EU4 Alternate History has gone TOO FAR

[@Mathmachine]

Poland existing? Yeah, that is going too far!

[@Cyanide_and_Loneliness]

- Austrian Painter

[@Ind3xPlus]

Someone needs to tell Germany!

[@death-istic9586]

I agree.

[@seyongpark4212]

I need ask first, what is poland

[@browl218]

Yellow Poland 😭

[@thevillager8339]

"Euope can't possibly get more disunited," Gods and Kings devs: Hold my beer

[@goryase3144]

I had to rewind the moment you said "polska gurom", Polska metioneeeeed!!! Polska GUUUROM!!!

[@Chewbert]

I LOVE POLAND!

[@PvlmVIsHere]

It did sound like pskagrom, but still nice lmao

[@europeanreich1521]

The waifu universalis guy is part of the mod team. This is way too funny.

[@Chewbert]

I take it back I don’t like the mod

[@evere777x]

I like how many forgotten ethnicities were included in the mod

[@Chewbert]

R E P R E S E N T A T I O N

[@gawkthimm6030]

R E A L I T Y

[@Chewbert]

Y O M A M A

[@maklethm4913]

What if there were multiple HRE’s? One in Germany, one in France, one in Spain, one in Italy etc etc

[@therealinferno161]

Game can only have 1 HRE, sadly.

[@betternmae]

​@@therealinferno161we are not talking about vanilla

[@therealinferno161]

@@betternmae Neither am I. You cannot mod in more than 1 HRE with the exact mechanics duplicated. It is hardcoded. Wanna know how I know that? Simple. I AM a modder. I literally contributed to the mod the video is about. :p

[@betternmae]

@@therealinferno161 can't you make custom "hre"s with similar code? Or the provinces just don't let you store the meta data you need to let the game know what hre they are in? (I never modded in eu4 btw but i do have a little programming experience AND I WANT THIS TO HAPPENNNN)

[@therealinferno161]

@@betternmae Closest you can get is something akin to the Lake Federation in Anbennar. The sad part of EU4 modding is that you only get what PDX gives ya, and you can't really define anything new unless they give you the ability to.

[@Thereihmapper-og2bz]

Like how Mali took his rightfull place as the richest of rich

[@TheMcgreary]

would be super cool to see a mali playthrough in this mod, just based on how it all of a sudden just shot to nr 1 great power and controlling a large portion of africa

[@derekskelton4187]

Could honestly just be the vanilla tree without the succession crisis and weak neighbors. They are stupidly strong if they don't collapse

[@therealinferno161]

​@@derekskelton4187They're getting unique content soon, and are the historical first colonizers this time around. :)

[@hazorg16]

If the modders are here, you should change the positions of the Red Horde and the Blue Horde with each other because in Turkic and Mongolic steppe traditions, Black (Kara) is North, White (Ak) is South, Blue (Gök) is East and the Red (Kızıl) is West. So the Western horde being Red and the Eastern one being Blue makes more sense. I'm making this comment at the just the beginning of the video, so if you're already aware of the aforementioned explanation and the lore of the mod explains why their positions are swapped then I'm sorry, this is the first time ever I'm seeing this mod.

[@SergeantatArms]

Hello it's the horde dev here, the colours are inverted to what you'd expect due to the fact that the Mongols viewed the world upside down to what we did. That's why Blue Horde is in the West and White Horde is in the East despite the colours representing opposite directions (in Mongol cardinal colour directions) Hope this helps! The red horde will likely have its name changed as that was added very very early on in development before I joined

[@hazorg16]

@@SergeantatArms Hey, thanks for replying. Yeah, I get that but I don't think the reverse thing really works here because Blue symbolizes sunrise and Red symbolizes sundown. I mean sure they had an upside down view of the world but still in their map West (Kızıl) would be on the right side of the map and the East (Gök) would be opposite that. So it still makes more sense to me if their positions were reversed. I'm not an expert on the subject or anything but as a Turkish history enthusiast and as a Turkish person, I just would've like the see the red one to the West and the blue one to the East. Again it all could be explained and/or get hinted in the lore. Will definitely check the mod out though, looks pretty cool.

