Estate Agents On the phone!, EICR, Testing, Exotic life of an Electrician

Adam and i are doing loads of eicr's recently and keeping us busy busy, bit of testing for adam and a few different coding found, let us know down below if we missed any
I did the pfc again with the 3 lead test with earth reconnected, it wasn’t show on the video 👍
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[@ashmanelectricalservices4318]

You can't code the use of battery powered smoke alarms on an EICR, remeber it's a report on the condition of the electrical installation, nothing else. You can recommend that mains powered smoke alarms be installed but that should be done on a separate document.

[@garethbott2624]

Great video and some good information to. Great to see Adam moving at the pace he is. And love the banter 👍

[@timprice5]

Cracking work guys. Adam is so sweet and really coming on now - i like that hes not afraid to get stuck in and allowed to think a little on his own. Good work Nick, you've got some mentor skills there 👏

[@sparky9282]

Great set up with the test bags, both of them!

[@anthonyridgley1819]

Great video ADAM n NICK 😂 love watching the banter between you both also think it was Jordans video on fire alarms he did one recently.

[@andrewhannan]

“Gri, I mean Tinder”. Love it!!

[@Tomoose1985]

Just get Adam a van key at this point! Great video, love your attitude and your approach. Such a great example for other electricians and apprentices. 👍

[@NBundyElectrical]

Thanks dude

[@wheresjames2842]

Good lil discussion about the fire alarms. I personally would say that wired would be more reassuring (re: Tennant's talking batteries out). But these days you can pick up the 10 Year sealed battery Smoke and Heat Alarms from Fire Angel for £15 on Amazon so I'd just suggest using those to save ££ if the client already doesn't have wired. Loving your videos guys!

[@artisanelectrics]

Great vid chaps! Very informative 👍

[@alexg113]

I think all switch wires should be left unidentified, after that, it’s down to natural selection.

[@AGRElectrics]

😂😂😂

[@stephencoulthard1718]

You mean "neutral" selection ;)

[@matthewbeddow3278]

Adam at this point is learning proper real-life testing and not just college none real world. I am not saying that college is a waste of time he obviously needs, in this world, certificates but training in the real world on the job will give him a massive advantage going forward. I think it's wonderful how you coach him letting him make the mistakes and learn from them without being criticised. Thank you for the video.

[@johnibbertson2960]

very good nick and adam new electric swoke alarms new outside waterproof cover didnt see you find cooker hood socket or spur, but you must have, great to work in though ,you dont find many as simple with no beds furniture etc in the way.

[@farmersteve129]

Good lad Adam - re-nulling is a good habit regardless of the boss saying "already nulled"

[@DanielPinel]

Never trust anyone, esp. with tools that can cause trouble down the line. That's how i would do things.

[@steve11211]

PFC should be done with all bonding connected as the lower resistance would increase the fault current. R1+R2 for ring final circuits should be checked at every socket and the highest result written down, also if you are going to do it "properly" then you should also do R1+Rn, making sure to flick the switch at each socket which will check your polarity. Guidance note 3 states that dismantling should be kept to a minimum, I mean it does then contradict itself by saying inspection should be ideally 100% however I don't think you can slate anyone for not testing 100%, there is a risk that by taking something apart and refitting you can introduce a fault. My interpretation is you should use your judgement and experience to decide an initial sample rate, if you find issues then the sample rate should be increased. I'm not trying to have a go and I totally agree with you that £100 to test a property is just not enough, however we all know the letting agent rates are lower than we would like and it would be lovely to say "Nah im not going to go that low" but you would also not get any of the work so there needs to be a balance. My point is slagging others off and saying you do it properly but then not doing the testing properly is a bit hypocritical I think you can charge what you like, a £60 EICR is fine as long as all the extent and limitations are listed, if a customer only wants to pay £60 and just have Ze and Zs tests done that's fine as long as its stated in the extent and limitations, where I have an issue is when either tests are not done but it has no exceptions or someone is making up the results. There is also the other Elephant in the room, if you C2 no RCD's as per napit codebreakers no estate agent will give you work, so you C3 them as per electrical safety first. Estate agents and landlords just want passes which opens it up for muppets that pass pretty much everything getting a shed ton of work cause all they want is a satisfactory rather than an honest view of the electrical installation. I think most estate agents are thankfully not going down the £60 EICR route but they are driving down the prices which means shortcuts that arguably should not be being made are being made, the government report suggested a cost of on average £250, we all know for letting agents there is no way you could pitch your price that high.

