ETCG Talks ASE Testing -ETCG1

It's early April 2016 and I just took all my ASE recertification tests. It's been 5 years since I took the tests and a lot has changed in that time. I talk about those changes, and my thoughts on the test itself.
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[@ScannerDanner]

In the past, when I go to re-certify, I've always wanted to do the best I could on these tests. My bother an I always compare who got the better scores :-) But this time around, I really just wanted to get through the tests. I knew I could miss quite a few and still pass and all I cared about was passing. It was a busy day and I just wanted to get done. So my plan was that any questions that I could just blow through, that is what I was going to do, and not analyse everything is great detail. So the test was the Electrical and Electronics systems recert. It was 25 or 30 questions. And I have to tell you that EVERY single question, forced me to read it carefully and analyze what was being said. They were written so well! I literally could NOT go through them quickly. They forced me to think. I agree with you Eric on the practice exams, they suck and have many mistakes. But I have to tell you ASE has REALLY gotten good at writing these questions! I mean, there were some questions that there was no way you could get them right unless you were actually in the field and doing some of this stuff! I was super impressed and only wish I could write test questions that good for my class. It is so hard to write a good test question. Props to ASE for continuing to improve with there tests. Thanks Eric!

[@ETCG1]

I agree, the actual tests were much better than the practice questions. They also made me think more than anticipated as well. In the end, I feel more like I earned it. Thanks for weighing in Paul.

[@ScannerDanner]

Agree. And no problem brother

[@greasee.monkey7224]

I just passed my first two ASE tests(Brakes & Suspension). It was instant gratification indeed. I had my pass results before I put my keys in the ignition in the parking lot. I'm glad I did it. Should have done it awhile ago. 25 year veteran of the wrench here. Thanks for the info Eric!👍👍

[@ETCG1]

Congratulations!

[@greasee.monkey7224]

@@ETCG1 Thank you.

[@grandmackdady]

congrats on the ASE certification. been over 17 years since mine ran out and i agree ASE certification don't mean crap till you are at least in the field for a good amount of time and learn the work with all devices

[@KLX1990]

I always thought ASE stood for Ask Somebody Else

[@williamcook2499]

Kevin Long I don't know ya... might be seriously kidding.... and I'm not sure if I should thumb up or down... done both a couple times.

[@patw52pb1]

Congratulations Eric, wear it proud you earned it. Excellent topic. There is knowledge, where testing, qualifying and quantifying is relatively easy, proficiency and competency can be demonstrated over time, but determining and quantifying ethics and character are much more difficult. ASE testing and certifications are valid methods of determining the test takers knowledge and documenting it. Mechanical dexterity, skill and proficiency has to be demonstrated by successfully performing the required work procedures over an extended period and comes with experience. Competency is demonstrated by the decisions/choices a mechanic/technician makes when a job/procedure executes such as making the correct diagnosis, identifying the correct part(s) to order, successfully completing the job/procedure correctly and efficiently. Character and ethics are usually demonstrated when things do not go according to plan, such as the mechanic/technician makes an incorrect diagnosis, the job has compound problems or more difficult, the mechanic/technician simply does not know, dirties/breaks or damages the customers vehicle or something in the vehicle or the mechanic/technician finds something valuable/potentially embarrassing hidden in the vehicle. How the shop, management and mechanic/technician handles those situations are indicative of collective and individual ethics, morals, honesty and character. When the employer or shop displays the ASE blue gear seal it is selling the idea that the shop, management and technicians are knowledgeable, proficient, competent and inherently ethical, moral and honest. No piece of paper or certification can guarantee proficiency, competency, ethics, character and honesty, those are personal decisions up to the individual mechanic/technician/person. Being a mechanic/technician is a craft where the skill is always expanding and being refined, personal growth and education is on-going and respect is earned with all of the above positive attributes. When a shop, shop management and or a mechanic/technician continually earns the respect and trust of it's clients or customers by demonstrating knowledge, skill, proficiency, competency, ethics, morals and honesty they have a winning product combination and they are usually very profitable.

[@ETCG1]

+patw52pb1 Well put. Thanks for weighing in.

[@jasontinkham5570]

Good job, taking recerts myself in a few weeks. ASE does show a commitment to the trade and a commitment to yourself being a better technician.

[@davidb.fishburn9338]

Congrats, Eric, from one tech to another, i just finished an advanced electrical diag course at a Chrysler training center, they do have high standards to be able to pass the courses. There's several levels to go thru to become a Chrysler master tech.. You mentioned a good point, those that can pass the test yet not have a clue in the field. I call that being "book smart" and not being "street smart". There are people who are one way, and others who are the other way, buy it is rare to see the ones who are both.

[@oscarronquillo7794]

David B. Fishburn Chrysler doesnt have high standards... i work at a chrysler dealer... you just show up for two days and pass an wasy test you can take over and over... and its not book smart or street smart... if you take pride in ur career you will be good at ASE, dealer training and on hands... dont be naive...

[@IAW_OPSEC]

Failed my first ASE test which was brakes 2 weeks ago( got a 27 out of 45). The delmar book really helped , but I just didn't study enough. Going to take it again in a month or so and steering and suspension since my company payed for a class, I can't wait.. I've only been in the automotive field for 2 years, replacing the part can be somewhat simple but diagnosing is hard but I will learn!

[@ETCG1]

+Marvy Marv Good luck!

[@IAW_OPSEC]

+ETCG1 thank you sir!

[@ArmstrongRacing]

I agree with a lot of your points, this is why I got certified in L1 as well. It's a much more difficult test that covers many areas of diagnostic ability.