[@derekskelton4187]

This would be really neat in Vic 3

[@АлексейТабаков-ы8в]

Could be an interesting idea to make a video about EU4 timelapse a convert that either to Victoria 2 or Victoria 3, but I don't try to force it if you don't want it, that's fine.

[@TheLazyBot]

I’d love to see you play alt history more! Can only see the same 3 dozen nations so many times

[@Mattis06]

I looked at the missions in this and navarra looked pretty cool with the whaling and the destroyed constantinople looking cool too but saddly i think this mod requires dlc that i dont have

[@GwainSagaFanChannel]

Seeing a strong Friesland and Baltics makes me happy to see normally countries dominated by Germans be strong for once

[@zaidatimash713]

I’d love if there was more focus on the religious map mode in the rest of the world especially the Middle East as there where added so many unique variants of Islam which would have been cool to see

[@therealinferno161]

Oh, there has been religious work done all over, especially breaking up Islam and adding a LOT of Christian heresies. Buddhist got broken up further, Hindu was broken up, Shinto was overhauled and made into a new religion, several pagans got broken off with more to come, etc.

[@memazov6601]

Vid idea what if Ottomans switch places in with Byzantium

[@lolasdm6959]

I think they will still beat Byzantium since their troops are overpowered in early game.

[@Stevonicus]

Two Sicilies? More like Blue Sicilies.

[@connor1734]

Not a fan of Yellow Poland. BUT That RED Ottomans!! Thats nice!!

[@mrfancygoat]

Is it me or does gods and kings look like a converted CK3 or CK2 game? I'm wondering if they did that then added flavor.

[@therealinferno161]

Nope! It was built from the ground up.

[@manooxi327]

Tlemcen to end game 😮🎊🎊

[@Notmyname1593]

Another idea for an alt history would be to convert a CK savegame.

[@spacecats2185]

oh damn you made/helped make post finem? I was giving some early suggestions when i first learned of the mod. kinda forgot bout it though

[@AnglosArentHuman]

The creators of this mod are very sexy, just like the Kingdom of Africa's mission tree 🥵

[@therealinferno161]

Africa's content designer here! Thank you. It's definitely a massive team effort between a lot of people.

[@CrackJeezus]

And you call ME crazy

[@EmporerDragon]

If you do a longform campaign of this, there's just so many new things to choose from. I'd probably wind up giving my vote to the Blue Horde, the Crusader state of Africa, or one of the Finnic or Baltic religion countries.

[@therealinferno161]

RN, the only one of those to have content is Africa (my work), Blue Horde has a generic Horde tree overhaul at least. The current countries with unique content are Sicily, Navarra, the Greek and Latin Empire minors, the Kan pretender state of Hungary, the Crusader states, Africa, Song, Yunnan, Ifat, and the Thai minors, with others coming soon, namely (publicly known): England, Mali (mod's main character), Egypt, and Balkh. And more.

[@sahilhossain8204]

Lore of EU4 Alternate History has gone TOO FAR momentum 100

[@steamarkzx5978]

can you do anbennar plz?

[@Chewbert]

Maybe I should!

[@GwainSagaFanChannel]

​@@Chewbert lets go!

[@memazov6601]

If it were release we the community agree that we want a video about it

[@Darwidx]

Is Yellow Poland is they're response for Yellow Prussia ?

[@springlink3188]

Epic Mali

[@STepanHAmbroski]

Perm putting the finger it had in Han in Lahore. Man the jokes write themselves.

[@dinobanan3211]

Did I see wrong or is Poland the Holy Roman Emperor?

[@kieranmason2404]

Any advice on how to get into modding? I have a really cool idea but don't know where to start

[@Chewbert]

EU4 modathon! Join the discord!