[@bobbyzilla]

I hate the fact that prices are being driven down due to cowboys. Nobody should be charging £60 for an EICR, even £100 is rediculous. I always thought that £250 was the going rate (depending on how many circuits).

[@carletonmould2001]

Prices only get driven down through lack of understanding. I'm sure if the person responsible for the property knew that regardless of what the codes on an EICR were and would want 100% (where practicable) of the installation tested. If something was to happen after a SATISFACTORY report with a bunch of C3 items saying that IMPROVEMENT RECOMMENDED which would improve the SAFETY of the electrical installation and it went to court..., they (person responsible for the installation) would still be held accountable. The electrician will never hold the responsibility of the installation and the only time I could see an electrician being held accountable is if something was missed but with N/V and LIM being on every report and the people receiving the report not looking a single word past the OVERALL CONDITION section.., I can't see that being possible. Just to be clear I'm only referring to any engineers carrying out the report and not the engineers that are installing.

[@effervescence5664]

Sadly because it states a minimum required of 10% of the installation many companies will do the bare minimum, one socket, one light fitting etc. Most of us will happily go beyond that for our own piece of mind as you don't want to take on responsibility for the continued operation of an installation only having tested 10% for £60. Typically my normal charge lands somewhere around £200 depending on the installation for the area in which I work, but I work directly for landlords. If you go through Agents they'll often upcharge to around £200 anywhere here so many landlords just get their own guys in. Did one the other day, the Agent had offered their own sparks at £140 + costs for any remedial taken above and beyond the basic testing (which is fair) and the Agent basically guaranteed a pass. Suffice to say it didn't pass, Wiring hanging out the cooker isolator as it was too short, broken rings, missing cpc's original rewireable Wylex board (the wood one) 4 floors up in the sole escape route from the flat. The old storage heaters were taken off their own e7 meter and tried into the main ring final circuits but back feeding their original board. To top it off the external fire escape had rotted to the point if anyone ever did need to use it they'd fall through it. Later got a call saying they thought it would pass if the consumer unit was brought up to current standard (the advice from the Agent) and it was being let in 4 days couldn't anything be done about it.

[@bobbyzilla]

@@effervescence5664 you need to point out to your client that it says ideally 100% should be tested. If you price to test 10 or 20% and get poor readings then 100% needs to be tested anyway. I'm thinking about starting up and getting back into the testing have but if I have to undercut cowboys and dodgy landlords then forget it.

[@carletonmould2001]

@@effervescence5664 @Mark Langley I always laugh find I come across a installation with open ring final circuits but has had a replacement consumer unit. I would disagree with your on the point ypu raised about responsibility though, when were signing the report all were saying is that we believe the report we have produced following inspection and testing has been completed as accurately as possible, no where on the report does it say we now take responsibility for this installation. At the end of the day, its a report. When I drop the keys back, agents always look confused when they ask for the certificate, ASAP because they got people moving in tomorrow, and I say no but I'll send the report over as soon as I can... And this is what I mean when I say lack of understanding, I don't believe they(Agents, landlords, etc) fully understand their responsibilities. Within reason, by not addressing C3 items all they are saying is "I'm gonna do the minimum and take a chance in the rest". End of the day BS7671 definition of C3 is IMPROVEMENT RECOMMENDED and if an incident was to go to court i believe thats how a judge would see it.

[@stuartbrown2567]

Hi quite a few good coments down below. I would of liked to have seen a bit more of the testing and the results from you both but then again thats just me. I do have a few coments when you did the end to end then crossed connected I always go round the sockets then record the highest reading, as for the down lights I have been lead to understand that if something was installed before it was put in or updated in the reg. it was a C3. Was sure surprised that you did not code the CU as not being up to current standards. But over all I think all of you who post videos of what you are doing have got guts and for that you have my respect, keep up the good work.

[@jemseed]

to see if a metal fitting is earthed , continuity test between the fittings metal surface or nut to a nearby socket screw or light screw if it bells out its earth 95% of the time it will work unless light switch earth is not connected.

[@Cardetailingburnley]

Can I suggest that you use tar and glue remover on the old labels and it comes off a treat

[@09weenic]

That’s a bit of a pain in the arse with that consumer unit located outside Good video once again chaps 👍

[@Camberwell86]

If my neighbour was an arse I would just turn up with a meter box key and keep turning his leccy off during Coronation Street every night 😅 or do it when he goes to bed at 11pm so when he wakes up the fridge freezer has melted everywhere 😅

[@samstretton3890]

aico smokes are good connections are abit fiddly but they have built in battery and can easily have radio link put in on existing propertys and just put a feed to it save wired link

[@jeffbaldwin4238]

I’d possibly question that skirting socket but only with regards to the damage to the appliance lead when something is plugged in there, i’m sure if it’s too low to a surface it’s a code 2 possibly can’t remember , easiest fix is just turning the socket upside tho. Haha.

