Eurasian Tree Sparrows in the States [NARRATED]

[@ArtbyArnel8291]

I love this birds we have so many of them here in Philippines ,they always stay inside our churches their chirping is so beautiful.

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

You must have lots of them because you're the third person from the Philippines to comment (and no one else from an Asian country has commented here). I agree with you about what beautiful birds they are. Enjoy!

[@dotsdot5608]

I went to Vietnam. they're also all over the place

[@sarahbelle7214]

I live in the saint louis, MO area and these are everywhere! I didnt know they were rare outside of here in the US, super cute bird!

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Oh, they are plentiful here! We had more of them last winter than of house sparrows.

[@judyarmstrong120]

The ETS has a trim beard while the house sparrow has a shabby bib...and a dull gray cap. Your adjectives give away your bias, not that you try to hide it. But all the birds get to eat the smorgasbord that your hubby provides. Your clever and informative narratives along with good footage about identification is always terrific. Thanks.

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Thank you, Judy. You know that "clever and informative narrative along with good footage" is just what I aim for. But I have to give birding author Pete Dunne the credit for the description you quoted. I rephrased what he said about the ETS. (Only borrow from the best is my motto, and he's the most vivid writer I know when it comes to birds.)

[@keikiokaaina1951]

Love this! We have these in our yard. A buddy from Texas made a trip up here and simply HAD to go visit them for his life-list!

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

I found this excerpt from a Missouri Conservationist article: In May, 1972, Dick Anderson, an expert St. Louis birder, received a phone cll from the Pentagon at his place of work. the caller explained that James Schlesinger, Secretary of Defense, and an avid birder, was in town on official business. They asked if Anderson, after work, might find a Eurasian Tree Sparrow for the Secretary to add to his life list. Anderson agreed, of course, and met Schlesinger, who flew in by helicopter, at a high school football field. The two shook hands and were chauffeured to a known ETS haunt. He and Schlesinger not only saw a Eurasian Tree Sparrow, but they lingered to watch the May migration of warblers. At dusk, before they parted company, Anderson asked the Secretary how often he was able to get out birding. Schlesinger answered, "Not often, but it does help maintain my sanity when I do."

[@stevecole101sc]

I just had one at my feeder here in NE south dakota I had to go to my sparrow book to find out what it was. Great video thanks!!!

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

I'm so surpised to learn that one has showed up in NE South Dakota.Treausre him. You're not likely to see another one.

[@BackyardBirdsUS]

Did you get a picture of it?

[@peonyflower]

These are the most common bird species found in Malaysia! They're like the pigeons of NYC, you can find them almost anywhere in the city and neighbourhoods, pecking around the ground for food in little groups.

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Yes, so I've heard. My husband went on a birding trip to Thailand, and that's what he tells me too.

[@bobvirag8450]

Very helpful, Jo. We finally saw Bluebirds at our backyard winter feeders for the first time this year. I quickly put up a bluebird house, but was dismayed when ETS settled in. Had they been House Sparrows, I would have dispatched them, but was uncertain about the ETS, so I let them be. Three fledglings later I now wondered if it would good to clean out their nest, but I was unsure...until viewing your video...if they intended to lay multiple broods throughout the summer, like our Mourning Doves. You cleared that up, so cleaning brush is now in hand.

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Well, I can't be sure that what happens at our house--the ETSes mostly departing after one brood--is what happens generally. Most songbirds have to raise two or three broods a year just to keep their species numbers stable, but I'm guessing that the ETSes we had in those boxes last year went to rural areas to raise the next brood. But even if they would have raised another brood at your house, I'd say it's fine if you cleaned the box out. I means, they can go elsewhere. And after all, it's Bluebirds you want to see. I get that!

[@CryptoAmyUSA]

Very interesting movie, Jo. I really like the facts about their migration and how they arrived here from Germany.

[@anjanbanerjee4818]

Nice upload.. Thanks for sharing. 138👍👍👍 Greetings 🍀🌺

[@dawnb9410]

Just found you. I'm binge watching your movies. I'm in the St. Louis area also. Started feeeding hummingbirds for the first time this spring, its been an awesome learning experience with these birds. They have different personalities. My grandkids are naming them 💜 Keep up the great work Mrs. Jo and stay safe 💜

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Now there’s a compliment that brightened my day. Thank you, Dawn. This summer I bought a camera that will record in super slow Mo, 960 frames per second. Eventually I’ll be putting up a movie showing hummingbirds fighting in super slomo, Using their beaks as shivs. Stay tuned!