[@marcharris4775]

I am an ASE certified technician out of Cleveland,Ohio.I found that my recertification tests were more challenging than the regular tests because they had much fewer questions that were very hard.

[@justinwilliams3933]

good video Eric. I just passed the engine performance last week, I studied furiously and it paid off

[@ETCG1]

+Justin Williams Congratulations!

[@justinwilliams3933]

+ETCG1 thanks man. your videos have helped me alot. God bless brother

[@ETCG1]

+Justin Williams I'm happy to help. Thanks very much for your comments. They mean a lot. Good luck in your career.

[@sharonlatham7046]

From Tom and Sharon; Hey, Eric, thanks for all the great advice! I'm a retired auto tech out of So. Cal, took all ASE tests, when I worked at K-Mart Auto in late 80s (before they laid us all off), they would recognize our ASE certs. by giving a 50 cent an hour raise for each category test passed. P.S. My project car is a '94 Olds Cutlass with 3.1L. Just did the lower intake manifold gasket and pass. side motor mount, what a joy to work on! LOL! and I'm stayin dirty!

[@ETCG1]

+Sharon Latham We used to get raises for ASE also. That went away long ago. Thanks for your comment. Good luck with that 'project'.

[@beastboy0078]

I agree with you on the experience of a Tech versus the ASE certification. It's like I always said when it comes to. " book smart. Wrench dumb" I've been looking to get my brake certification. Thank you for the Leeds on the practice test

[@amishdinkledork]

Technician A is a psychopath, Technician B is a scam artist. Which one do you kill? Tech A, Tech B, neither, or both?

[@ETCG1]

+David Soule I love this comment. When I was in tech school I used to wear a name tag, 'Technician A'. The A stood for... Well, you figure it out.

[@amishdinkledork]

+ETCG1 I am going to do that with a classmate of mine. (we are also coworkers) this is too funny what a great idea!!

[@danr5105]

+ETCG1 At the GM Dealer techs were always running around asking "do you have the Tech 1" (the scanner) My reply was "I am Tech 1"

[@littlerhino2006]

I was amazed to find how many technicians, salespeople, and management exhibited psycho/sociopathic behaviors. I wonder if it's true for all career fields and not just unique to the car business but it was definitely an eye opener how all those loonies could function in such close proximity.

[@ishotthetrixbunny9773]

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[@xitman327]

looks like an engine rebuild video is comming!!!YEAAAAAHHH!!!!

[@MrMonkeykiller1996]

I was thinking the same thing he's trying to be sneaky by putting it in the background

[@DENicholsAutoBravado]

+steven bloomfield lol

[@ETCG1]

+mcxitos as Tear down video yes. After the video you'll see we have some parts to get before the rebuild. BTW, Premium Members of my website get a preview of it this Wednesday.

[@mtberguy]

I've got 6 of my ASE certifications and have almost 20 years of experience. The only thing that the certifications have done for me has got my foot in the door and started my pay negotiations. With my wife being military, I have to start rebuilding my name every 3 years bc most employers I've found never call my previous employers for references. And I have seen the looks on their faces when I told them I have 2 certifications versus 6. I wish more shops did the apprenticeships. I did mine with a great brake and suspension technician. It taught me the everyday what I'll run into, how to survive in a shop, and how to earn a living starting out while doing the job right. It gave me enough knowledge to how and why to do things that I might not have ever seen. And it made it where I could run circles around guys that had graduated from tech schools.

[@canuckgametalk]

Hey Eric! Canada has an apprenticeship program up here too for automotive. I'm an apprentice right now and it's a 4 year government program that you go through to get your "Red seal" and become a "Journeyman" in your trade. It covers a LOT. So much so that American garage owners actually go to our trade schools and "Headhunt" for future mechanics. Love the show, take care!

[@justindasilva73]

First off congrats eric on your recertification and thanks for talking about the ASE test as I hope to be a master tech someday

[@ETCG1]

+justindasilva73 Good luck!

[@briansmobile1]

Amen on the apprenticeship nod comments around 7:05.

[@lawsautomotive108]

Here it is this is what my teacher from Red river community college said to us, the schooling is a foundation to build your career on and continue to billed it every day in your life time career..... , the course if you take the time to do all the schooling "ASE L1" like the "Interprovincial standard" or in Canada we call it "Red seal" witch it is the same as "ASE L1 L2 L3Master tech".

[@et_2brutus640]

The CompTIA certification tests for information technology professionals are very similar... questions regarding outdated technology, questions where there are often many different ways of resolving issues, etc. Thankfully my co-workers and I have reached a point where we simply don't bother with them... you stay more up to date in technology by reading tech articles, networking with vendors and just doing the work. There can be a wide gulf between a certified technician and a competent one; we hardly even look at certs anymore when interviewing applicants, as we've been burned in the past by hiring "Fully Certified" candidates that weren't worth the paper their resumes were printed on once they were sent to the field. Great topic, Eric... definitely a universal problem in any service/support industry.

[@panikk2]

I'm a Tech for a school district. Completely concur. I tell people that you can't get ahead by reading study guides for technology that's 10 years out of date. If you aren't on the bleeding edge as a passion, in your "off time", then it's not the right fit for you most likely.

[@DementedButtHole]

They STILL have CompTIA tests going on?? I prepped someone back in 08, and the course material contained stuff on ISA bus and the VESA local bus -_-

[@et_2brutus640]

+DementedButtHole afraid so, and they still have a lot of folks convinced they're relevant.