[@steveb1856]

Board in external meter cupboard must be a thing in the area. We are in nearby village, 1970 build 3bed detached. When we moved there in early 80s old Wilex rewirable, TT, 1 ring for entire house including attached garage and boiler house with immersion on a 13A FCU, 2 lighting up &down and 6mm cooker. Just the 4ways! Meter is still in the external cupboard but was updated to 17th Ed.

[@Subzero2151]

4:01m nice shimmy there Adam, 2 metres please :) quality vid Lads !!!

[@NBundyElectrical]

Thanks bud

[@rowles13]

Great video man.👌👍

[@fst1775]

Nice! Great video I find these videos entertaining

[@stevecraft00]

You can buy metal doors to mount over the broken plastic meter cabinets.

[@shifty277]

The gimbal has made the content so much more palatable since getting it. Not that the content isn't good, it is, but there's a real difference between holding the go pro/phone yourself and walking around filming than with a motorised stabilizer doing the job. handheld Thumbs up.

[@barnabybot]

My number rules with estate agents, 1. do not do the work unless you have clear written confirmation they've asked you to do it. 2. If new work appears on site, confirm in writing that they understand this is extra work and will be charged additional costs. Estate agents/property management companies are generally duplicitous and are not your friends.

[@michaeldunham3385]

The socket on the skirting should have been pulled, the regs specifically say that sockets should be at such height to avoid damage (getting whack by a hoover) and that no stress is put on the flex when a plug is inserted or removed

[@jeffmoye]

‘Me and Adam’, or ‘Adam and I’? The way to tell what’s right is to drop the third person and see whether the sentence makes sense with ‘I’ or ‘me’. Adam and I like doing a proper job. ✅ The more Copex we use, the happier it makes me and Adam. ✅

[@markpunt9638]

... Adam and me! Or just, us!

[@johnbrewer9833]

@@markpunt9638 and the ,

[@johnbrewer9833]

@@markpunt9638 and the 'p' is silent as in 'bath'.....

[@joehomanick]

The fuse board looked ok however I didn’t see any rear entry 😂😅🤣

[@richardcawrey]

Good vid don’t know if you know the old nsb mcb,s some 6 amp and 16 amp are on a recall list

[@alexwalker1477]

Love content keep it coming

[@NBundyElectrical]

Cheers dude

[@cumberland1234]

I remember reading some of the codes in NAPIT are a bit dubious, personally I think an undersized MPB on a TN-CS ought to be be C2 as in an open CNE it may carry a lot of current, especially where the service pipe mains are metal. I think it says C2 for TN-S which IMO isn’t as bad, though there’s the argument of wether or not you can get true TN-S on a public supply nowadays.

[@carletonmould2001]

They are also saying you should look to treat what appears to be TNS as TNCS.., does that mean all bonding regardless of the earthing arrangement needs to be 10mm..

[@pauledwards9493]

Davo Savo and now the Bundy, what a night.

[@NBundyElectrical]

Then cjr as well 🙌

[@Cjrelectrical]

N Bundy Electrical cheers Nick

[@pauledwards9493]

@@Cjrelectrical Just watched, all the best to you both!

[@zjzozn]

3 some? 😂

[@0liver0verson9]

Bundy..... CJR..... Savery...... one after another. I don't mind admitting I had a few drinks to savour the evening fully lol

[@9plusinstalaciones]

It's F'in red hot here, I've got heat stroke.

[@chrisellison3914]

Hi Nick, great video and very informative. How can you guarantee the main fuse is 60 amp though. We always limit the supply protective device as it’s sealed and we can’t know for certain what’s inside it. For all you know it could be a wooden block wrapped in tin foil.

[@NBundyElectrical]

No guarantee unfortunately without pulling the fuses, I don’t normally pull them unless the seals are cut otherwise lim it 👍

[@r32pandem]

Smoke alarm in a rented property have to be either mains interlinked or long life sealed battery interlinked to comply in the lettings world.

