EU4 vs CK3 Improving your economy

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[@Podzhagitel]

CK2: “Just conquer more land, dumbass.” Stellaris: “Make more pops, dumbass.”

[@gabrielarba8173]

Jokes on you I play as a Mega Corp, so you make more pops not me lol

[@darkoris8992]

Who the hell play Ck like that!?

[@ThighErda]

@@darkoris8992 people who have had at least 1 woman be sexually attracted to them

[@lexiouse5357]

@@ThighErda holy fucking shit dude that roast had a shockwave

[@redwankhan3375]

@@ThighErda that's brutal 🤣

[@Litovoiu]

If Eu4 is Chad, Victoria 2 is Don Juan.

[@just_pleb8977]

you don't do much in victoria2 a lot his happening but you don't understand/control 90% of it

[@nnmarci4486]

@@danjuntar2481 "Y E S"

[@ice_sea5527]

@@just_pleb8977That's if you're cluelessly glossing over the economy and then you wonder why you can't build an army and there's no resources available to build your dockyards

[@Litovoiu]

@@just_pleb8977 also Imperator is Casanova comparing to Eu4 Chad

[@JustYahAverageJoe]

reject lassez-faire, embrace state capitalism

[@fishy2862]

"Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Victoria II's economy."

[@wanderinghobo4917]

"Tasteful thickness"

[@noaccount4]

"Oh my god. It even has pop wages."

[@hanselsihotang]

"haha factory subsidies goes brrrr"

[@idontlikerome2744]

And the Liberals get in power...

[@lucasmisael7507]

@@noaccount4 lol, its a little true, like your know they have, because when your tax much, they cant buy things

[@desolatortrooper7196]

Meanwhile in HOI4 : -Sir how are we gonna improve economy ? -Build toaster factories. A lot of toaster factories.

[@sotch2271]

Gotta love those toast

[@desolatortrooper7196]

@@sotch2271 Heart of Iron 4 has been secretly developed by a tech priest

[@LilGamingYes]

@@desolatortrooper7196 toast priest*

[@anto8375]

The economy/technology in hoi4 is sad if compared to hoi3.

[@TheCatVtuber]

HOI 4 The New Order mod: So anyway we added GDP and economic system based on Vic2. Have fun figuring that out. (Production unit replaces factory and only increased depends on your nation policies and GDP)

[@fiendish9474]

Victoria 2 improving economy: SUBSIDIZE AND UPGRADE THAT FACTORY BEFORE OUR INCOME COLLAPSES

[@baronbrummbar8691]

hold shift control to upgrade all factories is more like it

[@noaccount4]

Vic2 improving economy: Bruh you want some canned beans?

[@Tytoalba777]

@@noaccount4 "Oh you want to know how to run a good economy? Let me show you! First you take a rundown factory, fill it with shadow demons and then add some text like 'me and the boys working overtime making some BEANS'"

[@noaccount4]

@@Tytoalba777 Trade deal: I get Zhejiang province so my luxury clothes factories have silk You get: 40,000,000 dead in Taiping Heavenly Rebellion I get: the entirety of the Congo as a source of beans and an unprotected export market You get: I put the beans in cans I get: the island of sicily and I turn it into the world's largest artillery foundry You get: endless wars with Italy

[@alexgarza12]

"Okay, my country's economy is finally online, i just hope there is no shortage of materials. OH NO, THE LIBERALS WON THE ELECTIONS, MY FACTORIES ARE GOING BANKRUPT. MY ECONOMY NOOOOOOO DAMN YOU LIBERAAAAAALLSS" -average Victoria 2 player

[@ethanbrown4656]

How to improve economy in EU4: *trade, development, conquer land, lower maintenance* How to improve economy in CK3: *create a new faith with Communion tenet and yourself as the temporal leader*

[@Pascal_Mueller]

This is the way

[@sosukelele]

Don't forget to make as many things as possible illegal and to spec into the eco trees or to found cities and upgrade their conditions

[@MrSilver497]

*taking notes down since I recently started playing CK3 and have no idea what i'm doing sometimes*

[@sk00k]

I'm starting to think Henry IIX was on to something...

[@bandtown8587]

@@sk00k I'm sorry but Roman Numerals don't work like that. It's Henry VIII rather than IIX just like its III not IIV

[@samuellove9619]

To some degree this makes sense, eu4 takes place at the end of the feudal model and the reliance of agricultural economics, shifting instead to the mercantilist approach. CK takes place while feudalism is in full swing.

