EU4 was a DIFFERENT GAME 10 years ago! (Europa Universalis IV)

In today's Europa Universalis IV video we will be rolling all the back to the earliest patch of EU4 accessible on Steam and seeing how things turn out. This patch is over 10 years old and looks VERY different from what someone loading up the game in 2024 would see.
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[@246al]

Did you know? The release of EU IV is actually now closer to the setting its based on than today!

[@moises3545]

I already messed up in 2604, 2605 gonna be my year fr

[@emilcioran7444]

Wdym?

[@thegodv_]

can't wait for 2725 to come

[@Shaman42069]

Wow how the fly times

[@Bleed1987]

now... than today makes absolutely no sense. cause now is today

[@DankusMemicus]

That Beijing trade node was definitely one of the trade nodes of all time.

[@Ugapiku]

At least Portugal is green...

[@Augustus_Imperator]

Peak EU4 was 1.12 Common Sense, change my mind 😆

[@dimo9463]

Really fun video, but wait we had fluctuating Trade goods prices with supply and demand in Eu4? Why was that removed it sounds awesome!

[@FenrirAsgardwolf]

Performance Like dude, the game ran like shit on 2013 computers, imo much worse than today

[@DylanSargesson]

11:35, the Cardinals still have names in modern EU4. You can see them if you hover over your cardinal icons on the religion tab as a Catholic.

[@joshuasims5421]

Why do I really want to try a campaign in this version? Modern EUIV is great, but this just looks so simple…closer to its boardgame roots

[@anbersker3356]

its awfull i try it, having to seige every province its hell on earth

[@ЗачиняєвДенис]

It looks so much alike EUIII + last dlc

[@gordyhowitzer]

Something I distinctly remember from this era of EUIV was when a nation was released or spawned from rebels, they would NEVER get any allies, like the AI just never turned on for them.

[@keizervanenerc5180]

There are a few things i really miss form early EU4: - more buildings - beter culture groups (at least in Europe) - the way terrain & maneuvre worked (every province had multiple terrain types with a % and what type of terrain you hit during a battle was a dice roll influenced by your general's maneuvre stat. - if an ally is stronger than the main attacker or defender in a war, that ally can become the war leader. This was crazy. Some times annoying, but also very fun to have to think about (EU4 has always been a game about checking the diplomatic situation). I get that it needed to be reworked, but i think removing this was a loss. Now the League War is basically the only continent wide war you'll see. If this system was reworked to come into play in the mid to late game we would see way more awesome giant wars! - Being able to set whoever you want as a rival. In current EU4 it is waaay too limmited which quite often results in long-time allies with 100 trust randomly breaking the alliance with you because you became their only possible rival..... - the AI actually doing culture convertions - the new world not staying 90% native American cultures and religions the whole game (again, AI colonial nations very rarely culture convert, and since they added a billion native tags, the colonial nations can't actually colonize the land and spread their culture through colonisation....) There are also some things that i am so glad aren't in the game anymore though: - WESTERNASATION - not being able to develop your provinces - you couldn't take the capital province of a nation unless that province had become an enclave or it was the nation's only province.... this often let to very annoying peace deals. I remember in like 1.8 or something when the Inca nations were added. I played Cusco and i only borders 3 provinces.... AND ALL 3 PROVINCES WERE CAPITALS SO I COULD LITERALLY NOT EXPEND!!! - The awful mission system before mission trees became a thing.

[@dearingo]

Never cook again 🙏

[@Sp00nexe]

I agree with almost everything except for mission trees and westernization. The current institution system is dogshit, and results in the entire world living in a fantasy where the Congo is at the same level of technological advancement as France in 1690. Westernization was a tough, very tough mechanic, but my god was it so rewarding to get western units and be on par. It kept the world properly separated by technological advancement and rewarded you accordingly. Dynamic missions, imo, were also far superior to this HOI4 style dogshit mission tree system that tries to lock you into certain paths rather than entertaining a "anything could happen hee hee" alternate history the game is supposed to do.

[@gad8476]

Lmao that Inca campaign no way

[@takkorinus7909]

​@@dearingo I agree. How tf can you put Romanian in the same culture group as South slavs and make transylvania Hungarian?

[@losisansgaming2628]

Never forget square memel

[@Workman743]

I first starting playing EU4 with Common Sense back in 2015, right when Development was introduced, so I've never had to deal with Base Tax... Though, *man,* I remember *old* Estates, honestly, I'd *love* to see a video highlighting the old crappy estate system, because I honestly think everyone has just gotten to used to the new and improved estates that we've all *forgotten* what they *used* to be, back when there was no simple abstracted "crownland" and you had to *individually assign* provinces to be owned by different estates, and there were *no* privileges, there were just like, three buttons for each estate that you pushed every decade or so... Man... Takes me *way* back.

[@Chewbert]

Unpopular opinion, I like the new system but the old system was good too. The provincial buffs you got were cool 😂

[@JirenThegreylien]

Wasn’t that long ago, it was before emperor

[@TheodoreWhite-cg6rj]

You should make a mod where there is a fort in every single province and make the forts cost nothing.