[@Daniells1982]

Check out a company called Ritherdon for a good retro fit solution for external meter enclosures. Remove the old door and they fit over the top of the old enclosure. They're a powder coated steel and pretty robust. Not cheap but worth investing in since the CU is mounted in there. Not a fan of that by the way.

[@scousepie2]

Great Vid.. guys !!

[@NBundyElectrical]

🤙🤙

[@Chequr_Prostate]

Our property management companies are charging landlords £65.00 just to organise the EICR sparks are charging £120.00 for the EICR.

[@tww5719]

Being a rental property ,would of given the customer a estimate for smoke alarms,using the radio link interconnection type,

[@peter-gn8ey]

for the RF types: what brand are you using and how easy/reliable do you find them to pair up?

[@petehiggins33]

If you're doing a cheapo EICR with a view to making your money on the remedials then there's an incentive to do a thorough test. The more you test the more remedial work you are going to find and the more pressure there is on the owner to get it fixed.

[@danieladams7919]

Not always unless you're making up non existant work

[@supernovajohnboy]

Hi mate. Noticed you said that a previous EICR was unsatisfactory due to single insulated tails coming out the main fuse. Was that the only reason for the unsatisfactory outcome? Just wondering as I would have thought that was a code 3. Love your vids by the way. 👍

[@tonyyoung3437]

Hi Nick, appreciate the video but when you put the KA down when doing your Ze you took the Prospective current to earth and not the Prospective short circuit current between Line and neutral. That is not necessarily a problem but you are looking for the highest reading and PSSC is normally higher. Sorry to be picky ! Tony

[@NBundyElectrical]

Hi mate thanks for the comment but I did reconnect main earth retest later with Adam to show him but thanks bud

[@samosa434]

Saw one of your old videos less than a minute ago come to check my subscription box and..... THERES A NEW VIDEOOOOOOOO!!! 🎉

[@roydowling2542]

25:45 you should always have set of old bodging driver's

[@Lostinspace1983]

I love Tysoft EasyCert. My Brother’s best mate is the guy who developed it, he originally created it based on feedback from his dad, who is a fellow spark. Software created for the guy doing the work imo. 👍🏻

[@119deano]

potentially one of the most important questions even if people hate it... your testing bag what one is it ?? just changed from Fluke to Megger and hate the case! that looks ideal for what I need.

[@ashmanelectricalservices4318]

I can't find anything in the Codebreakers book about there being no grommet where a cable enters a metal box yet it's one of my most frequent observations on EICR. There's one about cables coming into a DB/CU with sharp metal edges and no protection but nothing about metal boxes.

[@carletonmould2001]

I looked into this while ago and from what i gathered they pretty much said a grommet was there to protect the cable during installation. If you come across a metal back box and the sheath enters past a metal hole and is chased into the wall and it not damaged, but no grommet, they deemed it as being secured and said it wasn't codable... Could putting a grommet around a secured cable improve the safety of the electrical installation.... Some will argue yes but if the chase was bonded up to the cable entry then theres probably a higher chance of damaging the cable in the attempt to clear the hole to fit a grommet than it would it the cable was fixed and secured. Just to be clear, no fitting a grommet is bad practice no doubt Thoughts...

[@B60901]

I've had NICEIC & SELECT audits say you should even code it. I always thought it was a code 3 but there isn't a reg to back it up. I now just note it on an EICR

[@toolboxtalking]

Things are so much easier when the property is empty 😊

[@samosa434]

Nick at this point you may as well accept that you can’t stop saying ummm we don’t really care.

[@NBundyElectrical]

Noted ✌️

[@Fishbait075]

@@NBundyElectrical ummm, noted.

[@Camberwell86]

Yeah and whoever corrected "me and Adam" to "Adam and I" is a sadsack as well. 😅 (Seriously though who doesn't say "ummm" and let's remember he's talking to a camera totally unscripted)

[@cooper512]

Yes I agree. I for one hadn't even noticed it until you said it. Everyone has their mannerisms

[@chrisloftus6784]

How’s it going nick? Just a couple Of questions on EasyCert, what are the costing per year? How do you activate, are you given a serial number to activate on purchase? Cheers

[@stuartthespark]

Nice video, it should educate the public that an EICR takes longer than 10 minutes. What model megger are using? Sockets fixed low on skirting boards are prone to damage when the hoover smacks into them. Have you got sponsorship from flexi conduit yet?

[@NBundyElectrical]

Not yet I’m trying 😂👍

[@icemanA84]

I would probably accept the downlights non fire rating if directly above was landing on open staircase.