[@commodore665]

where I have my car serviced , a lot of the techs have a Gold Level GM- Holden certification by their names in the reception in the service lounge , and well done to you Eric on the certification .

[@aaronphx420]

A congratulations is in order for you sir.

[@keithkennedy9065]

I think experience counts more than any test.. I am licensed in mass for my trade and I know plenty of guys who are not and have worked in the trade for years longer than me and are really good. I know what I am doing but these guys know those trade tips and tricks. the old timers are the best ones to learn from.

[@kevineinheuser8643]

Here in Mi, we have state testing to certify us to even work on cars legally (that is if one does not get caught wrenching without certs etc.) I always held ASE in high regard from starting in the trade at 16. Watching ASE techs from the shop I grew up in was like watching an artist do art. I had master level with the state for a while, but recently received 4 ASEs and looking to take more. I view ASE certified as passion for one's ability, props to you if you're an ASE Tech!

[@jmp0428]

L1 is the most realistic test! If you cant read and comprehend the composite vehicle information and scan tool data provided you wont pass the test and you also don't have the required skills to diagnose the vehicle in the shop.

[@jamesdean787]

I agree. Testing facilities are very acceptable in my opinion. Controlled environment, ease of use as far as the computers. I felt very comfortable in a testing atmosphere, which in the past, was never the case. Have a great week Mr Eric.

[@ETCG1]

+James Dean You too.

[@joseibarra125]

Thanks for information I’m going to take my first test soon and a current view and experience with the actual test environment does help me know what to expect.

[@ETCG1]

Good luck on your test and with your career!

[@KillaCiViC1181]

My recerts are right around the corner...I'm dreading it and procrastinated Eben signing up. Another important reason to be ASE certified is if you ever have to go to court over something. I was recently subpoenaed for testimony on how one shop destroyed someone's engine. That's the first question you're asked, "Are you ASE certified?" Same thing happened when a buddy of mine had to go to court over a different issue.

[@KillaCiViC1181]

I'm a 10 year Lexus master technician, by the way... I've never worried about being fired... hell I quit to go work for Tesla for a while, and they were practically begging me to come back... which I did eventually.

[@ETCG1]

+Jason Anderson I was that way at Acura too. I left for a while and then came back, partly because they missed me. My advice, don't get cocky. They'll fire you in a heartbeat if it suites them. I know this from personal experience. www.ericthecarguy.com/about-etcg

[@HowtoAutomotive]

I can remember when I got my first ASE I was happy that I pass but deep down I didn't feel any more competent. Then I went to a trade school and got my smog license here in California and that made a world of difference. It also gave me certification that was recognized by the state of California not through ASE.

[@ETCG1]

+How to Automotive Yea, CA techs have much higher standards than the rest of us, especially when it comes to emissions. I almost moved there at one point.

[@HowtoAutomotive]

+ETCG1 well Eric One incentive to move out here's is our cars are rust free. And I deathly wouldn't say California techs are any better or smarter than the rest of the country. There are some smart guys out there.

[@ETCG1]

+How to Automotive The time for that move has long past. I have kids in school and I intend to see that through. I went to a lot of different schools growing up and it was difficult. I don't want to do the same to them.

[@HowtoAutomotive]

+ETCG1 I fully understand that I was a Military brat. Keep up the good work and thank you!!

[@ETCG1]

+How to Automotive Copy that.

[@jdmeaux]

You are correct. experience is worth more than book knowledge. Years back when I worked for VW in the Used Car Department, I had many ASE certified mechanics come up and ask me to help them with lots of problems they were having. I was NOT certified but I knew more than many of them did. Since I worked on so many different makes, I knew lots of "tricks" to servicing them. Yes, experience is worth more.

[@ETCG1]

+jdmeaux Agreed. Experience is always worth more.

[@aaronfriedman7013]

I took an EMT test at such a testing site. Instant results is awesome

[@motorcyclesandridingfree2899]

I believe those willing to take additional testing like ASE testing are more about doing things right for the most part yeah you will have some bad apples but overall they believe in there profession and wanna do it right. I am master ASE With 9 certifications and also Master State Certified as we are required to be certified in Michigan. Good Job Eric don't let the haters stop you from doing your thing.

[@southfloridatechnicaltrain2589]

You can take the full test if you want the challenge. I take every full test every year. Its great for curriculum development. And keeps you up to par as an instructor. I require my instructors do this so they understand what students are facing. I honestly think they need a more advanced level of testing even above the L series. But for now I agree with Eric ASE is the only gauge of if your competent as a technician we currently have. It is a good test of common scene and basic automotive knowledge. This might piss some people off but Today there is no way you can service vehicles with out service information so if you cant study to pass a very basic test you probably cant follow service information. There for they are a parts changer and not a technician. Currently 90% of my students become ASE certified but there are 10% who just don't cut it at this point in there career. If you read the system description on every job you do and work as a technician for a few years there is no way you cant pass these test. But some people refuse to read the service information and say the test is the problem.

[@southfloridatechnicaltrain2589]

Oh one other note. Practice test on line or in books are only about 35% accurate to what is on the test.

[@terrycollins0314]

Or a person may not be good at taking tests I know a couple of people that can dissect any engine in the world and properly diagnosis a vehicle but can't pass the tests just bc you can pass a test didn't mean you can turn the wrench

[@RenePerez-pu4cj]

Any advice on the A4 exam? Just took the A5 last week and passed

[@codybragg5918]

@@RenePerez-pu4cj can you tell me how the A5 was? Maybe even email me and give me a few examples of the questions? I will be taking the A5 soon. Congratulations on passing though!

