in order to swap specs? That alleviates all of arbitrage that comes along with it while providing the exact same degree of socialization (going to cities, using summons, etc). I think in that case it IS indeed possible to get the best of both worlds.

[@jamesfield1674]

"I just flew from there" ha ha omg the memories God I love WoW so good to see you guys getting back into this good luck in Hardcore!

[@PeanutBrn]

Man i love this content its so god damn good, i started playing wow classic myself for the first time, joined a guild with a bunch of fantastic people and they have been just teaching me stuff about the game its so awesome!

[@__________________________1881]

This trio is an absolute joy to listen to, these keybinds are killing me lmfao

[@ambientdiscord]

I've played WoW on and off since Vanilla and never knew paladins used "seal twisting" and the reason this really caught my attention is that this clearly seems to flow directly in from EverQuest and i wonder how many people who use "seal twisting" even think about why it's called that. In EQ the Bard class had 3 second cast time spells that they called songs but each spell lasted 9 seconds. Basically the tactic was to sing 1 stop sing 2 stop sing 3 repeat, and that was called twisting. You were allowed to have 8 spells on your bar at a time so a bard could create really diverse buff arrangements. The thing Esfand brought up about the 400ms also reminded me of a very similar thing with bards which was that you could actually pump 4 songs at once if you timed it just right. I think that was actually a weird consequence of latency + in game ticks. Basically the game only checked for buffs to wear off at certain intervals so you would see the buff timer hit 0 seconds and blink but the player would retain the buff until the server did a tick and checked for the buffs to wipe off the bar. The funny part is that back then most people heavily complained about twisting because it was "too much button spam" but those were 3 second cast time songs. It's a bit funny to think about now in WoW with a 1.5s GCD and any DPS class is basically expected to be precasting every single GCD on top of slipping in non GCD spells. I was playing a fire mage and you had to be able to pop your crit spell between all your other actions and then if your crits trigger you are changing up your rotation on the fly. Back in EQ days, a wizard was standing there casting 6 second ice comets & Clerics were lining up 10 second heals.

[@DeliciousHunterMD]

I just recently started watching Esfand so I'm not sure what the lore is, but he talks about DAoC so much I have to assume he played it back in the day. Has he ever talked about playing on one of the DAoC community servers? EdenDAoC is incredible, and they have a huge PvP update coming soon that is going to allow RvR in the entire open world. There's new capital city sieges and all kinds of crazy stuff.

[@seraph6758]

@27:00 🤦‍♂️🤣 I had this same conversation learning so long ago...

[@a.o.skurtt]

for me my keybinds have a certain category to it. control e is my pvp trinket. F is for kicks. g and control g are some type of defensive. control c is either blade flurry or some type of instant cast natures swiftness or a damage buff. y is for movement, control y is cheetah form often. r is an easy to hit button, thats a stun, e is an easy to hit button, thats gogue control 1 is stealth

[@the_Acaman]

yeah I do the same thing! Q and E are my main abilities for dps, R is bleed or dot in general, F is stun, T and G are some kind of ranged ability if I have those, C and V are the least used abilities, usually with bigger cds, 1-4 are secondary situational abilities. These change a bit depending on the class tho

[@MATCHLESS789]

Kinda similar. R is kick, modified Rs are stuns, Fs are all oh fuck buttons, Es & Qs are some of the main skills, 1234 are usually other long CDs, F1-F3 are warrior stances or pally auras, z x c v are less often used things.

[@koezy3841]

i want esfand to turn will into an amazing paladin this duo is goated

[@Foederati_JD]

i haev no idea who these guys are, but im pressed at how quickly he identified a solid keybind setup after seeing how esfand does his. What a gamer. Also Im so glad esfand believes in keeping all 6 default movement keys. people have been calling me bad at wow for years and years because I always kept them.

[@Southernhosp]

I do press up to 5 but you need to keep 1-4 and shift 1-4 As the skills you use most often with lowest cooldown so you dont hurt your hands as much. E being a very easy to hit button

[@Hoodfury]

F, G, R and ~ some of my favorite keybinds, u also modify these to shift-F, shift-G, ect. to get really comfortable hitting those keys specifically and only modifying the same keybind over and over rather than trying to remember 20 brand new binds; you can essentially dumb them down to 10 or less if you use shift/ctrl modifyers. hope this helps good vid👌🏼

[@aska221]

when he did 150dps on his thunderfury I lost it. That was some crazy dam right there

[@Taurus4926]

"I don't even use my mouse when I'm fighting" left me dead

[@kylelyons5878]

Esfand is like the Neil deGrasse Tyson of classic pally.