[@arniewheeler4673]

never seen a consumer unit in the meter box, 35yrs in business too.. OMG

[@davids5498]

Consumer unit outside? Weird. Maybe just different from where I am haha.

[@AGRElectrics]

Seems rather American don't it

[@Cablesmith]

I’m with you, I like to check and test 95-100% on an EICR, and my price reflects that. Any less and I’m not interested. I don’t particularly like them as it is. Certainly won’t be doing them for £60 a property.

[@jemseed]

£60 pound is just to get into the property to be able to tell the customer everything is wrong with the install to make money!!!

[@Cablesmith]

Jemseeds your right, either that, or they take £60 and don’t even enter the property

[@Ipotts50]

I’d take what that codebreakers says with a pitch of salt, it’s not the Regs it’s just Napits ‘opinion’ and riddled with mistakes in my experience. Those downlighters shouldn’t have been coded, there’s nothing wrong with them in terms of both the Wiring Regs & Part B Building Regs, a standard house has no fire compartments therefore open downlighters are acceptable. Only if it is a HMO or the downlighters are installed in a garage ceiling with a habitable room above do they need to be fire rated...

[@carletonmould2001]

527 states if we break and remove a section of a material intended to be used as a fire barrier we need to replace it with the same rated material. Fire compartments would never apply in these scenarios. HMO and flats as side, I've never seen a fire door installed in a single dwelling.

[@Ipotts50]

What concerns me here is that by applying a C2 it’s an instant fail on the EICR thereby forcing the Customer into potentially hundreds of pounds of remedial works that are totally unnecessary. Nick isn’t alone in this, I notice that Artisan Electrics is also applying this guidance and I’d stress at no fault of there’s, so you can imagine how many other lads are falling into the same trap. Napit need be doing a lot better than this and give accurate advice to their members otherwise we all risk them souring our hard fought reputations.

[@carletonmould2001]

@@Ipotts50 So what would you do if you came across a circuit wired in twin pvc cable with no earth supplying class 1 light fittings?

[@thomasanstiss469]

Obviously you can't read part b properly The building regs state 30mins in a floor between habited spaces regardless of fire compartment

[@Ipotts50]

@Carleton Mould: C2 mate for no lighting cpc with class 1 fittings...

[@andywalsh30]

Hi Nick, I know you mentioned in the video but what is the software you use for certs?

[@TheChipmunk2008]

What I have noticed round here is electricians coding EVERYTHING on EICRs, but not wanting the remedials... nor recommending a 'mate'. So I would say they're just after the 'ooo this guy is thorough' title. Had a guy I know personally code a missing RCD test notice as a C2 lol

[@ashmanelectricalservices4318]

I do like the Wera test bag, you got a link?

[@NapierNimbus]

If compliant not your problem but never had a consumer unit in the outside meter box in any of the rental properties I used to manage. Client handling it in the rain? Too easy for toerag bleeps switching it off, easily believe some of the bleeps I dealt with doing that and meter cupboard keys won't keep them out.

[@cooper512]

Or burglars for that matter

[@JamesWhitmore116]

first flexi of the day

[@NBundyElectrical]

Ffs 😂

[@gezski]

N Bundy Electrical Gonna take a loooong time before you live that down!

[@ethansmyth1563]

What would you code single insulation outside the down lights if the property had this?

[@jblaze260]

your meant to reinstall the main earth to take the pfc

[@0liver0verson9]

"Disgustingly yellow on a white pattress". Totally agree! yuk

[@wyndavies5044]

Dont understand the c2 for the downlights. You have a massive hole in the ceiling where the stairs are. So if there is a fire downstairs, it will spread up the stairs before starting its way through the downlight.

[@AGRElectrics]

Think it's more if the light causes the fire due to heat or general fault as well as general fire... We don't make rules we tick the boxes as we are told to 😉

[@thomasbambridge6974]

Most sparks on KZbin don’t seem to understand fire zones and fire rated lights . If that ceiling is one layer of normal plasterboard why on earth stick a fire rated light .

[@AGRElectrics]

@@thomasbambridge6974 well 1 single sheet of plasterboard offers 30 min of fire protection no?

[@thomasbambridge6974]

Ashley Rothery only if it’s fire board and the ceiling has been installed as a fire barrier sealed etc and like the comment above states the stairs are there so the fire will travel anyway, Further proof people don’t understand fire barriers . It’s good practice but pulling it on a domestic single dwelling eicr is a money maker ...

