Will France BLOCK the Mercosur Deal & INFURIATE Germany?

[@aresee8208]

Let me get this straight. Fair competition is whatever benefits you, while unfair competition is whatever benefits the other side. Got it.

[@cowboybeboop9420]

Pretty much. Always has been, always will be and everyone thinks like this

[@Jurjen.]

No: fair competition is what benefits *most* and unfair competition benefits *few*.

[@skinva]

@@Jurjen. everyone in the EU benefits from having an independant farming sector

[@Alex-xh9wo]

According to France anyway lol Unfair competition is a real thing and tariffs are used to offset countries who fiddle with their currencies or sacrifice wages and health and safety in order to have more competitive exports. However, the term is almost definitely overused

[@khlaps]

It’s unfair because Mercosur farmers don’t have to abide by complex and sustainable EU regulations like EU farmers. This puts EU farmers at a permanent disadvantage

I imagine that all industrial products that EU exports to Mercosur are not unfair competition AND are environmentally friendly. Right?

[@agme8045]

Of course! Every European product was made with clean russian gas and ecological Chinese components 😂

[@xhydrag0br203]

depois eles não sabem o porque preferimos a China

[@edgardiaz9987]

🚫 NOT!!!!

[@oscarcrespo5660]

Much more controlled that any other source that for sure

[@innesiparacheirodon1140]

Germany benefits from the EU free market by selling and exporting their goods (Germany only have 1 deep sea port and it's nowhere close to the capacity of Anvers or Rotterdam) But when it comes to spending in the European market they are like "we better get some cheap meat from overseas" ? What would Germany have to say if we imported tons of heavy industry goods from china without tarifs ?

[@escwilde222]

This is such a great purposal. South America is a trade partner sharing many values with the EU and often stays out of drama. Why should we block this?..

[@demonke7829]

Because it will destroy the European Agricultural sector

[@lerenardnoir6498]

Because south america restrictions in agricultural sector are so weak in comparison to Europe's ones that it will be an insanely unfair competition and will ultimately destroy our farmers

[@hegyitaho]

​@@demonke7829agriculture in modern times is tiny piece of gdp and is super uncompetitive. It's also ridiculous to ship food halfway around the world that could be produced locally

[@NaviRyan]

@@hegyitahodude China dominates the agriculture industry just look at how they took over garlic sales in the us. South American also has a huge agriculture business that will dominate the eu. When Argentina wasn’t a basket case it was the largest agriculture exporter to Europe and then Argentina screwed themselves.

[@rockhyrax-u5i]

So thats a good thing. We can abandon growing garlic and focus on high tech.​@@NaviRyan

[@la_carratamirabella680]

Brazilian/Luxembourguish dual national here. I have family in Mato Grosso, which is a state with part of it in the Amazon and Pantanal biomes, who are soy and banana farmers. I live in Rio Grande do Sul and often go to my grandparents' farm to help them in corn, grape and tangerine yields. I also have plenty of family living in the EU for more than 20 years, so I think I have some weight to my claims (no expert, just personal experience). The deal, in the most parts, favors the EU. The BRL is insanely cheap for someone who spends in EUR. Imagine paying 6x less on beef, mangoes (oversimplifying things, not taking transportarion, packaging into account, just considering currencies). Would make consumer life cheaper for EU citizens both for food as well as energy, considering we produce over 3 Million barrels of oil per day, as well as lots of lithium, gas, niobium and uranium. The only thing that would benefit us in the Mercosul is cheaper industrial products, especially cars (a VW Polo is 90k BRL, over 20 times the minimum wage). My parents have been using a 2014 Duster because it's the only thing they can afford, industrial products are very expensive due to high import tariffs. The enviromental part is a good point, except of you look at the amount of regulation farmers have to attend when planting on forest area. My family in Mato Grosso is obligated by law to conserve 85% of their property and my grandparents over 40%. Also, Embrapa is a very powerful entity, since it helps increase yields on less land, water and in a changing climate. IBAMA can be a pain in the ass. Of course there is deforestation and Native land invasion, that is a fact. We can do better to preserve our nature. There are bad people that use fire as a tool to clean area and go "whoops" when a wildfire happens. But claiming that us in LATAM don't do crap about it is also wrong, when you look at our agricultural and mining regulations TLDR: It benefits mostly the EU, and enviromental issues are not that well justified.

[@kianlakchi7182]

Thank you for this insight - A Belgian that wasn't sure what to think

[@gdf_6c]

Exactly! Brazil's environmental laws are actually pretty strict. It is pretty difficult to enforce said laws in the Amazon forest region, but then again this deal would involve a very tiny fraction of what we export already. It's not that this is what's going to nake a difference

[@thedutchfoxxx]

De risiko deen ech gesinn ass mei anti-EU gefiller.

[@gubruikertje]

While I agree free trade is generally better, I do not see how this is better for the EU. Yes, great for the car industry and certain food items (wine cheese etc) but most countries in the EU are much richer. Mango's are 99 cents. This is already plenty cheap, and if you think south American for some reason are uninterested in making money you are deluded. Even with transportation costs a lot of things will be much more profitable to sell here than over there, while south Americans can still undercut European prices. Our regulations are much stricter and farmers will certainly start protesting again in several countries. There is also the risk of manufacturing leaving for cheaper labour, but I assume (I hope!?) there have been provisions against this.

[@VictorECaplon]

I don’t disagree but does it benefit all member states equally…the EU is not a country so the benefits should be for all 27 members. France believes it will be disproportionately affected and I tend to agree as the industries in the EU that would benefit don’t relate to France or Spain with only French and a few other countries’ industries taking the brunt of the loss. Until the EU is a federation, trade is not a EU issue but a National issue!

[@DeggaTheDev]

Uruguay here. this deal would be great for everyone. the environmental concerns are practically baseless at this point. yes, member countries are still "developing" but we're doing so in a green way. plus, I don't want us to be overly reliant on China or North America.

[@derekarnold3665]

Agree with your comment. When Trump gets to the White House he is going to hike tariffs on EU imports so another good reason this deal makes sense for the EU and of course for the Mercosur countries. Very exciting for all concerned. .

[@kkquikB1]

Baseless? lol. Give me a break. Just admit that they value economic growth over the environment. I have worked in SA agriculture. It is “extensive.” It’s cheap because of lots of land is exploited. Don’t get me wrong, grass fed beef is delicious. But don’t fool yourself into pretentious declarations.

[@PhilipposACosta]

@@kkquikB1what kind of work did you do? Indeed in South America we value grass fed instead of corn fed beef. Is also a matter of animal welfare. Leaving an animal locked in an animal farm is unethical. However many areas of Uruguay and Brazil are naturally pasture. Letting the cattle in those areas is not always impactful. Furthermore, I do have a farm in SA, and I can tell you, environmental regulations are no joke. Your farm is heavily monitored by satellites, and any deforestation is met with heavy fines or even imprisonment.

[@kkquikB1]

@@PhilipposACosta veterinary, swine, Colombia. To some degree responsible beef production is possible, healthy, and delicious, but it is already maxed out. The increased demand will result in more deforestation. Even if responsible farms send their product to the EU, China and the local markets will just get more more beef from the Amazon. The market is liquid. On the margins enforcement of regulation is zero, and that is where the growth will take place.

[@DeggaTheDev]

@@kkquikB1 ey, no estoy aquí para discutir ni debatir estos temas, pero quiero decir que la mayoría de los países implicados desperdician mucha comida en la actualidad. La capacidad para producir las necesidades de la UE ya existe.

[@Richard1A2B]

1.2% of all the beef consumed in the EU, hardly a threat to anyone. Thanks for the fact-filled report. After watching, I am now in favour of the deal.

[@jeffmorris5802]

That's what people said about NAFTA lol. Mercosur is the same type of deal - it will gut EU labor. Whether you're cool with that is up to you.

[@astree214]

And in a few years, 10%, then 35%, then 65%. It has always gone this way. And EU will become a slave to Mercosur, needing its hormone beef and chlorinated chickens for its food.

[@Horreff]

Actually, the beef we are talking about is a particular part of the animal which is hard and costly to produce. Mercosur rather represents 36% EU's production of this specific part, which is quite significative.

[@Richard1A2B]

​@jeffmorris5802 how wìt it "gut EU labour"?

[@1995pieter]

@@jeffmorris5802 what labour will it gut? seeing you spell it like a yank seems you just hate cause it takes influence away

[@Tolsanomics]

400 million citizens will spend less on groceries, enabling them to purchase other things and supporting the creation of more advanced jobs. The division of labor benefits everyone. However, some closed-minded French farmers resist change and are even willing to disrupt the country if necessary

[@lordkfc1297]

Sadly not just French, here in Spain there is a similar situation despite our country being one of the most benefited by the trade deal. As always people are selfish and will always prioritize their own gains above those of everyone else.

