EU4- Know Your Income

Some basic and quick strategies for your burgeoning empire.
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[@lord6617]

"Trust me I'm not insane" ... *awkward laugh*

[@vohbovohborian28]

Trade is always better, and not even by a small margin, IF you blob out. Trade multiplies. Trade is far less affected by local autonomy. So yeah, trade is gonna be way higher.

[@lostinnepal7897]

Vohbo Vohborian Exactly, but a lot of people seem to not understand that unfortunetely

[@jensdanbolt6953]

It's the greatest income for the most powerful countries in the richest trade nodes. As a player, you often end up there in the late game as control of rich trade nodes is a great motivation and guidance for conquest goals. By sum of all income of all countries however, production is the greatest because it is so dominant among all other nations.

[@lorddashdonalddappington2653]

Still tho, increasing base production increased trade income as well as production income. Tax is pretty worthless.

[@user-il6li4jf3y]

1,000 views 100 likes 0 dislikes OCD satisfied

[@galaktoza]

Tito satisfied Titosfied

[@Shade1703]

1650 views 165 likes

[@SpamQGamers]

should have been 10 dislikes for full OCD satisfied

[@lmperiun]

"Trust me, I'm not insane!" *laughs like a maniac.*

[@therealoldnosey8689]

Dude keep up this awesome videos. I really love these. Eu4 is by far my favorite game.

[@mateuszwawrzyniak6662]

1:43 Haha I can't believe you thought that in medieval eastern England mainly trade good is silk.

[@pylonbuffering8523]

is your last name pronounced by choking and having a stroke simultaneously don't worry, i'm polish too

[@wickedAberration]

PylonBuffering O kurwa...

[@burnedolivetree]

PylonBuffering Actually, it's one of easiest ones

[@khorps4756]

wow ree zee nee ak?

[@mateuszwawrzyniak6662]

translate.google.pl/#pl/en/wawrzyniak ;)

[@mathieuvandenberghe5259]

Nice video, and thanks for keeping it relatively compact, that's a big plus ;)

[@ronnieraines7090]

How to make money step 1: be England 2: form GB 3: have colonies everywhere that is colonize able 4: own India, Indonesia, and Africa 5: spend the massive amount of money you get from this to build manufactures and production building everywhere. -I did this and I have 14 merchants, 250 income a month, 50k ducats, all level 3 advisors, manpower of 300k, and a army (if you include my colonies) of over 700 k... its insanity- got a pu over France aswell 👌

[@ronnieraines7090]

I should mention the year is 1750 as well. Going to expand into China and the Middle East soon

[@ronnieraines7090]

Yea, I meant balance.

[@kotzpenner]

Your Facebook sound spooked me again, consider disabling it while recording, otherwise I might die of a heart attack.

[@ant420]

are you anticipating a scary message from facebook

[@gekkenhuisje]

I was getting nostalgia seeing England there in the background. My first ever successful campaign was as the English. They've made a lot of changes to England since then. I need to replay them.

[@markwhitmore4547]

Such a great video!!! Thanks.

[@adamschreiber4749]

thank you for a quick explanation.

[@skykid]

Nice little video! I think the reason people might say trade can outperform production is through ideas and national focuses. The obvious example is Venice, but there's others. Meanwhile there aren't nearly as many ways to buff production outside of expansion (up or out)

[@pumpapaj8977]

"will only take five minutes" Well

[@andrewwaldschmitt4757]

Old video, but a bit on trade. If nobody is competing, trade power is worthless as a building, since wealth will go towards Europe, or into your pockets if you're collecting. Once England takes Iberia, Francia, Germania, and Scandanavia, you can demolish all trade power buildings on the British isles and see zero income loss. You can do the same pretty much everywhere you have 90% or more of the trade power. This can open slots for manufactories, production or tax chain buildings.

[@Zultra2]

"Under 5 minutes" 9 minutes later

[@TwistofDead]

the most expensive trade good is sugar which is at 5.25 for a certain time aswell as coffee is. The best overall tradegoods are silk and dyes because theyre at 4 and 5 troughout the entire game

[@Hilja1suus]

TwistofDead and ivory

[@ArchsageCanas]

England definitely fairs the best with trade. However, in a game where I played with Polotsk, it turned out to be beneficial to rely on production as the Kiev trade node had basically no income while the eastern ones were controlled by Muscovy and the North Sea as well as Constantinople are very hard to gain a good amount of trade power in. Or nations that control rather poor trade nodes in general like in central Asia or there is simply a lack of viable trade nodes such as for Ethiopia when it has no access to Alexandria due to the Mamluks/Ottomans. Also... Perm and Siberia is not west of Muscovy (at 6:40) ^^