[@neozakk_]

When I learned that using anything past like 5-6 on my keyboard for binds was useless and started using my mouse and shift/control binds, WoW opened up in an entirely new way for me. Definitely one of the most important early things to learn to master this game. Will is about to achieve his ultimate form. Good job with the rookies, Esfand!

[@launchfiend]

This is the same with any FPS type game too for weapon switching and stuff.. QERFC are just so good for various combo binds

[@KekDubyew]

when it comes to gaming people don't understand that it's all in the micro. i am an fps player orginally but the reason i got good was because i spent time configuring my keybindings finding a good keyboard and mouse that i felt comfortable with, down to measuring your desk and chair so your arms rest naturally and don't put strain on your shoulders/neck. in a game like wow keybinds are very important but it's not cookie cutter, you have to put time into theorizing what feels good for you for what cooldowns. if you simply do this you enter a higher tier of gamers.

[@oddursigurdsson9637]

my favorite keybind is ctrl+scroll up/down. Had major healing pot on scroll up and superior healing pot on down for pvp. Saved me many times

[@richardtorres312]

Lmaoooo I love how you’re quiet freak out but tryna be as friendly as possible to just completely change loll

[@snkkouri1261]

you can turn with your mouse if you click RMB and LMB at the same time

[@cadneemountai2791]

This takes me back to highschool I'm so happy this content is in

[@gersonmoreno9978]

it's true that bar configuration it's personal, usually you start adding the skills as you learn them and how you use them. at some point you see how more advance people use theirs and you can addapt or copy but doing that from the scratch is confusing xD

[@kambamrocks]

this is the content we needed

[@zeekawesomecus917]

Yaaaaaaa, I only use 1-6 and the rest I use like c, f, r, t, g, v, x, z, tilde, and then shift and alt versions of all of those. Also I use tab to jump and I use space bar for an ability.

[@hurtigheinz3790]

I'm surprised you use Q and E for strafe AND use A and D plus right mouse button for strafing. I think Q and E are the most comfortable and therefore valuable keybinds and you don't really need them when turning with mouse click. I have cons on Q and judgement on E.

[@Sulfur211]

Exactly! My left hand without stretching hits everything around WASD plus modifiers. Easy, I'm surprised by how many players just use numbers and few letters.

[@hurtigheinz3790]

@@Sulfur211 I'm a tall guy with big hands. I use numbers from 1 to 6 with my left hand but I don't use shift+xyz or ctrl+xyz at all.

[@flamerollerx01]

I don't use any special mice, bind anything to control or shift and I click, but I still kick mad ass. You just gotta get really good at clicking and the function keys (F1-F4 for your party members). It works, believe me. Is it as efficient? No, but it's what I learned to do over decades, so it's hard coded into my brain. Changing now would not improve anything.

[@momqabt]

Keybinds are personal...I know....I use esdf for movement, qaw first skills, rgt second set, 234 third set, 0 is panic (it's the first button on the hungarian keyboard🤷‍♂️)16 is empty, 789 are buffs zxc and ö are again a different set🤣

[@OofieTV]

I just started playing HC classic for the first time (ret pally lvl 18) and I started to watch this for entertainment but I stayed for the coaching 🫡 I actually learned

[@Litany_of_Fury]

This season of wow is pretty good. Really refreshing.

[@potatoclips5444]

I remember back in the day with I first started playing. My family had just got a computer and internet for the first time ever and WoW became the first game on PC i had ever played. I was such a noob that I used the actual arrow keys on the keyboard to move, no use of mouse what so ever lmao.

[@Nobert6969]

Did somebody say [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]?

[@1982MaxPower]

as a left handed player without a gaming mouse, i'm always jealous of the normal people keybinds. I have to do hardcore keyboard gymnastics to play the game properly on a good level 😅

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

I used to jerk off with my right hand and then I told myself that's stupid I should use my left hand so I did. It felt awkward for a while like I had extra fingers but it was possible and now it's completely natural to me. I jerk off all the time and no one knows.

[@kipz]

i'm a lefty and play normally. have you even tried?

[@KillerBee300]

You should get a left-handed gaming mouse razer has them

[@MGC-XIII]

1-5(shift and ctrl versions as well), QE,R,F(with shift versions as well), shift-spacebar, ctrl-spacebar, num1-7 yeah a bar setup is very personal xD

[@_Travey]

Wow it all makes sense now. Keyboard turner and classic ret paladin. Goes hand in hand 😂

[@captainroyy21]

The editing makes it so good

[@launchfiend]

Played a lot of WoW up through AQ40 in vanilla but haven't played since.. just got into HC wow and it's honestly the most fun i've had playing an MMO since probably EQ, FFXI, and WoW came out. It's so refreshing, hard, unforgiving and I LOVE IT. Playing a Druid and just really enjoying myself.. Died first try at Lv10. Lets make it this time.