[@thestoryteller2514]

Doesnt make it less shitty

[@castor3020]

@@thestoryteller2514 "oh no the economic side of my feudalism roleplaying game is too feudalist!" Perhaps you should play something else then.

[@DutchGabbers]

Still majority of income even back in the day came from trade tarrifs and personal assets of the royal in question and what it produces.. Similiar as all the different taxes for different classes and how they are distributed from donation to the church, building and maintaining infrastructure and garrisons and standing armies and administration. Just constructing farmlands and a barrack just doesnt cut it for me..

[@torum6448]

@@castor3020 C'mon, don't just give them a pass, they really slacked off with CK3, on pretty much everything that doesn't mean roleplaying. Barely classifies as a Grand Strategy game at this point. But yeah, they'll probably sell a crap ton of DLCs to make up for it, overpriced as hell too.

[@anto8375]

No, because you should be able to improve your lands in a lot of ways but saddly it's not the case.

[@mlkvr]

Meanwhile in HOI3; -how much should I pay for that oil, sir? +3.37 oil is 4.45 Money each day for 365 days I've never knew if it was a good deal or not.

[@gustavusadolphus4344]

Oh hoi3...

[@totalwar1793]

@@gustavusadolphus4344 Quite possibly the only thing I've ever automated in a Paradox Game is trade in HoI 3

[@Gustav_Kuriga]

auto-trade to max resources in HoI3, never worry about resources again

[@whynotsa6866]

@@totalwar1793 what about vic 2?

[@mlkvr]

@@Gustav_Kuriga wait, are you saying I've suffered for nothing?

[@newbanas]

I know people love to pretend to forget about it, but in the early years of EU4 you can't actually adjust taxes, can't mothball your forts, have no estates, and all provinces have fixed taxes for the rest of the game. Give it some time, CK3 will have it's own simple economy management later. At least that game excel at what that game best to do, roleplaying.

[@somenerd1182]

I, honestly, don't think it will, and I don't think it needs to. CK3 is about managing your dynasty, not your economy. EU4 is about managing your state, and with that comes your economy. CK3 and EU4 are just two entirely different games.

[@eoozy2617]

So basically CK3 has the same level of economy as EU4 in 2013 lmfao Thanks for clarifying that. Also RPing in CK3 doesnt work yet cause the game doesnt have much flavour.

[@jirkakarel1]

+ DLC economy and trade 20€

[@emillundqvist8126]

in early eu4 forts didn't exist bro. Every province acted like a "mini-fort"(%-based but no zone of control) and didn't have maintenance.

[@MrZylak]

@@somenerd1182 CK3 is also about managing your realm. Economy is important part of every realm. They should add trade routes like in CK2.

[@brandonstahl5150]

EU4: Click a series of buttons to spend a couple arbitrary currency CK3: Click one button to spend arbitrary currency

[@dukedase7]

Not really. EU4 is more like: Debase your tax so developing production is cheaper. Develop your lands with good trade goods, upgrade trade nodes and buildings, and expand into trade nodes that bring you more money.

[@sosukelele]

@@dukedase7 trade nodes? I believe you mean coastal provinces, mines and farmland. Though, upgrading buildings sounds familiar. Also, why debase your tax when you can just demand more money from your subjects???

[@WasLilChrisnowbigish]

I would say Gold is not a arbitrary currency. Since you know Gold is real, and it really was used to purchase things, like you know a currency. Now spending prestige to build something for tribals would be arbitrary.

[@Narvaljodchik]

@@sosukelele Tax is useful early-mid game in EU4. The big bucks come from trade and production (in that order), which is why slashing your tax in order to prioritize diplomatic (trade/production) and manpower development is beneficial in the long term.

[@bigupsowainglyndwr1463]

This Pretty much sums it up

[@JonWilde2105]

Victoria 2 economy management reminds me of the crash scene from Flight. You're in an uncontrolled dive, you don't know why. You dump the flaps. It buys you a little time. Then you try to revert to manual control. Oh no - we're diving again. Oh Lord I see nothing but houses. Crash. No survivors.

[@NaderinZim]

Victoria 2 main objective: Avoid laissez faire, at all costs.