[@wyndavies5044]

@@thomasbambridge6974 exactly my point, but why would the napit put it as a code 2 in their book. That book needs scrapping as a lot of things are wrong in there. The only reason i have one, it helps me wright the code down on the cert as my english isnt the best 🙈

[@stevecraft00]

That coding for the downlights is harsh imo. A 2 storey house is one fire compartment. They don't need to be fire rated according to fire regs.

[@carletonmould2001]

Agree but 527 states something about if making holes in a material intended to be used as a fire barrier then suitable rated material needs to be fitted in its place to restore the rating (not word for word). I'm yet to come across anything in the big book which related to fire compartments. The issue isn't that they are not fire rated the issue is that the original installer didn't fully understand what was required and didn't follow all the required regulations (building, fire, electrical etc) and "forgot" to install fire hoods.

[@curtisj2165]

"Were you on Grinder" very funny😃😁😅why the hell is the fuseboard outside? Never seen that before. £100 eicr's are done in your van

[@NBundyElectrical]

Very common round my area

[@curtisj2165]

@@NBundyElectrical are £100 eicr's very common in your area as well?😂

[@NBundyElectrical]

Lmao 😂😂

[@jurassicsparks5220]

Very common in Australia too.

[@AGRElectrics]

id be tempted to fail it on the fact its outside without an IP enclosure. picky but one bad down pore and sad times.

[@NBundyElectrical]

Yeah wasn’t sure myself

[@Tomoose1985]

Agreed.

[@Tomoose1985]

@M H Yeah, and the crack in the box has ruined the integrity of the enclosure, hence it's not going to perform as it should.

[@sparky9282]

Be a nightmare having to change that box

[@daxw2460]

@@sparky9282 could change the door or, over sealed by an over boxing

[@Marri-Tech]

What are your intentions with Adam once he is qualified? Keep him on with you or get him a van and have him go to his own jobs.

[@NBundyElectrical]

Going to get him a van and start sending him on his own jobs hopefully

[@Marri-Tech]

Nice to see you have plans for the lad! He's coming on phenomanly. Hopefully be seeing him in his own van in no time

[@AndyK.1]

They couldn’t spend the day apart

[@mathman0101]

You can then get a new apprentice yay

[@8inary]

lol @ "ill get you some v-bucks later" lad is spoilt. Also, WD40 is great for getting stickers and sticker glue off surfaces.

[@arniewheeler4673]

a lot of people my way only check 10% of sockets, switches, lights and beat me on price. i remove everything.

[@chwilhogyn]

YUM! TIDY! Change the channel name to 'THE BUNDY ELECTRICAL ADVENTURES' WITH NICK & ADAM!!'

[@NBundyElectrical]

😂😂

[@Mmmjustme]

The Nick Bundy elec adventures with ADAM & I. 😂😉

[@misstakenot9582]

@@Mmmjustme The Nick Bundy elec adventures with ADAM & ME 😉

[@Mmmjustme]

Miss Take Not 😂😂😂

[@gezski]

No rear entry this time, but at least it was a tiny ring 👍

[@sambrad94]

I have got a plastic CU but it is RCD protected and has the old white cabling, I am looking at doing an extension do I need to get my CU upgraded to a metal one or can I still keep the plastic one? And do I have to change the wiring if the CU gets changed?

[@deanwhitmore4664]

Why was the earth end to ends so high . 0.08 end to end on the live I’d expect 0.13 on the earth where Adam stated 0.35. You still ended with 0.05 r1+r2 which I’d expect.

[@samuel2j213]

12:09 I love your videos but it’s an easy thing to fix , just put some sleeving on the switch lives

[@gavinwilliamson277]

Those blanks in the fuse board are classed as a c2 these days if I’m not mistaken as they can be removed and you can then stick a finger in and touch the busbar

[@paulmccann4171]

No no no

[@NBundyElectrical]

Good to know cheers 👍

[@gezski]

N Bundy Electrical No, not c2

[@gavinwilliamson277]

Maybe different in Scotland but I recently did the city and guilds inspection and testing course and was told that blanks must be fitted directly into the fuse board and must not be removable from the outside

[@B60901]

They have to be manufacturers own blanks but can be removable

[@waynenrich]

I always fancied getting a tester But the price always puts me off

[@TheChipmunk2008]

I hate EICRs, but i hate the codebreakers book more :P

[@andrewweissenberger1766]

Nick love the vids but just try and keep around the 20-25 min mark

[@NBundyElectrical]

Yeah man next few are around that 👍

[@mathman0101]

No longer the better

[@stephencoulthard1718]

Flash band the *""* out the cupboard and move on :)

[@RWATraineeElectrician]

Is it really ideal having the CU in the meter cupboard outside? Something causes a breaker(s) to trip, the tenant then has to go outside in god knows what weather to reset the breaker(s) and the potential of getting water into the unit?