[@tiorontoron7531]

please do like drills or something, make them duel each other for fun and give a prize, do something fun while leveling to force them to learn the game

[@SlugmaChops]

Watching this made me think how cool itd be to have a classic pvp tournament where you have complete classic/pvp noobs get a gladiator coach and set them up for a tournament. I think that would be a lot of fun. Kinda like pogchamps but for wow classic pvp

[@changes11111]

sucks that i miss that stream live the 40mins was amazing .

[@Bound4Earth]

Esfand lying to him about feeling like a badass dpsing as Ret.

[@Metaljacket420]

I swap AD with QE so strafe is always AD but you can still QE to keyboard turn, waaay better surprised Esfand doesn't

[@audioostrich]

Why do you ever need to keyboard turn? Genuine question. I just unbound turn and use AD strafe and QE are spell keybinds. Have been playing this way for a over a decade. You can still move one handed, just turn on auto run

[@Ewokid87]

"No no Esfand I can't do that, that's insane. I simply can't do that" Lmfao 💀

[@hazardpay8560]

Ok anyone here able to answer WHAT WEAPON SWING TIMER actually works with wow classic hardcore? cant get it to work

[@jeremyl8637]

what addon shows the tics for casting

[@Andrew-qu7lq]

I never really used a lot of custom key binds other than a couple mouse click buttons. Only one i thought was handy for raising was binding the raid targets to the num key pad 1-9, made for quick and easy assigning and easy to switch the skull.

[@MrHvleeuwen]

It's just that youre not missing the things you don't know about. There's a bunch of stuff for niche situations too where you wanna have it bound regardless because of reaction speed. Actually it usually progresses so far as to where players don't even show their actionbars because every single action is keybound. Numpad keys are prime keybinds tho that a lot of people dont know about, especially for like auxillary stuff as you said.

[@Andrew-qu7lq]

@@MrHvleeuwen Yeah, I was similar to Esfand that I played vanilla, ended up quitting around Wrath. I was by no means some kind of top tier gamer. I played around with moving things, but I'd just gotten so used to using regular old 1-7 for all my main stuff and maybe shift or ctrl for things, but never really could find a good optimizing where I would actually remember whatever key bind system I would attempt, just always went back to standard.

[@MrHvleeuwen]

@@Andrew-qu7lq You just start with the most basic things, maybe even 2. The 'trick' is realising it's like basically two things: Muscle memory and what actions you associate with what keybind. Associating a keybind with an action is actually kinda hard to do if you have no mental system and try to do it all at once. The muscle memory of pressing the bind takes longer to get used to but basically transfers across whatever you do on a keyboard. So you actually already know quite a lot of keybinds. That's why most people recommend using strafe for A and D and then using Q and E. People also get used to pressing R to reply so R is another prime first keybind. C is another great one because youre already used to pressing C for character panel. A concrete recomendation would be this: Bind something you use a lot but don't spam to Q and E, doesn't really matter what just pick a nice spell. Use F for a short CD or a CC or whatever. Then finally use R for a long CD but something that you have to press quick on reaction. It really doesn't matter what spells you use if you do this for maybe 3 days it opens up those binds for whatever you want and thats just the beginning :D Sorry for typing a 200 word essay lmao holy shit.

[@thedapperfoxtrot]

25:20 First time ever hearing Esfand call people p***ies. Ret pally chalk talk brings it out? 😂

[@Mitsumenaide28]

ngl i did feel like a hackerman when I 1st changed keybindings for games

[@Jahoo89]

what in the non efficient keybinds is this?

[@Alexandros.Mograine]

He has naga (or something akin to that) why would you tell him to unbind everything above 6? D:

[@roswell3974]

cyr sounds like a gnoll at 18:32

[@luminoussun]

Cyr knows that keybinding is not good content. Will gives zero fks. He is like a dry sprong thirsting for wow knowlege. But the truth is there are experienced players out there. Who are clicking. Because they did not have a Guru God like Esfand to show them the way,back when they was learning the game. I played all the way from Vanilla until WoD before my cousin heard me clicking and shamed me into learning keybinding. Once he taught me. My whole world changed. I no longer stood in crap. I could avoid it. Because i could look at the screen instead of looking at my bar. If i could give 1 piece of advice to any new player. It would be learn keybinding from the start

[@TKnzSteele]

Iv been wanting to learn these controls but i wud always missclick, this is a great traning method that ill have to try

[@Metaljacket420]

Esfand and I are on same page, as Paladin my holy light was always G and flash of light F, and shift+G etc for down ranked

[@heavydutykingz7598]

its so interesting seeing other peoples keybindings (personlly id say will shouldve just made his own keybindings bc esfands are kinda different). i use 1-9 q,e,r,f,v and shitf/ctrl/alt modifed version of those.