[@RenePerez-pu4cj]

@@codybragg5918 It wasn't too bad. I can't remember the questions because it was close to 2 months ago since I took that test. What have you been using to study for the test?

[@dondavi5798]

Congrats on your Master. I gave up taking ASE's (Ask Someone Else) after realizing I would stress for 2 weeks up until the test, pass and never be asked again about them or proof of them again. Not to mention after 16 years turning wrenches I have met all sorts of "Certifieds" my favorite one was a guy that was bragging about getting his L1 then later the same day, and in all seriousness, asking me how tight a hose clamp should be. I was almost too stunned to give a sarcastic answer, blew my mind.

[@ETCG1]

+Don Davi True that.

[@KeisssL]

Hi, Eric! I do agree with you about apprenticeship in uk, it gives you insight and confidence in mechanical ability, I am at the end of mine, getting my city of guilds at level 3 which makes me a diagnostics technician, but after years in garage I realise cars are getting quite complicated and it is easier if you work on one make or for one franchise such as like mini and bmw, or mercedes and smart. So I think that is going to be my next step.

[@CajunGreenMan]

That was awesome! Very wide-ranging and thorough discussion of all the relevant issues. Keep up the great work!

[@flyingtjar007]

I worked hard for my Master ASE cert, and I plan to keep it as long as i can. I agree though, that the process could be refined a bit. A paper test doesn't show skill/experience. I enjoy most of your video's. Master certified, and I'm still learning stuff all the time. Keep up the good work.

[@ETCG1]

+jared thomas Good on you for making the effort. May your future auto repair experiences be good ones. Although, the bad ones often teach you more. Thanks for the comment.

[@TheSquatchy]

I am a GM ASEP student in a GM dealership. The school I go to is a legitimate college and GM uses their facility to teach us. I have to take real classes like Comp and Rhet, basic physics, etc. I will graduate with a REAL associates degree and will have the opportunity at all 8 ASE exams, I've already taken and passed two of the exams! I agree with you that the ASE tests leave a lot to be desired. However, they do require a pretty good knowledge of the material in order to pass. Not just anybody can pass! But I absolutely love my school and dealership! Everybody wants you to succeed! Your teacher, your mentor, your service manager, EVERYBODY involved wants you to do well! There is a lot of information we don't get! But I am a lot better off than the local vocational school in my hometown. (My school is 250 miles from home.) I think ASE tests are great, but in my opinion manufacturer specific training is the best you can get.

[@ETCG1]

+Nick Cook That's awesome. Good luck in school and with your career. Sounds like you're going to do great.

[@venture208]

I have pasted the G1 and Brakes. I just don't have the work experience for the brakes but i have the ASE G1.

[@OP-ik7qb]

may i ask you if the questions were similar to the free study guides? thank you

[@scott33761]

Eric you have gotten quite good at these. Congratulations

[@ETCG1]

+scott33761 Thanks.

[@dc5723]

COngratulations Eric

[@apotech1402]

As a L1 X1 Master Tech as well as Medium Heavy Truck Master Tech from ASE in my opinon the tests are not all they could be. In my opinion 2 years is not enough field time to really know enough I have almost 30 years in the field and still learn something new every day. ASE is a start but as a tech if your not continually learning your in trouble

[@aaronlaskowski3018]

In Sask Canada, we have an optional apprenticeship system that requires 1800 hours of work on vehicles per level with a total of 4 levels. Once those hours are completed they are sent in to the Apprentice Board and they contact you to advise then ask which technical institute or school you would prefer to go to for additional training and testing. after completing four Levels / years of apprenticeship successfully, next you are required to take a Journeyperson / Red Seal exam which is all four years of education compiled into one huge exam. A passing grade is 80 percent, so I truly do feel I have earned my title as a journeyman automotive service tech lol

[@Thunderroad8517]

+Aaron Laskowski any idea about how it works in ontario, ottawa or know someone who,s wrenching there. Wife has family there and she wants to move there.

[@aaronlaskowski3018]

I would assume quite similarly, the red seal is a canada wide qualification

[@Thunderroad8517]

and you have to get it to work there? what is the apprenticeship paying to start?

[@Thunderroad8517]

if your a long time tech do you get to test out of some of that time? (1800 hrs).

[@BSFJeebus]

Working with computers, I have a similar certification called the A+, which is really just a baseline, knowing the fundamentals and 90% of what I know is really from on the job applications first. But the certification has helped solidify that I at least know some of what I'm doing. I believe the ASE works the same way, it's just a baseline.

[@ETCG1]

+Bogdan Oros Yea, it many ways it is just a form of validation.

[@ranct1815]

Well I'm registered to take ASE A5, I figure since I'm going to start as a GST and I'll be under the vehicle most of the time changing oil anyway, why not and probably get paid a bit more since I just graduated from school... While the info is still fresh in the brain... I agree work brings experience which brings knowledge which brings power of wisdom... 😃👍🔧🔩⚒

[@ETCG1]

Good luck in your career!

[@ranct1815]

@@ETCG1 Thanks

[@aaronarmelin616]

hello Eric, congrats on passing your test. As for me taken ase tests are a thorn in my side. have a taken a4 test a couple of times and in the past 4 years and I can't not pass it. lately I have been studying for the free test website you mentioned in the comments and they are really out there for some. just so nervous about taking it again and failing again. plus the money is another issue. but on the flip side having them would help me if I would start my own business some day. great videos keep it up Eric.

