eU | Samsora (Peach) vs. MVG | Salem (Hero) - Ultimate Grand Finals - TNS 8

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[@ThePenaboy2]

Samsora: I used the rng to destroy the rng

[@sharsasuke01]

Salem: "...Impossible."

[@nggaish]

Das good shit

[@genesisfgc]

Ban both of them

[@agentboi4794]

Salem: Where is the RNG stones Samsora: Gone,Reduced to atoms

[@rekt_yer_nan_darding_5788]

Emerald SSBU and game and watch

[@searingvortex4082]

The bob-omb was the icing on the cake for this set

[@mitchellwhite2798]

When was it?

[@SlayedOutBack]

Mitchell White 14:19

[@Rechallenge]

literally and figuratively

[@Knuckles_361]

When I saw the bomb and it hit I was liek daaamam

[@oofnoob6831]

That bob-omb KO was hilarious tho.

[@alansun3274]

the bomb spiked. I didn't know it could do that

[@adamkahmann2937]

It was actually poetic that Peach took out Hero, the RNG King with a bomb :P

[@meeachael627]

time stamp?

[@oofnoob6831]

meeachael 14:21

[@WampaStompa1996]

14:22

[@TheMike0088]

As a Hero main, watching Salem play Hero is a win-win situation: If he wins, I can be happy that Hero won. If he loses, I can be happy that Salem lost.

[@e-duh3529]

Optimal main choice

[@TheKrake36]

What is the reason behind so many people disliking Salem? I only see him on MVG and he seems like a pretty decent guy there.

[@e-duh3529]

@@TheKrake36 beef

[@MrMhyun]

@@TheKrake36 he has the entire melee community as his enemy because of his tweets

[@TheKrake36]

@@MrMhyun Ah okay, that explains it. People seem to often times really be different on twitter lol

[@Xerion1]

Peach: "Oh we using RNG? Say no more."

[@reymundoalvarez7743]

Davey Grimes Forgive my ignorance but what is RNG?

[@Xerion1]

@@reymundoalvarez7743 Random Number Generator. Imagine it like Game and Watch's "judgement". The system "randomly" generates a number, and each number is assigned an effect. Each time Peach presses down B, a number is generated by the system. If she gets the right number (which could be assigned any range depending on the odds they want to give the character) then she gets stitch or the bob-omb. Probability through RNG works like this: Game and Watch's Judgement (side b with hammer) is assigned 9 numbers, from 1-9. Each number is assigned a different effect. The odds of getting any number is 1/9, which is about 11%. So the probability of getting the most beneficial number, a 9 which usually results in a stock, is about 11%. Peach's RNG is even wider (meaning there's more numbers assigned with more effects), and the odds of getting the number assigned to the bob-omb is even lower as a result.

[@ninjagaro.]

Salem: opens menu Samsora: Shields

[@IsaxAlpha]

Best ending ever, everybody laughing. Amazing never thought a lost match from a grand final tournament would cause a smile to everyone including the loser.

[@aIkaIi]

1:26 Audience: "Princess Peach! Princess Peach!" Hero: "Shing, Shing, Shing (3-hit jab)"

[@vendetta8449]

Lmaooo

[@moss7910]

Final stock was a taste of hero’s own medicine

[@thelordoftheweebs9501]

Satisfying end.

[@NordicVigilante]

Wow Salem is a scary ass Hero player, that's fun to watch

[@dkbroman]

The comment under this one didn't see yours

[@kachosuffer7]

uh... what's fun about running away and camping for spells?

[@dkbroman]

@@kachosuffer7 absolutely nothing I think he was approaching a lot though maybe I wasn't paying attention to Salem so much. But I believe you because Salem only plays the annoying campy characters

[@BoeyJones]

As good as his hero is I can’t help but feel like he’s holding himself back by still maining this character

[@OnizenArt]

@@kachosuffer7 That is how you play Hero. If you think you can play that character without heavily relying on spells, you're sorely mistaken. You will get bodied I promise.