[@GoodByeHorsies]

Just picked up playing classic and wanted to follow in the footsteps of our lord and savior Esfandiar so I rolled Ret Paladin. This video is exactly what I needed/wanted from him. Thank you sir!

[@mattwilliams7513]

I sympathize with Will. I too am a next next next guy

[@isaackmaniac2352]

my friend thaught me his keybind and over time i modified it to my own

[@bakabaka73]

Just use a naga then you can use 1-12, shift 1-12, alt 1-12, F, T, Y, C ,Scroll up, Scroll down, and mouse wheel click. That’s 43 keybinds mainly just with your thumb, and if you use a Logitech g600 you can bind shift to the 3rd click. And I just keep wasd+qe the same and I have plenty of keybinds even with retails bloat.

[@bakabaka73]

Oh and I forgot R and shift/alt modifiers on R, F, T, Y, C that adds 10 more keybind slots.

[@öeshçs]

If you play other genres it does not work. For instance, my main games are valorant and WoW so I do have 65% keyboard and logitech superlight X. Still I can manage all my keybinds it is actually easy once you figure out. No need for specific equipments

[@enviping]

people don't tend to use their main rotation on their mouse. It's brutal.

[@EminemLovesGrapes]

I'm a lefty and I do miss my Naga Left handed edition. Sucks they don't make a left handed wireless version like the Pro. I tend to default to shift/alt combos as well.

[@Takashishane]

never heard of tilday i always called it grove

[@adamerebus9968]

I use mouse button side 1 and 2, as so called shift 1 2 3 4 it makes it sooo much easier 😁

[@InsertYourself1]

Why does Esfand auto attack with "1"? You just right click 😂

[@jasonstanley7326]

Easier and quicker to swap target and press 1. Right clicking takes longer and is possible to miss even

[@SpencerJ289]

Good stuff here I love seeing new players. I have a friend who’s gonna okay SoD with me he’s only ever played dragonflight.

[@lawlkat5397]

I watched this live and it was just genius content.

[@udalix]

I think that seal twisting was over explained cause I didn't understand shit.

[@BraxtonSato]

Will’s Sensei arc

[@jinchurikis]

Getting people hooked on a almost 20 year old game thats like the drug cocaine 😂😂😂

[@friday_xo]

I think I am the only one who uses SZXC to controll my character, so I can use from A-G, Q-T, 1-6 + all of them with shift, alt, ctrl for binds XD

[@PoppaSky]

The title says it all lol

[@KillerBee300]

I still don't understand how people use Ctrl keybinds it just feels so uncomfortable.

[@skubasteve9232]

A and D should be strafe

[@harald2101]

this is absolutely interesting. whoever told will to do it off stream is wrong.

[@oniidante]

he shouldve just let him use Q E R T F G V and use shift with them for the 2nd action bar

[@sethsends]

I really enjoy this content

[@MutedR]

i have a 3.5 still to fast

[@doomsday_72]

Wait will was pressing all the way to 9 that’s ridiculous I also don’t press past 5 it’s uncomfortable

[@DustinKeiser]

I do same, once I get to 6 I change it to R and 7 to F. Who wants to reach all the way to 6-9 with left hand

[@xXSinForLifeXx]

Yeah I do E R Q F X C etc.

[@DustinKeiser]

@@xXSinForLifeXx yep, most people don’t even bind ‘~ key too

[@gustavomeireles9758]

Esfand couldnt take it being a Will Druid. Sadge

[@Myndi78]

Using other peoples keybinds is how clickers are born 😲☝️

[@fidelcatto8453]

i played wow for 12years and i never used CTRL + anything as a keybind, just let him play how he likes

[@Krelian89]

Ctr + something is pretty hard to use in pvp or something that u have to react fast, i use ctrl+1 2 3 etc, to mount or eat

[@chc2650]

I played pally all the way to 60, 70 and didnt do any of this twisting. Its cool though.

[@TNTspaz]

It's fucking nuts how much WoW has blown up again. I follow a fairly wide range of people on twitch and nearly the entire side panel is all WoW now lol

[@AGAZILLION]

i didnt know i liked cyr this much

[@AntManD15]

Chat is this real

[@Vyngraven]

It is real.

[@jette24]

can you imagine playing wow for the first time and trying to hit ctrl + C for something important lol

[@kellanjones5588]

I know keybinds are personal and all but esfand's make my brain hurt. And I play a druid in retail so I have a million keybinds.

[@077Wilko]

anyone using CTRL binds are in deep deep trouble haha