[@ETCG1]

+Aaron Armelin Take your time when reading and answering the questions. Do what you can to relax. The more stressed you are, the harder it will be. Good luck.

[@bobjohnson8206]

Back in the day I worked in an independent repair shop as a gofer and didn't really know anything mechanical but was willing to learn, way before ASE was around. I learned a lot but never worked on an overhead cam engine they weren't around back then. I have a Mercedes 560 SL that was in need to check certain things out in a preventive measure. The dealer wanted a huge amount of money to do what I thought should be done. I decided to take on the task. To make a long story short I went to an independent shop for some information regarding the timing of the engine. All of the mechanics there were ASE certified. The information he was giving me was not correct and I called him out on it and told him there are no timing marks on the chain and his reply was they all do it that way and they all have marks on the chain. When I called him out on it he was at his desk and immediately started going on the internet to see what I was saying was correct. Then his reply was we wouldn't take that on and refused to do the work. I ended doing all of the work and saved the money but went into additional steps in the process. In this instant ASE they all were but not qualified. Love your videos.

[@demmery1160]

In Australia we have apprenticeships for pretty much every skilled trade. They usually take around 3-4 years and include working in the trade and technical schooling (we call it tafe), usually 1-2 days a weeks at the tech school. Its a pretty good system and allows you to earn money (while it is usually minimum wage) and learn your chosen trade.

[@ETCG1]

+DEMMERY11 I wish we had something like that in the states. We have similar programs, but nothing national. I think we could really benefit if we did. Thanks for your input.

[@mozillagenesis]

I remember taking my A+ cert (very first cert I got in IT) and I agree, some of the questions were not fair or whoever formulated them possibly didn't think about all the scenarios that experience can teach you. A lot of the questions were something along the lines of "You turn on your PC, and you hear one beep, but there is no video on the monitor, what could be wrong" and out of the 5 answers, I knew from experience that at least 2 answers could be completely correct - however, the test only wanted only 1 specific answer. So which one do you pick? lol

[@ETCG1]

+Mozzie Precisely where my frustration came with some of those practice questions. Thanks for your input.

[@jaywebb0113]

Eric I have personally felt that me rushing to get my ASEs without having enough hands on experience was putting the cart before the horse as they say. I went to 20 month Auto & Diesel Tech College. I passed with nearly a 4.0 gpa however i had zero work place experience coming out of school in the trade. I had to start at floor level as a tire and lube tech at Sears Auto Center and 18 months of being part time there I got hired by a dealer for full time lube tech, 2 years doing that i got moved to be an apprentice for our drive ability tech. When I took the apprentice position I was told it would be a year and half to two years understudy. 6 months into it as of now its going well, Im required to have 100% in all my dealership factory training and I have to get 4 A.S.E.s before I can be put on my own. I have no fear of the testing I have always been good at test and school work I just want to prove that I am capable of doing the work and not just having a piece of paper claiming I am.

[@magnumjohnson9628]

ASE MASTER AUTO AND HEAVY TRUCK TECH HERE. I BARELY GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL ALREADY OVER 100K, LOOKING AT 118-120K FOR 2019

[@robthurlow1347]

Hey Eric in the uk we have to do an apprentiship and then do something similar to the ASE certification as well to progress our careers. you can also do your eng tech/incorporated engineer/charted engineer qualifications with one of the engineering institutions such as the imeche. the level you can obtain will depend on the academic certification you gain as an apprentice and as time goes on the experience/positions you have obtained through out your career.

[@GreatNorthWoodsHillbilly]

I have never taken the test, but I work on 30+ year old stuff most of the time. Back about twenty years ago I worked in a VIP Auto Parts garage next to a guy who had a ASE. And you are right, it doesn't mean the person is a mechanic. I am not saying that every person with a ASE is not a mechanic, but there is mechanics and there is part changers. This guy was a parts changer. Make a long story short, we had a car come in with sticking calipers, he was working on it, we couldn't get both calipers and the customer needed the car. The ASE guy didn't know that you could pull that caliper apart hone it and clean it and make it work. I knew this because my education came from working in a junkyard where we fixed up junk cars to sell. I was taught by old timers that knew how to take things apart and make them work like new again. So while I do believe that ASE is a good thing to have, it doesn't mean the person holding it is the best mechanic. Just like myself being a AWS certified welder doesn't mean I am one of the best welders out there. And every job has more than one way to cure the problem, it is just a matter of what is the best way to cure it for that particular job.

[@Blazer02LS]

I'm up for re-cert next year. Haven't decided which ones or if I'm going to re-cert again. I have the full A series, full B series, had the M series (Engine Machinist) and part of the E series (No APU) Strange thing was that I went in and applied for a counter position at a parts store and was told I was VERY overqualified. Told them that I was just looking for something to get me away from the shop for a while. Now I see that ASE has a parts test as well...

[@ETCG1]

+Blazer02LS Yea, it's tough to decide how far to go with it these days. No matter what you decide, good luck.

[@joshuareynolds7982]

I can agree, in recently took a specialist ASE and the practice test I kept either just barely passing or I wouldn’t even be close and I just took my test on Monday and actually was allot easier and I got a good score

[@jamesmiller3297]

Good job Eric. I have been a ASE master since 1988 and a Nissan master since 1992. OEM training is great , still have to go to new model training to keep my master status up to date . Nissan is one of the manufacturers that require A1-A8 certifications to be a Nissan Master Tech. I also have the L1 and L3 . I got the L3 because I work on Hybrids and LEAFs . Sometimes you need top credentials to get top dollar. The dealer I work for is like that. I know there are techs. out there just as or more capable then I am , they just are not good test takers. Then there is the flip side , good test takers but can not fix a car. I think it is all about ones own situation as to certify or not.