[@Nerazmus]

22:30 The supply/deman system got axed for multiple reason. Two main one being that it was relatively poorly optimised and confusing as hell. There were like gazillion different modifiers; and while some were straight some were less straight. Like, if province produces cloth and country is not overlord of another country which happens to have more than 4 cotton provinces then cotton demand *500%. And because supply/demand was a global average... you could have done a little bit of trolling by nuking the demand for a certain good you weren't producing in your provinces and screw over someone on the other side of the world.

[@yotsquidi]

giving me old berber idea PTSD.........

[@PatPremium]

+50% hostile ccr and then they pick defensive ideas too

[@reichtanglevictor1694]

I can't believe I already forgot about green Portugal

[@bjornerluffy]

Green portugal was just correct idk why

[@rayres1074]

As someone who hasn't played EUIV in a long while, I'm baffled why Portugal ISN'T green anymore

[@Bleed1987]

the colour switch between portugal and tlemcen makes no sense. i mean what is this for? literally no difference

[@safs3098]

@@bjornerluffy nah blue portugal is correct because old Portuguese flag was Blue and White

[@evanhawkins6186]

Im so used to seeing portugal being green, but i agree with the guy above. Blue Portugal would be accurate

[@RhombonianKnight]

1:18 Square Memel was the best Memel. I'll forever be sad the the devs changed it to its current state instead of making it a cube.

[@NotKnafo]

reminds you so many things from eu3

[@LarsSteenbreker]

You can bo back 10 years, but you shall never escape from the Dutch😊

[@LarsSteenbreker]

I honestly don't remember putting that emoji there.... I think I might be shizophrenic or I was drunk, one of the two.

[@karloskarlinderstrom6943]

The culture map mode was low key better 10 years ago

[@buurmeisje]

For real, at least Estonian and Finnish are together, the Celts are all together, Basque is an isolate

[@pauh4578]

I still miss celtic Brittney. Thier idea set even today if you read the description of thier ideas when you hover over it with your mouse one of them mentions how its the last bastion of celtic Gaul despite the region no longer being celtic.

[@pauh4578]

I belive its thier first idea, "legacy of Breton independence" that mentions it when you hover over it.

[@bakubread9308]

you missed it when looking at cultures, but Welsh, Cornish, and Breton used to be in the Celtic culture group. Still don't know why they changed that.

[@wotanvonedelsburg1610]

gamplay maybe

[@Robeedrill]

I remember there wasn't Cornish and Cornwall province was Welsh

[@wojea]

I hate EU4 after the introduction of mission trees. The gameplay loop was much less repetitive and more creative before it's introduction

[@bosserman444]

This was the game I fell in love with. I forgot how big the provinces were back then. I wish we could find the release version, that was back when colonial nations weren’t a thing. Can’t wait for EU5

[@jasonmain6398]

You say the mughals aren't worth forming..... But you neglect to remember forming them as Ming

[@BigDap1625]

Hello. I just wanted to say thank you for these videos I been really sick recently (im getting better) but your videos have helped me a lot through it just binge watching. Wish you much success!

[@Chewbert]

I wish you a fast and effective recovery 🤝

[@BigDap1625]

Thank you! Getting better every day :D

[@konplayz]

“Russian” culture is more accurate than in 1.37, “Muscovite” “Ryazanian” and “Novgorodian” aren’t real things

[@Chewbert]

Ok

[@wotanvonedelsburg1610]

really?

[@AEH-df7ho]

Yep

[@spexx2863]

Brings a smile to see you post man 🙌

[@Chewbert]

thank you kind sir!

[@jesusperez-bz6pq]

And eu5 is going to be a lot bigger!

[@worms136]

"rustling jimmies" Credits to you Chew! Using decade-old terms for a video showcasing a decade of improvement

[@spedromedar9765]

england and beijing sure are different but you completly missed the part where genoa isnt even end node (as is england...) and can be steered into antwerpen which is actually the end node (same as england) :D so getting inheritance sure would be huge boost

[@yexin4093]

Northen Spain being Bordeaux trade node makes much more sense

[@user-ii9bl6de2j]

EU4 now with Ray-Tracing!

[@LaPlumeDeOrikaa]

I remember that green Portugal... aaah the nostalgia

[@losisansgaming2628]

2:29 why the fuck is hungary west slavic?

[@brajansporys1392]

they are basicly west slavs with ugirc language

[@losisansgaming2628]

@@brajansporys1392 try telling that to a magyar.

[@bushar1461]

@@brajansporys1392 😨😨😨

[@robson1566]

Seeing Hungarian culture being considered west slavic burns my eyes

[@DonSMDT]

if you dont have that dlc, you still get a colonist as the siberian frontiers are a DLC mechanic

[@Palladium1010]

Damn, this looks like a demo version now.

[@baileyfellers5465]

Great vid Chewby!