[@ihaveleftthetesco7628]

@@NaderinZim and, tempting as it is to finally get rid of AI, also avoid Planned eco. The extra money that would go to capitalists gets straight up deleted.

[@Arquinas]

>be monarchy >overturn election results every time to prevent collapse of economy >somehow pops dont care

[@erwannthietart3602]

@@Arquinas xept when in America, in which case go full whatever and sh** just bring in more MIGRANTS, they feed the whole economy

[@thebenevolentsun6575]

I think playing these games gives you alot more respect for people who actually do them without little tooltips telling them exactly what each decision will do.

[@Mr.0s]

How to play Ck3: 1. Open the game and find 1 province minor inside the empire. 2. make a character whose soul purpose is just to farm and play tall. 3. Have a good counselor with 20 economy and let him farm you a deployment. 4. chill and let the game run next 10 years and all of sudden your trash 4 deployment city is now 24 deployment mega chad, 1 minor kingdom itself. 5. buy mercenaries with your unlimited money, and win every war because of it.

[@nolemon_]

6. fall asleep because it gets boring

[@Y4roslavV]

7. Go outside and breathe some fresh air

[@gas132]

ya know, as someone studying medieval history, that is actually pretty close to what happened irl

[@samwisegamgee8318]

Yeah anyone that plays CK3 like that is not even playing the game for its main purpose. That’s literally the lamest most soy way to play. I feel bad for anyone that plays like that.

[@the_godfather9974]

@Samwise Gamgee Not if you roleplay this playstyle So make your ruler greedy and ambitious maybe a bit shady even and voila; you have yourselves a Lannister Have fun

[@LostSoul340]

Still love CK3 though although I do wish it had actual trade deals and such but still a great game.

[@nbewarwe]

I don't think medieval feudal realms made trade deals like that. Trade was largely done by independent merchants who were taxed.

[@danyakrov167]

@@nbewarwe so why you can't change taxes in ck3? Its just lazy developed mechanic, which need to be upgraded

[@yngjules4230]

@@danyakrov167 eu4 and especially vic2 are already great with the economy system, ck3 is more focused on roleplaying and management of your royal family. if you want a brand new economically focused grand strategy game you will have to wait for vic3.

[@seanm241]

@@danyakrov167 go complain on the forums maybe they’ll hear you

[@danyakrov167]

@@yngjules4230 but medieval economy is different from victorian. So victoria 3 won't replace economy dlc for ck3

[@italianspaghett4359]

Economy of early medieval states was largely agrarian tho

[@ssuccop]

solar powered vegetables.

[@SetuwoKecik]

Yeah that's why regions like Egypt and France were rich af back then.

[@italianspaghett4359]

@@SetuwoKecik France still is

[@guillaumeroudiere5749]

@@italianspaghett4359 But France was much more powerful and populous, like a 1/3 of Europe population for most of the Middle age and the Renaissance. Now it has less pop than UK.

[@alexanderi1183]

@@SetuwoKecik maybe France/Gaul being weak in the Iron age was good balancing from the dev.

[@shiftystheory7862]

Always gotta remember the games are aimed at different things. CK3 is supposed to be about characters, their dynasties, and roleplay not really about economics. Though I am guessing with whatever DLC they do to bring back republics will also do trade. HOI4 is military and strategy build-up and then a few compact years of combat down to a micro scale with two to three big factions beating at each other. EU4 has a focus at the country level like HOI4 but, because it is over such a long period economics plays a bigger role and is a part of a country/empire building game. Anyone who wants a game that combines EU4 and CK3, PDX tried that it was called Imperator and it didn't work very well.

[@frozenfeet4534]

true except imperator works incredibly well, its been a fantastic game since 2.0, its launch was just too rocky to get it a fanbase

[@birb4121]

And vicky2 is a economics and rebell hunting simulator

[@ousamadearu5960]

Imperator didn't have enough flavor for players to enjoy at the very start of the game and if they made it interesting enough that a DLC would be favorable enough to make it feel like its a newer game.

[@MEGARAYMANable]

@@frozenfeet4534 It doesnt matter how the game is now, it mattered how it launched. And the fact that Paradox is officially abandoning it after 2 years, shows.

[@frozenfeet4534]

@@MEGARAYMANable lol i think the game is fun and worth grabbing on sale its really not that big of a deal

[@jonb914]

CK3 is basically EU4 where the nation building mechanics are replaced with interpersonal drama.

