[EU4] Brandenburg into Prussia Part 16 - Europa Universalis 4 Rights of Man Lets Play

[@Kipark52]

Yeah, I agree with you, it's really annoying that the zone of control from forts NEVER affects the AI you are at war with, but it affects your allies.

[@bluenova123]

It seems that hostile AI ignores it for some strange reason. It seems that their hunter stacks just ignore it for some strange reason.

[@nananaszbefott]

Paradox have to patch this or remove the zone thing from the game, i mean whats the point if the AI just ignores it.

[@renes1181]

no, the player can do the same thing in berlin, its because the fort in stettin was deactivated this is not ai specific if you dont believe me, just use the console and check it out

[@Kipark52]

René S He can obviously walk through his own forts. Your point is invalid. The Hostile AI shouldnt be able to walk through Berlins fort completely. Stettin being mothballed doesnt make a difference to Berlins zone of control.

[@renes1181]

i meant the player being france images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/251465395759094014/357EE2A74FB2BD05D0220D837B84AC486CEFD953/ another example: images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/251465395759000561/C44E73686F03243FE9F7226F3C0BB6DBE1E28C23/

[@tugeno]

Cussing out shit = fun. Someone "never" cussing, cussing out shit = Hilarious XD

[@Bruzska]

I feel bad for laughing but yeah, Arumba's occasional bouts of rage are great.

[@tugeno]

Yeah, same. Feels bad, can't stop :)

[@andrenogueira673]

that is really frustrating the fact that AI ignores mechanics in the game... i understand you

[@veel60]

I still don't get it, forts seem to do an excellent job at holding the enemy, at least in my Perm game (I think, though that was mostly muscovy's forts holding back my allies)

[@DoctorPaco]

I'm doing a Brandenburg playthrough as well, and fort mechanics have been pissing me off something fierce. I feel for you on this one, lol.

[@ArxGaming_14]

Same with me! It is really frustrating.

[@TundraGD]

I'm playing a game as Sweden and Denmark just walked right through my forts in Smaland and Stockholm across the straits to Finland. I still managed to keep their army distracted for long enough for English and Scottish reinforcements to arrive, but it was pretty frustrating.

[@joel6113]

The Emperor perma-military access breaks zones of control. I was really hoping this would be fixed, but it wasn't. You see, when Forts were first a thing, people got mad about the winding paths their allies would take to get around forts. Paradox fixed that by allowing their armies to take the normal/fastest path as long as any path to that province exists. The problem is that if you are in the HRE and the emperor is in the war, everyone has military access everywhere. So there is almost ALWAYS a path around your forts, which means everyone can just go around. Because it is possible for them to go around, they don't actually NEED to go around though - they can just ignore the fort. Your forts basically don't have a Zone of Control if you are in the middle of the HRE and the emperor is in the war. EDIT: Should have mentioned: This pathfinding cheat is only for the AI. You still need to go around.

[@ArxGaming_14]

+joel6113 Ahhhh, that makes sense with what I have seen/experienced. Great post. Thanks!

[@TundraGD]

joel6113 That still doesn't explain how the Danish troops in my game casually strolled through the level 3 fort at Stockholm like it didn't exist.

[@xXDzepniXx]

I rate your rage quit 9/11, needs more Berlin parties.

[@Bl00drav3nz]

That's a valid rage quit imo.

[@isaachaynes3722]

I know that he was genuinely upset, and I'm sorry for this, but that ending had me dying. XD

[@Bruzska]

Arumba in case you've been reading these comments, please ignore the people telling you to restart. It's far more entertaining to watch you struggle and manoeuvre than it is to watch you steamroll. You've already done plenty of series' where you just kick ass. I want to see you turn this around :) edit: Just saw the end of this video, completely understandable rage there. The fort system is a nice idea that just isn't working as intended yet. Please keep this series going if you can mate.

[@kaiserorc7694]

His better series always are the ones where he has his back to the wall if you ask me!

[@johnofgaunt1915]

Tunisian thievery was sooo good because of that. The phase of struggle in the beginning makes it one of my favorite series.

[@DrewBoivie]

I'll go ahead and speak for the other side of the coin. I far prefer watching Arumba destroy the AI. This is the guy that taught me most of what I know about this game. I like to see him succeed because it teaches me how I can improve my own gameplay. IF Arumba is going to struggle, I'd also prefer it to be because he's attempting something particularly difficult and not because of errors.

[@DaeLh]

I really enjoy watching Arumba play because he's very... "not acting for his crowd". But I have to say, I only watch the series that I know he wont steamroll in from day 1. Anyone can start as France and kick ass, but not everyone can manage to conquer all of Germany with Nagaur or Theodore.