[@Alaryk111]

EU is hinderring creation of more advanced and more comm0etitive jobs due to it's fixation on free market and energy market regulations that leads to high energy prices.

[@Tolsanomics]

@@Alaryk111 yes, that is righ but compatible with my first comment

[@Alaryk111]

@@Tolsanomics still it makes EU dependent on foreign imports which is a bad thing in itself. It is also against the idea of food selfsufgiciency that was one of the reasons for which European free trade zone was created. If it was beneficial to get cheap agtlrocultural produce from abroad we could have been taking them from US since 1920'.

[@abarette_]

oh some close-minded French farmers care about getting paid and not eating garbage, how dare they? We need to stop european brainrot holy shit

[@cdp122887]

It’s surprising that Mercosur agreed with this in the first place. It looks disadvantageous to them.

[@apc9714]

Protectionism is part of what brought South America to its current state. The idea of development through import substitution doesnt work, it only gave rise to bad inefficient industries

[@filipebacelar766]

​@@apc9714lol ok just destroy the industry that have left and just export soy and beef

[@arr7582]

Brazil is controlled by agro oligarchs since imperial times, this country is a mess this deal benefits more the EU than us We send them food, they send us industrial products, its like a modern Methuen Treaty

[@beynar3087]

In Poland we almost do not eat beef because it is too expensive. We eat unhealthy pork sausages and bacon. Mercosur can be a blessing for many people.

[@danielcontenteromanzini817]

That is how I see, for EU’s population the deal can really alleviate the cost of living crisis and for Mercosul it is an access to cheaper cutting edge goods.

[@klatkaytfafik509]

i live in Poland and i eat beef everyday we good

[@beynar3087]

@@klatkaytfafik509 And you belong to 1% of polish population who eat beef everyday. 😂😂😂

[@alexwyler4570]

why would it be a blessing? it could be a blessing like immigration to Europe is a blessin.

[@colinsmith1288]

Polish beef is very good. I wish we could get it in the Uk.

[@ola_pa]

As a European consumer, I'm quite happy. Better quality and cheaper food. Also, new jobs.

[@artyxx8317]

You said better quality ?!!!!

[@ola_pa]

@artyxx8317 Yes, I did, I test it every week. Sud American fruit and meat are much more tasty than European products. It's quite logical as in Europe we have poor soil quality, no Sun, and animals stay indoors as in Argentina and Brazil they're in open air and move a lot!

[@harfang207]

As a French I’m fine with most stuff in that deal, yet 77% of ppl here reject it, I fear that passing it would make average voters feeling cheated on and see it as forced upon them, which would drive up ressentiment against the EU / cause the RN to gain a lot of votes for the 2027 elections

[@Uzishan]

It's worth rejecting it only to let the germs go down.. germany weakening is actually beneficial for France and Poland economically long term.. as Germany pretty much screwed all of eu for decades on a lot of things, especially energy security..

[@antoinertd7125]

As a French and pro-EU, I'm also very concerned with that deal for 3 reasons : - It may induce an unfair competition between EU and mercosur framers due to different regulations. It sounds ok but really isn't, as the farmers are already in dire situations across europe. A lot won't be albe to hold on. - Cheap imported products don't benefit much the consumer, as we observed in the last decades. Especially with quotas, the benefit will go to the big compagnies in the middle of the supply chains. Also, cheaper products, less regulated, that travelled accross a quarter of the world are really an improvement for us ? - As you said, such an unpopular decision will cause a massive anti-EU movement in France... it might in 5-ish years lead to a frexit. I love EU, I really don't want this to happen. I don't reject this agreement, but for something of that scale we should try to negociate and convince at least part of France. A country shouldn't have to be imposed laws that none of his parties supported.

[@joaosoares2570]

oh cry me a river... People from smaller countries like mine have always been forced into deals because we are smaller countries with less weight in the decision making process and probably many of them were in benefit of France but now you cant give in for something that will benefit the vast majority of Europeans. That's called ego centrism and greediness.

[@antoinertd7125]

@@joaosoares2570 Yes, on it's own it's not an argument, that's why I listed 3 before (also, this is a huge agreement; one like that happens every 20 years. Please cite me a similar situation where a country was imposed such an agreement with not any party in favour ?)

[@thecooletompie]

@@antoinertd7125 Farmers in Europe are doing fine, French farmers however not so much since they refuse to innovate and increase scale. At some point we have to move the the modern age and stop sending subsidy after subsidy to failing industries that refuse to innovate. I think over the last 2 years we have seen that cheap products matter a lot to european consumers with almost every government out of power since the spike in inflation. To you third point this is a collective failure on French politics that have always leaned into populist anti free trade arguments. We cannot afford weakening europe's economy to simply only serve French domestic interests.

[@SantinoIannuzzi]

In Argentina there are concerns about small industies aswell, because they'll have to compete with German factories. I'm still in favor though, both the EU and Mercosur will benefit from the agreement.

[@kianlakchi7182]

Indeed, the limits on how much can be imported make it so we in Europe can't be "flooded" like some farmers claim. This deal would likely favor the EU a little more than Mercosur but not by much.

[@Charlie43348]

@@kianlakchi7182 The EU is also the larger bloc and so would always suffer less and benefit slightly more than a smaller bloc - or else it wouldn't be willing to sign such an agreement.

[@XY-uc1tw]

its not a good deal for the EU. These Mercosur countries has very low product standards. The EU can not let their producers compete against low standards...

[@Charlie43348]

@XY-uc1tw this logic encourages the EU to sign trade deals with nobody - as nobody has equal standards to the EU beyond maybe Canada and Australia. That is not a growth mindset.

[@XY-uc1tw]

@@Charlie43348 It doesn't mean the EU should not sign the deal, but not in these conditions! It's like allowing a match with two boxers, one has gloves and other one has bare fist....

[@typingggg]

Im from South America and im against this deal, europe is a drama queen and it will have more influence to stop our development with this overreaction on enviroment.

[@Thats_quite_cool]

7:26 as a Dutchman I can tell you this is very much because of the policy aims of the BBB who rely on the backing of their mostly agricultural and rural voter base. While for the Netherlands overall this would be a great deal, especially considering Rotterdam’s importance in import and export, the agricultural lobby is very strong in the current government.

[@rovirapoulos]

I‘m from Spain, and I fully support this deal. The benefits are much higher than the cons. It can also be the start for future deals with Mercosur.

[@ottomaier8219]

Are your sure you are from Spain?? There's a huge CON there "fair competition"....The alarm bells should be ringing "as a espanol", or the farmers' protests are forgotten about this topic?? The cheap imports from North Africa that don't have to comply with the standards etc etc.. Not that this is another back door from Brussels that gives the Spanish farmers the rest....Spanish jamon can no longer afford (to produce) suddenly jamon comes from Brazil and Argentina..mmhh This "alleged" 1.7% is it permanent or just "temporary" (ulterior motive for signing the contract)?...And what standards are set?? etc..etc... Always read the small print!!

[@CarlH08]

Tell that to your local/spanish/european farmers. Spain is already suffering from high unemployment rate. You wouldnt want to take spanish farmers source of income wouldnt you?

[@paldavi2876]

Ye sure great deal . Plenty of good knows what injected into cattle etc . To this the EU tried to stop Brexit due to food standards. . : who's fooling who !!!?

[@rafaelrapaki]

@@ottomaier8219 Mercosur farmers don't even care about this agreement. Almost everything in Mercosur is sold to Asia. The world's top 3 commodities are soybeans, meat and iron. China alone buys 70% of its soybeans, 68% of its iron and 2.2 million tons of meat per year from Brazil. What we want with this agreement is to buy industrialized products from Europe without taxes. Do you have any idea what it's like to buy industrialized products in Brazil?

[@RamIIRA718]

@@CarlH08 you should take the unemployment rate in Spain with a pinch of salt. Although the rate looks quite high 11%, Spain has almost as many people working as Italy with almost 10 more million people. Yet, people working in the primary sector need to look for workers elsewhere in the world to fill these vacancies. Spaniards have unfortunately left the rural areas where farming was a part of their economy, that lead to the so called empty Spain. Indeed, because of the EU norms protecting France’s primary sector, many people abandoned this way of living back in the 80’s. Being open may hurt you every once in a while, however being closed to the world will at some point make you irrelevant and obsolete.