[@dawnb9410]

@@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME That sounds like a great movie in the works. Can't wait for it. Quick question...when is a good, safe time to take down the feeders for winter? Keep shining Mrs. Jo! 💫

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

@@dawnb9410 The time to take down feeders will vary from location to location, Dawn.My husband leaves ours up through Thanksgiving for the sake of any stragglers, but he's hard core. How about when you haven't seen a hummer for a week?

[@dawnb9410]

@@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME 😊 Thank you 💜

[@chelseannbass]

Thanks you for this! We just spotted a pair here in St. Louis and we were shocked to find out they live here. What adorable birds!

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Yep. Cutie pies.

[@itstawmy2394]

found out about a tree sparrow family living in the trees in my garden here in scotland, been curious abt them ever since. thank u for this video jo

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

My pleasure. We're just about overrun with them in our yard--more of them than of House Sparrows.

[@WellaWally65]

We miss you so much! I hope you are doing well! God bless you!

[@tinashepard3607]

I just love them. I love in Saint Louis. I have so many of these. Today January 31st of 2022 I saw so many. However I had put out some new feathers and a hawk flew through my yard 3 or 4 times. I had so many different birds today it was insane. I had new birds I have never seen . Arriving in couples as well. It was truly overwhelming after a night 🌙 shift at mercy hospital. Even my 3 couples of jaybirds were intimidated and overwhelmed.

[@YvonneSebastian1980]

I love all things bird related.. but your narration.. is quite frankly .. perfect!! I would love to hear you read to children.. using a poetic license as you go.. thanks hun for sharing..☮️

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Then I’m a 10?! Time to bust my buttons over a compliment like that. Thank you, Yvonne. (And right on with the peace sign!)

[@MHarenArt]

Hello Jo! I didn't know that Sparrows were considered a nuisance. I always thought they were just little cuties! So glad to see a new post from you! Hope you are doing well!

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

As far as I know, Maggie, only house sparrows are considered a nuisance. The rest of them are indeed little cuties.

[@MHarenArt]

@@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME Oh, yes, I did understand that but was not clear in my remark. Thanks Jo.

[@Forsaken.All3]

As a kid i was trying to catch that type of bird in the Philippines and i was like: please don't see me

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Haha. As a videographer, I'm all too familiar with that 'please don't see me' wish. Or at least I think, 'please don't mind me'.

[@jeannineroche5669]

Great video Jo loved it as always! Very informative too did not know much about the Eurasian Sparrow. Like you I see a few around here as well and yes the House Sparrow is a pain in the bucket. Looking forward to your next video and I hope that you are feeling better these days, hon. God bless you always.

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Hi, Jeannine. Good to hear from you. I've been filming bluebirds a half hour's drive from here (we don't get them). The woman who lives there got a video clip of a House Sparrow sitting on the bluebird house. The male darted out of the house and drove the sparrow off. That bluebird would agree with you in spades!

[@jeannineroche5669]

@@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME hey Jo☺ I'm glad you got to see some bluebirds I love them! When I lived in Argyle Missouri sometime ago it's a little country Town two and a half hours from here towards Jeff City 162 people live there I loved it LOL. but my health got bad and I had to move back to my children in the city anyway that's another story. We had bluebirds like crazy out there I had six bluebird houses on the fence posts and I used to love to watch the bluebirds they were so pretty and yes the sparrows would always try to intrude into their home and got a rude awakening when the bluebird made him or herself known. I miss them I really do being in the city now but I have wonderful memories of a lot of country birds that I miss seeing. Thanks for answering me back hun and I'm glad you got to go out and see some wonderful birds ☺ please take care of yourself and I always await the next video!

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

@@jeannineroche5669 There's that age thing again, this time affecting you. I've been meaning to get busy and see if I can find a way to make the birthdays start going in the other direction. 😉

[@jeannineroche5669]

@@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME lol Jo! If you can figure out a way to do that please please let me know I've been trying to figure that out myself for years 😅

[@tinashepard3607]

For the 1st time I had I believe a northern flicker couple. I had a couple that were mockingbirds. I've always had the red bellied woodpeckers. Same couple always. Today seems like there was a message on text that birds from all over came from caves. Haha. I have bought new feeders and new food. This morning just happened to be the magic day with the warm weather. I couldn't hardly keep enough fresh water out for all the birds drinking at the same time.