[@ETCG1]

+James Miller Kodos to you for staying up to date and being an example of what's possible in this profession.

[@daveogarf]

Oh, MAN, Eric! Can I sympathize with you. Had a supervisor - ex-Navy - who was SURE that the ONLY way to accomplish something was by a single, very strict procedure. We followed Standard Operating Procedure manuals to the letter, and if we strayed or varied from the 'guidelines', Woe Be Unto Thee! That kind of rigid, super-structured atmosphere made it SO DIFFICULT sometimes. And I can't picture you following such unvarying processes; that would not be you. As we've seen, your talent for adapting tool uses and procedures has saved your bacon more than once on the repair show, and to have to follow something so narrowly structured would only hamper you in your efforts to accomplish a goal. NICE to hear about the process of certification, and the behind-the-scenes work that goes into it. Thanks!

[@ETCG1]

+daveogarf Thanks very much for that glowing assessment. I see myself as adequate. I still learn and that's what keeps it interesting. I also agree that not everything goes according to procedure. Thanks for your input.

[@ThatManitobaGuy]

Apprenticeship programs are quite common in Commonwealth countries such as Canada, New Zealand, Australia and the UK. The result at least in Canada is a Red Seal which is not only a national certification but can also carry over to other Commonwealth countries.

[@ETCG1]

+ThatManitobaGuy Cool, thanks for the input.

[@estechguy01]

Iv taken 5 major certification tests in the past two years and I'm going to be taking 2 more in three weeks. That's what happens when you are in the IT field like me. You have to re-certify every 3 or 4 years as well or get another cert on the same path.

[@BillBogan]

All the questions on the A/C were on only R12 when I took the test years ago. Nothing about R134. I only worked with R134. That sucked.

[@alexking358]

I understand a test is a test and it is not real world experience. I figure that if I'm hiring a guy that can sit down, study, read a book apply himself then I have a much smarter, more dedicated and innovative technician. I have been studying up for my G1 and B2 as well as a few other certifications you can receive online. I don't think you should claim to know everything and their is no substitute for experience but like you have said before you need both and a truly intelligent person can pass the test AND do the work. Will I know everything about automotive repair after I pass my tests? No but it shows that i'm dedicated to my trade especially since I am funding it out of my own pocket. Another instance where this would benefit is when your supervisor at your shop is giving you wrong information to begin with. I currently do restoration work and I WANT my certifications because even though my supervisor is knowledgeable he says stuff that is completely wrong all of the time. LEARN IT FOR YOURSELF.

[@mtejada1]

You need your ase certification for better pay. It's a must. In a dealership that is

[@daltonnelson5944]

Eric I did my ASE test in July 2018, when I reach at the test centre to sit the test I thought I was at the airport going tru immigration because of the tight security screening, anyway I took the testes and passed, for me some questions was really difficult and make you think really hard. Looking forward to do my recertification in the near future.

[@JeremieLison]

I am a gold level technician at Gm (master tech) the training was very well laid out but the tests were hard. Which is good. My name hangs in the service lounge in a frame. And I haven't been let go.

[@ericthecarguy]

+Jeremie Lison I'm happy to hear that. I'm not saying it works that way in all situations, but it's strange how it does happen often enough to mention.

[@JeremieLison]

i know what you're saying, i believe its just that they know they need to pay you more and decide they would rather just hire some fresh apprentice... didnt you know that 2 crappy techs make up for 1 good tech? lmao

[@111111polly]

Hey Eric, we have apprenticeships here in New Zealand also, its a means for someone to get into most service and trades here, the way it works is you either have to study up to a certain level and then apply to be an apprentice, or you start as an apprentice and the company pays for your studies this is usually in both cases but some apprenticeships have prerequisite requirements before starting.

[@ETCG1]

+Randomvids I like apprenticeship programs. I think they're a great way to learn if implemented properly. Thanks for your input.

[@111111polly]

not a problem, enjoy your videos looking forward to your next project, regards luc

[@murjiim]

Also in Canada and i speak for Ontario where i am a 3/4th yr apprentice now thinking of writing for my license. I work at a dealer for International trucks

[@insylem]

The FAA Requires a practical evaluation as part of their tests for an Aircraft Mechanics' Licence.

[@RenePerez-pu4cj]

I went to a high school that taught the aviation profession

[@fordwindsor351]

I worked 14 years in the garage, never was ASE certified and still in my mind better than the guy that worked next to me that had 4 ASE certs.

[@GalaxieMarauder]

yep!

[@robz2373]

same

[@jamez2u]

Your right in your mind you are a better mechanic... but when you go to look for a new job and some other mechanic has 14years experience and is an ASE Mastertech who do you think is going to get hired and paid more? It is not your mind that the ASE test are there to prove something to, it is the employers mind and the customers mind. Keep that in mind when you go look for a job or ask for a raise.

[@frontspring1]

fordwindsor351 yeah nobody gives a shit about the chemical reactions that go on in your empty skull.