[@frysebox1]

My first objective when starting a new game with any country is pretty much to control the nearest and best trade nodes, in order stabilize my economy. E.g as brandenburg I go for the baltic node first, then lübeck (lübeck is actually much better, but annexing all those OPM republics with trade modifiers grants a lot of AE and thus has to be done slowly in order to avoid half of Europe in a coalition against you). In this scenario I would however opt to collect in both nodes, as transfering to your main node is only really profitable once you own ~50%+ or more of the trade power in it. In 1600 my lübeck node as Prussia now gives a monthly income of 75 ducats 8). Something to note is that nodes with only one possible transfer destination does not require a merchant in order to steer. I.e if you own the entire baltic node, all the money goes into lübeck. Merchants are therefore best spent (at least early game when you have few of them) transfering from nearby nodes with multiple transfer paths, as you won't steer the money stream from them into your node without a merchant even if your trade power is good.

[@haressae5859]

the trade income bonus was there, it was 25.5%

[@kotzpenner]

Finally a party I'm not too late for.

[@verilius6026]

You deserve more subs dude

[@AgaresOaks]

Assuming you can eliminate the competition out of nodes you're collecting in, trade is pretty much universally better than production unless you're a nation which controls provinces across two major lines of trade. The major lines of trade are: Siberia + the Baltic Sea, the Silk Road, and the Carribean. (functionally speaking only Germans, Poles, and the Chinese are really in a position where this can happen and they aren't so big that talking about the income is just an academic issue) Otherwise you can generally steer trade in some way that works (you may have collect in two nodes, but it's not a huge issue if you eliminate most of the competition in the nodes though).

[@UCUCUC27]

6:35 "at the start of the game4 muscovy isnt a strong trade power but once you move west"- emphasized by panning the camera and mouse east?O_o

[@almae3]

I just collect if it's downstream and I have a good power in said node, I collect 39 ducats in late game, is it good?

[@kotzpenner]

Third and last comment from me, sorry. On trade: To collect from your home node works usually if your node is an end node, so it doesn't flow to any other node. In my current Austria game, I make more money per month if I collect in other nodes other than my home node, like Venice, because Venice is an end node while Vienna is not. I also make an assload of money collecting from nodes further up the stream to Vienna where I hold the majority of trade somehow, if I would direct it to Vienna instead, I made a net loss, because Vienna transports it further. Yeah, trade is super weird in this game, it somehow makes sense though. Also I have a really low mercantilism level, so like a big chunk of trade goes from Vienna to other nodes, like Lübeck, where I also collect. I think I would actually make a profit diverting trade to Lübeck and concentrate collecting there but I'm not sure. I think it's a good rule of thumb to collect from any node other than your home node (but please also collect at home for the bonus), if your home node isn't an end node and if you hold a lot of trade power there, along with a fleet of light ships, I don't use my navy for anything else as Austria. I don't have the DLC where you can change your home trade node though, otherwise I'd switch to Vienna ASAP.

[@kotzpenner]

Addendum: I got the trade ideas in late game for shits and giggles because religious ideas aren't worth it later on in Europe so I dropped them and also because I had a huge surplus of birds. Austria doesn't need efficient ideas when it revoked the privilegia because you can steamroll France 1 on 1 at this point so I'm just goofing around.

[@platoonmexx9278]

productivity is the strongest at around 1550 ~ 1650-1700, w/e for a Nation with a good tradenode right from the get go, trade will give you more money the whole game long, especially in the lategame there US no way trade isnt the worthiest economytype in the lategame when you manage it correctly and yeah you got kinda hyped on iron, cupper gets 4.50 value befor iron, and there are a lot of goods having much higher values in the lategame ( china and india are insanely rich at that stage)

[@cr0n0slxiii54]

One question: If I'm playing with Spain, so I have nearly 100% trade power in Sevilla (I conquered Portugal), but I also have nearly 50% trade power in Génova, would you recommend me to collect in Sevilla or redirect trade from there to Génova? Because maybe that bonus for collecting in one single node makes it better to collect only in Génova.

[@txibiam6117]

experiment with it saving/loading, try if you can get higher than 50% with protecting trade with light ships, because other nations there will get some big portion of your wealth

[@ragefacememeaholic5366]

The bonus he is talking about is 10% extra power for every merchant transferring trade.