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

We're currently socked in by a snowstorm. Since you are too, you're probably REALLY overwhelmed with bird traffic.

[@muzili1982]

Thanks for your video! I'm from China, but I don't know this history! And I just search the news and knew it. Our ancestors focused on the development of crops, they killed 36571 sparrows at that time, so that protect the crops. It is rare to see sparrows now because most crops are now irrigated with pesticides, and now the house of cities and rural areas are built with bricks and cement. I can vaguely remember that when I was young, about 15 years ago, I could still see them on the thatched houses in the country.

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

So the sparrows have not recovered from Mao's campaign? I didn't know that. Thank you for describing the situation today.

[@muzili1982]

@@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME In fact, in1958, after most sparrows were artificially extinct, Mao discovered the benefits of sparrows. Without sparrows, agricultural products would be eaten by other insects, so sparrows were classified as ordinary birds at the time, and they no longer need to be killed.

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

@@muzili1982 My husband reminded me that when he was Thailand in 2014, he saw the ETS everywhere in Bangkok but seldom in the countryside. So he was wondering whether you are an urban dweller or whether you live in a rural area. In other words, has this bird disappeared everywhere in China or just in the countryside or the cities?

[@muzili1982]

@@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME When I was a child, I lived in a rural area in the north and there were a lot of sparrows. At that time, there were still people who would eat sparrows. Now I work in a southern city and I have almost never seen sparrows. I checked some information and some netizens leaves comments in March this year. It says he/she met sparrows in the countryside. As far as I know, they are disappeared in the cities. Because in the city there have some reasons cause the birds cannot live: 1. Pesticides, it makes sparrow poisoning. Also, make the young birds short of food. 2. The environment changes and it is difficult to make a nest.

[@dotsdot5608]

you prolly don't know it cause your gov't might be trying to hide their mistakes under the rug. it's to be expected from an authoritarian country. censor this and quash that; to the detriment of the people's rights, freedom and general well being. 😔

[@ceudavid7063]

Thank you so much for the video. @Jo Alwood So many things to learn.

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Ain't that the truth?! Every time I make a movie, I learn a ton. Keeps my brain from going soggy.

[@GunnyKeith]

Thanks for sharing sister

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

My pleasure, Keith.

[@LinRuiEn]

Just found this channel, and I absolutely love it. Educational, and soothing. Thank you!

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Thank you for that compliment! I have nearly 300 movies up, so that should be enough to keep you entertained for a while. And I’m working on a 15 minute movie of dragonflies in super slow motion.

[@quote_nature]

Glad to see this film Jo. I was just in your neck of the woods and the ETS are still nesting in a neighbor's backyard. Love watching and learning about these sparrows as St. Louis is the only place I've seen them. They were in protection mode when I was there. Guarding the nest with the occasional scuffle as you mention but not able to see the young before I left. Thanks for the great images and information as always. Best regards, Cathy

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Oh, you should have contacted me while you were here! I would have LOVED to meet you, Cathy. Well you got to see the ETS while you were here. That's the most important thing. Thanks for your praise of the video.

[@quote_nature]

Thank you Jo, same here. A family visit, hopefully next time under better conditions.

[@throwawaygmail860]

your videos always brighten up my day! thanks for the awesome clips and facts :)

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

I love the idea of brightening up someone else's day with a video. Thanks for commenting.

[@willschep2784]

Nice video ! I have them both in my garden in Amsterdam...

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Oh yeah? Are the House Sparrows as despised in the Netherlands as they are here? And don't you just love those jazzy little ETSes?

[@willschep2784]

No, Jo, eevrybody loves them. It is a nice, cheerful species and it is a pleasure to have them in my garden. House breed under the roof tiles, Tree Sparrows only visit in wintertime.

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

@@willschep2784 that's interesting, Will, very interesting. Maybe your European birds know how to keep the House Sparrow in line?

[@kotarojujo2737]

Most common bird in Indonesia and pretty much throughout SE asia

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Yes, I have read that. And when my husband went on a birdwatching tour in Indonesia, nine years ago, that was the bird, he saw the most.

[@terrilynn27allen88]

I'm a new subscriber and have been watching a lot of your videos. They are amazing and brightens up a day. Thank you.

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

I’m sorry to have been so slow to get back to you, Terrilyn. We’ve been without Internet the last two days. But I enjoyed all your comments because it’s such a pleasure for me to see that someone is happy to have found my channel and is browsing on it widely. Thanks for commenting.