[@C4soulja]

I'm a very qualified mechanic. I specialize in diesels. I've been doing it for around 15 years. I agree you can pass a test and not work on a car. However Eric has it right. It's one of the few certifications in our field. I feel proud to be a good tech and ase certified. It, IMO, shows alot of drive but also basic knowledge in as well to reading and comprehension skills which are important in these days. FYI DONT get me started on torque wrenches. I feel ya. It's not always neccessary but I ALWAYS seem to work on a vehicle AFTER a 1000lb gorilla went to town on it. A 6mm threaded bolt does NOT need to be hammered down by an impact driver.

[@Thatsecondrat]

Well erick im pretty sure you are right im just start to being a ase tech and is hard but you got a good information so thanks for sharing

[@samjohnson466]

Eric it sounds like your talking about the difference between certified and qualified. An individual can be certified but not really qualified to do the job before them.

[@DENicholsAutoBravado]

Good one!

[@ETCG1]

+Sam Johnson Yea, I think that about covers it.

[@ironcross420]

+Sam Johnson I believe the whole intent SAE was to make sure persons are qualified to do the job the right way thus being ASE certified. My father was GM ASE Master, worked at Chevy Dealers, many high-end client list that would only allow him to work on their vehicles, such as the owner of Gerber Knives and his Corvette. He taught everything I know. Worked on all my friends and families vehicles. Am I qualified? I just don't have a piece of paper to say so. I haven't invested in this career path due to how hard it is to get in the game in my area. Competition is ridiculous being a border town and the state as it's own country (California). I got the tools Circa 80-90's Snap on. Now with the Tech Cert. I've seen shops false advertise their guys are ASE.

[@samjohnson466]

That's quite the short story over my simple statement. Let me see if I can simplify. I am certified by the FAA to work on aircraft in the U.S.. All my experience is on large to medium jet aircraft of certain manufacturers. I may be certified to work on your Cessna but I assure you I am not qualified.

[@danr5105]

The qualified part is evident when you are allowed to keep your job. Why would a guy get to keep his job if he was not qualified, it does not make money for anyone.

[@stretch44875]

ahh, apprenticeship... did that many years ago for my job at GM, they still do it for trades in the plants. 4 year program, with year of college courses.

[@Ryzomadman]

City & guilds is one of certification in the UK, to become a Vehicle engineer or mechanic by another name I did my city guilds when I was 18 long time ago

[@sanchez427]

I am a Canadian (Ontario) Licensed 310-s tech, and curious as to the ASE deal. I am trying to move from Ontario to the USA to work and have found the Canadian system seems to mean nothing to ASE. I had to do 5 year apprenticeship and 3 blocks of school to get my papers. That system is broken badly, there is no regulated wage or time table, basically you work for minimum wage for 5 years or as long as your employer can get away with holding you "hostage" until you write. When I wrote the CofQ and got my license my employer was extreme;y unhappy that I wanted a normal going rate pay and I ended up unemployed soon after. Luckily back then there were jobs so the next week I had another place to work at "going rate". To write ASE tests I would have to travel almost 5 hours each way to the nearest test center and from what they have told me they do not recognize the Canadian system at all.

[@braidongreer2172]

I tried to get a job with usps as a Garageman right out of high school. They said experience wasn't necessary so I took the test and got an 80 percent but wasn't hired because a guy with more experience came and got a 75 percent.

[@godemperormeow8591]

I got 2 years in shoveling shit. I don’t know how it pertains towards being a master tech but hey, that’s the kind of experience they are looking for. Lol

[@glenngentry7730]

Can we all agree that ASE is designed to set a standard? Let’s get real every other trade has some standard of baseline knowledge. Why not be proud of it in our industry.

[@michael1991123]

ASE testing can be done without if they give you a technical exam on the spot before or after the written exam. That would be the only way to test practice. Other ways would be to create programs which repair cars for free as a way to fund the training itself and test the technician.

[@broberts878]

Nicely done congrats I don't think we have to do any tests like that for heavy duty mechanics in Canada I've been a journeyman for 6 years and so far nothing as for automotive mechanics here I have no idea

[@franciscob4497]

congrats Eric!

[@ETCG1]

+Francisco Buruca Thank you.

[@thewrenchmaster122]

I just passed my first ASE Test I have been in the field for 6 years I went to universal tech institute in Rancho ca wanted to gain experience first then get my certs feels good to take ASE Test and pass it ...Most guys who talk negative on Ase are guys who couldn’t pass them i had to verify work experience not any one can get ase certified there are strict requirements you can pass the test but if u don’t have the experience u won’t get the patch or certificate ..If you are a tech and have been doing it for years you should be able to explain that you know it on paper ASE Test want the most common cause the most likely answer that can cause something going to school weather it’s uti or any other auto school will help you pass ASE Test.you will also learn real information you won’t learn someone else’s mistakes you might find that the way you have been doing something was wrong the whole time the more you learn the more you realize how much your boss or even older techs don’t know about modern cars old grease monkey fixing just wrenching days are over it requires a new breed.r

[@PHXGlock]

I'm the Double Edged Sword guy. Yes I'm just one two day class away from my Nissan Master Certification. It will be my second Master from a car Manufacture. In the Nissan world they have a requirement called MSTR (minimum service training requirements) The Dealership has to have a certain amount of Specialists depending on how many techs and if they sell the Leaf, GTR's , Hybrids or the New Diesels. Nissan also requires an ASE Master Cert to maintain Nissan Master. Yes I got Axed by a dealership from another car manufacture soon after I became a Master. I notice that my store is reluctant to hire a Master. My Manager thinks they are too expensive once you have met the manufactures requirements.

[@ETCG1]

+PHXGlock No matter what, thanks for your input. You're appreciated here if nowhere else.

