Eugene Stoner Interview: XM274 Automatic Cannon

[@Spookston]

Many thanks to Kawaii Rage for pointing me to the record, and to the Smithsonian for allowing me to share it.

[@MausOfTheHouse]

When I read the title I thought that you'd be the one interviewing Eugine Stoner. Silly me.

[@Spookston]

@@MausOfTheHouse Bit hard to interview someone who died before I was born

[@MausOfTheHouse]

@@Spookston Lol

[@STRYKER_b14]

@@Spookston well u could ask the foundation to reanimate him with scp2000. 😅😆😂

[@joker_9476]

@@Spookston hahahahahhaah gottem

[@blackegret666]

Mikhail: *Makes universal firegroup that can be used on almost any platform* Eugene: "Fuck it, AUTOCANNON."

[@moblinmajorgeneral]

Mauser: *Continues perfecting bolt-action rifle.* Browning: "FUCK IT, MACHINE GUNS!"

[@kyleabrezzi]

Maxim: makes machine gun. Browning: screw it. Fifty BMG it is

[@Del_S]

Wales/England: Longbows China: Fuck it, GUNPOWDER.

[@mr.waffentrager4400]

Every country : rifling is for stabilizing the round in flight . Uralvagonzavod "Soviet union" : "Fuck rifling, smooth will the the barrel"

[@Seargentmyself]

Oh you know some Russian tried to make an anti tank AK

[@typicalraptor6463]

It’s like that Royal Navy advert. “If you can fix a skateboard you can fix a bike. If you can fix a bike you can fix a car.” But is “if you can build an assault rifle you can build a rapid fire tank gun” instead.

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

Cars are not made to be fixed, and I'm saying that as a former bike repairman.

[@clonescope2433]

@@dashiellgillingham4579 Depends on the model year. Most modern cars they are not meant to be repaired except for maybe changing tires, and some of the fluids.

[@casematecardinal]

@@clonescope2433 yeah you either pull out the drive train or life will be hard when you try repairs

[@dashiellgillingham4579]

@@clonescope2433 True.

[@FearlessLeader2001]

Apparently if you can build an automatic rifle, it's nearly impossible to scale it up to .50 BMG though, which is interesting.

[@daspas2111]

For some reason i thought spook had channeled all of his power and knowledge of military equipment to resurrect eugene stoner and have an interview with him

[@iliaz7057]

I imagine him creating a pentacle and in each corner he would place a different type of tank round. Meanwhile he will start a ritual and pray dressed in a tank suit

[@Bagheera2]

Same

[@dragoonTT]

@@iliaz7057 I imagine him in a tank costume, role playing as a tank.

[@NeverlostatBSgaming]

So I’m not the only one

[@lepmuhangpa]

I for some reason thought something similar.

[@pyencdocde5716]

Spookston really loves the HSTVL, he went back in time to interview Eugene Stoner himself, what a baller

[@Crackheadmicky]

😂

[@olgagaming5544]

Eugene Stoner? It's my friend, Eugene, who likes to get stoned

[@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870]

Someone could sneer at your obsession with the hstv-l. I instead must say I'm impressed with your work! Certainly the definition of true passion.

[@WTCheatShaming]

Nothing wrong with a hobby

[@spehhhsssmarineer8961]

i see that you, Cato Sicarius, are a true man of intellect

[@pleaseenteranamelol711]

Whats wrong with being interested in genuinely interesting things?

[@calvinhell4006]

“We could get the rate of fire up to about 2 rounds per second” Spookston: *heavy breathing*

[@elohttubjameson3450]

Eugene Stoner: Makes an assault rifle. Also Eugene Stoner: What if I put it on a tank?

[@AlexSDU]

And the military be like: Lets tell our troops that they don't have to clean the tank's gun.

[@yoman1082]

I've been to the Eugene Stoner room at Knight's Armaments in Titusville Florida. In that room along with the first AR-15s, AR-10s, and Stoner 63 LMGs produced there was a mockup of the XM274 next to his drafting table. Along a wall in the room there was an automatic cannon that was to be sold to the Iranian Shah before his deposing.