[@TheBerserk69]

Most of my relatives are farmers, for 30 years now they get serious subsidies and i mean serious, almost the same as the profit they make from the farming itself. These subsidies aim was investing in the new technologies which would make their farms not only more productive but also enviromentally friendly. Half of my relatives have done this and now not only they comply with EU but they sell their products globally. The other half just pocketed the money now they cry because they are not competitive.

[@Qnexus7]

This

[@voiceactorofdovakiin]

Interesting. Where is your family from?

[@elisagadea1601]

🇺🇾 here. In 2023 we exported 701.651 tons of meat. We are a cattle country. Regulations are strict, it's premium meat, not low quality. I think Europe is in trouble already... Blocking the deal seems stupid. I think that the european's union problem is that there's, ironically, no union. Countries trying to protect themselves individually, not thinking about the whole. We, latin americans, are survivors, (remember that part of the richness that Europe has was built thanks to our resources, since colonization), we'll keep prospering, in fact the deal goes 25 years in the making, so imagine. The point is, due to their geopolitical and economical situation, I think Europe needs this deal muuuuuch more than we do nowadays. Macron is not in his senses.

[@albevanhanoy]

The deal is already incredibly in favour of Europe. It would be stupidly unfair to ask more of the Mercosur countries!

[@imcbocian]

BS. Europe have no way to force Mercosour to obey same strict rules and laws of production like in EU. This is just crime against own farmers and manufacturers

[@albevanhanoy]

@@imcbocian Factually incorrect, all incoming goods still have to be checked for conformity with EU regulations. Also, Ratio

[@AndreVictorGoncalves]

​@@imcbocian this is fake news, all imported beef have to comply with Eu regulations

[@AndreVictorGoncalves]

@@imcbocian this is fake news

[@PedroPedro-k9p]

@@imcbocian Maybe just stop screwing EU farmers and rollback regulation.

[@matiasgazcon]

It is funny how when the economies of scale make industrial production in Europe cheaper than in South America, that's fair trade, but when it's the other way around then it is unfair. French people should learn that the freer the market, the richer the people.

[@ADLcorporation]

The richer the rich*

[@tuff9486]

​@ADLcorporation someone is gonna be rich. The freer the market the more the population is rich. The more closed it is, the more rich the politicians are

[@ADLcorporation]

@@tuff9486 I definitely need an explanation of your argument. In a free market, you need to export goods. And the companies that are best at export are the biggest since they can manage an international logistic chain. The smaller producers like local farmers, craftsmen, are only able to sell to the local, or to corporations that have the upper hand when negotiating prices. Sure, a lot of jobs are gonna be created through the logistics chain, but without proper political policies and strong worker protection act, you just end up like the states having stupidly high inequalities between the lower class and the educated one. This model has proven it is only good to destroy nature and workers to the profit of huge corporation. I don't call that a win tbh

[@DaviRenania]

@@ADLcorporation nah, richer the people.

[@St0rrrm]

Europe needs to have it own farming sector to remain sovereign and should not depend on foreign countries on the other side of the world.

[@pedrosantos7473]

The EU has been stagnant for years now. We've become too comfortable living as wage sl@ves and paying absurdly high taxes... We must embrace any opportunity we get to increase our market.

[@MyPrideFlag]

And then supply chains break and we starve cause we don't have local agriculture no more. BRILLIANT. If you want to lower costs of living them maybe we should stop overregulating everything and sacrifice our economy for climate religiom.

[@niaraa8378]

and will continu to be if we keep doing bullshit like this.

[@Dendarang]

It was a smart move from von der Leyen because it fully moves to the ball to the French court. So far, France has gotten away with technicality of the EU not finishing the agreement but now the cover is gone and France has to say 'non' to the deal out loud. As for the deal itself, I do, personally, believe that EU should be food and energy sufficient - as in EU should, as a goal, import 0% of energy (through combination of renewables and nuclear) and be able to feed its entire population only through domestic sources - but this deal doesn't seem bad to me and I do think its important that the EU continues to trade even as US and China are turning protectionist. EU and LatAm are very complementary and have no possible beef between each other so Latinos are just about our ideal partners.

[@Alexander-yb1zc]

France will reject it, anyone who decides to support it will be opening up attack lines for other parties in the inevitable elections in 2025

[@MyPrideFlag]

We want to be self sufficient with food but let's give our market to South American farmers where food production is WAY cheaper and end our own agriculture in the process. Do you hear yourself?

[@lordkfc1297]

@@MyPrideFlag Ahh yes because importing 1.2% of our annual beef consumption means we are giving our market away to Mercosur. I don't really think you understand the quotas given in the video.

[@ja_u]

0% imported energy but you want Nuclear? Interesting, where exactly would you get the fuel for those plants? France today buys those from Russia but of course we don’t talk about that much because it would show France‘s dependence on Russia

[@agme8045]

@@MyPrideFlag just say your dad owns a farm in Poland and shut up, y’all are path3th1c

[@snezhnayanpenguin4671]

In 20 years of negotiations, they couldn’t agree on enforcement mechanisms? What have they been doing?

[@infrared909]

The pro's heavy outweigh the cons on this. If Trump would indeed raise tarrifs against EU products we are even going to need it more. This is needed.

[@mrbad3036]

Free trade is the way to go, if Europe is to grow economically and be independent from the US.

[@louisd9013]

Easy to say that this is the way to go when you are not a poor farmer in province.

[@arielbatista7ify]

@@louisd9013 if the farmers cannot compete they need to do something else, that's the law of the free market

[@AndreVictorGoncalves]

​@@louisd9013I am sorry, but the farmers shouldn't hold the whole European continent as hostage.

[@louisd9013]

@AndreVictorGoncalves Look for my other commentary under the video.

[@aaabbb-zc7sx]

​@@arielbatista7ifyif germany cannot compete then they need to lower regulations or leave.we will not ruin OUR economy after everything we endures from germany's regulations just so they can get products for 20 cents less from south america

[@lipingrahman6648]

Shouldn’t the Europeans, as a environmentally conscious people, simply stop eating meat, dairy, sugar, coffee, etc. Beyond the minimum amount of calories needed it’s immoral to consume more. Europe should be strong and show the rest of the world the blessings of poverty.

[@pumpkineater31699]

Who cares about environment when people are starving lol, i rather destroy the world but eat meat

[@lipingrahman6648]

@ I think you missed my sarcasm

[@EvangelinoFranca]

It's easy to see these Europeans talking nonsense about the forests, because they have already destroyed them all. This veneer of colonialist civility disgusts me, Europe doesn't have to legislate anything about how Mercosur takes care of its forests.

[@gohanssj48]

I could haven't put this better

[@FarsightAE]

EU farmers already get massive subsidies from the EU and they constantly complain when EU tries to make things better for citizens. Farmers only ever look at their own tiny local bubble, EU looks at the whole.

[@ottomaier8219]

Mmmhh....Is this the same EU that submit regulations to the farmers and comply with standards (which the EU citizens have agreed to)...but the imported goods (e.g. North Africa) do not require the standards and are produced cheaper.... Why not a free trade with the USA and with they "chlorinated chickens" ahhh I don't think that sells so well..right?? It's also a win, right?? And what country doesn't subsidize their farmers?? Ehhh I can't think of one, it would be very "strange" in a modern society..mmhh (perhaps a mini Indogenes population or state state like the Vatican)

[@FarsightAE]

@ottomaier8219 Which imported north african goods are exempt from EU standards?

[@MyPrideFlag]

​@@FarsightAEAnd then a crisis comes, a war or a pandemic, the supply chains break and we all STARVE because our agriculture is dead. We can't compete with South America due to regulations, expensive workforce and poorer land. And what about social costs. Rural areas slowly dying? You western Europeans have been brainwashed. EU is rotten because of such policies and will collapse if you continue. This deal is as shortsighted as Nord Stream 2. Greed overcomes reason.

[@EdouardRoussez]

@@FarsightAE Outsourcing food production is a long-term strategic mistake. Subsidies are necessary to partially offset the unfair competition from massive 50,000-hectare farms in Mato Grosso, which operate on economies of scale we cannot match. Losing food sovereignty would leave Europe exposed to economic and political leverage in an increasingly volatile world. Meanwhile, the German car factories that this deal was meant to protect will likely shut down under Chinese competition, leaving Europe weaker on all fronts-food, industry, and resilience.

[@dusk6159]

@@EdouardRoussez Ironically because in Europe we still have countries refusing our own nuclear energy/industry and energy stability sources, and also getting dependent on eastern gas. Besides how we're treating our car industry. This is great for China, who tremendously needs buyers for their wind/sun machinery and electric car machinery.

[@ioan_jivan]

Seriously, during a time that sees a rise in import tariffs, this would be great.