[@hussienbintalal91]

To be fair, the medieval era had probably alot simpler economy then the renaissance and colonial era , so it makes sense for it to have simpler economy

[@senseishu937]

But they also had trade. The famous silk road and trans Saharan trade come to mind, as well as the Hanseatic league.

[@muscle2714]

It's literally the same

[@KouNagai]

Yes but not THAT simple

[@dragonstory15]

they might make trade a thing when they add republics i guess.

[@sotch2271]

Not that simple and there was colonies during antiquity

[@mingming919]

Honestly the difference is just what your preferred amount of button clicking is 🤷

[@tobiasL1991]

Here we have a winner, so many new "features" in EU4 boil down to just more clicking, there's rarely a deeper nuance or different options going on, it's almost alway just click this obviously better than anything else button.

[@sultaneteofrome9419]

From shadows: *Amateurs...* Ck3 and Eu4: What did you say? Victoria 2: *I said amateurs*

[@Bigzthegreat]

victoria 2 is simple all you do is build random factories they don't even have to be rgo efficent

[@user-jh1zy4ls3c]

Victoria 2: 😊

[@sirrichard4993]

Chad character development and family manager in CK3 vs oh no.......... It's 1 0 1, my nation will die :( in EU4

[@bennetla10]

Yeah, I love it when Im mana starved for 20 years.

[@gabrielarba8173]

@@bennetla10 man once I had a 0/0/0 but he got to be a 6/6/6/6 general, literally born to fight not to rule lol

[@poldi2233]

@@bennetla10 prestige is just a number

[@Difdauf]

There is a special button for this kind of heirs.

[@groerhahn225]

Me when the product of 5 generations of selective breeding and eugenics turns out to be a melancholic, dwarven bumbling squire:

[@rolandwenzel1782]

Pov: you play vic2 still to day and your are bored about this meme

[@Gokaes]

just played Vicky two days ago so yes

[@nicholasbaca8065]

You say that like vic2 is more than build factory for that that's in demand and things you're gonna want for war.

[@Gokaes]

@@nicholasbaca8065 it is if you play the game like that you get bored in a moment if you on the other hand roleplay or stuff like that you get to enjoy the game more

[@nicholasbaca8065]

@@Gokaes I like Vicky. But what are you supposed to roleplay? Historical foreign policy is usually the best option in game anyways. Roleplaying building factories where historically so? I don't get what you mean.

[@thepedrothethethe6151]

@@nicholasbaca8065 Sphering countries, developing your nation, controlling the geopolitical framework of the World...

[@bad.at.videogames.5514]

I am a ck3 player, just got EU4 and to be honest, it's not as hard to learn as HOI4 and I enjoy having to do so much just to get .30 more coins and afford another 1k troops

[@ohyeahyeah5873]

not hard as hoi4?? BRUH i can't play eu4 as a hoi4 player.

[@CodexQuinn]

@@ohyeahyeah5873 Its not hard once you start to understand trade. Understanding trade is key to building a stable economy. Also exploiting the fuck out of the new world

[@TheArmageddon42]

EU4 is way harder than HOI4 or CK3, cause it is more complex than both of them combined imo. But that also makes it more fun for me than the other two games.

[@wiktorlesniewicz688]

Hoi4 is much easier than eu4. Even eu3 is harder than hoi4

[@ClipsTIKTOK_RED]

EU4 is a little bit more easy to learn that HOI4 but it is a world of a difference to understand it and master it

[@PieMaster2425]

That's a lot of paper mana and bird mana you spent just to lower army maintenance.

[@aarohalme1020]

Ck at least wins in a proper development system, and as a result partly in economy. While Eu4 simply has monarch points, making it severely lacking in that department.

[@Pascal_Mueller]

yes

[@gimmethegepgun]

But dev growth is still largely based on how many rulers there are, since each one has their own steward and that's one of the two main methods of dev going up. Also feudals are way better than clans at dev since you can just GIVE COINAGE RIGHTS TO ALL even though that's a great way to destroy an economy.

[@oneproudukrainian2063]

I think the simplicity suits it better though

[@zaikolebolsh5724]

Ye, CK in general is more about how you are gonna kill a child(or marry a horse) rather than doing your taxes

[@stojankovacic1524]

In my opinion, it could even be immersion breaking for a medieval game to have a complex economic system as economy didn't even exist as a science yet and economies were generally agrarian.