[@Spookston]

The other autocannon was likely the 35mm Talon. Ares designed it as part of the Eagle Air Defense System, which the Iranians contracted them to build.

[@censorduck]

that must have been a spiritual experience

[@Predator42ID]

Meh, that is nothing, Stoner only had a hand in designing them, he didn't actually design them. Now Browning is very different. Arms museums will have entire sections dedicated to him and he did far more than Stoner could imagine. Plus unlike Stoner, Browning was the real deal as the vast majority of his creations he designed himself.

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@Predator42ID Not everyone can be yhe Mormon Murder Magician.

[@masterolof138]

Spookston you have hit the top of hstvl nerding i love it

[@kanoeyuuko195]

i guess it still needs a buff in the game

[@mr.waffentrager4400]

@@kanoeyuuko195 all it needs is 120mm hesh or 125mm HE

[@Rusty_Shackleford1]

I had no idea our Lord and Savior: Eugene Stoner designed the XM274

[@redenginner]

It seems like every prolific US arms designer designed an autocannon. Browning designed the 37m on the P-39 Aircobra

[@burgerchuffer491]

Far from a lord or a savior, man's gun designs were hardly ever used, legit only the m16 was popular. And what that makes him gun Jesus?

[@Y.M...]

@@burgerchuffer491 cliche retort, but I'm guessing we can't see any better from you, can we?

[@burgerchuffer491]

@@Y.M... well I'm not a gun designer I'm more of a critique, but honestly yea if I was a designer of firearms and Military hardware I could do alot better than old stoner. None the less my point was he shouldn't be labeled as a savior he was just a typical human being with some skills in the art of crafting. I'm a religious person i hate to see people idolize normal people, without God we would have nothing, no weapons, no air, no cool little m16s, we'd be non existent, so to hear a person compare a guy who built firearms to Jesus infuriates me to the point of lividness. I'm sorry I offended.

[@actionhirvimoose4294]

@@burgerchuffer491 "I'm a religious person" well we found the problem here. You can't take a joke and certainly you would not have the expertise to design firearms as effectively as our late fellow Eugene Stoner.

[@crackedjabber]

Listening to him... he sounds like a Lotus engineer... 'simplify, add lightness'

[@The2flame]

You had me at "automatic cannon"

[@nmspy]

Let’s make an m16… but like.. big.. Investors: “duuuuude”

[@classifiedad1]

More like Investors: Like AR-10? Stoner: Bigger. Investors: Duuuuude

[@rarejavelin6547]

definitely pictured Mr. Stoner and the bois passing some pot around while thinking up ideas completely *stoned*

[@CobraDBlade]

There's actually a lot about this system that is very similar to the G11's operating system. It's interesting that so many designs during that time period were fooling around with telescoped/caseless ammo and rotating push-through breeches.

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

Cause it's advantages are undeniable. It's downsides back then were not so clear. Don't get me wrong I think it still makes tremendous sense though I think it could work better if integrated into the concept of a cryogenic propellant cannon. You insert the projectile into the rotating cylinder as the back of the gun gets injected with the propellant. Once ready the projectile swings into place and the gun fires. This way you can separate the projectile and propellant in a configuration that allow both to prepare separately in specially designed compartments and you don't deal with the traditional issue of caseless because the cryogenic fuel cools down the barrel, reducing wear and preventing overheats.

[@kfeltenberger]

True...though looking at what's available on this gun as compared to the G11, it's pretty clear HK forgot the part about keeping things simple and went full blown Swiss watch.

[@reinbeers5322]

@@kfeltenberger But it's H&K, so it works.

[@Pulsarr1]

@@reinbeers5322 H&K made some garbage over the years, just like every manufacturer.

[@reinbeers5322]

@@Pulsarr1 Harder to find one who made a gun as complex as the G11, that actually works.

[@KokotoHero-N3]

"We had it up to 2 rounds a second" should have improved the FCS/stab system and given us this demon you absolute mad lad.

[@YukarisGearReviews]

Designs the most ubiquitous civilian rifle in all of human history, which then became the assault rifle that armed half the West, and then built an autocannon.

[@DIEGhostfish]

Eh the 15 wasn't super widely adopted till after the 16.