[@kesorangutan6170]

Hey man, While this is a good video as it's expected from you, I would've appreciated it more if you've told us more about the lore :D Like, what caused timeline to diverge that way? Also I would love to see you make an anbennar observer mode video. It won't be a popular video but I would appreciate it if you give it a go :D Also video idea: what if everyone was western tech and institutions spread super fast? Also feudalism is present all over the map, including Mesoamerica and Peru. Maybe sprinkle few native tags too? Not all of them though :D

[@therealinferno161]

Hello, contributor to the mod here! There's a LOT of individual divergences, but I can bring up some notable ones: - England wins the Second Baron's War, and later breaks out into the Hundred Years' Anarchy after the sudden death of Edward I. - Constantinople is hit by a meteor, then the Fourth Crusade, then a failure in Nicaea's Siege of Constantinople due to the Latins defeating the Bulgarians in 1205 leads to Hulagu razing the city to the ground in 1260, leaving a shattered Latin Empire and only one tiny OPM with any sort of Byzantine identity. - France fails in the Albigensian Crusade and has several other military blunders, leading to a gradual collapse of central authority until the House of Capet dies off like in OTL, leading to France becoming a decentralized elective monarchy effectively controlled by a coalition of bishops. - The Great Interregumn in the HRE leads to the Piasts becoming the most powerful house due to dynastic machinations (the assassination of Preszyml II fails). - The Battle of Jerez in Iberia ends in a Castilian and Leonese defeat, leading to status quo ante bellum for the past 2 centuries. - The Abbasid Caliph peacefully surrenders to Hulagu, meaning they still exist as an Iranzamin vassal. - Muhammad of Ghor dies in the 2nd Battle of Tarain, stopping Turco-Persian expansion into India. - The Yuan dynasty successfully invades eastern Java. - The Blue Horde under Sartaq Khan converts to Orthodox Christianity, the Red Horde emerges as a Buddhist rebellion under Toqta. Bulgaria is a state ruled by the heirs of the Khan. - Timur fails in his coup attempt: Transoxiana is ruled by his descendants as vassals of Balkh. Balkh is Western Chagatai. - The Norman Kingdom of Africa holds the Almohad Caliphate outside the region of Tunis with the aid of crusader reinforcements and local Arabs loyal to the state. They later lose everything but the city of Tunis itself to a local Arab rebellion led by the Hafsids. - The Zayyanids of Tlemcen become the major power during the Almohad collapse, the Almohads flee behind the Atlas mountains and take up a policy of intermittent raids. - Djerba becomes a major piracy hub, allowing many Ibadi migrants into Mzab, hence them conquering the other local tribes. - Rum survives into 1444 due to the support of Iranzamin, but several Beyliks have broken off, and the Ottomans took up Twelver Shi'ism to differeniate themselves from their former suzerains as well as to get support from the Sufi Ghazis. Milas is a pretender state that follows Sunni Islam that emerged in the chaos after Orhan II's death. - Zhu Yuanzhang loses the Battle of Poyang Lake to Chen Youliang, leading to Zhu Yuanzhang never overthrowing Han Lin'er and the Red Turban rebellion never forming one unified faction. Song is ruled by the descendants of Han Lin'er, Han by the descendants of Chen Youliang. Yunnan is a Yuan remnant state under the heirs of Balasawarmi, Prince of Liang, and Xia is another Red Turban faction founded by Ming Yuzhen. - The House of Anjou never ascends to the throne in Hungary, leading to the Oligarchs still holding power in 1444. They rebel in 1449 when the King attempts to centralize authority, leading to the civil war. - The House of Gonzaga establishes the Padana League, an anti-HRE Imperial League in Northern italy. - The House of Anjou never takes over Sicily, leading to a unified Sicily stayed intact under Norman rule until the Sicilian Vespers, where the duchies of Mainland Sicily rose up in rebellion backed by the HRE, hence them being in the Empire in 1444. - The Low Countries has formed a loose confederacy and is increasingly drifting from Imperial control, not aided by the fact that they've embraced a rather niche heresy in OTL, the Brethren of the Free Spirit. Hopefully this helps!

[@kesorangutan6170]

@@therealinferno161 Omg Thank you so much! The divergence points are super interesting. I love it! However, as a turkish shiite I find it ironic that house of Osman converts to shia. You know the founder of the house is called OSMAN. We shias obviously despise Uthman, Abubakr, and Omar. We don't give these names to our kids. Osman is the turkish version of Uthman. Having a shia dynasty named Osmanoğlu is just weird :D Maybe change the tag's name to "Aurammans" as in "house of Orhan" XDDD You can also go meiou & taxes route and create a formable called "turkish empire".