[@bluesky2vinci]

this would be a disaster for climate, public health, politics and agriculture.

[@Marc_lux]

@bluesky2vinci no

[@bluesky2vinci]

@@Marc_lux 1. increase in carbon emissions for importing agricultural goods that can be produced in europe + greater deforestation in south america 2. Food safety regulations in south america don’t come close to those in europe, meaning those norms will become obsolete and people will end up eating very unhealthy stuff that they’re not used to, so expect a surge in cardiovascular diseases, cancer, etc… 3. European farmers will become uncompetitive as their products will be more expensive and will by the way still have to follow EU food regulations. 4. It will bring much more political instability in places already suffering from it do you even have any arguments?

[@Richard1A2B]

@bluesky2vinci people won't be eating very unhealthy food, our SPS rules still apply and we test food products.

[@bluesky2vinci]

@ 2/3 of the pesticides used in south american agriculture are banned in europe and there is a reason to that.

[@cavalex]

Yeah, it's completely illogical not to pass this agreement. I can't wait for January to see how screwed we are with Trump and the end of the war in Ukraine...

[@UCiWrMgES50tlUhV3l6NqjNA]

the war should have never begun, why provoke russia? ukrainians and americans are at fault for this whole shit. and once again, europeans gotta pay the price.

[@johnrodgers2018]

Considering I live in a large beef producing country, this isn't great for our farmers, but meat should be cheaper to buy as it is so expensive I tend to do without often as I can't afford it.

[@DeusVult77763]

That’s better for your long term health

[@Shell5370]

Beef is expensive if you include environmental impact

[@belthesheep3550]

@@DeusVult77763 Red meat consumption is highly correlated with testosterone levels and muscle mass. Both highly important for health. In particular for older people who begin to suffer from sarcopenia - they most of all need to eat more high quality animal proteins to avoid health issues.

[@MyPrideFlag]

Untill the deal ends, a crisis comes and we no longer have agriculture to feed our people. A very shortsighted move or rather another ploy from bankers and technocrats.

[@Guestus-n2j]

​@@DeusVult77763 It isn't. Meat and other animal produce are the most nutritionally efficient type of food.

[@slightlybored]

I've been hearing a lot that the EU agricultural regulations are much more strict than Mercosur's, but nobody seems to say what those differences are?

[@agme8045]

For real, Europeans keep repeating those BS arguments but they don’t even understand what they are talking about. All South American exports already need to comply with the EU standards and regulations, trade deal or not lol

[@loupbigault5894]

“In October, a European Commission audit found that Brazil, the world’s largest exporter of beef, cannot guarantee that its exports to the EU are free of the growth hormone “oestradiol 17-β,” which has been banned in Europe for decades.” “27% of the products used in Brazil in 2020 were banned in the EU. Chlorothalonil, a fungicide, was banned in the EU since 2019, and an insecticide like Novaluron was banned in 2012. These are just some examples.”

[@slightlybored]

@loupbigault5894 thank you

[@philguer4802]

3:39 So let me get this straight: being efficient is "unfair competition". The health regulation and even ecological regulation may be valid arguments, but how can we trust their assessmeent when they're so obviosuly biased toward their own interest?

[@MyPrideFlag]

@@philguer4802 European agriculture can't compete with South America even without overregulation. It's just the last nail in the coffin. We have poorer land and more expensive workforce. But we need food produced locally, so that we don't starve if a war or a pandemic comes. Is that so f*cking difficult to understand? That's why Europe was protectionist up to this point. But Germany has to prop up their export, that is more important than food security of the entire continent.

[@alexisbelfer7881]

@@MyPrideFlagfinally a smart guy commenting! Thanks a lot dude, you make me happy seeing some others smart minds.

[@danielnoronha5654]

@@alexisbelfer7881😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@agme8045]

⁠@@MyPrideFlag “we need to produce food locally, so that we don’t starve if a war or a pandemic comes” that’s exactly why the Mercosur is the best possible trade partner for Europe. The Mercosur is aligned in every sense with Europe. The EU was dependent on Ukrainian and Russian exports, and look at how that ended. South America is single-handedly the most peaceful and neutral region in the world. You have the chance right here to buy food, energy and mineral resources at VERY competitive prices from historical and reliable allies. Furthermore, Mercosur will also become very dependent on EU manufactures. So both parts will grow dependent on each other. Europeans talk as if we were getting the better end of the deal… well no, if anything we are the ones who are becoming more dependent on our primary industry, which, as we all know, is less productive and doesn’t exactly lead to development or wealth.

[@MyPrideFlag]

@@agme8045 Europe is not a monolith. It was a deal by Germans for Germans. Buying food at competetive prices will bankrupt our own farmers. We just can't compete with you on free market rules. We already had a taste of this with Ukraine. Someone says that SA beef is 1,2% of EU consuption. Well with tarriffs, it will obviously grow without them. Even if we were super friendly and politically alligned, I wouldn't want to be dependent on such a basic good as food to be shipped from the other side of the world. I wouldn't want to be dependant on the US either in that regard. Apart from security, farming is a way of life for millions of people in Europe. The land is owned by small families (one of the reason why we cannot compete). If agriculture dies, they lose their income and villages die out. There is definitely a great field for cooperation just not with agriculture I think. It's not a business calculation but a matter of security. Despite your good will, such long supply chains can be broken.

[@ffffffff936]

Yes. Let's make the deal

[@papakamirneron2514]

It’s also a matter of stability. Given France’s political instability Macron is right to think that accepting a deal even perceived as unfavourable to farmers, an influential political force, may backfire and cause France to withdraw from the EU in the future.

[@papakamirneron2514]

I am favourable to the deal but I think a compromise can be reached.

[@Alexander-yb1zc]

Exactly this. In 2025 France will inevitably have another round of parliamentary elections and anyone who backs this deal will be opening up attack lines for other parties to use.

[@chpsilva]

The UK now regrets giving too much weight to what their farmers said about "protecting our agriculture".

[@gracelandtoo6240]

Let the French farmers see how much leaving the EU will hurt their bottom line, if the example we made of the UK wasn't convincing enough. If your citizens vote for a Frexit, your education system and media have failed catastrophically.

[@ja_u]

What kind of argument is this? The same thing is happening in all other countries and apparently the group blocking this deal doesn’t even amount to 35% of the EU population. The same thing is true for Germany if the economic situation doesn’t improve and AfD keeps winning votes. And in the past it has been France that had their way in things Germany starkly opposed, e.g. in the shared covid debt. France can’t always get what’s most beneficial for them, that’s not how a union works

[@Masterlewger]

I think the deal is a very good idea, especially when we live in a period were the cost of living is keep rising. We must not depend on a single country ever again (Russia, China, US), instead I believe we must focus on 1) standing on our own legs and 2) cooperate with other economic blocs like the Marcosur. Marcosur itself may get inspired and become like the EU one day, after all the EU started as an economic bloc too.

[@MyPrideFlag]

We live in an period of uncertainty. Let's outsource our agriculture to South America and risk starvation of supply chains break. BRILLIANT.

[@gracelandtoo6240]

We're already not self-sufficient in agriculture (and it's really hard for fully industrialised economies with a big service sector in this globalized economy to be self-sufficient), or where do you think all our current agricultural imports go to?

[@rafaelrapaki]

@@MyPrideFlag Brazil has been importing food to China for decades. Last year, it imported 2.2 million tons of meat alone. If it weren't for Brazil, China would be starving today. Brazil has never interrupted the food distribution chain. It didn't matter what was happening in the world.

[@charlesl3847]

So you want to destroy us, european countries, to destroy our own farming industry and such ? I don't think you realize how bad this deal and the EU are for my country, France.

[@xhydrag0br203]

@@charlesl3847 what irony

[@TileBitan]

France acts like the biggest EU defender only when it suits them

[@St0rrrm]

France is getting screwed by the EU on Energy policy (forcing renewables, undermining nuclear and the unfair electricity market system), COVID recovery fund, Net contribution to the budget, courts stopping us from expelling illegals at the border and now Mercosur. The EU is a scourge that is fully controlled by the germans at this point.

[@upsill]

You mispelled Germany

[@niaraa8378]

we are' the second contributor so of course.

[@maxxie84]

I can see why you think that, but as a french citizen I think of myself to be a very ardent fighter for the EU, I am and will always first identify as European, and I truly believe in it's purpose. And I truly believe that my opposition to this deal is beneficial for the entire EU, and all its citizens, not just French farmers. I think one big issue in Europe is how much reliance everyone has felt comfortable with relying on the US for everything, but this is definitely neither safe nor healthy in any sort of relationship, and clearly not going to continue to be the situation in the coming years... With EU countries continuing to buy US weapons and continue to believe in the world that has now past, this is the danger. Also as I said before in this comment section, it does not make sene to pay someone for a service when you can do it yourself, it's plain lost money. International trade is great, and has been a major factor of the global peace we have seen in the last decades, but this is not a reason to impoverish our own countries (as regardless of who buys the food, the money is still leaving the EU, whereas if going to EU farmers, the money stays in and benefits the EU).