[@nagasako7]

Stoner: "Cute AK.... BTW here's my 75mm anti armor auto Canon...."

[@Ksportin]

Good find with this interview, Spookston and Kawaii Rage and thank you for publishing it. It was certainly an interesting watch and I do believe the first time I've seen Eugene Stoner in an interview. Whilst I knew about his role in small arms development, I had no idea he was involved in the XM274

[@Jiberwocky]

Spherical section ends, what a genius simple solution to the rotating breechblock problem. I suppose you can do that in autocannons while you really can't practically in small arms. Stoner is still my goddamn hero.

[@kden9772]

Eugene Stoner is the giant that every rifle designer now a days stands on the shoulders of

[@diator2]

who is john moses browning then?

[@StarkRaven59]

Either that or Mikhail Kalashnikov, and several German engineers whose names have been forgotten as they didn't support the strong arms of democracy or communism.

[@kden9772]

@@diator2 Browning was a great small arms designer but he was not influential in designing the modern assault rifle, which is armament I was talking about in the original comment

[@jon5255]

I had no idea stoner made anything larger than a 25mm

[@CssHDmonster]

spookston is slowly becoming a hstv-l channel

[@hummerskickass]

and im ok with this

[@yeetyateyote5570]

hummerskickass so am i

[@lin837pr2]

Eugene Stoner, what a chad he made all kind of things, from rifles to tank guns.

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

That last part will never change.

[@CorporalAdrianShephard.]

You talking about the combat load of a soldier? No matter how light they make his/her weapon they will always be carrying the same amount in weight?

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

@@CorporalAdrianShephard. Yes

[@dannybrown4817]

Love how he thought imedeatly about armor, when he talked about human loader

[@HighlandFoxx]

Shows he cares about the guys behind the equipment. Seems like he was a genuinely nice fella.

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

It's a known advantage to the autoloader. It's why I advocate that it's the way future tanks should be designed.

[@thepolishdude2194]

I find it really cool that you were able to find this interview. love the channel man, Keep up the good work!

[@Hassel-]

Great video! i was especially intrigued by his comment about when they tried out this 75 auto against a 105 auto.

[@tankman6930]

How did I read the title as “Interview with XM274 Automatic Cannon” LOL

[@quinndenver4075]

Damn stoner was like the modern Jim Browning

[@sidewinder194]

Eugene Stoner, Mikhail Kalashnikov, John Browning, Hiram Maxim, and Mauser all go down in history as some of the most influential weapons designers ever known

[@thecentralintelligenceagen9963]

@@sidewinder194 Mauser: wir haben die Repetieraktion perfektioniert Maxim: fuck it machine gun Browning: fuck it 50.bmg Kalashnikov: ебать это нападение распространено Stoner: fuck you machine guns assault rifes and cannons

[@ph5832]

But bigger

[@that_one_neighborhood_kid2944]

Congratulations Spookston you’ve finally become a journalist 🤩👍

[@BillyDaMarten]

The few good journalists today

[@miamijules2149]

They.... do not.... make ‘em like this.... anymore.

[@NukerMunkyGames]

Good lord man, you can see the disappointment and frustration in his eyes and on his face; You can hear it in his voice, that all the blood, sweat, & tears, not to mention the thousands of man-hours it took to develop and create this weapon system, just to have the Pentagon leave it on the cutting room floor at the last moment.

[@edxcal84]

Thanks for sharing! And theres verbal proof of the HE rounds its meant to carry!

[@terminalarray1047]

I'm glad I found this channel. I too am in love with the HSTV-L. I want any and all info on that vehicle. It's nice finding a channel that shares my extremely niche passion lmao

[@chaosXP3RT]

What's funny is there was recent development on a 50mm chain gun by Northrup Grumman, but we ready had a 75mm version!

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

the 75mm ammunition is too expensive, which is why it failed in the first place.

[@thestig3163]

I remember somebody on the WT forums talking bad about Spookston getting his information by interviewing by "some guy" even though said person took part in the R&D of the HSTVL. But now that you have the video interview with Mr. Stoner, it shows how closed-minded and ignorant that criticizer was. Good video find, and for showing something new Spookston.