[@CodexQuinn]

@@stojankovacic1524 *cries in italian banking*

[@xzardas541]

@@stojankovacic1524 economy in ancient times was just as developed as of today, it is just this stupid opinion that our ancestors were idiots just because they had less advanced technology.

[@stojankovacic1524]

@@xzardas541 Did you even read what I wrote?

[@MrTimebomb12]

It does make sense tho. EU4 simulates the socioeconomic transition from feudalism to capitalism in a procedurally more globalized economy (which focuses on welath accumulation). CK3 simulates feudalism which was a system concerned primarily with feeding and protecting the people rather than currency exchange. Trade did not flourish in the Middle Ages, therefore Paradox has no reason to construct a complex system to simulate it

[@JustSomeGuyWlthoutAMustache]

BigBrain

[@gordonproductions284]

If ck3 simulates the feudalism, where is the barter?

[@nicolaitoop192]

what about the hanseatic league? they were traders in the Middle Ages and they traded on a big international level

[@maxdeschryver2446]

Trade was very important in the Middel Ages. A lot of cities operated as trade hubs and consequently became very rich in medieval times. Ghent (and Bruges as well) was for example one of the biggest cities around the 11the century and became extraordinarily wealthy through trade of whool and linen. You should note that this expansion of economic power in the low lands (and especially the county of Flanders) was one of the reasons why later on the Burgundian dukes, when they inherited Flanders, almost rivaled the power of the king of France (and could act so independantly from the French king).

[@plaguerim5608]

Economy isn't really hard in ANY Paradox game, even Vicky. It's just hidden behind either a really shitty UI or simplified because it is not the point of the game.

[@sizanogreen9900]

I mean ck3's economy has a bit more depth, like lifestyles, traditions, religions and profiteering from warfare. But it could definitly learn a lot from eu4.

[@kindadumb916]

HEhE fArmlAnds gO Brrrr

[@user-qp5mq9uz1n]

Virgin “trade goods, center of trade, trade power, taxes, manpower, production” vs Chad “development in county”

[@wiktorlesniewicz688]

Meanwhile hoi4 Civilian factories goes brrrr

[@adrian29811]

0:31 POLAAAAAND Represent!

[@Leaf8823]

Who plays ck3 for economy? There is vic2 for that.

[@John-kd2tc]

Yes, you play CK3 to marry your sister-mother-grandmother.

[@samuelleandro2275]

Improving your economy on Victoria 2: Pick a country with any government that lets you choose the ruling party.

[@genericwhitemale9566]

Hopefully by the time you're forced to turn into a democracy cause of the millions of rebels, you've got a load of capitalists doing the work for you.

[@Selmo15]

EU4 had almost none of these features during launch so I think there is hope for CK3.

[@cossakman101]

true dat. I think there was only trade and province taxes. There was development i think but you couldn't directly effect it until the second expansion i think.

[@Thomas-qs1ul]

@@cossakman101 Early EU4 feels like EU0.0.1 when you look back. There was so little compared to now in there and we already loved it.

[@vadoksam9235]

Ck2 economy make sense for the time. Eu4 nearing end of feudalism makes sense. Victoria subsidise factory make sense for time. They are all good.

[@freeman8990]

Vic 2: "Look What They Need to Mimic a Fraction of Our Power"

[@notascam7952]

Damn, it's almost like, a diplomacy/economics game, has a more complex economics system that a mainly role-playing game

[@rockshah]

Ck3: Just build more farm fields. Hoi4: Conquer more territories. Eu4: Microsoft Excel. Vic2: Real Life Simulator.

[@stillcold]

I have like 1k hrs and always forget you can upgrade trade ports

[@Difdauf]

The end of the tutorial is at 2k hours.

[@johnvanjohnson8577]

Imperator Rome: Naw jk I still can't figure it out after watching 10+ economy videos

[@plebisMaximus]

Literally though. I have no idea how to money in that game.

[@biggie_boss]

I play with probably 70+ CK3 mods at any given time, that's the beauty of the game.

[@gambit-6181]

I highly recommend the Sinews of War mod for CK3, gives off a lot of MEIOU and Taxes vibes from EU4

[@burgerwizard910]

-Gets trade advisor -Exploits tax dev and improves trade dev -Builds marketplace -Uses trade edict -Gets *economic* ideas

[@_CaptainCookie]

Smh went eco first idea. Rookie error. Slows progress towards workshop and that vital 2nd idea group. Quantity first will do you much better, giving a strong mil idea and a great policy with economic for your second idea group

[@segwhkamaza6447]

What ck3 lack is population disasters and natural chaos of medival era (all the rains or not raining, snow storms etc.