[@Aceofsmaydes]

teach us master dark fire slide

[@cameronmcmillan5573]

Trade Value is the value of trade goods *multiplied* by goods produced, not added to

[@DeathsOnTheYAxis]

I'm not sure your advice about trade is correct. Someone please tell me if I'm wrong. First of all I don't think there is a bonus for only collecting in home node. I think that you get a -50% modifier for collecting in a node that isn't your home node. So If you have 75% in your home node and 80% in a node upstream from your home node, you should collect in the upstream node, because anything you transfer into your home node, you like 25% of immediately. If you collect in the upstream node, after the -50% malus for collecting outside of home node, you will have 66.6% power in that node (no other modifiers, math not included), so you are only losing out on 13.3% of the trade power. Even If you factor in the bonus (I think 5%) from the transferring merchant, you are still better off collecting instead of transferring. Looking at the math, it seems to me that transferring is only good if you transfer into a node with 90%+ power, or out of a node with less than 50% power.

[@Kevades]

What if you control two end nodes?

[@victorvazquez9913]

Kevade I think you should collect income at the one where you don't have your Capitol at

[@Woolfix1]

I believe, that if you control 2 nodes it's actually profitable to collect money with a merchant in the one that is not your main port (from which you collect automaticly). I am not 100% sure, though.

[@bobby8012]

You collect trade from your main trading zone automaticly

[@deluxe4953]

victor vazquez i once tried it out in a run where the english channel was my trade capital and i had something around 80% in genoa. it paid out best, as you said, if i collected in genoa. that was just one run thou, certainly no bulletproof evidence to find here.

[@Hilja1suus]

yeah in my naples campaign venice was the best node while my capital was in genoa

[@RocketHarry865]

I hear that home trade node auto collects

[@pupsratte3308]

So, let's assume I am a good EU IV player for once. Let's assume I expanded my country to the point where I can't get any more states (as opposed to territories), thus incurring a -75% modifier to production due to local autonomy in these non-state provinces. Is that still going to be better than trade income? Does it pay to build workshops & manufatories in these territories? Should I strategically select my states based on valuable trade goods then?

[@Hilja1suus]

Trade income overshadowes production if you have a decent node no matter what, if you conquer that much you should find one

[@cuauhtemocsanchez8139]

is it a good idea to boost the diplo development in goldprovinces to get more money? -->if you dont need the diplo power for something else of course

[@rossoliver5046]

Boosting diplomatic development in gold provinces provides more money, however it increases the chance of the gold mine being depleted.

[@cuauhtemocsanchez8139]

k thx. but do you recommend doing that?

[@aureliogz6168]

Cuauhtémoc Sanchez depends on the country you're playing. There's some advice on developing gold provinces on the wiki.

[@cuauhtemocsanchez8139]

thanks

[@TyrannAUT]

how fast u're growing o.O

[@spintheteammilanceg2802]

what DLC's do you use?

[@ernestojordanpena2827]

coffee and cocoa are expensive too. Cocoa can cost like 5 ducats if I remember correctly

[@sebastian5671]

yup, in my sun god run, i made the lima node extremely rich because of manufactories and cocoa, it was worth something like 50 ducats

[@NetherPrime]

Doesn''t building a manufactory also give you +1 to production in the place it is build?

[@Hilja1suus]

no

[@rurunosep]

It gives +1 goods produced. Trade value is goods produced * value of trade good. The local value of a node is the sum of the trade values of all the provinces, and the production in a province is based on the trade value in the province. So +1 goods produced means more value in the node, so more trade money, AND more production money in the province. Manufactories are strong because you can double dip like that. But if you don't have much trade power in the node, you might be paying money to make more money for your neighbors than you're making for yourself.

[@generalgeo9468]

Btw Silk, Dyes, Cocoa and Ivory are the best goods (not iron)

[@ScarletEdge]

Please do more homework before you release guides. Collecting from home node grants you not a massive bonus but mere 10%. So it's better to use merchants for nodes that transfer to home node in a chain, each will grant a 10% trade power in home node. You collect automatically from home node.

[@dancorps1388]

TwilightDream what he was referring to the trade malaise you get if you collect from other nodes, but since it a malaise it doesn't show up unless you do it. he just thought it was a boost if you do not collect outside your home node, not a malice.

[@ylh2019]

For me it seems like England have the potential to have insane production and trade income in the late game.

[@lord6617]

England? Pffft. Play in the Malaccas and watch that $$ roll in.

[@Hilja1suus]

true fact, my first ironman game proves this

[@chryzos3091]

nah man play Japan and get yourself a nice California and Malaccas

[@wickedAberration]

You were mixing up Iron and Copper. The value for copper goes up early due to brass cannons, IIRC.

[@darkfireslide]

Claude Wicked Brass gets lower in value in the late 1600s or so because of an event that raises the value of Iron to 4.50.

[@wickedAberration]

darkfireslide Ah, you're right. Copper has the same value early on, until that point, but I guess late game is more valuable. I'm also pretty sure Ivory is the most valuable trade good, followed by cocoa.