[@terrilynn27allen88]

@@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME no worries. Glad you have your internet back. You're welcome. Can't wait to watch more of your videos.

[@dio8628]

My favorite bird😊

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

I understand. They're easy to see and pretty. I like their little cheek spots.

[@vellenww]

Another informative beautiful experience. I'm wondering if you add any chemicals to your pondless stream to keep the algae in check? Thank you.

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

No chemicals on the stream, Ellen. My husband just turned the stream off once in a while and leaves it that way for a couple of days so the algae will dry out. Of course he can afford to do it that way because we have two of those streams, so one of them is always running. But you could always use a simple birdbath for a couple of days.

[@vellenww]

@@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME thank you. I'll do that!

[@catholicfemininity2126]

Bring more eurasia tree sparrows to USA

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

I couldn’t agree more.

[@rock3times]

Trump will disagree with you... Too many Asians in the US already . Bring in more white birds than brown kinds .😊😊😊

[@murzua5]

Hi Jo is there a good time to stop feeding birds? I keep putting out seeds until all the fledglings are big enough but is that good enough?

[@natemullen5868]

Feed all year around:)

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

I asked my husband about your question, since he's the one who feeds the birds. He said that, for the most part, the birds don't need our help really (except in extreme weather--see Helping Birds Survive a Cold Snap). It's most often just a way to get the birds to come around and come close enough for us to watch them. By this time of the year, there are some seeds and lots of bugs, so they'll be fine anytime you choose to stop.

[@maryb6672]

IMO, that’s a good plan. During the summer there are lots of food options for birds. Even the fall in most areas provides plenty of food sources (Some plants/trees/vines/flowers etc bloom in early fall). My personal exp is that supplemental food is most needed during the winter (for those that don’t migrate) & late spring/early summer when they’re desperately trying to feed all the little mouths.

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

@@maryb6672 All true, in our experience as well, Mary.

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

@@maryb6672 👍

[@wintermoonomen]

Never realized House Sparrows could be such bullies. Never realized ETS can be such sissies. And when you mess with the balance of nature, she comes back to bite you in the tail feathers! As always I enjoyed your video!

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Oh yes, House Sparrows are cavity nesters, and they've gotta be bossy to get nesting sites. This last summer I filmed a Cliff Swallow trying to leave its adobe nest under a bridge. It had trouble getting out because a House sparrow was in there hanging onto the swallow's tail with its beak. Poor homeless swallow. Next spring, I guess I'll do a short about the incident.

[@wintermoonomen]

@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME with much inspiration from you I've considered starting a KZbin channel of short videos and calling it West Coast Stuff (through the eyes of a not so common native west coaster)

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

@@wintermoonomen Interesting. You mean to say that you might be my new competition? It's an addictive hobby. And a time-consuming one. Are you retired? If not, would you limit yourself to shorts? You do have the gift of metaphor, and I can understand you wanting to put that to use.

[@wintermoonomen]

@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME never competition. I originally wanted to do one of those sound relaxing channels but with a twist. For example have a nice pond with relaxing water sound but maybe at about the 3 hour mark have the creature from the black lagoon pop it's head out , look around and go back into the water. Other scenes would be realistic such as a freeway. When I stayed with friends in Bakersfield in the 80's it was so damn quiet I couldn't sleep. Anyhow I thought I'd do shorts of odd and weird cool things out here. Not retired. I currently work from home doing remote work for businesses.

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

@@wintermoonomen You've posted some nice short bits on Facebook. If you put your mind to it, I don't see why you couldn't post some entertaining shorts. And since you're probably 20 years or more younger than I am, you are likely to be tech savvy enough to manage it. I work on Apple products only. That way I get their Tech Support and invaluable for me.

[@jakehira9496]

Hi Jo, I love your videos and hope you are doing well :)

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Hi, Jake. Thanks for commenting. It’s always nice to hear from someone who enjoys my videos. I’ve been busy filming hummingbirds and dragonflies in super slow motion, and I am excited about the movies I’ll be able to produce from that footage.

[@jakehira9496]

@@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME Wow! That sounds amazing! I really look forward to watching it. I hope you have a great day :)

[@nesthollow5159]

The Eurasian tree sparrow k1lls adult bluebirds too. They just havent gotten the reputation like the house sparrow because we have such little data. Ive been watching this bird for years in the States and have gotten footage of one attacking a bluebird

[@nesthollow5159]

Ps. Did not know you were in StL until this. I'm nearish that area. No wonder we both see these guys. But they are definitely aggressive .