[@kesorangutan6170]

@@therealinferno161 Also I really appreciate modders. I have a great mod idea for Imperator Rome. May I ask you how do i start modding paradox games? Any resources? I mean I used to change few values here and there for eu4 but I was never too deep into it. It kinda overwhelms me.

[@therealinferno161]

@@kesorangutan6170 Understandable. I'd definitely start with the respective wiki. Try reading up there. If you have any specific questions, you can ask. Also, passing along that first comment, naturally.

[@therealinferno161]

​@@kesorangutan6170Also, btw, the consensus on this is that you're right but the starting name will probably stay the same for sake of familarity, especially since Osman himself was still nominally Sunni in this TL. There's no opposition to a later rename/formable though.

[@GDLichen]

you need to do HOI4 to fill the void of drew

[@Chewbert]

I want to! I've done like 5 HoI4 videos and none of them break 10k views, it's painful

[@GDLichen]

I suggest if you do start up again to use the following mods for maximum chaos: Road To 56, Kaiserreich, and my favorite one yet, Red Flood@@Chewbert

[@moctezooma]

we need some gameplay PLEEEEEAZE

[@sleeper1427]

Ante Bellum best althist mod imo

[@bruhmoment3478]

POLAND MENTIONED RRRAH 💪😎🇵🇱🇵🇱⛰️⛰️

[@sergeantmajor_gross]

What happened to Byzantium in this mod?

[@therealinferno161]

A meteor hit Constantinople in the 1190s, destroying a portion of the Theodosian Walls and causing unrest. Then the Fourth Crusade happens as usual in 1204. Then Nicaea fails in their siege, leading to Hulagu marching through to Constantinople and razing it to the ground, leaving it as a 1/1/1 fishing town. Just to mess with Byzaboos.

[@nildzrecastellanos]

Pardon my french but WHAT THE FUCK are those colors for Hungary, Poland and Bohemia?

[@federal_kingdom_of_illyria2023]

Way was Albania in the Greece group.But must shocking was about turkey in greece group 😆 .

[@Mattis06]

Well Albania is alot better with greeks than the slavs

[@lolasdm6959]

Average Turk discovering they are actually 88% Greek and 18% Armenian be like:

[@ChvdMaximvs]

i wonder how much dev there was in the polish and japanese regions since poland didnt expand that much but had a lot of dev and japan... well is japan htey always have a lot of dev

[@govindsundar]

Damn, an alt history mod that actually touches India? Now im intrigued. (Looking at you Ante Bellum)

[@Chewbert]

AB: India coming in 1.12 I'm sure of it

[@parmelion9771]

What is an "India"?

[@govindsundar]

@@parmelion9771 think it’s an island east of Africa.

[@europeanreich1521]

@@parmelion9771 You heard it here first. Next AB update entirely removes India

[@SchimmeIpfennig]

Why is Poland yellow. Why.

[@czyz5713]

Poland mountain!!!

[@austinharris5346]

Blessed

[@nikewilly8404]

As a pole... that alt poland made me go 🤮

[@LarsSteenbreker]

This video is very Sikh!

[@baraalayan1422]

Each Shia sect a separate religion!? Fairly accurate

[@therealinferno161]

Pretty much, yea!

[@jorgovan-ni9kz]

This mod was made by some Albanian for sure with the pristina country tag 😤🤔 Im just joking

[@redtob2119]

Your Post-Finem mod has no English or Anglo-Saxons people in it and you call the Falkland Islands “Las Malvinas” so do you have an issue with English people or something?

[@kylezdancewicz7346]

No it’s actually logical why there are not Anglo-Saxons. The isles were inhabited by celts, the people that inhabit it in the mod. Anglo Saxons didn’t start to move in and fight with the local Celts or Britons until the 5th century so it is possible that Rome not gaining power because Rome did have an influence on the region obviously that it could butterfly into the Anglo-Saxons never going there. It certainly isn’t because he hates English people. There aren’t any French people here, why aren’t you complaining about that also.

[@filsonhd7647]

Polska górą !!! haha

[@miras8596]

Polska gurom