[@TotalJustinGaming]

click on the trade good in a province

[@maremaarten]

Your mic is fine and your minifridge doesn't bother me, but you might turn off Facebook, every time your pc says 'ping' I go and check my Facebook :-)

[@liamskeen2884]

Yeet

[@SPthor95]

Am I the only one who got seriously trolled in 3:54? xD

[@putrick0173]

Actually it is two ducats a year for admin development 😎

[@nojusnoah4066]

Not notification squad...

[@oldboy117]

Hopefully this is gonna be under five minutes, they said...

[@Borrelaas]

Silk in europe ^^, Love they bronze tradegood, much better then copper

[@styot]

If you are getting more money from production then trade in the late game then you are not making the most of trade.

[@darkfireslide]

styot depends where you are playing too, I would think. In Europe, certainly.

[@RobertChisholm]

Trade is always better. In my last game I was making 1100 gold a month by 1750.

[@wickedAberration]

Robert Chisholm Trade is going to be very good if you're blobbing in a single player game.

[@Woolfix1]

Which country were you playing as?

[@GimmePaypalKid]

you can get that kind of income with any of the big trading nations if you play it right; Netherlands, Venice, England, Lubeck etc

[@ethanwmonster9075]

muscovy gets super rich but has to deal with corruption large armies etc. england and spain can get so rich especially if Castile anclusses Portugal in a pu.

[@lostinnepal7897]

Portugal is by far the best nation to get huge trade income, cause you can get earlier than everyone else to the rich overseas trade nodes and the national ideas are trade and colonization focused

[@evanmedi6144]

guys should i invest Points into developing my provinces for better taxes & productivity or should i just invest it in a better technology and building and it will get better by time im playing as an islamic country of fezzan and its development is pretty shity compared to european states

[@lauriegingell5999]

Don't bother investing admin points into tax. Tax income can only significantly be increased by annexing more provinces. Its not worth wasting your points on. Production should be increased in provinces with good trade goods if you have the spare points. For instance, when you are well ahead in tech.

[@evanmedi6144]

the probleme is that i get shitty trade & rulers so Points are very valuable and usualy i get far behind Portugal & Castille in technology wich is my main concern as im trying to restore Al-Andalus and benefit these huge Modifires is there any way i can breake Portugal/Castille Alliance i think i can take Portugal with my army the probleme is their force combined especial With Aragon willing to Join them

[@galaktoza]

You cannot take Portugals army if you fell behind in military tech. You should try allying Ottomans if they rival the Mamluks like you.

[@evanmedi6144]

i did Allied Ottomans But its seems they don't help much when portugal declare war on me Luckly i got a decent Ruler Right now 6-4-4 it can help me close the gap between me and the european nations

[@SalvationSeeker197]

Evan Medi Development>Tech

[@sveinerlingbjerkestrand2458]

bellboys :)

[@danielhall6354]

4rd??

[@Aaronator-ld5jq]

You can make a ton of Money off Tariffs from your Colonies

[@moeunnithvaraman2594]

but you have to increase tariff like crazy to get it though.

[@AwoudeX]

On Russia's frozen wasteland: yeah nice, you colonize it, it gets your culture, but hardly has ANY development. While the goods produced are nice, at a 75% reduction and only 3 to 5 total development in most provinces in the ones you colonize, and a cultural penalty in the ones you conquer from e.g. uzbek, those provinces aren't going to add much at all unless you first sink in monarch points... not the best idea when there are many areas you can conquer that are much richer. The trade goods in snowy east are only interesting when you play without the dlc that makes you create states. Only then you get those nifty half ducat buffs to your economy per built factory. Long story short, you're better off grabbing the lands that have your culture, westward.

[@kriers]

it's copper, not bronze

[@cynic2201]

Trade is better

[@Gigadramon6]

Dude, log out of Facebook or just close the window when you're recording a video.

[@Forstanoob]

wtf trade is much beter than production! But goods help trade so it's good too build thouse 500duc manefactories!

[@felixd.5876]

Not true at all... For example i play austria and have very much trade power at venice, genoa and the english channel which gives me much more income then collecting only in vienna

[@shinx2873]

Felix Duzinski did you even watxch the video ?

[@felixd.5876]

gypsum555 ik so it's often not a good idea to only collect in your home node if it's not an end node

[@RestoredCarpenter]

To much rambling and indecisive comments.... Im not sure.... I think ..... something like....

[@GimmePaypalKid]

Anyone got advice for playing as Venice? keep getting crushed by Hungary after expansion in the Balkans. Have France and Poland as allies but they refuse to join my defensive war.

[@MrTree818]

first?