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

@@nesthollow5159 I appreciate your input. We don't get bluebirds here in Ferguson, so I haven't had a chance to see what you're talking about. We have bird houses in the woods that they regularly occupy, but we haven't seen them fighting over possession. We do get tired, though, of how many of them there are and how much birdseed they consume.

[@dazzling-dawn]

日本のSparrowsは減ってます。 悲しいです。

[@teresav3821]

Could you tell me what to feed 2 grackles I found yesterday? I soaked dog food for them. Do they eat fruit.There 2 days old I think.

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Live mealworms? Or even dried mealworms? I have no experience with this. Your best bet would be to call a bird rehab facility and ask their advice.

[@TomAHawk-lb8wk]

Fussbudget!!!

[@Ferdinand..]

There are house sparrows as well. Do they live together ?

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

The House Sparrows and Eurasian Tree Sparrows coexist peacefully.

[@Ferdinand..]

@@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME Okay, I didn't know this. Thanks for sharing the information.

[@rock3times]

There are reported hybrids between the two...!!

[@HighVerbal]

How do the ETS and HS get along ? . . If the two met up and there was some sort of dispute , food , territory or something.. and they squared off , WHO should I put my money on in a fight ?

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Just a guess: the House Sparrow.

[@HighVerbal]

@@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME I'd make the same guess , especially if the fight takes place on the House Sparrow's home turf... ... still thinking about what I saw in my backyard several weeks back > many days in a row viewing the male Cardinals in fierce aerial combat , vying for mates/territory .. They seem to lose their fear of humans when they are fighting , and would light on the ground very near my feet where I sat on a bench

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

@@HighVerbal Oh, I know exactly what you mean, Tom: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3O9c5WggbCVg5Y

[@HighVerbal]

@@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME ......... MOST Excellent ! .. yesh , I've seen similar to what you recorded there ... The male cardinals here seem to call a Truce every now and then .. not owning up that either of them won , just to take a break and rest , catch their wind ~~~~ ~ and then resume fighting .. I had one male cardinal , after an extended battle - and he HAD to be winded at that point - dive into the inside of a small azalea bush 3 feet away from me , and he was looking straight at me the whole time , and giving me the impression he was saying : "Don't tell him where I am . . " .. and I did NOT give away his position ... nOpe

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

@@HighVerbal Co-conspirators, the two of you, eh? That was a fun story.

[@TomAHawk-lb8wk]

Why do you stop feeding during the warm months?

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

There's so much more food available to the birds then, but if you like to keep them coming close to your house where you can see them, go for it. Your feeders probably get less traffic in the summer. For one thing, some birds prefer bugs and when those are available, your feeders won't look enticing to them.

[@TomAHawk-lb8wk]

@@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME thanks Jo!

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

@@TomAHawk-lb8wk You're welcome ... Mr. Hawk. 😉

[@ningning7219]

When you walk in Philippine street u will see a lot of them

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

It’s nice to have someone who lives in Asia confirm what I’ve read. Thanks for commenting.

[@ningning7219]

@@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME ur welcome

[@syrilwayne]

@@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME i too live in the philippines, there's too many of them. There are others too like doves but not as many as these ones.

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

@@syrilwayne As I said to the other Philippine commenter, it's nice to have what I've read but not seen for myself confirmed.

[@mrpeddlethesealion]

I want orioles and rose-breasted grosbeaks and white crowned and mourning doves Here in Europe We gived many birds to Americans its time for Americans to return us the favor to europeans

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

I guess we could spare you a few. Mourning Doves are especially common. But we'd only go for the deal if you'd take back the Starlings and House Sparrows you gave us!

[@mrpeddlethesealion]

@@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME ok good deal

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

@@mrpeddlethesealion YOU FIRST!

[@Shyzeditzz]

thats tree sparrow and umm its common for philipines cost us filipinos see alot there alot of tree sprow at philipines and it not famous

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

Yes, another person from the Philippines recently commented that there are many Eurasian tree sparrows there.

[@spaghettieddie6323]

Destroy all house sparrows replace them with ETS at least

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

I'd be in favor of it, but, you know, lotsa luck with that. 🥴

[@tillman40]

That’s what communists do….

[@JoAlwoodBIRDSANDTHENSOME]

I think Mao truly was trying to help his people. His motives were good, but his plan was so misguided. It was a doozy of a miscalculation.