[@siriusjones6719]

Many folks think of ASE certification as an end. In reality, it is just the beginning. Canadians also have an apprenticeship programs. Snap On Tool Review covered the program in one of his videos.

[@NebukedNezzer]

I am one of those people who can do well on tests and do well working so I am not anti test. Ive met and suffered with technicians who had years of experience but were no good at all. I have worked with farm kids who had no formal testing but were very good at getting actual work done well. For me I would rely on my own personally administered performance testing.

[@jamesdoyle9220]

Great video. If you’re going to make a career in a trade, have respect for the trade and get whatever credentials you can. If you’re a welder, be a certified welder. Same for mechanics and other tradesmen. I’ve worked with mechanics who are barely literate. They are usually the ones who criticize training and certification.

[@claytonmagnet1484]

I am up in Canada. I have three trade tickets, and I also help write test questions for provincial testing. It's not a perfect system...but it works. If anyone has any questions on how it works up here, or about the tests ask away.

[@TheBatman602]

I've failed my Brakes cert in Michigan 7 times and it's frustrating cause the material is old and my shop never uses a brake lathe or cuts rotors or even replaces drum brakes often. I can do a pretty comprehensive brake job yet the study guides don't feel like they apply to the Michigan tests. Most people say "Just pass and don't worry about the content" but I wanna know this shit and not half ass it. Awesome vid

[@RenePerez-pu4cj]

What study guides did you use and how long ago was it since your last attempt?

[@Boot_185]

Some dealers around here (gm) send all the techs to "training" every 6 months. Sometimes it can be very annoying to have to do that.

[@MichaelMcNeilg]

I'm pretty sure I was fired before I was even hired at a couple shops around town after they saw my A8 & A6 certs and especially after I said I test for bad parts and don't change parts.

[@LawnWrangler323]

Can I just say I was an independent mobile mechanic for 18 months and take the ASE test?

[@carpetcleaningprofessor]

I have some certifications that mean nothing I actually don't feel comfortable and will not work on for example stability control systems and vehicle collision avoidance because it's tied in so many other systems but I managed to pass the test great video

[@JP_Stone]

Why not. Same as most other Professional trades. You start out as an apprentice and become a journeymen. Still allows anyone, regardless of schooling or education or whatever, to at least have a shot at getting into the industry but makes sure that they do get proper training from someone who has proven proficiency. What if a steel worker went to an online "tech school" and then was hired on directly as a journeyman and they put him up hanging iron the first day. That would probably be bad but in auto industry that is common. Anyone who can talk their way through an interview can get hired at a shop. May be harder at a dealership but at chain shops or independent shops you can have guys with zero practical experience starting out as repair techs. At least at a dealership your gonna probably start out as a Lube Tech or Express Tech and work your way up and get training from the more experienced guys. Anyway I do think ASE should be more like a labor union and less of a "certifying body". Knowing the answers to questions and doing the job are two different things.

[@DENicholsAutoBravado]

Wow. It's been five years ago for you already? That was quick. I paid for my first three tests. I really have to schedule soon! Yeah. I totally get what you mean by the useless questions mixed in. Some of the material is a good launching point to study or plan on getting experience.

[@DENicholsAutoBravado]

I used ASE study guides to find articles to read up, study your videos, and test and tear apart my own cars to learn until I got hired after a couple years into doing this. In the end, lots of experience was just plain necessary, but I still find reading up and KZbin helpful for tips, tricks, and learning new things.

[@FerFel5]

Actually is my birthday, thanks Eric 😁

[@ericthecarguy]

+FerFel5 Happy birthday!

[@nismo2070]

11 ASE Certifications including Advanced performance. All expired. Still the highest paid tech in the shop.

[@paulkadamus2944]

Missing your videos

[@dvddmc]

Congrats on Passing Eric. Is that a V8 torn apart I see behind you?? Awesome!

[@ETCG1]

+dvddmc Yes, it's the one from my Ford. I just finished shooting the video of the tear down. When that will be out. Hard to say. I have others in the cue right now and editing takes time.

[@MrFishface5]

I have been a shop owner/technician for over 30yrs I got ASE many years ago and didnt feel I needed to get recertified like you said the testing doesnt make you able to do the work.

[@GalaxieMarauder]

they will gladly take your money though...and if you pass ReCerts...they will send you another patch. Hahaha! Bullshit.

[@georgiojansen7758]

passed many tests in my life and it's still horrific .giedendag

[@SidneyChism]

As a one man shop, staying certified is up to you and your customers. Can you elaborate more on why a dealership would want to let go of a master technician? Do they offer you incentives to learn more and become certified only to let you go because you are making too much once certified?

[@PHXGlock]

+Sidney Chism I can't speak for ETCG or My self but some of the Dealership Master Techs are Paper Champions, at the end of the day hanging more parts trumps curing Cancer in the Franchise owned dealership world. The Dealership Masters usually have a higher rate of pay per flat rate hour and I will admit I've seen many act a bit entitled. Most dealers are required to have a certain level of certifications among the techs. Once they have met the requirements then they just want productivity. Keep in mind many dealers these days are owned by corporations with MBA bean counters who are calculating a lot of Data. A one man shop that is expanding is usually owned by a Decent Tech who has to wear many hats including the bean counting . Just My Opinion YMMV. By the way ASE Master is worthless to some car lines. Mercedes Benz does not recognize them at all only MBZ Training will do.

[@ETCG1]

+PHXGlock Well put and very accurate in my experience.

[@joejoesr1]

@ETCG1, What do you think of the L1 test?