[@stephencoulthard1718]

Touching CU while standing in a puddle...hope rubber slippers :)

[@codenamenel]

Switch wires unidentified would still be a c3, due to the mongs swapping switches for fancy ones or dimmers etc thinking its not a live conductor, Also, being pedantic, r2 on the ring Adam tested is too high, for an r1 of 0.08 r2 should be 0.13, regs only allows a 0.05 ohm difference, then You`re meant to test for R1+R2 at each socket and record the highest result, not just at where you cross connect it, conductor could just be twisted together in the back of the socket and not properly terminated, leaving anything plugged into it un-earthed

[@codenamenel]

@M H no I'm doing EICRs day in day out, on council properties, installations up-to 30 years old, if they're out more than 0.05 we have to sort the circuit out or the cert gets rejected. But that's part of our contract. On a private eicr it should be an "FI" and you can make another job out of it. Regs quite clearly says more than 0.05 and there's a problem. It makes no distinction between a new install and an EICR

[@Marco-mg9tv]

codenamenel which reg is that ?

[@codenamenel]

@@Marco-mg9tv I`m off on holiday this week so havent got the big book with me, but if you have an 18th edition OSG, Page 105, under step 1. Its also in Guidance note 3 (mines a 17th edition book but I dont think it changed much) page 36 under step 1.

[@Marco-mg9tv]

codenamenel OSG and guidance notes are not regulations are they ?

[@codenamenel]

@@Marco-mg9tv Yes, its just a condensed version. Read the cover, it quite clearly says IET Wiring regulations 18th edition BS7671:2018 On Site Guide. The same with GN3 media.rs-online.com/t_large/F1793977-01.jpg Give me til next week and ill give you the regulation, or you could actually get off your arse and look for yourself. In the OSG its got 643.2.1 next to it so start around there.

[@saxonthomson8870]

Done my AM2 last year and apparently they just introduced new “rules” per say about the students not being allowed to use their own testers etc!

[@NBundyElectrical]

Oh 😅

[@ValdoxGaming]

We don't use fuse boards anymore so consumer unit or switchboard would be the correct terminology.

[@09weenic]

Electrical Distribution Board to sound very technical 😂

[@mrgfromoxford8644]

Invest in a 30m R2 wander lead , saves hours of time taking down lights , which sometimes never go back the same . Also why destroy someone’s tiles , just put it down as a limitation 🙄

[@09weenic]

Very good point - to me the electrical certification bodies - NICEIC , SELECT are not expecting the tester to dismantle any light fittings

[@BillsAllotmentDiary]

5 double sockets downstairs on a ring 6 double sockets upstairs on a ring do they need to be on a ring or can they be on a radial with a smaller rated mcb? Currently on 32amp's

[@codenamenel]

Why do you need to change it if the ring is ok ?

[@BillsAllotmentDiary]

@@codenamenel I don't was just curious because it used to be all ring now you hear sparks saying ring mains are not required if the run is not very long so as I said just curious. I do know I have leakage issue because if you touch a cpc and load together with breaker turned of it still trips the cercuit. Think the problem is on the lighting as the sockets where rewired around 2 years ago and the issue was still their then.

[@codenamenel]

​@@BillsAllotmentDiary if there`s already an existing ring and it tests out ok, end to end of each leg L-L, N-N, E-E and its not cross connected anywhere etc then its fine, its just on new installations its not generally worth running a ring in for anywhere except a Kitchen because a 20A Radial will usually suffice. They just create extra problems, extra testing etc. Your RCD will still trip if you touch Neutral to Earth even if the MCB is switched off, its not a fault its doing what its meant to do as it detects an imbalance between L+N. Your Neutral cables are probably terminated on a common bar inside the consumer unit, when you touch N-E this provides a separate current path to Earth bypassing the RCD, Any more than 0.03 of an Amp difference between what comes through RCD on the Live and what goes back through on the Neutral and it will trip

[@AndyK.1]

Tiny ring 😂

[@NBundyElectrical]

😂😂

[@Daniells1982]

He must have learned that terminology on grinder 👀. Do you find 10" of Flexi con goes missing every time Adam has a grinder date?

[@alanr585]

Gosh! Adam's eyebrows?