[@wowarmy8154]

Do you have link of the forum? I wanna see it

[@thestig3163]

@@wowarmy8154 it was either wt reddit or forum relevant to the incorrect hstvl specs in wt. It was a couple months ago

[@kek207]

Plese more of these Interviews. Really interesting hearing him talk. Could be a bit longer actually!

[@kfeltenberger]

Absolutely outstanding find! This really explained some of the nuances of the gun and I was pleasantly surprised to see Stoner involved. I would love to see what Stoner and Jim Sullivan could have come up with.

[@Youtubeguy543]

By the way, although the AR-15/M-16 is attributed to Stoner along with the AR-10, it was actually done by an engineer named L. Jim Sullivan. That's the same dude who miniaturized the M-14 into the Mini-14, too.

[@Predator42ID]

Finally someone who knows history. Thank you, Stoner gets way too much credit for something he only had a hand in.

[@josephk.4200]

Well that’s not entirely true either, the AR-10 was largely Stoner’s design and Sullivan was more important to the downscaling conversion for AR15.

[@prasadsawant4153]

Thanks spookston.

[@burgerchuffer491]

It makes me smile to think of how much war thunder and military hardware makes spookston seethe

[@Del_S]

Wish there was footage of this firing for real out there. But if there is it's either buried by videogame depictions or hiding on a site with accursed watermarks....

[@stein5763]

Finally a Spookston video longer than 37 seconds 😂

[@imadrifter]

Finally someone pronounces Sabot correctly

[@racer927]

Oh yeah, Eugene Stoner! H3VR (Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades, which is a VR firearm simulator) also added both forms of the Stoner 63 in Assault Rifle and Light-Machine Gun configurations. I find it funny how you can still make a support weapon out of the AR version by using a STANAG C-Drum.

[@jehoiakimelidoronila5450]

WHAT...? Didn't know the legend also designed a cannon... Truly a legend.

[@Brainwashed101]

Ian from Forgotten Weapons has got to see this.

[@col.firefly]

Excellent presentation, very interesting concept and interview. Thanks for chasing this up and sharing.

[@cnlbenmc]

This is one thing later in his life I did not know about.

[@abitofapickle6255]

Spookston: Eugene Stoner.... *InrangeTV, AK guy, and Flannel Daddy have all entered the chat*

[@Omegasupreme1078]

That's a very, very clever mechanism.... and like almost all very, very clever mechanisms, it's elegantly simple.

[@guvyygvuhh298]

Unrelated question: What would any of you think about a 100mm beltfed sabot spammer?

[@gingergorilla695]

Make it 152mm and we have a deal

[@notalexzander2]

from the depths

[@guvyygvuhh298]

@@notalexzander2 person of culture

[@notalexzander2]

@@guvyygvuhh298 also why not 500mm snad?

[@guvyygvuhh298]

@@notalexzander2 bcz at least irl 500 is a weeeee bit too big

[@Firstname.lastname919]

Wow this man has to be one of the greatest engineers of all time...

[@bassdasdwadsasdasw]

I only know about Eugene Stoner thanks to your awesome article

[@lepmuhangpa]

So, that's why the autocannon looks like a Stoner 63.

[@thekiwi4156]

Imagine they would have mounted that system on a heavy jet 🤣🤣

[@sidewinder194]

Hs 129 Style

[@quentinking4351]

AC-130 above!

[@RyuzoSan19]

I dont want to see a modern Hs-129 pls

[@neiloconnor9349]

Thanks. I only recently learned of his role in artillery.

[@leandrogoethals6599]

it's the same principle of going from bolt-action to autmatic loading systems, this is the right step forward it is what should have been done so many years ago

[@A-Forty3707]

I somehow read that as eugene stoner interveiwing an xm274

[@dannyturkian9083]

For a minute I thought you interviewed him

[@Bee_Tea_Sea]

thanks for this, a very interesting watch

[@connorgormly3236]

That comment at the end about what the man carrys is so true 😂

[@taken0ut462]

Now if only it could get its real round. Spooksons would only play the HSTV-L

[@zedf_5275]

A suprise to be sure, but welcome one.