[@sotch2271]

The EU is a controversial topic im france, always been a 20 to 40% of people not agreeing with it even if most of the political class like it

[@Tn-yl3cm]

The French don't have to do anything to infuriate us

[@brucewayne6996]

As a Brazilian, I loved the fact that the French are crazy protectionists. In addition to screwing up the development of our industry, which cannot compete with Germany, this agreement would also give more power to the meat industry, which is the most predatory in the country. They don't even employ 10% of the country's workforce, but they want an agreement with Europe that only benefits them. The issue of regulation is nonsense, we have countless of them here, the price is cheaper due to scale, not due to the lack of regulation, European farmers only use this scarecrow of Brazil, to try to deregulate things in their own countries. The agreements with China are better.

[@freekingfreaking246]

Finalmente um brasileiro sano. Esse acordo é uma pá de cal no sonho da indústria nacional.

[@alexisbelfer7881]

You do have countless of them regulations but not nearly as much as we do in Europe. You would be shocked of how much we have here, most from any other parts of the world!

[@brucewayne6996]

@alexisbelfer7881 I honestly don't care, just block this horrible deal

[@varimatra2088]

Yea most deals whit China are way better then these because you are dealing whit a solid government instead of 27 whit some completely unstable like France

[@viniciusf2157]

@@alexisbelfer7881 Mercosur already exports to the EU following all the required standards, the farms are evaluated by the European Union itself which sends inspectors to check, Europeans seem to want an agreement in which they only win but with Trump elected you have few allies to choose from

[@luis-ie3de]

The fact that South America has lower costs and economies of scale means they have comparative advantages over you. Not that it is unfair competition. Also, some states in Brazil, uruguai, and parta pf argentina are very heavily regulated (and taxed!), but there are still tariffs to level ot out a bit.

[@GREYHARTT]

That's why we Brazilians want to be in the same side of china, the europeans only think about their own benefits.

[@AasaaL]

I'm Brazilian and the deal would not make deflorestation worse. Deflorestation is driven by other factors. I argue that with economic groth the government would have more power to fight deflorestation.

[@Cecil_Augus]

No one cares about big mining operations and resource extracting operations, the problem are trade deals!! This is a freaking JOKE! These woke arguments being thrown everywhere to justify policies which are essentially elitist and Anglo-Atlanticist.

[@Bultizar]

Accept the deal, while simultaneously get off the back of local farmers, by enabling them to stay competitive.

[@squirrel287]

europeans farmers are already supported a lot by the EU at this moment just rename EU farmers and trade deal union because for now it's 25% of our budget it was even worse before in 1980 it was 63.5% of the eu budget for farmers.

[@gubruikertje]

Are you saying we should subsidise farmers even more?

[@Bultizar]

Subsidies no. Release them of the birocratic mayhem that they need to tackle on a daily basis. Lessen the regulatory overhead in order to minimize the operational cost of production. Enable their access to market more directly and not through brokers and 3rd parties. Let end consumer buy directly from source.

[@johndoe-cd9vt]

We the french are 100% AGAINST that deal

[@Octavius145]

No nation will ever be 100% for or against anything. Too many people for only one opinion to exist.

[@filipefdcp]

People talk about regulations to justify the prices of Brazilian meat, but they don't know that you only need one worker for every 500-1000 heads of cattle. Labor is almost irrelevant in the price of meat. That in Brazil there is no winter, while in France they have to keep the cattle locked up and feeding on imported soy and corn (which also comes from Brazil). There isn't even space in Europe. European governments no longer have the money to finance the inefficiency of agriculture, and they pass the cost onto the population. A kilo of filet mignon costs less than 10 euros in Brazil, while on the streets of Paris they put fries inside the sandwich due to the lack of filling. It is in the families' interest to bring down prices, while a minority's interest is to profit from this inefficiency.

[@Thiagoz887]

I'm Brazilian, and honestly this agreement is good for us as much as it is for the Europeans. Whether they accept it or not doesn't matter. We will become a world power. And if Europeans continue to insist on their superiority complex, they will continue to move towards global isolation. As my German grandfather used to say, even when Europe is drowning in shit, it never lets go of its silverware.

[@GabrielSantos-rg2do]

A Europa não tem florestas porque ja destruiu todas. Não sei de onde eles tiraram a ideia que se importam mais com o meio ambiente do que nós sul-americanos que temos varias florestas e rios limpos.

[@timoth4529]

Idk why the Greens and left are so against this deal, the current prime minister of Brazil is commited to protecting the Amazon Rain forest, and with an agreement like this it would probably help his popularity. I feel like that makes sense.

[@EdouardRoussez]

@@timoth4529 fine, what about the next one?

[@timoth4529]

@@EdouardRoussez I think his policies might have a better chance of being maintained. In all honesty, if at some point there is a leader who doesnt really care about the protection of the forest. And would see short time profit as a higher priority. It would still be destryoed even if there wasnt a deal in the first place. Allthough I suppose one could make the argument that it would be destroyed faster, but we dont know that.

[@timoth4529]

I think the actual problem france and the netherlands have is that they are just scared to piss of the farmers, wich is honestly kind of understandable.

[@tillysaway]

brazil doesn't have a prime minister

[@pumpkineater31699]

Cuz left are generaly anti-civilization, they wan't low birth rate, high immigration, high taxes and regulations.

[@szymon.k00]

I laughed at the duck in PiS party logo

[@EUMadeSimple]

oops I didnt even notice. My bad.

[@Hildur-]

for those who don't know: the PiS leader's surname can be roughly translated as "duck"

[@szymon.k00]

@@EUMadeSimple no, leave it. Its great haha

[@alexandramacsim1422]

And meanwhile people in Easter Europe are struggling. Why can’t we make our own industries?

[@SickPrid3]

This deal benefits only Germany EU is screaming at it;s own farmers to stop producing meat and diary because it's bad for climate...then turns around and starts to import those from across the world absolute madness

[@augustiner3821]

this is why everybody spart from France wants to have it implemented?

[@ja_u]

1.2% of beef, interesting what you make of this number. Also, 70%-80% of all Europeans want this deal, it’s reversed, France will block it because it only is a political risk for France, not even economically

[@Almirante1741]

This deal benefits EVERYONE

[@sotch2271]

​​@@augustiner3821austria, poland, netherland, italy don’t want it too

[@constantine1545]

The farmers of Europe deserve to finally face some competition instead of undercutting third-world farmers due to their EU subsidies. New Zealand went completely laissez-faire with their farmers, removing all subsidies, and they now have the most successful agricultural industry in the world.

[@gabrielqueirozrocha]

Is non-sense blocking such historical deal. EU need more competitiveness, not more protecionism. As a brazilian-portuguese, it would be great have more european goods available on the shelves of our markets.

[@karo2090]

Then let Brazil abolish tariffs on European goods. 😂 Why doesn't he do it if you and the Brazilians want it?

[@gabrielqueirozrocha]

@@karo2090 Principle of reciprocity

[@zaydalaoui9397]

Then latin america should apply the same food standards. I don’t want bionic chickens in our stores

[@XY-uc1tw]

its not a good deal for the EU. These Mercosur countries has very low product standards. The EU can not let their producers compete against low standards...

[@gabrielqueirozrocha]

​@zaydalaoui9397 we aren't the US. Food regulation and enforcement are great here, and it would be enhanced by the agreement.

[@mikev751]

deforestation, like it or not, is not under EU sovereignty scope. Less regulation in South America is not a problem; the problem is EU's overregulation.

[@rufioh]

If you alienate the French, you risk fanning the flames of populism. Britain already did it and got Brexit. What the EU needs to do is show the people what it does for them and not let member states take credit, and not let member states blame the EU for their own local failings.

[@JMJfat]

Yeah, and if France leaves the EU and the US doesn't care about NATO, good luck to the rest to defend against Russia, we will ve safe under our nuclear umbrella with our protected farmers feeding us independantly 👍

[@ja_u]

This is not exclusive to France!? Germany gave in to French calls for shared COVID debt. Germany gave in for French calls for further tariffs on China. How is it that France can always push their opinion on all Europeans? 70%-80% of the EU population want this deal, there is no sensible argument against it apart from French egocentrism

[@JoeWilliams-bp5nm]

I find it weird : nationalism is bad when it's based in one nation. The same ideas, albeit in different people, produce European nationalism, which is good. France has every right to block it if it feels it will suffer while others gain. You don't want to do what the UK did and undercut and refuse support for your farmers who feed you.