[@jackdias9263]

Killer Queen has already touched Salem’s last stock

[@razielslaughter3332]

Jack Dias Best comment

[@afromarco005]

is that a jojo reference?

[@Daemon4]

is that a jojo reference?

[@ZER0O9]

Nah peach chucked sheer heart attack at him at the end.

[@ohiowrslr14]

@@ZER0O9 "Look over here"

[@SlimReaper04]

And no one is gonna mention how scary Salem’s Hero is? Jesus the first game lmao

[@lapulga3180]

Exactly what I thought, a true inspiration for hero mains

[@patrickhoppe4062]

SlimReaper literally the comment under you which was posted earlier lmfao

[@SlimReaper04]

Patrick Hoppe yeah lmao. I didn’t know until after I posted my own comment

[@B_Ill_E]

i see the first match as samsora not understanding the matchup and the rest as a download complete.

[@thelordoftheweebs9501]

I don't see what's scary. But definitely the best hero I've seen. Also sam just doesn't know what to do. His download process is slower compared to leo.

[@gregoriuskrisna12]

The ending was the most anime-like finisher ever

[@maps2853]

"you live for the rng you die for the rng"

[@Support_Systemic]

LMAO Hero got a taste of his own medicine at the end. What a great match between these two!!!

[@Tselel]

This match is honestly a clinic on good spacing and perfectly using aerial drift from both sides.

[@karniancommunitygaming]

DAYUM! Salem's hero is on point and scary the first game. I love Samsora's adaptation!. GG to both players!

[@ChaoticSonic400]

Yo that ending was mad disrespectful... RNG gods all voted death on RNG the character.

[@pendalink]

most satisfying end to a tournament ever

[@Gameorama91]

"Same verse, second as the first" wanna give that another try my guy? Lol

[@ElMedkit]

“I used RNG to destroy the RNG”

[@acon9312]

Years of research couldn’t prepare him for this moment

[@DevelonLP]

Because its ultimate there is no years of research..

[@blossom2lit23]

Super fun set. Salem’s hero is nutty.

[@caoinhnamkhanh2795]

*Wack*y Imirite?

[@Xerion1]

Samsora dodging Magic Burst in game 2 was extremely impressive. After game 1 you could see how mad Samsora got. He played really aggressive after that game.

[@slimjimbo1461]

Samsora is the true prophet of RNGesus

[@LazyStarrfish]

Awesome to see Hero make a Grand Finals!

[@NVS_Snake]

Samsora is lucky Salem didn’t pick Mr.Game&Watch 😂

[@seanthadon2321]

Why is sam playing his secondary peach and not his main game and watch?

[@Geek56695]

I thought his secondary was Palu?

[@yinn6258]

I got u on that one

[@catandgrouper4760]

Seanthadon23 what in gods name are you talking about? This a joke im not getting?

[@Geek56695]

@@catandgrouper4760 Have you watched samsora twitch videos sent on youtube.

[@jalynchan3946]

🤣🤣At least I get the reference

[@mastamelon]

14:18 What an extremely coincidental way for a Grand Final to end off! Samsora be impressing Sakurai himself for the god-pull bomb-omb into 💥KO💥! Amazing set! 🤩

[@futurfry]

Legendary set. Love both these players so much

[@YounesLayachi]

Samsora adapted quickly and avoided grounded play, Salem didn't have a chance to change tactics

[@yehoshuas.6917]

Bruh that Monarchy vs Hero bit was great. Good job commentators :D

[@HueNguyen-qk8ji]

Pause at 14:23 Peach be waking up and being like “what just happened?”

[@FabioGbetanou]

2:17 in and i am losing my mind

[@Sco6014]

I gasped out loud at 2:25

[@PokeUrban]

The overkill bob omb at the end is just priceless Salem's Hero is hella scary but Samsora is out for BLOOD man

[@brau_bj2060]

5:05 WOW, Samsora´s air skills are always impressive! that recovery omg

[@Doth_]

Such a fun set. Samsoras flowchart is so fast. Unreal

[@eligamerman]

Really nice set from 2 amazing players!