[@DylanSargesson]

If there's no Square Memel in EU5, we riot

[@Fertro]

I had no idea it was *that* different back then. No missions, big provinces... Haven't you come far, game...

[@NotKnafo]

ranking in eu3 is based on prestige so you should do so for early eu4

[@luizm]

more accurate reformation than today

[@estonia888]

yea no i dont think i wanna pay for an dlc just to see casualties of my war

[@wololo4206]

Would like to see a base game comparison when EU5 drops xD

[@samuelbockle9440]

i mean i liked eu 4 when it was released but still in my opinion eu 4 is the game that made the biggest and best development since its release from all games i have (ca 300)

[@electricVGC]

I miss the old estate system sometimes :P

[@duartepereira9400]

Green Portugal my beloved

[@komeijisatori6612]

Ah, the good ol' stuff, when technology group modified your tech cost and westerrnezation was o big disaster

[@Chewbert]

Oh shoot I forgot about westernization 😂

[@komeijisatori6612]

You just didn't border any westernized nation, so there was no option to talk about it 😂

[@ehk5948]

I miss that Portugal green

[@shaddow3851]

i just startet eu4 3 weeks ago

[@Cheesechunkz]

Tbh kinda miss these Province sizes

[@Chewbert]

Easier to click 😂

[@ΌνομαΕπώνυμο-ο1τ]

Gotta love the Tartar and Khazak cultures 💀

[@MahsaKaerra]

I see that the Aztec, Mayan and Incan religions didn't exist in the old days, either.

[@Robert-xx8jx]

I love tartars

[@Otto500206]

Why protectorates got removed?

[@joegattog6695]

Never been this early with only 2 comments before

[@Benwut]

As an australian resident, can confirm, that map of habitable regions is far more accurate for our continent, and as a tunisian (by birth, not ancestry), I do agree yes, we are one province, big tunis is one singular region without any cultural diversity. Not like we had tuareg terrorists in our south or anything...

[@AikanaroSauron]

Ah yes, the good old race between Russia colonizing the South East Asia and Spain colonizing the Russian Far East. I miss that.

[@Dänelore-c8d]

hungarian is in the polish culture group

[@noahengelstad1253]

Video idea: Eu4 but India is like the HRE. (Week 7) Vijayanagar = Austria Mewar = Brandenburg Orrisa = Saxony Bahmanis = Bohemia Gond/Garjati states = Hanseatic League Gujarat = Burgundy Malwa = Palatinate Rajput/Gugrati/Malayam minors = HRE minors Delhi/Sirhind = Bavaria Bengal = Teutonic Order Janpur = Wolgast Hindustan = Prussia Bharat = HRE (united)/Germany Sikh = Protestant Jainism = Hussite Hinduism = Catholic (This wouldn’t be a switch though, just bringing hre mechanics to India)

[@EaSkateVideo]

First cheap-people-comment! 🎉 And we all remember yellow Fars 😅

[@Benwut]

I have a mod which restores yellow fars lmao

[@EaSkateVideo]

That's the best Fars! 😍

[@Nano_Kano]

Thanks for dose of nostalgia, but it's surely not the first version of eu4, it's kinda like 1.4, because there aren't colonial nations and totemism (bruh) in 1.1)

[@Chewbert]

.. I literally said that within like 30 seconds of the video bro 😂

[@Nano_Kano]

I just skipped first minute because of pizza courier kekw

[@purple4395]

I'm surprised how different the map is. Not the nations but really the map itself. I play EU4 for very long but when I'm started development was a thing and the world already looked 99% like it does now in terms of geography.

[@Podzhagitel]

ah yes EU 3.5…

[@srtenaz]

i fell old....

[@хейтер-д4з]

I wish colonizers in the modern EU4 went to India, Arabia and other non-european territories with local states

[@safs3098]

Wow, I played EU4 since Rule Brittania DLC so I never knew how barebones and honestly bad base game EU4 was

[@dickinwurfer]

Music used in the intro?

[@sirflasm3456]

It's "Magic Hag's Potion Shop" from the game "the legend of Zelda majora's mask"

[@dickinwurfer]

@@sirflasm3456 I knew I heard the music somewhere before, thanks anyways ur a good lad

[@Lumminat]

"Hungary is not slavic country" EU4 devs: hold my beer!

[@Colruth]

They removed supply and demand and dynamic prices because it was too costly in terms of calculations. From what I remember, they used to be calculated every tick, which was limiting their ability to add stuff to the game. They wanted to reduce the rate of calculations, but figured it would have to be updated so rarely to be worth it that the new system made more sense, which costs pretty much nothing. AFAIK

[@Irjeibrieuhyhrhv]

Manchu not being Altaic is enough to get this banned in some countries

[@solinvictus4367]

Europa Universalis always does that. The current game starts off as just an updated graphic version of the previous game. EU4 was EU3 with better graphics before they added updates and DLC

[@EmporerDragon]

Probably Ming's best game in 10 years.