[@rubiconprime1429]

The only concern I would have with the deal is the environmental damage, but wasn’t part of the negotiations to deal with the environment? Or am I misremembering things?

[@astree214]

There isn't a word about environment in this deal, because the german car industry has no interest in it.

[@chpsilva]

Environmental damage is just a pretext, the real issue here is good old protectionism to french farmers too used to be coddled by the government.

[@ja_u]

@@astree214 Nice try, that’s far from what’s relevant here. The problem is deforestation in Mercosur to account for increased demand for farming goods now shipped to the EU. Pollution from cars is far from an important aspect here

[@astree214]

@@ja_u I fully agree with you, you didn't understand what I said. Car companies don't bother about deforestation, don't bother about natives, dont bother about wild life, and don't bother about europeans food (health) if you prefer it said this way 😉

[@agme8045]

@@ja_uthat’s simply an excuse. The EU already forbids imports from deforested land. In other words, not a single South American product that comes from deforested land is allowed to be sold in the EU.

[@elr492]

It's remarkable that the It's EU that may block this deal and not MERCOSUR. Uruguay and Paraguay will be fine. But the Argentinean and Brazilian industry will be shattered. Even outside of manufactured goods, the quality of pretty much everything coming from Europe except beef and fruit is noticeably superior. I am talking almost everything, from cars and cooking equipment to pasta and olive oil. All Argentina and Brazil get are quotas on primary products, which is not an area of their economy that required boosting because of the low employment of these activities. The only way this works for them would be if the european factories were to decide to relocate to MERCOSUR, which seems unlikely in a massive scale.

[@jocta9666]

⁠the idea the South America is careless about environmental and health issues is pretty Eurocentric. We’re not unregulated barbarians, actually our agriculture is pretty hi-tech, it’s our best industry for a reason, at least in Brazil. Our products are cheaper because we have more land, tech and cheaper labor. Before you came with the deforestation stuff, our problem with that is not in the legitimate industry that gets exported, it’s some randos doing illegal stuff in the north (mining/logging specially) we have a hard time patrolling because it’s a lot of forest, it’s a lot of forest. We actually only use 8% of the land for agriculture, over 59% is forest, no country in Europe has that ratio im afraid. We can definitely do better tho, we need a lot of drones, satellites and lidar, security is pretty expansive.

[@mateabonyi299]

Until you can resolve that and not expand into the Amazon to make new settlements we will unfortunately for you remain skeptical about any promises you make when it comes to the environment

[@jocta9666]

@@mateabonyi299 did you read anything I wrote? Do You know that Brazil has less emissions per capta then any country in Europe except for Albania? We have the smallest carbon footprint in the g20. Our electric matrix has been 90% renewable for over 50 years. Basically we have been saving the environment you guys destroyed for decades now. This European moral grandstanding pisses me off. All data from the IEA btw, you can look it up and learn something

[@mateabonyi299]

@@jocta9666 1: have read your comment in full despite your belief 2:my comment is about the clear deforestation of the amazon which (i assume thats were you are from) your country has the largest portion of it in terms of land mass of all surounding south american nations in the region.The clear lack of enforcement of law, undermining the rights of natives in the region,illegal settlement in the amazon despite international bodies,countries and local instituions warning against it and your previous leaders disgusting track record during his tenure with the environment (aka bolsanaro).

[@ja_u]

Very true, Mercosur simply has land which Europe doesn’t that makes farming cheaper. Along with labor costs etc., this deal would be great for both and it might really fail bc of a few French Livestock Farmers.. crazy stuff

[@marcuscicero4372]

French forests cover 31% of continental France and 84% of the French overseas territories.

[@Hugodelmas1]

France has always been the EU's food producer, Europeans don't mind paying more for food made in Europe knowing that it doesn't deforest tropical forests, good try from South America but France will deny this deal forever

[@joaopedrodantas2147]

The deforestation problem is more like a European left wing narrative than the actual reality, In Brasil you can see in the map that the indigenous reserves in the agreeable area is respect, the major problem to the deforestation is not agriculture is the criminal organizations that use illegally the wood for exporting to develop countries in the black market. Also the mercury used in the rivers illegally by them to find gold. The major farms in Brasil are located in middle-west Brasil, this region is not part of the Amazon bioma is actually part of the Cerrado, is a tropical Savannah not a tropical rainforest. Also to be real we just have more than one million indigenous in the country (that don't include people in the North Region that have native South American phenotypes, and even if it had would not be much bigger than this, the average Brazilian have less than 10% of native South American DNA). This is less than 0.5% of the Brazilian population, not saying that they are not important just saying that they are not that much more relevant than kilombola people for example, klombola population is more than twice the size of the indigenous one, almost 3x, the Kilombos were African cities, small kingdoms and communities build African enslaved people during the colonial period in Brasil, they preserve their identity their language and traditions, they are all over the country and each one of them could be related to specific ethnic groups in Nigeria, Angola, Moçambique, Dr Kongo, Guiné Bissau, South Africa and the list go on...(Generally more related to Angolan Mbundu people because more than half of the Africans slaved to Brasil come from there, and this is historically one of the biggest and more powerful ethnic groups in Angola, many things the west correlated to Brasil come specific from there, Capoeira, Samba, Jongo, Feijoada, The habit of eating a lot of rice and beans, Canjica, pé de moleque, and the kilombo name and culture it self that comes from the Kimbundu language spoked by the Mbundu people and etc ). This two groups, indigenous and kilombolas need be preserve and respect, but they are the minority of the minority in the country, the agriculture not gonna impact than as much you think, we develop a agriculture model called Agroforestry system, we did it studying the Indigenous Amazonian agro technics, it is sustenable.

[@rafaelrapaki]

5:40 People's lack of information leaves me perplexed. Brazil alone is larger than all of Western Europe. Now explain to me, why would such a large region, with so much land, want indigenous lands? Since there is a lot of land left over. Another absurd thing is that the region with the largest cattle ranching in Brazil is the south of the country. This region is a biome called Pampa. It is a plain with no mountains and no forests, just vegetation. The Pampa region includes Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay. Just type Pampa into Google and you will see the area that this biome covers. Now explain to me, how can a region of plains, with no forests, deforest for cattle ranching? These arguments make no sense. 😂

[@VillaDish]

Great video! I really like the section of adding your opinion on it

[@EUMadeSimple]

Glad to hear it!

[@sullyvanhette6474]

I mean it would be such a great deal but what about the impact on the environment, deforestation, indegeneous people, and farmers. Like you can't possibly wave all this away just to make more money...

[@bgcvetan]

GET. IT. DONE! Eu needs what Mercosur offers, such as oil.

[@demonke7829]

No, this deal will crush European agriculture

[@finlaysharpe844]

@@bgcvetan The EU needs more green energy. Not more oil

[@bgcvetan]

@@finlaysharpe844 And how do you think, Solar Panels, Wind Turbine Blades and the batteries to store that energy are produced my boy? With Chinese coal, there is nothing green about it except it's toxicity when it has to be buried because it's oftenly unrecycleable. Nuclear is the clearest energy type, but because the Russians can't boil water and the Japanese build theirs in the middle of earthquick zones it has bad reputation. Right now the EU need any energy without the dictatorial attachment to it that gets from Ruzzia or the Arab world. Argentina can provide that, Guyana can provide that, if EU Army was a thing i guarantee you the socialist dictator Maduro wouldn't have threaten a invasion. Get youself back into reality mate.

[@bgcvetan]

@@demonke7829 I'm SICK of Agriculture this agriculture that, the farmers have been net negative of the EU economy as a whole for decades, i hate to be the one to call it out *since it's unpopular opinion* but their value isn't coming from productivity but from price gouging, not advancement, not efficientcy. Worst off they have been twisting many governments hands one example being the polish farmers, actively sabotaging Ukraine aid for the sake of their already full pockets.

[@verttikoo2052]

We 🇪🇺 don’t need more oil or gas. We have enough for the time being and when the green transition is done then we don’t need any. Green transition will be done ahead of the schedule.

[@banhymor300]

This is going to be a disaster for both South America and Europe.

[@R3d_C0n5ul]

We ll trade mercosur for nuclear energy listed as a source of clean energy :)

[@grafity1749]

So the environment losses twice...