[@jackhutchinson4073]

Que comments saying reconnect incoming earth for pfc

[@misstakenot9582]

Cue. Or cue a queue, even 😂

[@hardave17]

I bet Nagy doesn't even refer to the book, he's like a Mike Ross and has remembered it all.

[@user-vp7oj2rv2l]

i recall watching a john wad video and him saying downlights with no hoods etc are no code as it is classed as one fire compartment assuming there are no fire doors,it is very confusing for me who is right who is wrong ?

[@TheWillowens]

Napit are wrong. If it's a single household dwelling then the whole house is the fire compartment. Napit are very overboard with alot of their codings, but it remains a good book to have if you use your engineering judgement.

[@user-vp7oj2rv2l]

@@TheWillowens I agree i spoke to nappit on two different occasions regarding codes for downlights and I got two different codes from two different blokes

[@TheWillowens]

@@user-vp7oj2rv2l yeh and unfortunately too many inspectors are relying on this book to code items.

[@user-vp7oj2rv2l]

@@TheWillowens it's like they say if existing lights are not rcd protected and you can't guarantee the existing cables are in zones then its a code 2 how ridiculous i mean who goes around with a cable tracer when doing a eicr 🤣🤣🤣

[@TheWillowens]

@@user-vp7oj2rv2l my argument would be you need a tool to damage the cable so how could it be a C2? I mean Gas fitters can put their pipes in the walls too without any sort of automatic disconnection 🤷‍♂️

[@colinburton3834]

Why do people change perfectly good consumer units, it's safe just not to current standard which is designed to make electrcians money would never replace that DB in rental property

[@carletonmould2001]

We inspect and test to current standards and give non compliance items, using our training experience knowledge and engineering judgement, a suitable code if required. Should a client wish to have remedial work carried out on the back of it then thats there choice. Why shouldn't we highlight items where safety could be improved?

[@colinburton3834]

@@carletonmould2001 how would safety be improved all circuits are rcd protected ?

[@carletonmould2001]

@@colinburton3834 I never said all circuits but since you asked, have a read of 522.6.202 and 522.6.203 then on to 415.1.1.

[@hamidbazmi7948]

@@carletonmould2001 clients have no choice if they are given C2 for plastic cover CU!

[@pauldavies9709]

Did your customer request the 100% sample rate out of interest?

[@NBundyElectrical]

Not really, but with an empty Property is very easy to and I think people should more often

[@pauldavies9709]

@@NBundyElectrical I believe there's a trade off between being thorough and being overly invasive during inspection.

[@farmersteve129]

If you are charging proper rates you do a proper job, if you charge cowboy rates you most likely do a cowboy job. It's worth remembering that when you put your name on the EICR you are saying what condition the installation is in your opinion - get it wrong and someone might die & that's going to come back and sting whoever signed that sheet!

[@pauldavies9709]

@@farmersteve129 This wasn't a question on quality of work, it was a technical one relating to an industry standard usually of 30% and Nick deviating and doing 100%.

[@farmersteve129]

@M H I am aware of a case where a house was bought a couple of years ago, the mortgage company required an EICR, so the vendors agent organised a £100 special, which failed to highlight a number of loose terminations & accessories connected with VIR cable that was perished. It was fortunate that the new occupier was awake when the fire broke out - had the fire occurred during the night it is quite possible that the occupant would not have woken. As it was, the person who undertook the EICR was sacked/made a scapegoat for not being thorough!

[@jurassicsparks5220]

Where’s the Vicars son in the comments list?

[@gmeadowcroft84]

I'm still kind of a novice but could the Cabinet door not be marked as a C3 due to the fact it has a potential to be a danger but it has clearly been like that for some time and not caused an issue....

[@NBundyElectrical]

Yeah I put it as a c3 too 👍

[@gmeadowcroft84]

I'm still learning myself but from what I heard thats all im going off

[@Daniells1982]

If it's potentially dangerous it would be a C2. C3 is improvement recommended.

[@bobbyzilla]

Not sure you tested the PFC correctly then.

[@NBundyElectrical]

It’s was the 2 lead test combined with the Ze, I did the three lead later off camera 👍

[@bobbyzilla]

@@NBundyElectricalgood answer. Lol with the main earth connected.

[@petertallowin6406]

What happened to we are not allowed to fit any gear in the meter cabinet???? I know that wasn't your work but, WTF? Have I missed something? Edit : Code breakers gives a big sort it out to NICEIC. How Many NIC members own a copy? Own up. I know I am am.