[@VexingRaven]

I think you learn more from watching somebody recover from a misstep (or getting screwed by a bug) than you do from watching somebody steamroll AI, at least IMO.

[@RhombonianKnight]

The problem is that fort ZoC is a set of arcane rules that have a bunch of apparent exceptions that the AI instinctively knows but the player cannot.

[@mackmasters325]

Ending killed me. Never seen Arumba like that. Zone of control has unlimited cancer potential.

[@Maric18]

zone of control should be easy to implement. every fort flags every province around them as "in zone of control" if a troop is on a flagged province with an enemy fort next to it, they can only move onto any of the enemy forts or come back from where they came.

[@KiwieeiwiK]

I don't think I've ever heard you swear before, not that I care just didn't expect it haha

[@Bayonet1809]

His DOTA matches when he was just starting on medication were full of swearing.

[@cacksm0ker]

Arumba, you are not allowed to play this poorly! Da9l formed Prussia and did WC in one video! DDRJake formed Prussia just by looking at his computer! You are not allowed to experiment, have fun, and play with the mechanics! You are only allowed to play safe, perfect, boring games!

[@dragex6582]

Did they do those things in this patch? This patch is jacked up, man...

[@GhostJohnson]

just as i was going to sleep thanks arumba

[@Jorduan100]

I experienced this very same thing today, Ottomans walked through my fort in Koceli, straight across the straight to Constantinople - which also had ships stationed there; I can't enjoy this game until these kind of issues are fixed.

[@carljohanrydberg357]

I wonder how the Fort logic is implemented. Perhaps there is just one slot/province for fort ZoC which could explain some of the weirdness.

[@2lab557]

I think ZoC is checked when the move is ordered but when the AI sets an army to chase another army (which that player can't do) it fails to check ZoC. This would explain why little armies derping about obey ZoC while French killer stacks storm strait through your forts..

[@mooncabbagere]

This patch has some real problems it would seem. Forts are impossible, Ai cheats worse than usual, unit placement in combat is backwards.... Perhaps a hiatus until atleast one patch is released?

[@morganajames93]

NaCl

[@morganajames93]

Zone of control mechanics obviously broken though.

[@andrenogueira673]

morganajames93 salt? NaCl?

[@johnosullivan1119]

Sodium Chloride.... otherwise known as salt.

[@andrenogueira673]

John Osullivan i know just why?

[@JohnsonPadder]

Calling someone salty is saying they're pissed off about something. In this case fort mechanics.

[@maskedglove]

In his next video, he proves he was justified and that the AI is a dirty cheating scoundrel. Dirty, cheating AI. Keep up the good work Arumba, love the series.

[@AgentZeb]

sorry for the rage quit on the end there.. zone control is just bugged for ai i still feel you should demand unlawful territories.. especially stuff like the palatinate who might not be able to handle rebels spawning... also castille should hate france to bits i mean look at the territory separated etc.. also recently (well not really) you do not pay attention to your allies and their positioning. they came to reinforce your fight in liege and you retreated right before they arrived -.-

[@HrPetkov]

No luck for Rumba FeelsBadMan

[@Sveinfyr]

The Sodium Chloride is strong in this one... 10:25 17:00 20:37

[@DrewBoivie]

When I play as emperor of the HRE I only demand unlawful territory if it recreates a nation. Just having someone return a province in and of itself doesn't really do anything worthwhile (IMO) and costs a great deal of relations with the nation that gets hit with the demand. The big downside is that with my method every time there is a potential DUT pop-up you have to go to the individual province and make sure that the province being released was owned by a nation that no longer exists.

[@rayaasl]

He's had and enormous luck with a weak Poland - it still doesn't own any territory in Prussia, Mazovia is free and it's getting wrecked by Muscovy. Poland could have easily blocked him from expansion and he wouldn't have been able to do anything about it because he is so weak. Instead of using this chance, he did jack shit for 40 years. A weak emperor fighting France, with no income to support an army, missed 30 years of aggressive expansion ticking down, didn't even try to get the BI - seriously? The Tunis campaign was very entertaining because he was incredibly aggressive and just driven. 16 episodes of fighting Trier's wars are definitely not. Keep the tall play in CK2.

[@dougpbcc]

He wanted to go the emperor route first. You choose to watch HIS videos so he gets to choose how HE plays. Stop yelling at your screen, your gonna burst a vessel

[@rayaasl]

The way that he's doing this one is stupid and boring and he should know that. Why do people feel like they have do shield a grown ass man from any criticism? God forbid anyone post anything negative about Saint Arumba...