[@R3d_C0n5ul]

@grafity1749 1 out of 2 is better than 2 out of 2 I believe. We could also have the mercosur on top of russian liquefied gas pushed by Germany instead of nuclear

[@FernandoVaquel]

The EU should be begging us to seal the deal. What good is it a car when you're starving?

[@alejsrz]

meat is so EXPENSIVE in Europe, OH PLEASE!

[@disagol]

Another vital issue not addressed here is the energy exports from Mercosur to EU as Argentina & Brazil will become a key producers of liquid gas and oil in the near future. That will diminish the influence of Russia gas to the EU and will eventually lower the prices of energy consumption in the EU.

[@jascrandom9855]

As a citizen of the Mercosur, i think we should di5ch the part about agricultural products and let it be just about Manufactured products. We need to build our Industrial sector much more than the agricultural sector.

[@rosshilton]

But you won’t build it if you are supplied by the EU…..

[@jascrandom9855]

@rosshilton We are a "Cheap Labor" market. We would be replacing China.

[@rosshilton]

@ Becoming a manufacturing nation requires three things: 1. VERY cheap energy. (The EU had this via Russia before the Ukraine war) 2. Raw minerals and the plant required to process them into minerals. Eg Iron ore and steelworks, bauxite and aluminium smelters. 3. educated workers and strong research sector. The USA has all three of the above, as has China.

[@jascrandom9855]

@rosshilton Are you saying Mercosur don't have that?

[@Schultz3]

@@rosshilton Mercosur has all three through Brazil and Argentina, both of which have these factors, even as standalone countries. You sound very uneducated on the subject you're trying to lecture on.

[@Eddies_Bra-att-ha-grejer]

Farmers make up maybe 1% or so of the population, while 100% of the population eats food.

[@frederik3326]

lets hope this passes, for an international community

[@Chemist2013]

France should follow the UK and get out of the EU. It’s not in their interest neither EU interest to remain in.

[@alvegutt42]

eu mercosur is the future

[@asdasdasddgdgdfgdg]

It absolutely is. Thankfully most people in both EU and MERCOSUR countries have realized this.

[@squirrel287]

@@asdasdasddgdgdfgdg why do you say it's the futur ? tbh this deal will have minimal impact on the EU.

[@louis-philippearnhem6959]

7:46 The EU-Mercosur agreement is considered a "mixed agreement," meaning it involves both EU and national competences. This means that certain parts of the agreement, particularly those related to shared competences like environmental protection and consumer rights, require the approval of both the EU institutions and the national parliaments of all 27 EU member states. Therefore, even if the European Parliament and the Council approve the agreement, it still needs to be ratified by the national parliaments of all EU member states before it can enter into force. This additional layer of scrutiny can significantly impact the timeline and potential outcome of the agreement.

[@naapsuvaimne740]

then it wont happen

[@NoidoDev]

Hmm 😮 Are you sure it doesn't get into effect or will it just be limited?

[@naapsuvaimne740]

@@NoidoDev we will see , every nation can stop it , i wanna see what Poland will do , i guess if they even accsept it same standards will be added because your food standard are lower then in the eu

[@NoidoDev]

@naapsuvaimne740 I looked into it. Such agreements are often "provisionally applied". Only some parts might take longer. It would be strange if CETA would still be blocked and never have been applied. According to Claude AI, this is not the case. With this agreement it might be the same. Maybe some countries could block some parts for a while, but it might even only apply to their own country.

[@naapsuvaimne740]

@@NoidoDev maybe overall you right no idea but 100% need to agree with it , most eu nation dosent need it , i think you are not correct , are yuo from eu?nation can block it ,why its strange that they can block it?farmers are against it everywhere , and if one nation blckit it could be game over or they will start to change it

[@JMJfat]

If Germany does not want France to block Mercosur they can start by stopping blocking the massive loans France wants the EU to make to invest in our common defense 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ja_u]

They already have for COVID. You get a finger and want the whole hand right away. But give nothing in return. It’s always France France France and Macron likes to talk about strategic autonomy only to now turn around and throw strategic autonomy in the trash for some French Farmers. Wow, makes sense

[@Mekhaman]

The deal is horrible for the development of Brazilian industry. I really hope it does not pass.

[@UCiWrMgES50tlUhV3l6NqjNA]

one problem with this is that south american countries farmers use toxic fertilizers and when the eu tries to ban the toxic fertilizers that come on their products, they circumvent this with new formulas that dont get blocked...at least in the eu the products we use are more controlled, in countries like brasil they have a lack of regulation to prevent that, so they might be exporting toxic food. if this is very well inspected and guaranteed safe, then I would be in favour of the deal too.

[@guilgao]

So the rest of the world agrees to consume toxic products from Brazil and only EU has high standards for this kind of thing? 😂😂

[@RenanGarciaBorges]

no worries, the world is already dead by those toxic products, after all everybody already eats Brazilian beef, but wait EU also ALREADY eats Brazilian beef and poultry, ooohh damm, so EU is already dead as well, sorry I am talking to a dead person.

[@entersandmanlml]

If France will be a problem, then Germany could just go to the old ways with them 😂

[@NormandyRelicsWW2]

Also we can see the old ways of world war 1 with Germany or Napoléon :)

[@ziaddakroub]

It is clear that if only the factors presented within this video are the ones to be taken into account, the the trade deal is very advantageous, but they are not. Here’s the thing: Germany, an agriculturally weak MS, is pushing very hard for the banning of GMOs and pesticides that have absolutely no impact on consumer health (they do impact Farmers, and they are aware of it and accept the risk for the sake of economic viability), and then want to open the European markets to farming products produced through these very same banned products and practices. This is plain and simple hypocrisy. I would be in favor pf accepting the deal in exchange of a loosening in pesticide and GMO regulations + additional aid to farmers through common debt, but with the deal as it is, the EU risks losing its agricultural and food sovereignty and that’s unacceptable.

[@RandomPostcards]

If it took 25 years to negotiate, what makes you think it will quickly pass now? The French do not want it, it will not pass. It is not a rational decision, it is based on emotions. So, forget about this trade deal, it is Dead on Arrival.

[@louiscavaille3882]

Everyday the average citizen have to deal with environmental policies (and this is good) but they are seens restrictives and people know that green policies are only a big deal here in europe, and that the other countries in the world (like mercosur countries) do not care. In the point of view of an average person in France the mercosur deal is seen as a counter sens: in a way our goverment inpose regulations, everyday our politics say that we should consume local because it's ecological, to support our industry, for the strategic autonomy etc and in the other way we make a deal that will make product as chikens who are produce hundreds of km away more competitive. The verage personne can't understant this. it's not a question of prices or what we can export there. People in france don't know why they would need this deal

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

You're not keeping up with international politics if you think Mercosur countries don't care about the environment. Brazil, except under the right-wing governments between 2016 and 2022, has always been a leading figure in UN and COP talks about environmental protection. We have strong regulations, we just struggle to enforce them in a country the size of Europe with less than a third of the population.

[@varimatra2088]

What are you smoking? In the EU, only 22% of your energy comes from renewable sources, while in Mercosur, it's around 70%. In nations like Uruguay, it's upwards of 93%. So no, the narrative that "The EU is the only one that cares about the environment" doesn’t is just that a narrative Now, let’s compare per capita emissions: the average French citizen produces 4.7 metric tons of CO₂, compared to just 2.4 metric tons in Brazil. But sure, the problem with the deal must be that France cares too much about nature... definitely.

[@jankopecky8227]

In line with what you said, to consider the benefits to the majority, we absolutely need to make sure that expanding trade doesn’t impact millions-years-old unique ecosystems. The fact that the proponents aren’t alarmed by the lack of enforceability of environmental protections is crazy. I thought the scientific community have made abundantly clear that destroying the planet for profit is for noone’s benefit.

[@markdickson3820]

The deal will go through, France hasn’t been able to put a blocking minority together. Personally think the worries about chicken and beef being flown to other side of planet are overblown but France’s dislike has always been more political and it’s one of the few things all political parties agree on. More importantly, this deal is fascinating because it really benefits particular countries far more than others in Europe. Because of ‘history’ both Spain and Portugal are well placed to have benefits and Germany’s industrial power allows it to benefit (sep discussion of if it’s a good idea for Germany to keep trying to rely on older industry for their economy). Von der Leyen may be playing with fire on this one tho, pushing it through when France is distracted and weakened. There again, Germany is also hugely frustrated and even talking about taking back trade according to politico, which questions the whole point of eu. Either way she annoys one of those, she’s made her choice and it will get pushed through from the look of it. I think she gave France the win on Chinese car subsidies that Germany didn’t want and now Germany gets this win. It fits in with her style, for a political junkie like me, I just find it fascinating to watch play out.