[@refuze2quit603]

Honestly, I think that sorta was how economy worked in the dark ages lmao. So I think a very simple economy actually feels more like an actual medieval king’s economy

[@AstraphUriel]

Improving your eco in HoI4: Lol, what's economy, just conquer shit bro

[@Admiral45-10]

,,You can also build, like, roads, or civilian factories or whatever, but who has time for it - the UK hasn't guaranteed that small country yet"

[@adityaakbar2575]

EUIV players when they have to spend 70 mana instead of 69 mana because they forgot to use state edicts:

[@christos_thedoge2751]

You mostly correct but you can also increase your Development in ck3 and make your steward collect taxes for extra gains

[@Arthaselite]

To be fair, in medievil times the was little to none trade with other nations, the only way to get more trade or ressoursce was to conquer new territory.

[@tennoheika94]

This is objectively and demonstrably false. The only thing that makes sense in your comment is the fact that they weren't nations, since nation states weren't really a thing. But trade was definitely a thing with major consequences on all levels of society.

[@irsyaadkenway]

This is why I don't know a damn thing about everything in UE4

[@eazhe3716]

Now all I can see is the Kylo Ren "MOAR" and just clicking to build more farmland

[@LaFonteCheVi]

It's almost like CK3 is primarily a RP game and not an economic simulator or something.

[@eoozy2617]

Yeah because adding simple mechanics like trade deals makes it an economic simulator

[@LaFonteCheVi]

@@preacher3958 Grand strategy does not me "deep economic management". Grand strategy simply means GRAND STRATEGY. I.E. High level strategic management. Which is entirely the opposite of micromanagement of components. Also that term is dated and vague. Doesn't particularly mean anything.

[@LaFonteCheVi]

@@eoozy2617 EU4's economic management is entirely the opposite of "simple".

[@eoozy2617]

@@LaFonteCheVi No shit, maybe read my comment again. Adding a few simple economy mechanics wont make the game an economic simulator.

[@torum6448]

@@eoozy2617 I really wish CK had a more complex economic and diplomatic system.

[@nafialvaro9035]

Vic3: CHILD

[@rolandwenzel1782]

Vic2: zombie grandpa

[@akai4942]

If we had a holding system like ck2 and a trade system like eu4 we would have a much better game

[@ninny65]

I don't think ck3 has come anywhere near eclipsing ck2, at least not yet

[@ryankasch5561]

Implying that eu4 econ actually is anything and doesn't suck

[@krokodilislezi620]

The Trade must flow.

[@patrikblankberg3252]

lol missed the opportunity of "you can ask your head of faith for money" meme

[@heinrich2026]

Absolutely true. Crusader Kings' economy is at the level of a neonate, although Europa Universalis' economy is also easy. In fact no Paradox game is very difficult, in fact they are very easy. The hardest economy game I tried once was Diplomacy, that game is very complicated but because of all the management you have to do. These games are more about micromanagement, but like all games, once you get the hang of it, anything is possible.

[@frankbrecher6778]

попробуй Capitalism 2 и Victoria 2.

[@dentlos806]

Victoria 2: buff Colonel Sanders

[@Romczy]

Eu4-realm/state management, CK3-roleplay with emphasis on dynastic affairs. See the difference?

[@missk1697]

Ignore workshops, build more farm fields. Just don't overdo it like Democratic Kampuchea did.

[@thebaconavenger8876]

Well, it kinda makes sense. EU4 takes place right around the point the rulers of countries actually started to care about the economy...

[@joelcotten1065]

Vic II: convert to a whiskey based economy

[@originalname2457]

Video: EU4 vs CK3 Improving your economy Me: *Meiou & Taxes incident*

[@user-ym2ne1zg1b]

I recall the times when EU4 economy was considered to be lackluster.

[@bioemiliano]

Are buildings viable in ck3? In ck2 I never build anything unless I'm drowning in money, it just not worth it

[@xandyreoch8d874]

In CK2 the only ones worth it are the castle walls and city walls tbh, they are super cheap and give loads of money and troops

[@darkoris8992]

In Ck2 build is not worh? lol Eco building + retiniue building was must have if u want play only small kingdom and beat bigger one.

