ESO's Biggest Tech Holdup - MEMORY

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[@TimboSlice083]

We all know consoles are the thing holding ESO back. Let's be real.

[@Cooperharley0204]

Last-gen yea most likely

[@jdm8702]

The series x and ps5 are able to handle a decent upgrade to things. Last gen has been struggling since before the new consoles dropped.

[@glenndhorallmyxlvntx9294]

I do agree BUT also I think some spaghetti code and OLD database technology is being used. So while yes consoles are a hold back… there are other issues

[@Top-Lip]

The two main ways to improve ESO in the future would be to phase out support for Xbox One and PS4 (including their variants), and update the minimum requirements so PC players must at least have hardware comparable to the PS5 and Series X, also an SSD requirement would be great as the old HDD optimizations are a massive and completely unnecessary memory hog. Nobody should be playing ESO on a HDD in 2024 and the new consoles should be the lowest common denominator.

[@glenndhorallmyxlvntx9294]

Database is the issue. Related to memory. Multiple toons, so many instances, multiple homes and furnishings, it all adds up. What is put on client and what is put on server? That becomes the tradeoff. Never mind keyboards and mouse handlers… or controller buttons handlers…

[@anders0815]

Recipes, Motifs, Riding skill and Skyshards Account wide. That would be a dream and free up a lot.

[@blktauna]

wont happen. theyd lose crown store sales.

[@kiwitea2451]

Master Writs drop from daily writs more often on toons that know more full purple motifs, so really hardcore crafters try to have lots of full motifs on their other toons also for the increased drop rate. There's a similar effect on alchemy and enchanting Master Writ drop rates where they drop more from toons that have all the rune/ingredient achievements unlocked, which is why none of those are account-wide achievements.

[@101CBR600RR]

Zo$ happy to make changes to promote more players logging in - reducing mail/guild timers mean more log ons which increases play time which increases higher chance of players spending money. Zo$ happy to help memory issues when it doesn’t impact crown sales - they won’t make sky shards, horse training, etc account wide because then they would have to remove sales options on crown store. Zo$ is up there on the list of companies that have greedy/predatory behaviour.

[@markus.schiefer]

Sure, memory is always an issue for any game that's being expanded over the course of many years, but some things are simply not memory related or at least not to the degree that people think. Though, you need to differentiate between memory savings on server and client side. For example, the changes to achievements and mails are almost exclusively to save server side resources and have nothing to do with limitations by older hardware. Graphics, especially the size of textures, are obviously client side concerns, however different clients / platforms could easily come with different texture qualities, so that older generations are no excuse for the dated texture in older zones, especially cities like Wayrest. Regarding scribing and the armory system: You made it sound like the thousands of combinations are the reason why this is not part right now. Maybe you didn't mean it this way, but I would have to disagree: It takes only a bytes, especially if they wanted to conserve space and used their own bit-encoding, and that is nothing compared to the many kilobytes that they saved with making most achievements account-wide on the server-side, and to think that they couldn't afford a few bytes on the client would be ridiculous. Adding whole new features, well, that's a whole other dimension, and I don't see how they will be able to do this in the long run without dropping support for old hardware or moving older hardware to their own servers or at least split the instances. For guilds and communities this would be an issue, but realistically this is an issue that is inevitable in one way or another. -- And it wouldn't even be that big of a deal technically, since most backend resources like db etc. could still be shared if they are willing to do it that way, though that would bind their hands somewhat for the future.

[@Cooperharley0204]

Yea as I said I’m not in technology, software development, game development etc etc so if I get the terminology wrong, that’s on me because of that. Also as stated in the video, I agree, dropping support for older consoles will be the move forward - just a matter of when and we don’t have that information (seeing how many players are still on last gen consoles)

[@BBRocker75]

Tx u so much some techie is posting REAL FACTS here. The difference between tech knowledge and opinionology. I hate the last one.

[@juliebeans7323]

Idk about lightening the load on the servers.....but i wish they'd do something about their player's connection to the servers. I've invested heavily into PC-EU because that's where my friends were when i started....but i now have a dusgusting time playing. I don't see skills fire, Like at all, not just a missing visual. Stupid thing it my connection to West coast US for New World is worse, yet the play experience is better. (location is a consious decision with friends who are all over the place - we picked one where we'd all have about the same connection) That said, i'm sure that there must be something in the way accounts/toons are connected to the servers which affects player experience *and* latency (and therefore also server performance)....mine's been getting worse even after the 'hardware update' .