[@andrewmurphy8234]

There is never a boring game with hero players they're fairly interesting to watch.

[@TheOneAndOnlyJell_O]

14:19 *Sheer Heart Attack*

[@crypticbeast1013]

Yo, Angelo

[@timtaylor1999]

At 9:54 Salem knew it was over but that tech in 9:00 was incredible.

[@despa2336]

Imagine being the most rng dependent character, and you lose to good rng

[@angelofranco9748]

In before the HD hits

[@moocowp4970]

Man Salem's Hero is crazy fun to watch, no idea how he reads that menu so fast. I do feel he goes a bit hard on his MP at the wrong times though sometimes, there was one time there where he actually ran out and got punished trying to throw out a Side B which failed due to low mana. Also i don't understand why he doesn't charge his neutral B when coming back from a death; there were a few times where Samsora was on like 50% and Salem respawned and immediately looked at menu, which isn't a bad option but 50% is kill percent for Kafrizz so i feel like charging that while invincible and throwing it out would have potentially evened up the stocks much easier. All that being said, i'm no where near at Salem's level, i'm sure he has his reasoning for not using Kafrizz at all.

[@LarryNoir]

My guess is that Kafrizz comes out fairly slow and it's a big MP sink so he just decides to go without it. A player like Samsora will most likely be able to avoid it unless you pull it out during a combo.

[@YvngDef]

Samsora's footsies in this set is IMMACULATE

[@RaizaS94]

unless that is just the angle of the player cam: salem's eyes are wide open lol

[@JayKSilver]

That tournament stock was the most beautiful justice.

[@BadPredictions]

This whole game was heart stopping

[@tonymartin8738]

I love all smash brothers games. But nothing compares to Melee as far as a viewing experience

[@nateridgley9805]

Man, i cant think of a better ending for this set

[@trab33zzy]

14:23 it look like peach went for a and-1 3 pointer and made the shot while landind on her butt lol

[@TyphonCH]

Any reason why Salem never charges up neutral B...? I understand the full charge uses a ton of mp and can be shielded fairly easily but even used as a mix up or charging it as a pressure tool is better than not using it at all

[@CodecMoment]

Was cheering for Salem the rest of the set after that phenomenal first game. I hope he doesn't drop this character! It's so fun to watch

[@SilencedSounds123]

Yes hero has more rng then any other fighter in the game, but it does take skill to do well with this character. It’s not just rolling the dice if you are going to win or not. The fighter has so much more then just complete random luck.

[@osutinheizu8250]

1:43 how did Hero slide off the edge and go straight down like that? I saw the little star that signifies a quick fall, but I didn’t see him jump

[@KaxMerg]

Salem just ran off of the stage and fast-fell as soon as he went off. every character in the game can run off of the ledge, but you might have some trouble if you usually walk with your characters. try it out in training mode to get some practice

[@ryplecuk767]

As a hero Main, Salem's lose wasn't a dissapointment, in fact, it was freakin' awesome that 3 stock and how he played soo good against Samsora's Peach.

[@darko-hexar]

Silly question, but who's the commentator that sounds like Etho?

[@ShallBePurified]

There's something poetic about the RNG bomb pull killing the RNG character people complained about was unfair at release.

[@Aflay1]

Salem looking good the first set. He should have stayed patient. Going in aggressive is what Peach wants you to do. What made him lose his composure?

[@eagerinspirit]

He got cocky probably. I think he got momentum and went it too hard for it.

[@emomc9557]

Adaptation is a big part of fighting games..you can get bodied in the first round and then totally change the tide in the run-back

[@kevinguimond7711]

Great ending

[@halbarroyzanty2931]

We are born from the rng, made men by the rng and undone from the rng. Fear the old rng

[@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu]

A Bob-bomb to finish against mr rng. Too perfect. But for real tho I wanted salem to win.