[@ComfortsSpecter]

Incredible History Beautiful Technology Amazing Work Wonderful Vibe

[@Existentialcrisis_1488]

As a history lover, lover of armoured vehicles and simply enjoy war thunder… at least at one point when I hadn’t done everything I could in the game lol. I really enjoy your content, refreshing to see someone who knows their facts and articulates well for others to learn. Great work man keep it up 👍🏻

[@lalad0]

I feel like you may perhaps kinda like the HSTV-L

[@popinmo]

petition to rename channel the official hstv-l channel

[@loyisgibson6631]

Absolutely neat

[@MrMattumbo]

After seeing your comment on NCD I knew something like this was coming lol

[@chaosXP3RT]

Bro! Yes! I watched his interview with Gun Jesus about the M16

[@klutzspecter3470]

I honestly we should be really looking at a full auto 120mm cannon at least. Just incase the T-14 breed like rabbits along with the T-80 comes out of retirement.

[@Bagheera2]

WAIT STONER MADE THAT?? legend x2

[@Adlumairsoft]

the "cool" assualt rifle was the Stoner 63 and it was a Modular rilfe meaing it would do the Job of a Carbine, Assualtrifle or LMG depending on mods and layout. much like todays HK416/M27IAR

[@Spookston]

I know what it's called, it was a joke

[@Adlumairsoft]

@@Spookston ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ thought it could be helpful for ppl that never played CoD BO and wanted to know what kind of gun it was.. bc wen you google "Funny AR from CoD BO" the results are rather unclear.

[@Contentrist]

That ending, THAT M***********G ENDING. It is so true my feet hurt.

[@12isaac00]

that subnautica music caught me off guard

[@jamesedwardzerrudo4522]

Next "If M551 Sheridan is historically accurate redux"

[@maxout214226]

Greatest modern weapons designer

[@christianmichael4020]

Now all you need to do is interview someone on the 120

[@derekthedmeister4452]

Yoooooo new HSTV-L lore dropped

[@Turk3YbAstEr]

"the concept behind it" That concept was they wanted more dakka and it had to stay big. Why? Because more is always better.

[@gato2]

You mean Eugene "God's gift to mankind" Stoner? Nah never heard of him.

[@funmaster3278]

This video is very good

[@Disl3cic]

Genius of a man.

[@MadMichigander1313]

I actually wondered how good a naval-gun it would make, after adding ETC?

[@genericscottishchannel1603]

Modern XM274 when

[@RubberrDuckii]

OH MY GOD!!! Let it go!!!!

[@AB-sg3wi]

a god among men

[@moonmoon3429]

I think god got drunk one night and made Eugene stoner

[@CelticSemperTyrannis]

Now they need to make a 130mm for the new US tank

[@stijnVDA1994]

Oh yeah the concept rifle, the commando. Sadly i can remember the origins anymore, i do know the bo1 famas didn't exist yet at the time bo1 was set😅

[@bobmafioso6508]

hey spookston make a video comparing the russian and nato approach to tank building, low profile 3 man autoloaded tanks or nato designs? id like to know which one you think is better

[@kevinlytle6215]

Proof from the designer. About 2 rounds per second with under one per second at worst for sustained fire due to stab and FCS not the guns fault. Instant or near enough change of types and fast reloads. We know the answer as to why they (WT) bias one way over another.

[@Wallyworld30]

I want to see a 75mm Machine Gun fire. I can't find any video of this bad mammerjammer anywhere.

[@Tomartyr]

The interviewer sounds like Colonel Tigh from BSG

[@devgrugaming]

Could we make a 105 or 120mm out of this

[@coraldestroyer4202]

wasn’t that also mounted on the mowag piranha 8x8 by australia

[@edwardvincentbriones5062]

one question spookston: is the HSTV-L the most controversial vehicle in WT? I need your reply asap.

[@ronaldmcreagann6343]

Have you heard of the KA-50?

[@edwardvincentbriones5062]

@@ronaldmcreagann6343 they say that the ka-50 and 52 can shoot long range anti tank guided missiles but if you in the hstv-l managed to hit the helicopter then you get the point. but i guess if you dont know how to use both vehicles properly (especially in realistic and simulation) then they are bad vehicles

[@ana-cm1hg]

spookston i demand information howmany games have u played on the hstvl