[@AnglosArentHuman]

@@darkoris8992 CK LARPers be like:

[@plebisMaximus]

You don't spam out heavy inf and archers in CK2? Huge missed opportunity, man. Bitch slapping around an 8k stack with 3-4k is orgasmic.

[@Thomas-qs1ul]

@@jizznuts Most kingdoms are not that big actually. And some are quite small and fit nice borders: Ireland, Britanny, Navarra, Sri Lanka... They also usually have their own culture. If you get good leaders with the middle branch of both Learning and Stewardship perks you get very strong bonuses to development and cultural fascination. In a few generations you can become more powerful than west francia and HRE combined if you focus on economic (tax and dev bonus) and 1 type of men at arms (I used to go for archers but their numbers and attrition make me wonder if heavy stuff would be appropriate)

[@gelationousskin835]

sinews of war adds a bit of flavor to the ck3 economy

[@Derkosson]

It also sadly brings my potato to its limits.

[@shodan2002]

Yes I prefer ck3 because it’s easier to learn lol and i still get fucked because of inheritance I didn’t know that if I held 2 kingdom titles my brother would take it they didn’t even warn me that I was about to lose an entire kingdom I worked so hard to conquer it I would have killed him if i knew

[@JaCrispy3060]

Vicky 2: lets create a global shortage of iron and steel for fun

[@carterc4307]

I like it that way, EU4 trade is too complicated for my pea brain

[@thepedrothethethe6151]

Just collect in the most downstream node.

[@jonb914]

Yea, there are all those buttons in EU4 but we all know it's mostly about clicking "git gud" on a gold mine.

[@ackvon9081]

Meanwhile Victoria 2 you gotta 'educate' everyone. Ew gross.

[@Valhal1776]

Why cant we just have EU4 economic mechanic depth with CK3 dynastic complexity. Please Paradox. We beg it of thee

[@yosefelsawy5102]

because crusader kings is in medivel era building big cities and improving the villages wasn't that important the most important thing at that time was keeping your empire or kingdom with you and have children to inherit you

[@Sabrowsky]

Man I miss CK2 economy and tech systems...

[@hagalathekido]

dont forget banishing your priest if he gets too much money

[@Nikwunu]

a true ck gamer will imprison mayors

[@Lucas-dg4zn]

Saying eu4 is good on it’s economy is like saying Russia is a great country in terms of social inequality because Brazil is worse

[@user-zv6ds9wf7x]

As a Victoria player it's funny to watch this

[@AbdulGoodLooks]

I'm waiting to see an update after Vicky 3 comes out :)

[@RulerOfLight]

Imperator Rome and Stellaris: "What a bunch of fuckin losers"

[@connorthomas2667]

the main point in ck3 is the war and charters economy is 2nd

[@3r4th]

Nah, in EU4 you declare a bunch of wars, take a bunch of loans, then declare more wars to make sure your growth outpaces the rising interest.

[@idontlikerome2744]

The middles ages were simpler times

[@AtreidesIV]

Each Paradox game has it's specificities. The thing is, in CKIII, you play as a lord, not as a country. It make sense for a feudal lord to make money out of farms (taxes) and for a country out of trade, right ?

[@shanefitzpatrick8377]

Ck2: raid and kidnap

[@pmeister1337]

Victoria 2: Hold my beer

[@TheBusbyBabes]

I mean, they have different focused and also one game has 11 years of dlc support in ut

[@orangesilver8]

EU4 players when they click the more money button and then the province makes more money (it's very complex)

[@AlertedSponge]

you forgot the part when you use your intrigue and abduct priest to banish them for being sinful and not respecting the church

[@all_pro1237]

yeah that about sums it up

[@JimRFF]

How to improve Eco in CK3: *raise all as raiders*

[@user-ji7cq4mt9b]

Improving economy in Stellaris: red rocks tiles💀

[@John_1-1_in_Japanese]

Me playing CK: What is a building?

[@John_1-1_in_Japanese]

I kinda wish buildings worked like CK2 where you could build every building per province. What the fuck is stopping you, a shortage of space? Every province encompasses so much land you can see it from orbit lol

[@JamesHock]

Victoria 2 economy improves itself

[@philip8498]

meanwhile in vicky 2: have you tried to kill all the poor?