[@pay2playwin4free27]

Do traceroutes to the megaserver and all that. Test your game performance on different networks (mobile hotspot, different home networks). Personally (xbox player) I've tried about every test and potential fix, and replacing the modem instantly fixed 80% of the issues. If your game performance is below that of other players, there is likely something you or your isp can do

[@jojothermidor]

Realistically what I see happening is that if they choose to stop support for last gen, they'll offer free transfers to current gen or pc. They are capable of it, it's just never something they could do on a large scale.

[@cassiaphire3645]

The servers can only handle so much memory and so many calculations and functions at one time. Adding new content on top of existing content taxes the game engine etc. to keep the game running on a megaserver in real time. There is only so much capacity until the 10 yr old engine is at its limit. As far as consoles limiting a game...that all started with only having 5 hotkeys so control can function on a controller vs the versatility of a keyboard - it goes downhill from there.

[@BenvolioCapulet9]

Since it isn’t cross-platform why don’t they have a memory-rich PC version and a console version? Edit: I’m one of the handful that completes every motif on every character 😂 yes it makes no sense but as a self professed completionist it’s in my DNA… yes I agree it’s stupid as well But we know this is a database issue. They’re at 2 million lines of code…

[@Cooperharley0204]

Not stupid at all! I’ll a filthy completionist as well! If it’s what you enjoy, all the power to you!

[@siniister710]

Facts. People still calling a ps5 and series x or whatever a next gen console. They’ve been out like years now, time to move into the new world

[@siniister710]

And to be clear I know not everyone can get one still, however, there are some games that old consoles and low tier PCs just can’t run or run well. That shouldn’t be the reason zos drags its feet updating the game. It’s been out a decade and if it wants to continue another one they’ll need to make these changes eventually.

[@Rocky-jl7vf]

You should also add riding sht

[@Eso_lags]

This is what you get when the dev team refuses to invest the resources they need to, to improve performance. Whether that is because of greed or old gen consoles idk. But they have been grasping at straws with performance for years. And its just negligence at this point.

[@Duendito]

World bosses used to be character-based achievements but ZOS made them AWAs.

[@acflory.writer]

I loathe Win10 and 11, but recently I had to upgrade to Win10 -growls- and give up my beloved 7. Why? Because zos is not going to support 7 any more. Will this free up more 'memory'. Memory where exactly?

[@acflory.writer]

p.s. I know a lot of people use Guild Trading as endgame, but the amount of resources all that duplication takes up must be mind boggling. I know it'll never happen, but I'd love to have an single, consolidated auction house.

[@Duendito]

ZOS won’t be able to support Win7 because Microsoft isn’t.

[@BenvolioCapulet9]

Good lord windows 7 is like crossing one of those wood plank bridges held together by rope over a lava pool

[@acflory.writer]

@@Duendito Microsoft hasn't supported 7 for years already. In fact, in a couple of years it will stop supporting 10 as well. That's not the reason.

[@acflory.writer]

@@BenvolioCapulet9 lmao - but it was a bridge that was reliable, didn't hog all the resources, and didn't sell my information to the highest bidder. I'd have it back any day if I could.

[@TylerCrase-en3ih]

Do u have a orc healer doesnt have to arcanist

[@Cooperharley0204]

I do not have an orc healer currently

[@TylerCrase-en3ih]

@Cooperharley0204 if u was one what class would it be

[@Cooperharley0204]

@@TylerCrase-en3ih I’m a Templar main and always will be (no matter how annoying lack of balance changes may be 🤣). Warden healers are also incredible as are arcanists. Play what you love! You can heal content on all classes (except maybe DK - they just don’t have much in their toolkit for healing RELATIVE to other classes)

[@TylerCrase-en3ih]

@@Cooperharley0204 kk are they a written guide tht u recommend like skinny cheeks is dps tanking is hyperioxes what would a healer be under what build creater

[@Cooperharley0204]

@@TylerCrase-en3ih look up the healer’s haven discord. Not really a skinnycheeks-esque creator for healing that I personally know of. That discord though is incredible and has everything you could possibly be curious about