[@Panda__Man]

No Samsora is the best>

[@kachosuffer7]

imagine using rng to win. you didnt win, the game won for you.

[@renren5992]

@@kachosuffer7 a win is a win

[@TheBomberman122]

@@kachosuffer7 that doesnt make any sense. What part is wrong? I didnt see a single hocus pocus, if you're talking about the menu you make it sound like a random spell gets chosen each time it comes up

[@kachosuffer7]

@@TheBomberman122 a random spell list you can choose from. in which, there are a lot of BS in that menu.

[@ElasticLove12]

That ending was poetic

[@Hoozier_Dadeee]

Samsora’s adapting game is incredible.

[@moniyawn]

Samsora! Samsora! omg that end was amazing and hilarious!

[@pikashoe3809]

Dang this was a tourney that had a bunch of pros at it?! I was planning on signing up for it but decided not to

[@tempurr]

no one talking about salem tweekin out in the player cam

[@truepotatoking7486]

Idk if I’m late But Is Salem still the most hated smasher?

[@jannicwestrich1290]

that ending was beautiful 😍

[@theyu-gi-schmuck6499]

Sam got the bob-omb revenge for vinny let’s go

[@aminekhoury1470]

Man being hit by a bomb in the blast zone is so violent

[@timekeeperssb]

someone show that last stock to leffen

[@DanielSVTwitch]

How do you get smashville like that??

[@sharsasuke01]

Why doesn't Salem use the charge fire spells?

[@dablaqgamer463]

My two favorites 🔥🔥🔥

[@ElDrHouse2010]

this vid is all the evidence one needs to make the claim that Hero is actually a really fucking deadly character.

[@quadri136]

Nairo's Hero vs. Salem's Hero needs to happen now.

[@Boostertz]

I'd like to see Salem use Link again

[@sustomusickillsyoutube]

Ah yes, that old adage, *"same verse, second as the first"* 😂

[@sustomusickillsyoutube]

Realtalk though I enjoyed the commentary a lot, thanks yal.

[@vuke6931]

What a delicious final hit

[@1Yooter]

It's impressive what Salem has accomplished with Hero.

[@beeenjammmins]

Samsora: Kills Hero with bob-om Everybody: omg i gotta make an RNG joke in the comments

[@joyboy6752]

Congratulations, you played yourself.

[@TheOnlyDTM]

beenjammins ok boomer

[@beeenjammmins]

@@mathunit1 eyyy u got the joke

[@duedoo7650]

That ending.. 😌

[@juanititito167]

That was an explosive ending hahaha

[@monolithsmith]

You guys are awesome

[@michaelshipp4982]

like or hate hero you can't lie that first game was clean as hell

[@JB_CY]

Inspirational

[@AdalHRivera]

Did the bomb spike Hero?

[@TheWatchmanOfTheEnd]

I can't believe I'm saying this... it actually sounds really foolish but it's true.... the way to crushing Hero is to roll more and shield less. He's slow and can't chase the roll as well as other characters and he doesn't regain MP for missing attacks.

[@bonafye]

5:06 Big Brain by Samsora!!! 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@autumnbronze7]

So good 👏🤩 loved the ending

[@OnizenArt]

Great match!

[@Kamer.Sounds]

What an explosive finish

[@0MujaKina0]

WHAT!? HERO IS NOT BANNED!?😮 Edit: Not Yet for now!

[@afromarco005]

perfect ending. GG

[@Royal.D]

He's so STRONG! INVINCIBLE!

[@LukeBerserker]

Samsora is TRULY scary this season and definitely #2 creeping up on #1. I am a 1000% convinced he uses that 1st round for ALL BAITS and then read him 3 straight rounds👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾🔥🔥🔥

[@witmilk6527]

Man Samsora really flipped the set upside down after game 1

[@retierashia]

14:22 Look at Salem’s face LMAO