[@skinva]

France will just shut down borders

[@simqvisten]

How does Spain's and Portugal's colonial history in the region/cultural & linguistic ties benefit them in the trade deal? I don't see the connection economically. Maybe you could explain

[@markdickson3820]

@ you touched on it, with language and some cultural overlap. If you look at where immigrants from South America choose in Europe, Portugal and especially Spain, have a disproportionate amount which obviously links the two regions even more when those people start businesses etc. ING did a report on which countries in eu gain most from deal, Germany and France led list as usual due to size and Belgium does well too, but Spain is right up there and Portugal gains a lot compared to economies that are bigger, Google for report. The Into Europe channel recently did a video about immigration connections from s America to Iberian peninsula. There is nothing wrong with that, different regions have bigger connections with different countries in Europe even though all can potentially benefit. US trade office did a report on deal and according to it, despite all the cheerleading and worry by some countries/sectors this deal will add significantly less than 0.01% to overall gdp of most countries so the political side is more interesting to me at least. That could change if raw materials for future technologies help but that’s all theoretical so far

[@NoidoDev]

I hope so. That it won't be blocked.

[@agme8045]

@@simqvistenI’m not sure they would be disproportionately benefited… however, there are MANY Spanish service companies in Argentina. Some examples that come to mind are Telefonica (which basically has a monopoly in telecommunications in Argentina, and in Uruguay is only second to the local government company). All the largest and most important banks in Argentina are also Spanish-owned (Galicia, Santander and BBVA). There’s also the Spanish supermarket Dia. I think the potential of expansion is what’s most interesting for Spain, it’s easier to translate business models into similar markets. The cultural and linguistic barriers is just non-existent. That being said, Germany and France also have a HUGE presence in Mercosur, especially France. Carrefour is Brazil’s largest retailer, and the Brazilian market is the second most important to carrefour, only after France. Carrefour is also huge in Argentina. There are also 2 French-owned car manufacturing plants in Argentina, Renault and Chevrolet (and we only have 5 in total so that’s something lol). Over half of Argentinian imports from France are in the automotive and pharmaceutical sectors.

[@mattyman1241]

You can't mandate european farmers to follow stringent rules and regulation and have them compete with external markets that don't have those restrictions. It'll be up to the south american governments to regulate their farmers when they have a clear insentive not to. I'm all for forcing European farmers to step up and take their responsibility in regards to the climate harm they cause, but you have to create an bussiness environment where it's not financial suicide to do so. When shit hits the fan, food security is the most important thing there is. We have the luxury to neglect our farmers right now but I don't want us to end up in a situation where we can't and it's already too late to turn things around

[@fc7002]

It is absurd that the European Union does not approve this agreement. Latin America shares numerous values ​​with the European Union. These are rapidly developing countries. This union will allow us to have a future defined by Europe without strong North American influence. And, as consumers, we would have extremely quality products at very low prices. Not to mention the volume of jobs that will be created. Furthermore, environmental laws in Brazil, a giant country, are strict. Farms are technological, anyone knows that. The forest is practically untouched and larger than Western Europe. It makes no sense to block this strategic agreement for Europe to get back on its feet!

[@schoolaccount8576]

This deal is GOLDEN for the EU! It is important to consider the environmental and social impacts, but at the same time this deal may give the EU more leverage to pressure the South American states to implement harsher environmental and social protection.

[@RomMLT]

In France we already struggle to keep consommating french products, to be clear the cost are heavy because of the difference in reglementation (both ecological and economical for the products from countries outside of the EU). Mercosur will flood european market with cheap and unregulated algricultural goods that will not promote fair-competition. So for this one and for the long term interest of the european countries I am against it

[@beyondEV]

Guess we Swiss should then immediately shut down, "shopping-tourism" in France. If that deal included UNLIMITED free imports, yeah you would be correct. But like we allow "shopping-tourism" the deal only allows a small amount of duty-free agricultural products in. Mercosur seems more interested in a stable and dependent partner in the EU. That's why the are agreeable. And the EU would do well to diversify their trade.

[@Homelandz]

I respect your position but this is not entirely true: 1.2% of the total EU's beef consumption is hardly a flood. It would help the struggling working class by making beef more affordable, driving up demand, which would upset part of the impact on the local producers. Lower income families need a break after a couple years of high inflation (this is also true in the US), otherwise we risk them turning to dangerous populists for answers.

[@RenanGarciaBorges]

1.2% of imports is considered a flood! wow, I didnt know that french people considered this number high, sorry!

[@Ju88327]

Mercosur is strategic very good! 👍👍👍 I hope the EU will vote for this.

[@VillaDish]

Honestly, I think the Mercosur is a great step forward. It will definitely strengthen the EU. I worry tho about the lack of worry of climate issues in this deal, if we start normalizing these deals, what would be the point of the green deal (which we arent even sure about within the EU) if we just start making economic deals that do not care about climate change.

[@skinva]

This deal is awfull. Farmers in Brazil don't follow the same regulations as EU farmers and letting go our only thing we're independant in : food production to a foreign country is once again the worse idea imaginable.

[@alt1f4]

@skinva europe's destiny is to become dependent anyway, its too small and its population is getting to old, not enough natural resources, i could just go on and on but theres not point

[@ardi08]

Mercosur should.have imposed with EUDR too just like several Asian countries.

[@skinva]

@alt1f4 its not its destiny. Its out polotical ambitions. We are currently dependant because we keep bitching to have a kilo of tomato for 3 cents less. At the price of a whole industry that might very well be usefull tomorrow we never know. France is fighting to keep itself independant, we have our own famrs, energy sector, defense industry, culture, tourism, banking, etc...

[@JMJfat]

France leaving the EU in 5 years because the commission strongarmed them will NOT be good for the EU at all.

[@lionelyooooshi555]

Here, we are basically trading food for money. Do you eat money at lunch? France is long-sighted and Germany short-sighted with this deal.

[@ominci]

*Nenhum País é obrigado a entrar* mais para negociar Zero tarifa, precisa estar no grupo É simples o entendimento dos BRICS *A negociação é feita entre paizes com a propria moeda sem a necessidade do dolar e taxas cambias*

[@gabmachado]

If this agreement does not go ahead, Brazilians will have China and the United States to negotiate with. Which countries would Europe have as a second option to negotiate without this agreement? NONE. While the Americas and Asia accelerate, Europe will remain economically stagnant.

[@Alex-xh9wo]

I'm on the fence over the deal cos while it's pretty good for the EU (and angry French farmers shouldn't have so much clout anyway), the impact it'll have on deforestation and indigenous people's should've been minimised even if it meant weaker concessions for the EU

[@belthesheep3550]

Long term these indigenous people will become civilized if they're pushed out of disconnected jungle settlements and toward cities.

[@ana-8947]

​@@belthesheep3550 that's racist, they don't wanna leave the forests, it's what's make their culture alive!

[@JackDaniels-ee1fo]

Mexican here. This doesn’t affect us at all lol, but I’m hoping that promoting free trade across the globe and seeing the positive results will serve as an example to people like Trump who appear to be very tariff happy

[@Nconstruct]

Even as the son of a farmer I am for the deal, we cannot trust the USA, but south america we might be able too

[@Alfrisssss]

“The benefits outweigh the drawbacks” - I understand, yet the majority of the drawbacks you have presented will probably affect those living in mercosur countries rather than the EU. It’s giving “fast fashion”: if the product you want is unreasonably cheap, someone else is paying for this lower price. I agree with the rest of the arguments, or with the passing of the deal. I am just noticing this fact and I personally feel a bit disappointed.

[@GaryKennedy-g7p]

I don't get it - Mercosur can send lots of cheap commodities to the EU ..... but how does that make expensive manufactured goods from the EU affordable to Mercosur residents who clearly have less wealth ? I mean even Germans can't afford to buy German cars any more ? ....Europe is clearly naive .... a single market means that manufacturing will inevitably move to Brazil where its huge advantage in local raw materials iron, lithium etc and cheap labour will undercut EU factories with ease ... creating China 2.0 .....

[@joachimrod1426]

Nice to hear about MERCOSUR. In 1996 I spend 4 month with our embassy in Paraguay. Wrote some papers about EU - MERCOSUR subject😊

[@dejabu24]

Meloni said that the conditions to signed are not present and that Italy don’t agree with the agreement

[@robertrusiecki9033]

Well, let the Commission throw money at the farmers to buy enough support in the Council...

[@squirrel287]

@@robertrusiecki9033 as always it's eu institutions talk and we end up throwing money to farmers just for them to go into another crisis/strike every 3 years.

[@ja_u]

@@squirrel287 It’s obviously working for them, sadly