[@dougpbcc]

ohh i can feel the baby rage. its warm on my face. look man, all you have to do is sit there and watch. Arumba is the content creator and you decide if you want to be the consumer. If you really wanna have everything exactly like you want it, theres a program called EU4 thats available on steam...

[@CoolidgePlays]

Good stuff arumba! I totally agree with you about ZoC bs, but I *think* that it's a problem with forts that are next to each other having competing ZoCs causing bad behavior. it's been like near on a year that this has been wrong. ZoCs and forts were a great idea, but implemented horribly.

[@iaingoldie1542]

I had similar problems in my own Brandenburg campaign. I think it is something to do with the Emperor having access everwhere

[@gaylordzapikowski9053]

Holy shit he's right, I just came from Episode 17 and he said in the the AI moved from Potsdam -- Berlin -- George Was Here.

[@yaumelepire6310]

When the games hate Arumba... man, there's a salt mine!

[@dmitrysivashchenko856]

Paradox Devs: "Works as designed! AI doesn't cheat.". This bug is more than 1 year old. Don't encourage devs, don't buy broken products.

[@KiesandNoob]

That rq though.

[@hulkhogan4203]

3 words: friendlies can attach

[@shadowsz09]

Was the zone of control not projecting cause somehow the military access from being an Emperor was screwing your stuff up? Normally when i play i only put a fort in my capital and never rely on allied zone of control, cause its never reliable, the enemy one seems to work just fucking fine.

[@THEBARTMANOPS]

Poor you, the fort system is a nice idea but its so much bullshit, i much prefer the old system where every province had to be sieged down. Carpet sieging was good fun.

[@lolomosquito]

It's Amazing: - why castillans aren't ignoring Berlin and turn around? - why the french are going to Stolp and not directly to the army? Why they are respecting the Stettin's ZoC rule if they are jumping Berlin ? I think it's not a cheat. I think there is some reason. And I respectfully think than mouvement is bad repeated at épisode 17 beginning.

[@flamingbull3438]

From what I've played I would assume they could move where you were, it was one province past the fort. They can't go any further than that, right?

[@Tezeran]

"A zone of control restricts the movement of enemy armies through the province with the fort, and provinces immediately adjacent to it. After an enemy army enters a province within the zone of control, they can only move from there to two other provinces: the province containing the fort, and the province they came from. This means that forts form a barrier against enemy armies; if placed so that there's no way around the fort(s) the enemy is forced to siege one or more forts in order to get at the rest of one's country." from: www.eu4wiki.com/Land_warfare#Zone_of_control

[@joel6113]

Once they move into the fort's Zone of Control, they can't move into ANY province except backwards or onto the fort. They need to get military access and take a long route to get there. However, to avoid awkward long pathing issues, Pdox made a change - if you can get to a province past a Zone of Control through ANY path, no matter how long, you can just walk straight there instead. So in this case, because it was possible for France to walk the long way through Bohemia, he could effectively ignore the fort in Berlin. The fort in Stettin didn't work either because it had 0 garrison or because Arumba had mil access through Poland. I'm not sure if 0 garrison forts project ZoC, and I'm not sure if he had mil access through Poland, but I would guess one of those. (Disclaimer: Forts are weird and I'm not entirely sure about the mechanics. I've played in the HRE enough that this is one I'm relatively confident on.)

[@flamingbull3438]

Thanks guys!

[@GhostJohnson]

get a second campaign going as a great power to explore their mechanics

[@Belkak021]

I do think you should restart, i love watching you struggle but you is not fair that you got destroyed because the AI cheated through ZOC

[@dwolfson486]

The most recent update destroyed my saves and hud hopefully the fix this soon

[@beithir2353]

Mr. Wolf Old saves aren't compatible with the current patch however you can roll back to the previous patch. check paradox's website for how to do so.

[@dwolfson486]

Orvain i had a saved game from the release of this dlc, but the patch broke a whole bunch of mac saves and features

[@blshouse]

If by roll hack you mean France is still a lucky nation and Brandenburg is not any more...

[@PaulGroene]

Use cannons to breach forts?

[@Bcanguru]

Party in Berlin!!!

[@TorporLive]

Play moar crusader king! with building talllsss!!

[@onespiker]

Lucky

[@TheGameMaster343]

He has Military access through Poland which they get so they can ignore just as you tried in previous episodes...... For Fuck sack pay attention.

[@Tezeran]

Calm down. Even when they have military access through Poland they shouldn't be allowed walking straight through Berlin, they can walk around the fort with military access through the empire but not straigh ignore it.

[@LogenKain]

"For Fuck sack pay attention." Oh the irony.

[@Romaoplays]

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[@Alex-el8kt]

xd

[@kurtpilsen9390]

Rage quit lol

[@peterandreaskirklossius825]

First